Anyone find any usefull pvp/wvw dagger builds?

Yes I know the weaknesses of dagger and have been experimenting with it alot I just cant seem to make it work maybe if it didnt have the 1st auto attack and skill 2 had some utility or cc, bud idk anyone else find anything?

It's because it needs an evade or a teleport gap closer. I always thought it should have been a ranged dagger for condi and then leave axe as the power ranged.

I don't even know why they went with MH Dagger with SBeast, it's very rare to see a SBeast use it, except for sPvE and some condi SBeasts in PvP that can be counted on my 2 hands.

@Krispera.5087 right? I think this shouldve iven us (considering sb is like a bastard child of war or core guard) either hammer or a focus (which wouldve been more thematic) and just went all in on power, the sb traits barely have anything to do with condition application

Play MH dagger for fun in pvp/wvw, because you will never be competitive with it Ahha

It's fun to keep on the side with a warhorn for the dual leap + blast finishers on a smokescale's f2. Not really useful or practical, but anything goes for the lulz.

Rune of zephiryte with quicking zephyr and griffon stance. Call yourself the gingerbread man

Instinctive Engage should have evade frames. Before anyone spills their coffee, I'd like to remind you that it has a very clear pre-cast and after-cast. Would probably still get complained about.

@Eleazar.9478 said:Yes I know the weaknesses of dagger and have been experimenting with it alot I just cant seem to make it work maybe if it didnt have the 1st auto attack and skill 2 had some utility or cc, bud idk anyone else find anything?

Tried my hardest to make a d/d build work in WvW using condi, power, or hybrid and the damage output was just abysmal. And this was before the recent nerfs.

@Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

@Eleazar.9478 said:Yes I know the weaknesses of dagger and have been experimenting with it alot I just cant seem to make it work maybe if it didnt have the 1st auto attack and skill 2 had some utility or cc, bud idk anyone else find anything?

Well now it would be better to run it since everything got nerfed, i really think if dagger 2 had a CC perhaps I could really do somthing

Ive been thinking of comboing bristleback fro the sharpend stone in Bm, plus sharp stone uttily with trait with vulutre stance and mad king runes dagger warhorn one wolf

Are we the only profession that doesn't use it's elite specs weapon? I can't think of any other professions weapon that is so crap it's unused pretty much entirely.

Dagger is fine with the dagger trait from skirmishing in wvw. I use it with torch and shortbow. 3 is a short cooldown short leap. Combine that with a soulbeast leap pet, it's still ok.

I have been trying all sorts of builds with mixed results. So far I have liked the quickness bursts from dagger and its synergy with Vulture Stance and Predator's Cunning, trying to maximize poison application with Quickdraw Dagger 4/Shortbow 2. I haven't really landed on a particularly good build yet though...still playing...still a bit rusty on Ranger too.

I found builds working and played it in top 100 pvp and never felt less effective than meta because you can share stances with others aswell. As someone already stated here predators cunning with vulture stance and dagger is strong. Shortbow is great second weapon choice while i mostly rotate s/d or d/d depending on map and need of mobility. Double dagger is harder because less mobility but stronger condi aplication and faster overall while u have 2 leaps for smokefield and another leap on smokescale. S/d is usually better option but you can check my channel if u interested in dagger performance. This video is before patch but have version after it with 1 pet only on channel.

This one is post patch...

Skirm 231 ws 112 slb 231 dual dagger/sb build krait rune or trappers with carrion amul. Black bear, entangle elite,sharpening for bleeds, spike trap'qz and urgent.I find this build strips hp very very fast in pvp. Stay merged as both black bear defensive pet skills are great.

Sword + OH dagger is pretty okay.

Mh dagger? Lol jokes.

Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill.

like the recent spirit rework, M/H dagger is one of those, WTH are they thinking things. was this even playtested in WVW? would love to have melee condi weapon as an option but current dagger not even close to balanced with other weapons.

i think for WVW, minimum improvement would include:

• dagger #2 should be made 240 AOE, like a fan of knives-type skill (optional, +0.5sec quickness per target hit)
• dagger #3 leap is good but distance ought to be 600, increase the recharge to balance

@Eurantien.4632 said:Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill.

How so? Does each individual stack apply life steal too or are you just meming?

@Eleazar.9478 said:

@Eurantien.4632 said:Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill.

With the 100% increase in damage to movement impaired foes it's literally the 2nd hardest hitting weapon skill ranger has.

@Eurantien.4632 said:

@Eleazar.9478 said:

@Eurantien.4632 said:Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill.

Just tested it you're right and it does indeed stack with pred cunning, since that stacks 5 poison its hits 5 times and nets you 980ish extra damage plus whatever condi damage actually ticks thus indeed coming close to maul. man if only dagger mh had a cc or evade double dagger would be scary, perhapps having a cripple on auto would be good too (sword dosnt benifit from preds cunnning

@Eleazar.9478 said:

@Eurantien.4632 said:

@Eleazar.9478 said:

@Eurantien.4632 said:Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill.

(Tested with zekerstats in pvp with div runes)

@Eleazar.9478 said:

@Eurantien.4632 said:

@Eleazar.9478 said:

@Eurantien.4632 said:Dagger 4 is the 2nd hardest hitting ranger weapon skill.

Yeah once dagger mainland gets an evade d/d is IN imo

@Eurantien.4632 said:Yeah once dagger mainland gets an evade

lol. I admire your optimism.

I really hope they don't do to SB what they did to berserker just before path of fire dropped. Completely gutting the class and trying to force it to go condi.. then mid way through PoF it became power again, and maybe a hybrid choice now. Instead that they fix dagger and maybe improve upon the beast abilities to fit a hybrid theme without deleting it from power builds.