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Achies for legendary trinkets: wvw a breeze, pvp a nightmare

evlover.6270evlover.6270 Member ✭✭
edited February 23, 2021 in PVP

Can I just point out how huge the difference between the two modes is and how much salt the pvp achies will cause?
120 ranked wins + 20 tournament wins vs 100 kills and 100 objective caps.. like.. aren't the two supposed to be equally hard to obtain?

In Wvw, 100 kills and 100 caps just means: tag along with a commander for 1 evening and you'll probably have all of it. That's something you expect to do for an exo skin or something, not for a legendary trinket.

In Pvp on the other hand, 120 ranked wins means quite some time invested and doesn't cause any trouble since you just stick to the matchmaking. That seems about the only achievement that's more or less on point for a legendary. The 20 tournament wins however, seem like a desperate attempt to make people do tournament. Which is a really bad way to handle things and will only cause for a lot of raging and salt. Low skilled people won't be able to get their wins, and highly skilled teams will only get more free wins and unneccesary games that won't grant them any fun.

To me it just doesn't really seem like the impact of the needed tournament wins was considered properly, just as the very little time people will need for the wvw achies, kinda legendary-unworthy.

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  • I totally agree here. As a mediocre pvp player that is trying to improve, not sure jumping in tournaments will bring any benefit.(other than make people who try hard angry or just easy wins for the lucky ones ^^ )

    I see they want to get more people into tournaments, but on top aren't they a bit time-gated too ? I only ever did play once, but i didn't feel like i was up to par really to keep going. Hope that achievement is not really needed or changed.

  • Kunzaito.8169Kunzaito.8169 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    Where do you even see the achievements? They're not under the Legendary Trinket collections...

    And based on what you listed, yeah, PvP one is a nonstarter. You have to:

    1. Be available at one of the tournament start times (I am not, they don't coincide with my game time)
    2. Also have 4 other players who want to do the tournament and are available at one of the start times (exponentially compounding the challenge in #1)
    3. Basically be willing to sit around for 2 hours waiting for your matches (as I understand how the Swiss format has been going)
    4. Hope that you manage not to catch a dedicated PvP team and are able to get a win.
    5. Do this 20 times

    No. Just no. Complete nonstarter for I'd guess almost all players who aren't already into the tournament scene as their primary enjoyment in GW2.

  • Adzekul.3104Adzekul.3104 Member ✭✭✭

    The disparity here looks like a massive mistake, if it is as we believe it to be. Can you imagine the level of botting / account trading / cheating this will encourage in PvP?

    This idea is horribly bad. Please tell us this is a simple misunderstanding.

    Also horribly bad is making the new story for 5 people, rather than just 1. I hope this is just a misunderstanding.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What are the achievements called?

    So far, Icebrood Saga weapon collections cost 3845 Gold to craft!
    *Does not include Volcanic Stormcaller set, Runic Armor, or Icebrood Infusion.

  • Limodriver.4106Limodriver.4106 Member ✭✭✭

    should be like WvW kill 100 take 100 objects

  • Sylanna.1947Sylanna.1947 Member ✭✭✭

    they're in the normal Competitive > PvP Conqueror section.

  • Blockhead Magee.3092Blockhead Magee.3092 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anet must be anxious to get people into tournaments. Its probably less populated than raids (just an observational guess). I suspect their will be some grinding for the next few months and it'll be back to the same dozen teams that frequent tournaments.

  • Rukia.4802Rukia.4802 Member ✭✭✭

    120 rank wins is easy af, but the tournaments lol oh god, tournaments are dead so they have to push them on us, that is NOT going to be fun especially with swiss.

    NA server
    Fix hide party/squad nameplates
    Add particle effect slider/ability to turn friendly player effects off
    GW1 pvp rolling in its grave

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Tournaments ... would be equivalent to asking a weak WvW server (back in the days when servers like Underworld weren't linked to stronger servers) to hold Stonemist for a day without it getting taken away - in a matchup with other top tier servers.

    Tournament in PvP are afaik only something top level players can get. (Don't think there is enoug population to go in with a lower ranked tier and play amongst the same level - with team matchmaking matching teams of similar strength ... they might just encounter platin ranked enemies as bronze players lol.)

    Now ... legendaries are something not everyone should be able to get. Then again: For PvE it is just possible for everyone and the only "hard" thing is the amount of time it takes. (And yeah ... normal ranked wins are easy in PvP ... just takes time.)

  • Limodriver.4106Limodriver.4106 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020
  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ......thats facepalm worthy...

  • The effects are just ugly, sorry Anet but there is no other words to describe it. I was really excited about the two finals pieces of the set but now that I saw the effect I'm very disappointing and sad...

    What was the point with the beautiful and evolutive Aurora/Vision/Coalescence and these two ones ? Is that a part of the whole set or they are two different set of legendary trinkets ?

    And please the obtension, this is madness. Please do something better with the Aurora/Vision/Coalescence set. Please !!!

  • Sylanna.1947Sylanna.1947 Member ✭✭✭

    My desire to make these went from 100 to 0 in a flash once I actually saw them.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    So when we have all 5 trinkets some day, there are 5 ugly disco balls flying around us.

    Just great!

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2020

    So they have nothing to do with the PvE and Raid trinkets in terms of a set. Good, the rest of us can wait until they add an Amulet and Ring to PvE to upgrade the ugly 3 trinket combo we have now. 1 and 2 look fine but then that black stuff floating overhead waiting to pop and dump on you like a septic tank is something I want to upgrade past in a second.

    So far, Icebrood Saga weapon collections cost 3845 Gold to craft!
    *Does not include Volcanic Stormcaller set, Runic Armor, or Icebrood Infusion.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    At first I thought these were going to be challenging.

    Then I saw their effects and I stopped caring.

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    What are the achievements called?

    Just search for Emblem in the achievement panel. That will show all 4.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well, go and compare the rewards you get from 120 ranked wins + 20 tournament wins in PvP and 1000 kills and 500 captured objectives in WvW and realize that you have nothing to complain about.

  • Magnus Godrik.5841Magnus Godrik.5841 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well i was thinking about jumping back in after a 5 month hiatus to get me some legendary. But after seeing the requirements online i figure nope. I always hated this forceful play. Here's a thought how about make 3 different sets of legendary trinkets for the 3 modes of play. kitten pvp, kitten wvw and as a matter of fact kitten you for trying me with this moldy, stale, and stinky carrot.

  • Patty.3268Patty.3268 Member ✭✭✭

    But is it really tournament wins or is it tournament match wins? Winning 20 Tournaments would be much harder than "just" 20 matches in tournaments. Has someone already partipated in a tournament?

  • @Patty.3268 said:
    But is it really tournament wins or is it tournament match wins? Winning 20 Tournaments would be much harder than "just" 20 matches in tournaments. Has someone already partipated in a tournament?

    You just have to win a match, but getting a "bye" doesn't count for one.

  • @Patty.3268 said:
    But is it really tournament wins or is it tournament match wins? Winning 20 Tournaments would be much harder than "just" 20 matches in tournaments. Has someone already partipated in a tournament?

    Matches, but that's already very luck based since you need to hope not to draw a dedicated pvp team while you're probably just pugging a team on lfg. Complete tournament wins would've been impossible for pretty much everyone who's not in a dedicated team (and would encourage wintrading even more). So at least they left a small ray of light to get it if you think you can get lucky with pugs 20 times but expect to have to participate in well over 40 tournaments to get it since the chances on even just winning the first match will be way below 50%.

  • vyncius.6105vyncius.6105 Member ✭✭✭

    @evlover.6270 said:

    @Patty.3268 said:
    But is it really tournament wins or is it tournament match wins? Winning 20 Tournaments would be much harder than "just" 20 matches in tournaments. Has someone already partipated in a tournament?

    Matches, but that's already very luck based since you need to hope not to draw a dedicated pvp team while you're probably just pugging a team on lfg. Complete tournament wins would've been impossible for pretty much everyone who's not in a dedicated team (and would encourage wintrading even more). So at least they left a small ray of light to get it if you think you can get lucky with pugs 20 times but expect to have to participate in well over 40 tournaments to get it since the chances on even just winning the first match will be way below 50%.

    you play more than 1 game per tournament, you should be able to get atleast 1 win per tournament

  • evlover.6270evlover.6270 Member ✭✭
    edited March 19, 2020

    @vyncius.6105 said:

    @evlover.6270 said:

    @Patty.3268 said:
    But is it really tournament wins or is it tournament match wins? Winning 20 Tournaments would be much harder than "just" 20 matches in tournaments. Has someone already partipated in a tournament?

    Matches, but that's already very luck based since you need to hope not to draw a dedicated pvp team while you're probably just pugging a team on lfg. Complete tournament wins would've been impossible for pretty much everyone who's not in a dedicated team (and would encourage wintrading even more). So at least they left a small ray of light to get it if you think you can get lucky with pugs 20 times but expect to have to participate in well over 40 tournaments to get it since the chances on even just winning the first match will be way below 50%.

    you play more than 1 game per tournament, you should be able to get atleast 1 win per tournament

    If no one leaves after losing once/twice. Queued a couple of times back when they updated the system and people just left back then, dunno if people always stay till the end now but seeing people go afk in 2v2 matchups after losing the first fight. I doubt people play through the entire swiss system (which is also being addressed in another topic, they just take way too long now).

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Don't forget how incredibly bugged ATs have been....a really baffling and out of touch decision. Oh wait.....That one pvp guy in the back has something to say?

  • I think the 120 ranked wins are a bit too much. I think 60-80 wins would do the job. But the 20 tournament wins... i don't think i will ever be able to complete that.
    why not make it 50-100 stomps or something like that?

  • Cobra.6509Cobra.6509 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 18, 2020

    If I understand well, the 20 tournaments wins are for visual thing. So you need 120 victory/season roughly 2 wins/day during a normal season for legendary pvp trinket and if you want the visual thing you will need those 20 wins. For me its a very clever way. You need the glamour of a pvp god well win that 20 matches, if you need only the legendary amulet grind a pvp season. Now please do the same thing(visual wise) for other legendary trinkets, i don't need some balls floating around my toon.

  • Nicolo.2418Nicolo.2418 Member ✭✭✭

    tbh - the effecs are pretty nice as long as the ball is over your head but its not!! ?? (why) . It would be cool if you have the choice-box to show the skin or not. So you can stick with your pve triket skins which build up on each other or you can decide to use a silver or gold ball over your head. But this balls are following as slow as an minipet which makes ist a bit strange. As an build up: WvW + PvP - you could add some sword crossing the ball. That would look super cool. But imagine.. Aurora+ Vision + Coales. + Transc. + Conflux…. you have: White balls + 1 black + ley lines + 1 silver + 1 Gold ball nearby. kitten ???? the triket effects use more space then twice your character would.

  • ARZK.8017ARZK.8017 Member ✭✭
    edited March 19, 2020

    The 20 tournament wins must be a joke... I was never able to even win 1 tournament match, how should I even get 1!
    And besides to that, you added 25 achievment points to that? So to get them all I need 100 wins???? Really??? Why? I hoped you learnt something from the pvp achievement/title desaster some years ago...

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well making money is the other way around, so perhaps this is balanced :)

  • Yeah winning120 ranked matches is kinda a lot comparing it with 100 captures of objectives. Making it 100 would be better. PvP is not in line with WvW atm.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crusartas.9502 said:
    I think the 120 ranked wins are a bit too much. I think 60-80 wins would do the job.

    The back item requires 150...

  • lorddavito.2395lorddavito.2395 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly, I complained at start too, but see it from the bright side.

    It's a legendary amulet after all.

    Which means, it shouldn't be obtainable by literally anyone.

    I'm a 98% PvP player and I never got to make legendary armor or trinkets before because it was pve locked.

    Live with it

    • Sâmbu
  • @lorddavito.2395 said:
    Honestly, I complained at start too, but see it from the bright side.

    It's a legendary amulet after all.

    Which means, it shouldn't be obtainable by literally anyone.

    I'm a 98% PvP player and I never got to make legendary armor or trinkets before because it was pve locked.

    Live with it

    True, it is a legendary amulet so it should require some effort. Hence why I said the 120 ranked wins are good because:
    1) it's a pretty large time investment
    2) you're playing pvp at your skill lvl according to your ranking

    However, the tournament wins are often a lottery. Guaranteed losses the first 1-2 games and then hope to get a win on your last game in the tournament.. if no one of your team has left by then and if it isn't a win by default that doesn't count towards the progress.
    No problems with making it a little hard to get something, but I do have a huge problem with the dice factor of the tournament wins. More often than not, it's just 1-2 hours of wasted time and that's assuming you can already be online at the time that one starts. You can't just jump into it and get progress at the time that's best fitting you.

    And sidenote: legendary armor isn't pve locked at all since there are pvp and wvw versions available too. I'm a main pve player and even I have the ascended glory that's needed for a full legy pvp armor set. So shouldn't be that hard if you do pvp all the time.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Necroing this thread because I was going to make my own post but there’s no need. The 20 tournament wins are proving to be even more painful than trying to get into raids for armor (which is still also a massive pain, mind you). Never come so close to actually uninstalling the game as I have in trying to get those wins. And like OP mentioned, it makes no sense! Not just on its own, but when you compare it to the wvw one too. It’s a thinly veiled, terrible attempt for FORCE EVERYONE into a tiny, niche, toxic spot in the game and I’ve only seen others reflect my opinion. I have yet to encounter a single person who’s told me this has helped and they enjoy tournaments now. Why couldn’t it have been 100 player kills? If it’s ok in wvw, why not here? Actually, it makes MORE sense to require kills in PvP than WvW. PvP is all about close combat and slaughtering people to win, but WvW has a large pve aspect to it, as well as long term strategy. If anything, having one of the achievements be getting kills fits better in PvP. It can of course be something more demanding than 100, I think 500 kills would go nicely with 120 ranked wins

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • @Fenom.9457 said:
    Necroing this thread because I was going to make my own post but there’s no need. The 20 tournament wins are proving to be even more painful than trying to get into raids for armor (which is still also a massive pain, mind you). Never come so close to actually uninstalling the game as I have in trying to get those wins. And like OP mentioned, it makes no sense! Not just on its own, but when you compare it to the wvw one too. It’s a thinly veiled, terrible attempt for FORCE EVERYONE into a tiny, niche, toxic spot in the game and I’ve only seen others reflect my opinion. I have yet to encounter a single person who’s told me this has helped and they enjoy tournaments now. Why couldn’t it have been 100 player kills? If it’s ok in wvw, why not here? Actually, it makes MORE sense to require kills in PvP than WvW. PvP is all about close combat and slaughtering people to win, but WvW has a large pve aspect to it, as well as long term strategy. If anything, having one of the achievements be getting kills fits better in PvP. It can of course be something more demanding than 100, I think 500 kills would go nicely with 120 ranked wins

    How did Anet forced you ?

    I wanted the raid ring as well but I can't stand doing raids so I just don't do it and keep playing for fun.

    I've found very easy to get the pvp legendary just like the raid ring is easier for someone who already does raids regularly.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @spectrito.8513 said:

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    Necroing this thread because I was going to make my own post but there’s no need. The 20 tournament wins are proving to be even more painful than trying to get into raids for armor (which is still also a massive pain, mind you). Never come so close to actually uninstalling the game as I have in trying to get those wins. And like OP mentioned, it makes no sense! Not just on its own, but when you compare it to the wvw one too. It’s a thinly veiled, terrible attempt for FORCE EVERYONE into a tiny, niche, toxic spot in the game and I’ve only seen others reflect my opinion. I have yet to encounter a single person who’s told me this has helped and they enjoy tournaments now. Why couldn’t it have been 100 player kills? If it’s ok in wvw, why not here? Actually, it makes MORE sense to require kills in PvP than WvW. PvP is all about close combat and slaughtering people to win, but WvW has a large pve aspect to it, as well as long term strategy. If anything, having one of the achievements be getting kills fits better in PvP. It can of course be something more demanding than 100, I think 500 kills would go nicely with 120 ranked wins

    How did Anet forced you ?

    I wanted the raid ring as well but I can't stand doing raids so I just don't do it and keep playing for fun.

    I've found very easy to get the pvp legendary just like the raid ring is easier for someone who already does raids regularly.

    They force you in the sense that there is no alternative legendary amulet. If there was, I’d gladly shut up and go get that one. And yes, I know you can make the version without visuals without tournament wins. But visuals are the main point of legendaries! Originally, they were meant to be the only reason someone would get a legendary, they were supposed to be high end cosmetic choices that would not give a gameplay advantage. So before you tell me “just make the slumbering version”, remember it was anets own vision that teaches us legendaries are most valued for their visual appearance. And in this way, ArenaNet has not provided an alternative to date, nor given us any reason to believe one is inbound.

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • Kondor.2904Kondor.2904 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @spectrito.8513 said:

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    Necroing this thread because I was going to make my own post but there’s no need. The 20 tournament wins are proving to be even more painful than trying to get into raids for armor (which is still also a massive pain, mind you). Never come so close to actually uninstalling the game as I have in trying to get those wins. And like OP mentioned, it makes no sense! Not just on its own, but when you compare it to the wvw one too. It’s a thinly veiled, terrible attempt for FORCE EVERYONE into a tiny, niche, toxic spot in the game and I’ve only seen others reflect my opinion. I have yet to encounter a single person who’s told me this has helped and they enjoy tournaments now. Why couldn’t it have been 100 player kills? If it’s ok in wvw, why not here? Actually, it makes MORE sense to require kills in PvP than WvW. PvP is all about close combat and slaughtering people to win, but WvW has a large pve aspect to it, as well as long term strategy. If anything, having one of the achievements be getting kills fits better in PvP. It can of course be something more demanding than 100, I think 500 kills would go nicely with 120 ranked wins

    How did Anet forced you ?

    I wanted the raid ring as well but I can't stand doing raids so I just don't do it and keep playing for fun.

    I've found very easy to get the pvp legendary just like the raid ring is easier for someone who already does raids regularly.

    They force you in the sense that there is no alternative legendary amulet. If there was, I’d gladly shut up and go get that one. And yes, I know you can make the version without visuals without tournament wins. But visuals are the main point of legendaries! Originally, they were meant to be the only reason someone would get a legendary, they were supposed to be high end cosmetic choices that would not give a gameplay advantage. So before you tell me “just make the slumbering version”, remember it was anets own vision that teaches us legendaries are most valued for their visual appearance. And in this way, ArenaNet has not provided an alternative to date, nor given us any reason to believe one is inbound.

    PvP players do not have an alternative to PvE trinkets either. No one whines. You either invest time to get a legendary from a specific game mode and get it, or you don't. And like you've already been told, you are not required to have any legendary items to play the game, therefore, you are not being forced into anything. With current swiss system it's more than possible to score wins with the team of any skill level, but you might wanna participate in the AT's during prime time to have better chances.

  • Katary.7096Katary.7096 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    They force you in the sense that there is no alternative legendary amulet. If there was, I’d gladly shut up and go get that one. And yes, I know you can make the version without visuals without tournament wins.

    So you are quite literally criticizing the fact that you need 20 wins in tournament matches so your character gets to have a little portal bubble floating next to them?

    But visuals are the main point of legendaries! Originally, they were meant to be the only reason someone would get a legendary, they were supposed to be high end cosmetic choices that would not give a gameplay advantage. So before you tell me “just make the slumbering version”, remember it was anets own vision that teaches us legendaries are most valued for their visual appearance.

    That was indeed what legendaries once were. I actually happen to prefer that design, but I can't deny that Arenanet has since iterated what a legendary item is supposed to be. They are now offering a QoL benefit and there are people who acquire them for that reason.

    And in this way, ArenaNet has not provided an alternative to date, nor given us any reason to believe one is inbound.

    That has been the norm for legendaries for some time now.

  • Samnang.1879Samnang.1879 Member ✭✭✭✭

    After getting the PVP amulet, I've sworn to never do tournaments again, it's kind of silly to play against organised groups... we all just end up getting cc'ed and killed. And I'm too lazy to organise a PVP group or be in one.

    The 120 PVP wins were OK. By the time I got 120 wins, I also got 20 tournament wins, so it was not that bad. But playing tournies was hell.

    Anet: give us in-game customizable human NPC companion please
    Please, no more balance changes, or at least reset our gears so we don't have to waste gold changing gears every time.
    Please have option to not receive bloodstone dusts, empyreal fragments, dragonite etc

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fenom.9457 said:
    But visuals are the main point of legendaries!

    Maybe for you.
    I have transmuted the appearance of half my legendary weapons. I have them for the stat/sigil swapping QOL. Those god-awful orbs are the reason I don't make the trinkets and the "slumbering" versions aren't big value when compared to how easy stat selectable trinkets are to get in Bloodstone Fen.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Buran.3796Buran.3796 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Both are entirely trivial. 120 wins in ranking are easy to get even in a single Conquest, season, because doing ranking is worth the time just due the economic rewards, ATs are a bit harder, but after a few matches here and there you will get those even playing your worst class. Unless you don't like to play PvP, which is an entirely different topic...

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Grave.9258 said:
    Honestly I was hyped to see lagendary amulet for pvp but when I saw achieves.... Come on, solo players won't be able to get the amulet. I do not see any issue with rankeds because you can pug it but if you do not have any friends like me for example it's impossible to play tournaments.... Hit me when there is any other legendary amulet to obtain in 5 years....

    you can pug tournaments, you will run into bots that just give up and other pugs that are worse then you, trying alone gives reward.
    eventually you will get it.