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Crystal Black.8190Crystal Black.8190 Member ✭✭✭

So i recently got to play the last episodes and i discovered the lost spirits werent consumed, but corrupted. I didnt yet explore the whole map, but is there any information what happened to owl? Did owl get consumed like its shaman told us or is it kept somwhere by jormag?

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  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I thought Owl had been killed by Jormag during the battle that drove the norn south to form Hoelbrak.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2020

    @Crystal Black.8190 said:
    So i recently got to play the last episodes and i discovered the lost spirits werent consumed, but corrupted. I didnt yet explore the whole map, but is there any information what happened to owl? Did owl get consumed like its shaman told us or is it kept somwhere by jormag?

    Unlike the three lost spirits, Owl sacrificed herself and was destroyed utterly by Jormag. After that, the remaining three stayed behind to hold off Jormag's forces. Prior to the Saga beginning, their fate remained unknown. Owl however was already known to be dead

    From the wiki (which I am sure you are aware of, bu I'll post it anyway)

    "As the battle started, Jormag battered Owl without mercy and wore her down until she was weakened from the brunt of the Ice Dragon's force. Although she was outmatched, Owl chose not to flee because Jormag would have otherwise consumed all the norn below. She raised herself up and flew into Jormag's maw, scratching and clawing to keep the Elder Dragon focused only on her. Jormag destroyed Owl's spirit totally, and it is said that there came a cry that carried not through the air, but through the heart of every norn, after which the norn knew that Owl was lost to them. All owls became weaker and more confused when their Spirit was killed."

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My guess is that she was killed, like the dragons consume magic, so Jormag eat her very essence, so Owl is no more...perhaps if we kill Jormag, her magic can free again, and she can be reborn or something.

  • I think it would be interesting and compelling for Owl to be reborn from Jormag. In fact I'm pretty convinced that with the protective rhetoric we hear coming from Jormag that we are experiencing the influence of Owl directly. Owl the White! =)

    "There is little love for those of my kind in this place, yet I am here to help save them all. To those who matter, actions speak louder than words and my actions shall echo across this city for eternity until all recognize the honor of the Tengu race." ~ Talon Silverwing

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nikolai.3648 said:
    It should be noted though, that we do not know what “death” means towards a Spirit of the Wild. It is said that Owl has been lost forever. But what does that mean exactly? Will there be a new Spirit of Owl in the future? Will the old one be reborn? Judging from the fact that the corrupted Spirits of the Wild seem to be used as energy sources, it might be that Owl is being devoured by Jormag, fueling them as a sort of eternal source of energy. Interesting enough, there are a few details in the game that hint towards Owl still being faintly present and fighting against the will of the elder dragon:

    1) There is still a spirit of Owl overlooking her destroyed lodge (similar to an avatar) which grants you her blessing for some collection.

    2) The vision at her shrine in Lost Spirits Hallow speaks of an overwhelming sensation of hope.

    3) With the newest patch the Broken Voice weapons were introduced. The name could refer to the Voice of Jormag (Whisper or Drakkar) being silenced – but it might also hint at Owls fate: Her voice being so broken that the Norn can’t hear her since her big defeat, but still being present in this world, unyielding fighting against Jormags will. If you take a closer look at the weapons you will also notice that their design does not fit Jormags icy style. They look pure, warm, nearly divine. And their glow literary spells out a certain word: OWL!

    So, there are some hints in the game that Owl might make a return. Should this truly be the case, my bet is on her bursting free from Jormags stomach during the final encounter with the dragon.

    There's a fourth hint. In Cragstead there is an Owl Shaman who believes that Owl can be reborn if there's enough belief in her or something along those lines. Though I find that as nothing but hopeful thinking, since it's established that all of an animal are connected to their Spirit of the Wild, and should the Spirit of the Wild die then those species will be weakened.

    The fact they know this implies that Owl isn't the first Spirit of the Wild to die. Yet there's no story of a Spirit of the Wild being reborn or replaced.

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  • Nikolai.3648Nikolai.3648 Member ✭✭
    edited March 25, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    There's a fourth hint. In Cragstead there is an Owl Shaman who believes that Owl can be reborn if there's enough belief in her or something along those lines. Though I find that as nothing but hopeful thinking, since it's established that all of an animal are connected to their Spirit of the Wild, and should the Spirit of the Wild die then those species will be weakened.

    Thanks, I forgot to mention this one! I also remembered another hint after I wrote the last post. It is debatable, so it was not that important, but I have wondered in the past: Why does the skill Call Owl still work? It is unknown how the racial skills work exactly. The human prayers seem to either not be directly linked to the Gods at all or, judging from the Hounds, at least continue to work with the blessing of the new God of Fire. But the Norn racial skills do seem to depend on the blessing of the Spirits of the Wild, judging from the Elite transformations, which worked this way since GW1. This leaves us with the question of how this plead for Owls aid can still be heard and the help granted if she were indeed totally gone.

    The fact they know this implies that Owl isn't the first Spirit of the Wild to die. Yet there's no story of a Spirit of the Wild being reborn or replaced.

    You can however flip the question around: If we know that another spirit of the Wild died, why is this never mentioned anywhere and Owls sacrifice treated with such importance? It might very well be the case that a Spirit reforms after a while – If the animals are truly linked to their Spirit of the Wild and the species owl did not die out, that would imply that the Spirit will be reborn as a weaker Spirit. That could still be seen as enough reason to be shellshocked over her “death” and also explain why Spirits seem to have different amounts of strength. Minotaur for example appeared to be rather weak. The difference in strength could of course stem from different aspects, but the Spirits never appeared to me like they gained power from something like prayers (The Otter trinket also implies otherwise), which leaves us with the question how this imbalance comes to be (if it truly exists and Minotaur wasn’t just depicted as too weak in the story). If they lose some power with each demise and need to reclaim it for a long time, that could explain why we do know that their linked animals react this way, but also why no one cares about the former “dead” Spirit anymore, since they have already been reborn and reclaimed their full power, leaving no reason to still cry over it by now.