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  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2020

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pifil.5193 said:
    I expect the Legendary Armory to not add additional costs to earning legendaries. Why?

    You dont have to add more than a few silvers to materials to add alot of cost to legendaries... And if the legendary armoury makes them more "worth it" you can be sure that the material cost will rise.

    Then again its honestly so easy to earn gold nowadays.

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  • kanemi.4903kanemi.4903 Member ✭✭

    @keenedge.9675 said:
    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    As long as Build Equipment Tabs and additional Skill Build Tabs have their coast reduced.
    I don't mind the monetization ;)

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  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2020

    Do not monetize this feature: legendaries are already heavily monetized and all that will do is disincentivize people from acquiring them, essentially killing the economy.

    How are they monetized?

    1) Through gem to gold conversions -> anyone who doesn't feel like farming gold can buy the gold outright, I bet plenty of people do this.
    2) Gear templates themselves -> If the legendary armory essentially acts like it lets you have 1 copy of each legendary per gear template, this increases the value of players adding more gear/stat sets to their arsenals, as they can quickly bring a new gear set online, permanently and easily without stat swapping, by buying the template.

  • So, is this something coming out on tuesday or at least the next update after that or is it gonna be months from now? Because the initial post acted like it was something that was ready and even said they were implementing it next update and wanting feedback. Then 2 months later thanked us for our feedback but said basically according to our interest they would start working on it and were excited to have us be a part of the developmental process.

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2020

    I'm going to remain decided pessimistic about this feature. At best, I will be pleasantly surprised if they pull off something like mounts - something I thought would be awful, but ended up beautifully implemented. If I had to put money on it though, I'd bet that it'll end up much more like templates: an inferior solution that costs much more than it deserves.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2020

    @monkeyface.5627 said:
    So, is this something coming out on tuesday or at least the next update after that or is it gonna be months from now? Because the initial post acted like it was something that was ready and even said they were implementing it next update and wanting feedback. Then 2 months later thanked us for our feedback but said basically according to our interest they would start working on it and were excited to have us be a part of the developmental process.

    Maybe read the dev posts?
    Its still in the planing phase, second post clarified it.

    Fire Attunement.9835 ArenaNet › May 21, 2020
    First, thanks to all of you for your input. Your strong reaction and feedback showed us that this would be a worthwhile addition to the game and we can’t wait to get it to you. We’re excited to be able to make you a part of development early on for this feature, and in the coming months we’ll be sharing updates as we move through the implementation process.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    Templates pretty much ruined the point of legendary utility with how stat swapping and upgrades work with them. The value of ascended skyrocketed because of templates.

    A legendary armory is necessary to put legendaries back up to how useful they were. The whole point is that it only benefits legendary equipment because it is that valuable.

  • Makross.5027Makross.5027 Member ✭✭

    Can you guys add Stabilizing Matrices to the result of salvaging ascended armor or weapons?

  • Pepsi.3610Pepsi.3610 Member ✭✭
    edited May 24, 2020

    Is it going to be for legendaries only? Why not also for ascendent gears, since are account bound too?

    If we have to pay for a feature, at least make it complete

  • For everyone on monetizing this system, think a minute about this. They are adding this armory to an existing template system that is already monetized. Give this armory to people, people will want legendaries more, and with more legendaries different build templates. I bet people buy more templates to complement the armory. No need to monetize anything with it.

    On people who want ascended’s added to armory, like they said, this gives extra incentive to have people build legendaries. If you did it for ascended’s too, it would not make it as inticing to make legendaries, so defeats the purpose almost.

  • bharr.2890bharr.2890 Member ✭✭

    Maybe it will come as a core mastery, in the legendary creation line?
    Maybe an outfit maker might come later? Making copies of legendarys useful for fashion wars for a bit.
    I just hope the armoury is released soon.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bharr.2890 said:
    Maybe it will come as a core mastery, in the legendary creation line?
    Maybe an outfit maker might come later? Making copies of legendarys useful for fashion wars for a bit.
    I just hope the armoury is released soon.

    It wont be they are still in the this is a good idea phase.

  • Kronos.3695Kronos.3695 Member ✭✭✭

    So, my guess at this point is that you're gonna release this and alliances with the next expansion.
    My hope is that the said expansion will arrive not late than the second half of 2021 (4 years after the last expansion).

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fire Attunement.9835 said:
    First, thanks to all of you for your input. Your strong reaction and feedback showed us that this would be a worthwhile addition to the game and we can’t wait to get it to you. We’re excited to be able to make you a part of development early on for this feature, and in the coming months we’ll be sharing updates as we move through the implementation process.

    1 Please for the love of God do not make this pay to unlock. You've already monetised it enough eith the game, the expacs and the other gemstore stuff. I've already paid for the legendaries with irl currency, in-game currency AND time played. If you make it pay to unlock that will be the nail in the coffin for myself actually leaving the game, as well as others I know.

    2 My suggestion for it would be to have storage similar to the account's achievement points skin unlocks, where you can generate a copy of that item for free at any given time. If it's similar to this the items cloned would be account bound, and unable to be sold to a vendor or salvaged. That way you can get a copy of every legendary you currently own on any character without an extra (unnecessary) cost. That would also fix the issue that might arise from trying to transmute skins onto the same legendary item across different characters. Every character would get their own copy of the legendary that could then be visually changed at will. The only thing to think about here would be how you would implement this without giving people the ability to get Twice Told Legend without actually making a second of the same weapon.

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  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    @Jay RF.8407 said:
    Are people forgetting that we were already able to easily swap our legendary gear to other character BEFORE we got Anet's build templates. Now, if I want to make full use of my legendary gear, I have to destroy all templates bound with that piece of gear to use it like I could before, on multiple characters. Monitizing this feature will add an additional gem cost to legendary equipment that simply shouldn't be there.

    It's amazing how that single "QoL" (read: cash grab) completely gutted my want to do map completion and/or story on alts just because of how much worse swapping legendary gear became. Now I've gotta find what character doesn't have legendary gear if I want to use good gear on an alt temporarily.

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  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    Templates pretty much ruined the point of legendary utility with how stat swapping and upgrades work with them. The value of ascended skyrocketed because of templates.

    A legendary armory is necessary to put legendaries back up to how useful they were. The whole point is that it only benefits legendary equipment because it is that valuable.

    Not to mention it made it 1000% more tedious to switch gear between characters. That one single update switched my mindset from "oh wow my legendary gear is useful, I can switch it between toons so easy" to "kitten my life I've gotta remove it from all templates, remember what template had what stats and runes, gotta resocket the runes on the new toon (also infusions if you need those), and then do it all again when switching back". Talk about gutting high end gear convenience with one single patch.

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  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    Templates pretty much ruined the point of legendary utility with how stat swapping and upgrades work with them. The value of ascended skyrocketed because of templates.

    A legendary armory is necessary to put legendaries back up to how useful they were. The whole point is that it only benefits legendary equipment because it is that valuable.

    Not to mention it made it 1000% more tedious to switch gear between characters. That one single update switched my mindset from "oh wow my legendary gear is useful, I can switch it between toons so easy" to "kitten my life I've gotta remove it from all templates, remember what template had what stats and runes, gotta resocket the runes on the new toon (also infusions if you need those), and then do it all again when switching back". Talk about gutting high end gear convenience with one single patch.

    Its not even about convenience for me.

    The legendary armory would give me a goal in gw2 again.

    My long time goal of 39k AP is done with this update.

    Really need something to work on.

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    Templates pretty much ruined the point of legendary utility with how stat swapping and upgrades work with them. The value of ascended skyrocketed because of templates.

    A legendary armory is necessary to put legendaries back up to how useful they were. The whole point is that it only benefits legendary equipment because it is that valuable.

    Not to mention it made it 1000% more tedious to switch gear between characters. That one single update switched my mindset from "oh wow my legendary gear is useful, I can switch it between toons so easy" to "kitten my life I've gotta remove it from all templates, remember what template had what stats and runes, gotta resocket the runes on the new toon (also infusions if you need those), and then do it all again when switching back". Talk about gutting high end gear convenience with one single patch.

    Its not even about convenience for me.

    The legendary armory would give me a goal in gw2 again.

    My long time goal of 39k AP is done with this update.

    Really need something to work on.

    Legendary skins are the only thing I've got left to work on in this game. I got one of each armor class via raiding, just got the newest trinkets and weapons to go. However if the armory is monetised I'll be straight up quitting. I'm so done with the greedy and manipulative monetisation tactics.

    My policy is if you want money from me, release an expac. The LS episodes are free, therefore I won't be manipulated into pity buying things off the gemstore. If they wanted cash for it they should have released it at a cost.

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  • @Pepsi.3610 said:
    Is it going to be for legendaries only? Why not also for ascendent gears, since are account bound too?

    If we have to pay for a feature, at least make it complete

    The idea is to make Legendaries even more valuable by unlocking that equipment piece for account-wide. If they allowed it with ascended there would be no point to Legendaries.

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    Not to mention it made it 1000% more tedious to switch gear between characters. That one single update switched my mindset from "oh wow my legendary gear is useful, I can switch it between toons so easy" to "kitten my life I've gotta remove it from all templates, remember what template had what stats and runes, gotta resocket the runes on the new toon (also infusions if you need those), and then do it all again when switching back". Talk about gutting high end gear convenience with one single patch.

    Pre-templates you had to do this anyways (especially if going from a Power to Condi build). The only additional step is removing it from all templates before being able to swap it to another character, or re-setting it up on the character you swapped from. If you're only using 1 gear template tab on all of your characters, then it's completely the same as pre-template.

    @bharr.2890 said:
    Maybe it will come as a core mastery, in the legendary creation line?
    Maybe an outfit maker might come later? Making copies of legendarys useful for fashion wars for a bit.
    I just hope the armoury is released soon.

    Tying the Legendary Armoury to Mastery Points would be great for the Core Tyria MP since those ones there are 82 available and you only need 49 (a little over half) to max out your Core Tyria Masteries. If they go one step further and make Gen2 tied to HoT, there are 198 Available but you only need 144 to max them all out--including raids. (PoF 130 available, 102 to max.; IBS 23 available, 18 to max)

    It'd be nice having an actual use for the Core Mastery points. I can see a bit of frustration in that those with all of the sets now need to do more grinding to get the EXP for the armoury, but it'd at least give them something to shoot for; otherwise they can just ignore it and continue doing what they are currently doing.

    Alternatively, ANet could always make it require Dungeon Currencies or an achievement that requires completing the various paths in dungeons (maybe story + 1-2 paths?). That way, makes Dungeons relevant again for a while.

  • Mortifer.2946Mortifer.2946 Member ✭✭

    I just found this... I am totally thrilled. Now I have even more incentive to finish my legendary armor. And then play the game more to collected 2 more

  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2020

    @Geoff Fey.1035 said:
    The idea is to make Legendaries even more valuable by unlocking that equipment piece for account-wide. If they allowed it with ascended there would be no point to Legendaries.

    The trouble is that Legendaries only have value by stat-swapping. This only benefits a small percentage. The looks aren't really a lure. The legendary armory will only benefit the same group of people. So, it will not draw EXTRA people toward them.

    Plus, to earn a legendary it requires less popular modes of game-play: PvP, WvW, Raids, and now Strikes. Each of these requires months and months of grind.
    EDIT: I was thinking primarily of legendary armor here.
    If they HAD value, people would want them already. When I want to min-max I use greens/blues and learn what I need THEN craft(or change) ascended pieces.

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  • Kami.8342Kami.8342 Member ✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:
    The only thing to think about here would be how you would implement this without giving people the ability to get Twice Told Legend without actually making a second of the same weapon.

    This is actually relatively trivial to fix, it isn't the act of acquiring a bound legendary that triggers "Twice Told Legend" it is the act of BINDING a legendary.
    If they decided to go with the account skin method of acquisition, then the items you acquire will already be bound, and cannot be bound again. This would allow people who want it to still acquire "Twice Told Legend". While it would be completely unnecessary to have the title at this point, people would still do it just like the "I'm Rich You Know" title, that is literally just throwing away 1000g.

  • @keenedge.9675 said:

    @Geoff Fey.1035 said:
    The idea is to make Legendaries even more valuable by unlocking that equipment piece for account-wide. If they allowed it with ascended there would be no point to Legendaries.

    The trouble is that Legendaries only have value by stat-swapping. This only benefits a small percentage. The looks aren't really a lure. The legendary armory will only benefit the same group of people. So, it will not draw EXTRA people toward them.

    Plus, to earn a legendary it requires less popular modes of game-play: PvP, WvW, Raids, and now Strikes. Each of these requires months and months of grind.

    If they HAD value, people would want them already. When I want to min-max I use greens/blues and learn what I need THEN craft(or change) ascended pieces.

    Agreed that the skins I'm are "meg", right now the main value of Legendaries is the stat swapping and free rune/infusion extraction. Once the armoury comes in, the value of Legendary over ascended will be huge and it will definitely draw more people to them.

    For example, if you get a legendary amulet every single character on your account can use it at the same time (without having to swap it through your bank/shared inventory) and can stat swap. It essentially frees you from ever having to get another ascended amulet again for every single character you ever have (at level 80). This applies to everything else--weapons, armour (split by heavy/medium/light), trinkets, back, etc.

    I can see a lot of people getting very interested in completing Vision/Aurora because Trinkets (I find) are always the hardest ascended things to get for alts. So once you get Vision & Aurora you never have to worry about trinkets on any character ever again.

    As for the grind... it depends on your stockpile. I think it took me 4 months of casual play in PvP and some intense WvW on weekends to get full Legendary Heavy Armour. That being said, I had a guild bank filled with immense amounts of materials accrued from the last 7 years of on/off playing (+3 year hiatus), so YMMV.

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @Geoff Fey.1035 said:
    The idea is to make Legendaries even more valuable by unlocking that equipment piece for account-wide. If they allowed it with ascended there would be no point to Legendaries.

    The trouble is that Legendaries only have value by stat-swapping. This only benefits a small percentage. The looks aren't really a lure. The legendary armory will only benefit the same group of people. So, it will not draw EXTRA people toward them.

    Plus, to earn a legendary it requires less popular modes of game-play: PvP, WvW, Raids, and now Strikes. Each of these requires months and months of grind.

    If they HAD value, people would want them already. When I want to min-max I use greens/blues and learn what I need THEN craft(or change) ascended pieces.

    People do want legendaries already. If they were unwanted they wouldn't be worth thousands of gold on the tp. People pay those prices because they are in demand.

    Talking strictly about the gift of battle, it takes 8 hours of WvW to finish one track assuming you're at t6 participation the whole time. Add the boosters that stack and you're down to under 4 hours. Not to mention the super braindead dailies like land claimer, big spender, master of monuments and guard killer are super easy to do when they pop up in the rotation, giving you another boost to the track. Doing these and working towards it passively is probably one of the best things to do if you despise WvW.

    Skirmish tickets are however a different issue which do require months of grind. That we can agree is rather ridiculous.

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  • BadHealer.3608BadHealer.3608 Member ✭✭✭

    Does someone know how the timeline on this is? WIll this come before or after the alliance system?

  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2020

    @Fire Attunement.9835 said: on May 21, 2020
    . . . and in the coming months we’ll be sharing updates as we move through the implementation process.

    it'll be a while still

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  • Blockhead Magee.3092Blockhead Magee.3092 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't trust that the system will be user friendly or effective. My biggest hope is that it doesn't get in the way.

  • Corma.7268Corma.7268 Member ✭✭

    I'm quite disappointed. When you initially said this will come with the next update, I realized it wouldn't be in a patch, but I seriously expected this as part of the living story update to be released today. Now you talk about months of future development. If this feature takes several months, a quarter of a year at least (counted from the initial announcement), how long will it take to get the expansion ready? A decade?

  • @Corma.7268 said:
    I'm quite disappointed. When you initially said this will come with the next update, I realized it wouldn't be in a patch, but I seriously expected this as part of the living story update to be released today. Now you talk about months of future development. If this feature takes several months, a quarter of a year at least (counted from the initial announcement), how long will it take to get the expansion ready? A decade?

    Expansion (March 12th) and Legendary Armoury (March 20th) were announced at roughly the same time. Specifically:

    "Development is underway on a third Guild Wars 2 expansion. The team is hard at work, and it’s much too soon to talk about any details right now, including features, story, release date, or development timeline. We’ll have to stick to that until we’re ready to reveal more information to the world. When we are ready, you’ll definitely know!" https://guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-to-spring-summer-and-the-future/

    We don't know how long they've been working on the expansion, nor when it'll be ready. Based on how HoT was announced in January 2015 and released October 2015, it's entirely possible the expansion will be released sometime this year and/or next year. Given the relatively lackluster response to the ending of PoF, they might be trying to make it more cohesive instead of people having to wait for living world updates to get the full storyline. Or they're starting from scratch since they really had an issue with some communities not liking the various East Asian styles crammed together (thinking of the "Great Collapse" in Divinity's Reach).

    We just don't know, but I'd figure 2021 we should see more on EXP3.

  • I was really hoping that we'll see this feature with this update...I don't understand why is it so hard for ANet to simply say how long will take to release this feature. Whatever phase of development this is in, they could aproximate this to some period of time (based on their previous projects). If they would say this feature will be ready in June, I wouldn't mind if it will be ready in July, but I would be pretty pissed if it would be ready in November. Come on, guys, give us an ETA.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @I Rubra Caelum I.1530 said:
    I was really hoping that we'll see this feature with this update...I don't understand why is it so hard for ANet to simply say how long will take to release this feature. Whatever phase of development this is in, they could aproximate this to some period of time (based on their previous projects). If they would say this feature will be ready in June, I wouldn't mind if it will be ready in July, but I would be pretty pissed if it would be ready in November. Come on, guys, give us an ETA.

    Do you really would be happy if they would say: "this feature will be ready in November (maybe this year, maybe next year)" ? B)

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  • Zaidya.6138Zaidya.6138 Member ✭✭
    edited May 27, 2020

    I love the idea as most of us do. Also I have the same questions as the rest about legendary runes, underwater breather and if the skins are fix or changeable.

    It would suck to stick to the same skins on every charakter like it already sucks to use the same skin on my mesmer for every build since I use legendary armor here.

    Also it would be nice if you bring the option to deactivate legendary trinket skins. I want all legendary trinkets because it's really nice to change stats fast, but some of the skins and the combinations of it are absolutely to much and not my stile at all.

    But first things first: please fix the login server bugs before implementing more new stuff >.<

    I hope someone reads this. Ty and have a nice day :P

  • @Zok.4956 said:

    @I Rubra Caelum I.1530 said:
    I was really hoping that we'll see this feature with this update...I don't understand why is it so hard for ANet to simply say how long will take to release this feature. Whatever phase of development this is in, they could aproximate this to some period of time (based on their previous projects). If they would say this feature will be ready in June, I wouldn't mind if it will be ready in July, but I would be pretty pissed if it would be ready in November. Come on, guys, give us an ETA.

    Do you really would be happy if they would say: "this feature will be ready in November (maybe this year, maybe next year)" ? B)

    Surprisingly, yes, I would.

  • ZeroGPX.4056ZeroGPX.4056 Member ✭✭

    Would it be possible to have a tab in our hero panel where we can just pull unlimited number copies of the legendary we own, so the item operates the same as current legendary items, but on the equipment template, we can only equip UP TO the number that we actually own?
    So if I have crafted 5 legendary rune, 1 Bolt, then I can pull 18 runes, and 3 Bolts, but on EACH equipment template, I can only equip a max of 5 runes, and 1 Bolt?

    I am thinking of it as those achievement skins. Of course, I don't know how items are coded in GW2 so this can be totally meaningless.

  • I hope this applies to not only armor and weapons, but the trinkets/backpeice too....

  • GreyBite.7063GreyBite.7063 Member
    edited May 29, 2020

    Probably this is already on the table, but gotta say it:

    Can we please get the same treatment backpieces have to "check/uncheck" to let us decide if we want to show it or not, into legendary trinkets?
    Personaly I don't like PvE trinkets animations and would love to use'em without those bubbles on my head. Like we already can swap armor/weapons/backpieces styles from wardrobe.
    I'm not saying legendary trinkets should got the same wardrobe stuff, but at least let us decide to show them or not.

  • Mauzi.5892Mauzi.5892 Member ✭✭✭

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    Templates pretty much ruined the point of legendary utility with how stat swapping and upgrades work with them. The value of ascended skyrocketed because of templates.

    A legendary armory is necessary to put legendaries back up to how useful they were. The whole point is that it only benefits legendary equipment because it is that valuable.

    Not to mention it made it 1000% more tedious to switch gear between characters. That one single update switched my mindset from "oh wow my legendary gear is useful, I can switch it between toons so easy" to "kitten my life I've gotta remove it from all templates, remember what template had what stats and runes, gotta resocket the runes on the new toon (also infusions if you need those), and then do it all again when switching back". Talk about gutting high end gear convenience with one single patch.

    Its not even about convenience for me.

    The legendary armory would give me a goal in gw2 again.

    My long time goal of 39k AP is done with this update.

    Really need something to work on.

    Legendary skins are the only thing I've got left to work on in this game. I got one of each armor class via raiding, just got the newest trinkets and weapons to go. However if the armory is monetised I'll be straight up quitting. I'm so done with the greedy and manipulative monetisation tactics.

    My policy is if you want money from me, release an expac. The LS episodes are free, therefore I won't be manipulated into pity buying things off the gemstore. If they wanted cash for it they should have released it at a cost.

    BS!

    This feature remains a optional QoL. So if they want gems for it, it's fine.
    Or they can go the other route, offer you all upgrades for free... and when they release a LS episode, thec charge 400 gems for each... let's see how you would like that idea...

    People need to stop demanding to have everything for free.

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mauzi.5892 said:

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    This is THE thing I'm waiting for. Even more than the ex pack.

    This is ~A~ thing that has not been needed. It'll help only those with legendary armor. ( carrot ignored, still not gonna do RAIDS )
    According to the data at gw2Eff, 9% of those registered there have completed the precursor questing for Envoy.

    They 'could' monetize it and make it helpful for all gear types like ascended then more people would benefit.

    Templates pretty much ruined the point of legendary utility with how stat swapping and upgrades work with them. The value of ascended skyrocketed because of templates.

    A legendary armory is necessary to put legendaries back up to how useful they were. The whole point is that it only benefits legendary equipment because it is that valuable.

    Not to mention it made it 1000% more tedious to switch gear between characters. That one single update switched my mindset from "oh wow my legendary gear is useful, I can switch it between toons so easy" to "kitten my life I've gotta remove it from all templates, remember what template had what stats and runes, gotta resocket the runes on the new toon (also infusions if you need those), and then do it all again when switching back". Talk about gutting high end gear convenience with one single patch.

    Its not even about convenience for me.

    The legendary armory would give me a goal in gw2 again.

    My long time goal of 39k AP is done with this update.

    Really need something to work on.

    Legendary skins are the only thing I've got left to work on in this game. I got one of each armor class via raiding, just got the newest trinkets and weapons to go. However if the armory is monetised I'll be straight up quitting. I'm so done with the greedy and manipulative monetisation tactics.

    My policy is if you want money from me, release an expac. The LS episodes are free, therefore I won't be manipulated into pity buying things off the gemstore. If they wanted cash for it they should have released it at a cost.

    BS!

    This feature remains a optional QoL. So if they want gems for it, it's fine.
    Or they can go the other route, offer you all upgrades for free... and when they release a LS episode, thec charge 400 gems for each... let's see how you would like that idea...

    People need to stop demanding to have everything for free.

    I'm not demanding it for free. Had there been yet another expac I would have purchased it. You're trying and failing to put words in my mouth. I've spent literal thousands of real dollars on this game over just paying for the expacs. Don't pretend like I'm trying to unfairly demand for something for free. You don't have an ounce of a clue mate.

    The idea that it's ok to release a QoL that you pay for has only been ok in this community. It's not and never will be ok to charge for a QoL in ANY game. People who think that it is are those who won't be the ones having to fork out for it. The lack of empathy is so completely astounding. There's such a mindset of "it won't affect me/the "majority" so it doesn't matter", yet when the people who are and will be affected by it say it's not right, they're lambasted and ridiculed and told to just pay up. I'm fed up with the practice and the people who espouse that it's ok. It's not and I won't be supporting developers who do this.

    Disagreement =/= "negativity"
    Criticism =/= "hate"

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mauzi.5892 said:
    BS!

    This feature remains a optional QoL. So if they want gems for it, it's fine.
    Or they can go the other route, offer you all upgrades for free... and when they release a LS episode, thec charge 400 gems for each... let's see how you would like that idea...

    People need to stop demanding to have everything for free.

    They charge per equipment and build slot. Legendary equipment is supposed to benefit from that and it really doesn't. They need to fix it because the cost is already implemented in the template purchases.

    People need to stop trying to sabotage the player base who already pays by implying they don't pay at all.

  • @Fire Attunement.9835 A lot of the negativity regarding this feature is centered around the possible monetizing of it. Would you be able to comment if the Armoury will cost Gems to unlock/utilize? Or if it will be a flat QoL update available to all players (F2P/Core onwards)?

  • Killerassel.2197Killerassel.2197 Member ✭✭✭

    I know I'm late to the party. I haven't read the whole thread, but the part I am interested in is how skins and dyes will be handled.

    Do I have to use the same skin and dyes for all characters or can I assign them individually? Could I, e.g., dye my necromancer's armor green and my elementalist's red? Could my guardian wear the default legy skins and my warrior cultural armor? And if so, I assume this would only cost transmutation charges to set up initially, not per switch, right?

    Bonus points if I can assign colors and skins per template tab. This would not only allow me to see at first glance if I'm wearing my heal/support or my damage gear but also allow more variety.

    I used armor as example, because it has dyes and race limitations. But using different skins per char could be interesting for weapons, too.

    I'm sure someone has already suggested this. But I'm hoping for one of the "updates [...] in the coming months" to address this and many other questions.

  • Raizel.1839Raizel.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    Can we have a word about the ETA please?

  • kimtingen.6472kimtingen.6472 Member ✭✭
    edited June 2, 2020

    I like it, don't even have anything negative so say about your idea here, I think it's great and about time. Though.. I've never been a great fan of your Legendary weapons and armors. It all comes down to taste, of course. Everyone have things they like and dislike when it comes to design and for me that goes for most of the Legendary stuff, don't get me wrong here. I do like the effects of them, they are cool, well.. Except for that damned sound effect on "The Dreamer" short bow. The bow itself look great and I love the horse shoe footprints. But.. As I said, it all comes down to taste, though what I would like to see added to the family of Legendary's is Legendary effect infusions that allow us to select, or imbue then with attribute and agony resistance value. These infusions would add special effects to equipment, like footprints on boots, weapon trails, hit effects on weapons, and more.

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Since it’s still WIP and needs feedback on the design of how it ends up:

    • Equipment Panel (where you are clicking on individual equipment slots and can drag items over to the equipment slots) should be split into two boxes. The top box is what we currently see based on what is in your inventory. The bottom box is labeled “Legendary Armory” and contains a pseudo inventory with all legendary equipment that can be equipped (filtered for profession and slot selected).
    • Backend: Account binding a legendary unlocks one usable copy in the Legendary Armory. The original copy of the legendary may still be equipped from the normal inventory if the item is on that character.
    • Additional Feature: Visit an NPC with multiple copies of the same legendary in your regular inventory to add an additional copy of that legendary to the Legendary Armory. Only allows a maximum of two usable legendary weapons of the same name.

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  • Akronox.8251Akronox.8251 Member ✭✭

    I see a lot of people confused and I was also surprised when the feedback that the feature was still in development came in. Then I read again the first post. They meant the next "update" for the templates feature is the legendary armory but the way it was said could be understood as the legendary armory will be in the next game update.
    They had to monetize the gear templates because those give you extra inventory slots but they should not have monetized the build templates in the same way. I would also have given at least 3 gear templates (one for each game mode). I believe account wide gear template for a higher price would make them more attractive.
    Regarding legendary owners, they got almost nothing with that update. The gear template value also lies in the extra slots so people with ascended gear and 2 different builds gained potentially up to 16 slots in their inventory, people in the same situation with all legendary gear earned 0 slots.
    I think the idea of Anet is to give legendary gear more relevance again so I don't think they will monetize this feature. I also have the feeling that they are pushing people to make legendaries. Look at the number of mystic clovers the reward track of the new map give compared to the old ones. Look at all the T6 you get on the new map. There is also for the first time a PVE reward track that gives you clovers.

  • @Akronox.8251 said: There is also for the first time a PVE reward track that gives you clovers.

    What is this reward track. Haven’t seen it?