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are 1 shot meme builds ok

Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited March 23, 2020 in PVP

just curious

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for all the junior detectives out there; yes, 1 shots also mean a bunch of skills that kill a player in a very short time frame. I would also add combos that take away 75% of hp making re-sustain impossible.

are 1 shot meme builds ok 75 votes

yes - cuz full glass and i like farming lowbies
40% 30 votes
no - either my team gets farmed or the memer is a free kill so basically 4v5 afk win
60% 45 votes

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  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Who says a 1 shot build is a meme or only meant for farming “noobies”

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    Edit Duplicated post

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There is a reason mostly salties play those builds :lol:

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2020

    One shots aren't one shots anymore, and classes can't pull them off without running glass. I fought a glass warrior a while back who surprise instagibed our entire team in the first mid fight.

    It caught us off guard, but we adapted and were able to play around her easily for the rest of the match. One mistake and she was dead.

    If you want to run a high risk high reward build, more power to you.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    im sold on the meme part

  • Ysmir.4986Ysmir.4986 Member ✭✭✭

    It's high risk high reward

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ysmir.4986 said:
    It's high risk high reward

    @Kuma.1503 said:
    If you want to run a high risk high reward build, more power to you.

    They aren't high risk high reward at all, they are just lucky builds.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    what builds are 1shot right now, tell me, I wanna play them

  • @Khalisto.5780 said:
    what builds are 1shot right now, tell me, I wanna play them

    Overheat holo

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Flandre.2870 said:
    only kitten players main oneshot specs
    change my mind

    There was a point where I was so bored with this game, that only the upset of enemies who got memed on kept me around. What is a oneshot spec in this meta though?

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    One shot is usually a series of skills.

    While Mesmer might have a series that all hit at the same time there aren’t too many that actually one shot.

    And with the sustain going around atm the only way anyone is dying is if their opponents can actually do their entire health bar over a sequence of skills (half hp if you are targeting a necro lol).

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  • 1 shot is an archetype that should always exist in the game, but never be meta.

    Personally I think that's the way it should be.

    Right now it's really good since in 2v2s you can more directly adapt to the 1shot and a 1 shot build has to dedicate alot of resources into actually killing someone in 2 shot

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm kinda in the middle.

    If they do lots damage but have really low sustain, like the way rangers have to do to deal with those 14k mauls or whatever, makes sense.

    One-shot from invis? no

    One-shots while spamming cc and going ham while also having defense? no.

    I can forgive multiple classes for having massive dmg.

    Warriors: You can kinda see where their rifle shots are going, so it might very well be possible to evade it.
    Rangers with longbow 3:Its channeling so you can evade out of its range and can hide behind. and maul can also be evaded the same with its pet attack.
    I haven't figured out how to deal with mesmers just yet, they are tricky.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭

    I like them, there is really no reason why a player who uses 5 or more skills in a short time shouldn't defeat the opponent quickly.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Id rather we didnt have meme oneshot builds. Or perhaps, to put it better, no instant oneshot without reaction. Something like getting "oneshot" by photonic blasting module or a max malice Deaths Judgment or some Churning Earth nonsense is fine.

  • Highlie.7641Highlie.7641 Member ✭✭✭

    First few years of gw2 I played s/d bruiser
    then I played d/d glass.

    Anyone saying a bruiser spec is harder to play is delusional. your effectively saying it's harder to face tank things then it is to dodge everything.

  • Substance E.4852Substance E.4852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is a game that gives every class 2 free invulnerability windows to avoid skill damage/effects entirely

    The idea that you shouldn't be able to build in such a way that you both rely heavily on those as well as heavily punish those who don't use them is silly

    People just get cranky because said meme builds often gank people who are already distracted and no one enjoys that so they take it out on the build when they probably would have lost the 2v1 no matter what showed up

    The more you move from "high risk, high reward" the less rotations matter and the more dull combat becomes. It's why people hate fighting bunker builds.

  • So long it's not coming from stealth or 1500 range I'm fine with it.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • @Flandre.2870 said:
    only kitten players main oneshot specs
    change my mind

    Big words from someone abusing every broken spec to the fullest extent.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭

    The only things that do one shot can do nothing else than one shot (at least for soulbeast)

    So yeah it can stay,because who ever is using it, is helping the enemy's instead of his team.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    interesting interesting. good info, didn't think the community would be so split on this.

  • Ario.8964Ario.8964 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Imo, it simply comes down to principle. 1 shot builds are fundamentally broken because when they work (as in they pull off their combo without screwing it up) there is little to no counterplay. You can't dodge what you don't know is coming, that's called luck. That doesn't mean burst shouldn't exist or everything should be a bruiser, it just means that there is a threshold when dmg is too high for a short period and everything needs to be kept below that. You can argue that with condi or healing as well. At a certain point, the variable in question will become too high and there will be no counterplay to it outside of luck or overwhelm it with numbers.

    In short, no. 1 shot memes are not okay from a game health standpoint.

  • Liewec.2896Liewec.2896 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2020

    i'm sure you could have loaded the answers a little bit more.
    but yeah, if i'm sitting on 11k hp with no escapes, stun breakers or condi clears, all so i can burst like a freaking nuclear bomb, i think that is a fair trade.
    and i'm sure the necros sitting on an effective 70k healthpool who can click their shroud skill twice to kill me will think its fair too.

  • FrownyClown.8402FrownyClown.8402 Member ✭✭✭

    I for one have a terrible time on ele with one shot builds. It's funny though, the only 1 shot builds I can think of is signet thief, shatter mesmer, and ranger all of which try to burst from stealth. Even engi will stealth up give themselves 25 might stacks and 1 shot you

  • Fantasylife.7981Fantasylife.7981 Member ✭✭✭

    1 shot builds required no skill, why would I want that.

  • one shot builds are fine if counterable and if they leave the person behind basically 90% vulnerable. Like if they blow their shot and fail then they are out in the wake of the sharks. This works mostly for thief who relies on initiative and long cooldowns, revs when in a burst build and lack defense, and ele's who are the squishiest who rely on speccing in complete defense if wanting to survive like other classes. Most other classes have massive amounts of innate defense in which it becomes overpowered to have strong burst but these classes have a full investment of their damage at the tradeoff of having few defenses. But I am not counting ele and rev's ability to also have extremely strong sustain, but they sacrifice a lot of spike damage to be able to survive in those circumstances.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    In the current meta it still takes a fair amount of skill to "one-shot" anyone though. We have rampant area denial in almost every match between necros, dagger/focus eles and tempests, scrappers with relentless cc's littering a point, condi revs, and sometimes burn guards. Sure you can gank somebody on the way to a point but in most of the ranked games I've seen I wouldn't want to play anything that relied on a one-shot burst combo like power mes or soulbeast or whatever because it's just impractical. You either get blasted by area denial, constant cleave from pretty much everywhere, and condi galore.

    Not to mention if you one shot too many times in a match the enemy team will likely start focusing you as a priority making you constantly fighting for survival instead of being a useful plus 1 like you intended.

    I do think they're necessary however. With the bunker meta you need either need to all focus and cc certain builds or have one person capable of delivering enough burst to at least pressure them off the point.

    And as far as rev goes, they do have a lot of sustain and damage but, at least to someone like me who isn't good at rev anyway, it takes a lot of skill and almost luck to actually "one shot" anyone. I think if anything you'd be mainly looking at core mes - which is kind of a one-trick pony and has very little cleanse and has to be timed just right for full effect, or soulbeast which is... what... longbow 4, longbow 2, merge with pet, teleport to them, maul and world breaker or whatever? I don't know. I don't play ranger. Other than some annoyingly tanky soulbeasts they don't really bother me. Core ranger is far worse if built for it, especially with the broken pet damage. I think an owl crit me for like a 7k swoop the other night. I mean, why? lmao

    Oh, and deadeyes can be annoying but that's nothing new and they're generally useless in 5v5 anyway.