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Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game.

Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.

It does too much and is flying under the radar.

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  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @RegudonNA.4630 said:
    Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game.

    Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.

    It does too much and is flying under the radar.

    While I don't think the build is problemativ (yet), I agree it has a strong nieche: Which is fighting power specs. As long as there are condi builds coutnering it, it should be fine. But if conditions get nerfed, this will become an issue.

    Suggestion: Reduce the weakness duration if you nerf conditions with the next patch (looking at you, condi rev). Alternatively bring an internal CD, but I don't like those.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wouldnt mind Lightning Rod so much if it werent for the fact that the already much weaker Pulmonary Impact got a severe overnerf (That made it a useless trait no build ever picks), while it got away practically unhit.

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭

    Ofc it needs a look - tune down dmg and I am fine with it.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Should be on interrupt only.

  • Fire + Air talent trees , are offensive and offers less survibility

    Dont Over Extent - Desolation

    BrB

  • MyPuppy.8970MyPuppy.8970 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Will there be any good trait left? Even with LR, Ele damage is far from crazy...

  • azzardome.9184azzardome.9184 Member ✭✭✭

    back to water weaver i guess :/

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    seems like they forgot to change it to +100% critical damage / reduced coefficient like they did other similar things (static discharge).

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭

    Lightning rod is actually weaker than stone shield

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Avatar.3568 said:
    Lightning rod is actually weaker than stone shield

    Ranger hard counters most LR builds.
    Stone shield is a soft counter to rangers.

  • Stallic.2397Stallic.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    Anyone have a post of the "high" damage lightning Rod does? The 5k hits Ele can accomplish are usually from Dual skills and 3rd weapon skills, not lightning Rod.

    CC's are very oppressive in this Meta due to the lack of stability, high stun breaks CD's, etc. Not because lightning Rod is OP.

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    It's weird that after the "CC-s should do no damage" patch one of the best ele builds kill targets by spamming CC. Apart from that contradition to the core design philosophy, it's crazy fun to play this build in unranked. Condition damage or CC lockdown hardcounters it. Once you cannot stay on the offense you either run or you die. Maybe if I get better with it I can say for sure it it's truly broken or not.

    Also, don't nerf condi. It keeps builds like this in check.

  • Shao.7236Shao.7236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    Glad someone took the initiative to mention it, I was feeling lazy lately as all I've been seeing is pretty much that when it comes to Elementalist and it's honestly really oppressive in 2v2's when you already have something else that inflict just as much pressure because of the CC that constantly comes stops you from doing anything if you don't have stability, if you are power you're pretty much done for because you can't pressure back without a clear. In 1v1's it's manageable but stability is an absolute must As some said in the past already, it should only be casted on interrupt in the new meta, it's too good for how little effort it takes and sustain did take a hit. Tbh, it's not like it's hard to interrupt people when it takes a lot of key presses to do anything now.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    @Stallic.2397 said:
    Anyone have a post of the "high" damage lightning Rod does?

    I think it hit me for 3k once, usually does half that.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Grimjack.8130Grimjack.8130 Member ✭✭✭

    hi helio :)

    I'm a well known nobody.
    Former member of [MnF], [DnT], [dP], and [Hg]. Winner of the 2018 ERP Tournament.

  • @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @Stallic.2397 said:
    Anyone have a post of the "high" damage lightning Rod does?

    I think it hit me for 3k once, usually does half that.

    I barely did that damage pre-nerf.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malcastus.6240 said:
    I barely did that damage pre-nerf.

    It does 2.5kish per proc afaik, if traited correctly.

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Well back to core elementalist since everyone wants to hammer the kitten class into non-existence. Got FA nerfed, got Fire weaver nerfed, got water sword nerfed, celestial DD nerfed, cantrips, useless traits, obsidian reworked four times, staff doing no damage, frostbow no damage, focus are only defense lifeline, ToF pointless, stability gutted.

    When are y'all gonna GIVE??? Look what you did to scrapper?? Look what you did to mirage, to scourge, gunflame, Warrior dagger, most of the spell breaker skills, Steal, Core Guardian AND Dragonhunter, Chronomancer. The list is practically endless with what THESE particular forums has caused. I actually need to know when is enough is enough, because, my word, we can't have ANY specializations do anything unique unless it is like Core Revenant/Renegade tier. And this is going for ALL classes at this point, not just my mains or other people's mains. The worst part is Anet LISTENS to this and actually believes this is constructive.

    Almost none of those nerfs were bad things though. LoL.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Avatar.3568 said:
    Lightning rod is actually weaker than stone shield

    Ranger hard counters most LR builds.
    Stone shield is a soft counter to rangers.

    Lightning Rod Weaver counters rangers pretty well.

    There are a ton of projectile denials on d/f for the longbow and the shocking aura, CCs, unblockable knockdown, weakness, and blind counters gs.

    Rangers can't even use Lightning Reflexes vs. shocking aura because it stuns us immediately after the stunbreak.

    The only ranger build that is a pretty good counter to d/f weaver is the immobilize spam druid but that's just because the weaver build can't get rid of the immobilize very easily because it prevents cleansing wave on dodge.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:
    Lightning Rod Weaver counters rangers pretty well.

    There are a ton of projectile denials on d/f for the longbow and the shocking aura, CCs, unblockable knockdown, weakness, and blind counters gs.

    Rangers can't even use Lightning Reflexes vs. shocking aura because it stuns us immediately after the stunbreak.

    I should've mentioned I meant on open field, not on node.

    LR weaver doesn't even use teleport so it can't catch up with a kiting ranger.

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    Uh counter to 1500+ range noooo ranger znplayable 111 nref nref

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭

    With all this kitten happening rn you really want to focus on freaking lightning rod?
    xD
    I knew that ele is ANet unwanted child, but now also community? When did ele become second thief (in terms of hatred)?
    [Core ele words, non-LR]

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons
    25.02.2020 edit - Nevermind, now I spam only 29 skill-buttons

  • hi helio :)

  • but good point regudonna lr is very oppressive and does 2-3k crits on heavy classes with toughness amulet

  • RegudonNA.4630RegudonNA.4630 Member
    edited March 20, 2020

    Hey helio :)

  • hi hello :)

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just play staff/staff bunker thief it’ll beat ele builds 1v1 for 5s and can even 1v2 2 eles in 2s no matter how high their rating

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    @Dantheman.3589 said:
    Just play staff/staff bunker thief it’ll beat ele builds 1v1 for 5s and can even 1v2 2 eles in 2s no matter how high their rating

    Lol u and ur staff DD, u always make it sound so strong like its top tier. Problem? Just staff/staff DD it lol. There's a reason 1 out of 30 thieves u see in pvp or wvw are staff lol.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Dantheman.3589 said:
    Just play staff/staff bunker thief it’ll beat ele builds 1v1 for 5s and can even 1v2 2 eles in 2s no matter how high their rating

    Lol u and ur staff DD, u always make it sound so strong like its top tier. Problem? Just staff/staff DD it lol

    I play pretty much any thief build. Only real reason I’m on staff/staff rn is because it’s only thief build that works for 2s, also sometimes ppl in ats sometimes benefit from a side noder which I can do perfectly fine on staff/staff rn.
    Reason 1/30 thief’s on staff?? I don’t even get it at least on NA there doesn’t seem to be that many thief mains in top tier and the ones that are actually there I can usually outplay on staff. Staff has been decent for like past 6 seasons can name multiple staff thief’s in plat3- legend multiple did it solo q

  • bravan.3876bravan.3876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You didn't know he has like 2345343131245344524 accounts? xD

    "playing revenant is borderline exploiting" - up condimirage 2k18

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Well back to core elementalist since everyone wants to hammer the kitten class into non-existence. Got FA nerfed, got Fire weaver nerfed, got water sword nerfed, celestial DD nerfed, cantrips, useless traits, obsidian reworked four times, staff doing no damage, frostbow no damage, focus are only defense lifeline, ToF pointless, stability gutted.

    When are y'all gonna GIVE??? Look what you did to scrapper?? Look what you did to mirage, to scourge, gunflame, Warrior dagger, most of the spell breaker skills, Steal, Core Guardian AND Dragonhunter, Chronomancer. The list is practically endless with what THESE particular forums has caused. I actually need to know when is enough is enough, because, my word, we can't have ANY specializations do anything unique unless it is like Core Revenant/Renegade tier. And this is going for ALL classes at this point, not just my mains or other people's mains. The worst part is Anet LISTENS to this and actually believes this is constructive.

    Almost none of those nerfs were bad things though. LoL.

    Yea and some of those were destroyed in the process. Let's look at the number of scourges, chronos, DHs that pop up now. I'll wait. Nobody wants to play butchered classes. Period.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 21, 2020

    @RegudonNA.4630 said:
    Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game.

    Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.

    It does too much and is flying under the radar.

    I'm fine with the damage & weakness.

    I believe the problem lies more within the CC spam. Way too much access, way too much uptime, way too much duration.

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Well back to core elementalist since everyone wants to hammer the kitten class into non-existence. Got FA nerfed, got Fire weaver nerfed, got water sword nerfed, celestial DD nerfed, cantrips, useless traits, obsidian reworked four times, staff doing no damage, frostbow no damage, focus are only defense lifeline, ToF pointless, stability gutted.

    When are y'all gonna GIVE??? Look what you did to scrapper?? Look what you did to mirage, to scourge, gunflame, Warrior dagger, most of the spell breaker skills, Steal, Core Guardian AND Dragonhunter, Chronomancer. The list is practically endless with what THESE particular forums has caused. I actually need to know when is enough is enough, because, my word, we can't have ANY specializations do anything unique unless it is like Core Revenant/Renegade tier. And this is going for ALL classes at this point, not just my mains or other people's mains. The worst part is Anet LISTENS to this and actually believes this is constructive.

    Almost none of those nerfs were bad things though. LoL.

    Yea and some of those were destroyed in the process. Let's look at the number of scourges, chronos, DHs that pop up now. I'll wait. Nobody wants to play butchered classes. Period.

    Scourge can stay dead in PvP for all I care, DH is perfectly fine, chrono was indeed an unnecesseary casuality, however after the patch it's playable again. If LR gets some nerfs (and not the smitersboon treatment), it can still be viable.

  • Stallic.2397Stallic.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sunshine.5014 said:

    @RegudonNA.8210 said:
    but good point regudonna lr is very oppressive and does 2-3k crits on heavy classes with toughness amulet

    I'm not commenting on LR, but this is funny. In the Ranger's thread, people said the damage was nerfed way too much. Nerfed the crit from 10k+ down to 8k means deleting the ranger.

    Now on this Ele thread, people complains about 2-3k damage. That's like, less than the auto attack chain from some classes.

    CC definitely needs some nerfs. But complaining about LR damage? :P LOL

    And it's a grandmaster trait at that...

    To play Ele is to be masochistic

  • Quadox.7834Quadox.7834 Member ✭✭✭✭

    can i please get lightning rod on mesmer instead of power block pretty please

    // Yanim

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    buff shattered aegis or burn for all eternity

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Shao.7236Shao.7236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Well back to core elementalist since everyone wants to hammer the kitten class into non-existence. Got FA nerfed, got Fire weaver nerfed, got water sword nerfed, celestial DD nerfed, cantrips, useless traits, obsidian reworked four times, staff doing no damage, frostbow no damage, focus are only defense lifeline, ToF pointless, stability gutted.

    When are y'all gonna GIVE??? Look what you did to scrapper?? Look what you did to mirage, to scourge, gunflame, Warrior dagger, most of the spell breaker skills, Steal, Core Guardian AND Dragonhunter, Chronomancer. The list is practically endless with what THESE particular forums has caused. I actually need to know when is enough is enough, because, my word, we can't have ANY specializations do anything unique unless it is like Core Revenant/Renegade tier. And this is going for ALL classes at this point, not just my mains or other people's mains. The worst part is Anet LISTENS to this and actually believes this is constructive.

    What you on about Core Revenant/Renegade? Condi was cut in half even thought it didn't need to be and one power burst can only come every 12 seconds or so yet it's more than playable for those who know what they are doing.

    LR is definitely unhealthy as it's spammable, more spammable than people have evades for. If you believe that saying LR should only proc on an interrupt is not constructive, not sure what you could ever consider balanced.

  • Swagg.9236Swagg.9236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It kind of blows that Lightning Rod is the only viable way for core staff ele to inflict """decent""" damage, but it's abused by weaver memes that have far more mobility, spammable strikes and baked-in effect negation via evasion and stability.

  • Quadox.7834Quadox.7834 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Quadox.7834 said:
    can i please get lightning rod on mesmer instead of power block pretty please

    Sure...just give away your stealth, your medium base HP, your clones, your distortion, your teleports...you can take lightning rod...take also fresh air plus any other thing you'd like, I am 100% down to it if the devs are

    no just lightning rod thanks

    // Yanim

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hold on. Are we talking about LR weaver? Shocking aura spam tempest? And are we just taling about "fun to play against" or actual OPness?

    I am getting mixed signals here. I even read blind spam on ele...? People annoyed by some S/F arcane build too...?

    1. I do not think many LR builds are a problem. It might be strong in some situations, so reduce damage a little, reduce weakness duration maybe. Some builds heavily rely on Shocking aura as a life saver versus certain builds. The aura should not be changed.

    2. Looking at Shocking aura share and Lightning hammer Tempest: Well, it has a very clear weakness (conditions), but I might agree there are some too many stuns on it. Maybe check Hammer (and/or shield pull for that matter)?

    3. LR weaver? Though I believe damage reduction and weakness duration would do the trick. Weaver only brings one CC to the table after all. Maybe Mud slide should only CC once in general, just like Slick shoes.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @MyPuppy.8970 said:
    Will there be any good trait left? Even with LR, Ele damage is far from crazy...

    Nope...they will go complain about fire weaver after lightning rod...."too much burning still" they will say..then they will jump on water weaver...."too much sustain still"...then will jump on tempest..."too much..huh...cleansing yeah"...then they will jump on core ele :-) ..."too much..huh...well..whatever is left to nerf"...basically no..

    This is why I'm worried about nerf threads.

    Once someone gets a bit of blood in their mouth they get a taste for the nerfs and some won't stop until a class is gutted, because some is out of pure spite.

    There is also misinformation too about what is overperforming and what is actually performing as required.

    There is also the wrong information about specs EG necro nerf threads asking to nerf the wrong things such as nerfing all sustain traits which would make them free kills and all stealth for thieves which would gut them.

    The exaggeration also without any video which is pretty easy to record btw with obs. a small video can show the performance and what your tactic is and what the tactic said the class is using against you.

    how are we supposed to know what ability, for instance, the necro/thief/ranger/Mesmer/warrior/engineer/revenant guardian etc uses? I described some stuff for instance when I fought revenant, but there could have been minute details I missed when fighting the rev about what he used, and in a video, people can point it out.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • @RegudonNA.4630 said:
    Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game.

    Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.

    It does too much and is flying under the radar.

    That's a vague and customized complaint.

    Lightning Rod is fine. If It's too much on weaver, you have a weaver problem. More likely you wish to work less for a win than others.

    Doing damage and applying weakness for 3 secs on a hard CC (which are on long CD's, except Weaver air), and they aren't spammable fyi. You can chain the ones you have, but it's a short chain. The damage is so pitiful, I believe you to be trolling, or a sore loser.

    People complain about whiners, but in reality they complain about you.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 21, 2020

    @Malcastus.6240 said:

    @RegudonNA.4630 said:
    Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game.

    Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.

    It does too much and is flying under the radar.

    That's a vague and customized complaint.

    Lightning Rod is fine. If It's too much on weaver, you have a weaver problem. More likely you wish to work less for a win than others.

    Doing damage and applying weakness for 3 secs on a hard CC (which are on long CD's, except Weaver air), and they aren't spammable fyi. You can chain the ones you have, but it's a short chain. The damage is so pitiful, I believe you to be trolling, or a sore loser.

    People complain about whiners, but in reality they complain about you.

    Im not sure why people keep repeating that "it does low damage". It really doesnt. Its a 1.5 scaling skill. Thats only 0.3 less than a back backstab, which is 1.8 scaling. Sure, weaver has fewer damage multipliers, but it will still easily hit for 5+k on a crit.

    Edit: Pulmonary Impact, now that skill does low damage, and did even before this patch overnerfed it. And it got nerfed by 66%. Lightning Rod already did 2+ times the damage, and was untouched.