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  • @Silent Shino.7239 said:
    I decided to check the wvw matchups for old times sake because I figured what the hey. My beloved AG has been linked up with Riverside.

    Kitten

    Well it works for the moment. Last time AG was a bunch of roamers, no teamplay, no teamspeak/discord, which was the reason the last WvW Guild left and went to Desolation at the end of the link.

  • @Jilora.9524 said:

    @apoko.5246 said:
    Why is the reason for not giving Piken a link? do you not like the server in over a year we have had 1 link. we struggle in tier 4/5 until we had a link yes we are a full server but 95% is PVE, our WVW team is minimal at the best of times but you know this. Why do other servers always get a link who have a high population. Give me a valid reason to why we keep not getting a link. Also lots will be leaving over next 8 weeks had enough of this bull-kitten

    Because you stack. You were full no link everyone left. So many left you dropped down to medium. Then you were medium and got a link. What did you do? You all transferred back and loaded up the link to play in T1/T2. You put so many hours in so again you became full and were top 3 in hours so no link. Stop playing innocent. It's just like BG in NA. Any time there is a link added you both get to play in T1/T2 because you constantly abuse the system. So leave just like last time and come back in 7 weeks when you med with a link again

    Simply get your facts right, we are not full by any means in WVW, we were 3rd in t2 on last week so would have gone down to tier 3 with a link. There are servers that are full that still get links, every time. this is not a one off as I have stated we had one link in a year. so stop talking abouit last time as if it was meaningfull, we have been in tier 4/5 for majority of the year.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭

    @apoko.5246 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @apoko.5246 said:
    Why is the reason for not giving Piken a link? do you not like the server in over a year we have had 1 link. we struggle in tier 4/5 until we had a link yes we are a full server but 95% is PVE, our WVW team is minimal at the best of times but you know this. Why do other servers always get a link who have a high population. Give me a valid reason to why we keep not getting a link. Also lots will be leaving over next 8 weeks had enough of this bull-kitten

    Because you stack. You were full no link everyone left. So many left you dropped down to medium. Then you were medium and got a link. What did you do? You all transferred back and loaded up the link to play in T1/T2. You put so many hours in so again you became full and were top 3 in hours so no link. Stop playing innocent. It's just like BG in NA. Any time there is a link added you both get to play in T1/T2 because you constantly abuse the system. So leave just like last time and come back in 7 weeks when you med with a link again

    Simply get your facts right, we are not full by any means in WVW, we were 3rd in t2 on last week so would have gone down to tier 3 with a link. There are servers that are full that still get links, every time. this is not a one off as I have stated we had one link in a year. so stop talking abouit last time as if it was meaningfull, we have been in tier 4/5 for majority of the year.

    Yeah make an alt account to comment for the 1st time like we have no idea who Piken players are. You are full now because you all transferred back. We know the drill. Piken is full and has nobody. Piken gets a link and stacks up to full again. Piken gets no link andcomplains we can't play with our guildies and why are we full and anet look at threshold. All Piken transfers off to new bandwagon area then comes running back when medium again. You get you facts straight.

    WvW bandwagoners have small D's and never left their house even before Covid19

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2020

    You are basically saying the linking system is flawed which is true, but Alliances aren't going to be here anytime soon, so server populations can't be measured or kept under control that accurately or fast enough without a better system in place.

  • @phreeak.1023 said:

    @Silent Shino.7239 said:
    I decided to check the wvw matchups for old times sake because I figured what the hey. My beloved AG has been linked up with Riverside.

    Kitten

    Well it works for the moment. Last time AG was a bunch of roamers, no teamplay, no teamspeak/discord, which was the reason the last WvW Guild left and went to Desolation at the end of the link.

    Pretty sure they left because RS did nothing but PPT in the morning which pushed us up and then when the other servers came out to play the RS ppl logged off. But I guess we all have our own version of the truth.

    Random pug scum

  • erKo.9586erKo.9586 Member ✭✭

    Thanks for last week Riverside, now we have to fight eachother again ;) //Far shiverpeaks

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭
    edited March 31, 2020

    @hallonknopp.6532 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:

    @Silent Shino.7239 said:
    I decided to check the wvw matchups for old times sake because I figured what the hey. My beloved AG has been linked up with Riverside.

    Kitten

    Well it works for the moment. Last time AG was a bunch of roamers, no teamplay, no teamspeak/discord, which was the reason the last WvW Guild left and went to Desolation at the end of the link.

    Pretty sure they left because RS did nothing but PPT in the morning which pushed us up and then when the other servers came out to play the RS ppl logged off. But I guess we all have our own version of the truth.

    The truth is, i was on their discord and they said it. Very few ppl cared for coordinated leads with discord/Teamspeak on AG. Tbats why most people from BAD (now SALT) left.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 1, 2020

    I love how Anet keeps fairly active servers with links, open for cheap mass transfers for weeks and months and with a fairly active host, to create another potential host server as other servers are full, before it probably dies on the next relink, as people buy gems to transfer off in numbers, which creates chaos for the Server, due to the queues.

    Maybe they will shrink it back to Four Tiers again next time again or make relinking once a month for a couple of months, because I don't know what they will do next, as long as Alliances never happens in the next 2-3 years.

  • MarkBecks.6453MarkBecks.6453 Member ✭✭✭

    Linking was a means to an end to encourage some lower tier servers to still be able to join the game and have fun because of the population, that was 3 years ago. This game is very frustrating when Developers continue to ignore the plea of WvW players. Please take a moment to consider the damage this is causing, because if WvW is the tool for marking active servers due to activity, how can you look at current MU and say its an accurate system. The current linking system is terrible, and the only way you will get an accurate indicator is to change the system of bandwagoning and lock the servers for first 2 weeks so you can get accurate information. I realise this is a business, and you need the income, but to the detriment of the game, you will continue to lose players at alarming rate. Look at the guild activities, 300 guild members, 20-30 players left, 270 have not played for months and some years, and that's most guilds. Is their any feedback on Alliance which are now also a long time overdue. Save the game, change the system.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    I love how Anet keeps bandwagon link servers open for cheap mass transfers for weeks and months, to create another potential host server as other servers are full, before it probably dies on the next relink, as people buy gems to transfer off in numbers.

    Maybe they will shrink it back to Four Tiers again next time again or make relinking once a month for a couple of months, because I don't know what they will do next, as long as Alliances never happens in the next 2-3 years.

    Their main revenue stream is WvW players who can't stand losing and have to stack up so they can K-train. There must be 100's of transfers every re-link and yes the system promotes stacking then that server becomes full so they either stack a new one or stack the link of an already strong one.

  • Len.1879Len.1879 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2020

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    I love how Anet keeps bandwagon link servers open for cheap mass transfers for weeks and months, to create another potential host server as other servers are full, before it probably dies on the next relink, as people buy gems to transfer off in numbers.

    Maybe they will shrink it back to Four Tiers again next time again or make relinking once a month for a couple of months, because I don't know what they will do next, as long as Alliances never happens in the next 2-3 years.

    Their main revenue stream is WvW players who can't stand losing and have to stack up so they can K-train. There must be 100's of transfers every re-link and yes the system promotes stacking then that server becomes full so they either stack a new one or stack the link of an already strong one.

    This argument always struck me as odd. Let's do some quick math!
    For the sake of the argument, let's assume they all transfer to a very highly populated server (1800 gems) and pay them entirely with real currency, not through gold. 800 gems selling for 10 €/$, that is 22,5 €/$ per transfer. Hundreds of transfers every relink, you say? Let's assume 500? That's 11250 €/$ per two months. Let's assume that is net money ANet actually makes, no taxes or whatever deduced from it.

    I just took an arbitrary website 1 to estimate how much a software developer makes and it seems to be roughly around $ 71,200 per year, that is $ 5,933 per month. So one software developer would eat the entire revenue from what I have assumed here they make through server transfers. According to LinkedIn 2 ArenaNet has somewhat between 200 and 500 employees. Obviously not all of them are software developers and their salary will probably differ from the ~6k I talked about above.

    But I somehow doubt the whole server transfer business is as lucrative for ANet as some players like to picture it. So if we could maybe stop that narrative, that would be great.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2020

    @Len.1879 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    I love how Anet keeps bandwagon link servers open for cheap mass transfers for weeks and months, to create another potential host server as other servers are full, before it probably dies on the next relink, as people buy gems to transfer off in numbers.

    Maybe they will shrink it back to Four Tiers again next time again or make relinking once a month for a couple of months, because I don't know what they will do next, as long as Alliances never happens in the next 2-3 years.

    Their main revenue stream is WvW players who can't stand losing and have to stack up so they can K-train. There must be 100's of transfers every re-link and yes the system promotes stacking then that server becomes full so they either stack a new one or stack the link of an already strong one.

    This argument always struck me as odd. Let's do some quick math!
    For the sake of the argument, let's assume they all transfer to a very highly populated server (1800 gems) and pay them entirely with real currency, not through gold. 800 gems selling for 10 €/$, that is 22,5 €/$ per transfer. Hundreds of transfers every relink, you say? Let's assume 500? That's 11250 €/$ per two months. Let's assume that is net money ANet actually makes, no taxes or whatever deduced from it.

    I just took an arbitrary website [1] to estimate how much a software developer makes and it seems to be roughly around $ 71,200 per year, that is $ 5,933 per month. So one software developer would eat the entire revenue from what I have assumed here they make through server transfers. According to LinkedIn [2] ArenaNet has somewhat between 200 and 500 employees. Obviously not all of them are software developers and their salary will probably differ from the ~6k I talked about above.

    But I somehow doubt the whole server transfer business is as lucrative for ANet as some players like to picture it. So if we could maybe stop that narrative, that would be great.

    [1]: https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Developer/Salary
    [2]: https://www.linkedin.com/company/arenanet/about/

    If you could not go all let's be 100 percent serious that would be great. I'm sorry I forgot to put main revenue source from WvW as there are few skins. Obviously the original purchase of the game then gem store would rank far higher but I'm sure WvW transfers covers or nets a profit vs the amount of time they devout to WvW. My mind sees one dude every 2 months drawing servers out of a hat so yeah not high maintenance. Sometimes you can be too smart for your own good

  • I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 1, 2020

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    It's only been less than week though. People generally still move around if they want to move, especially if a link server stays high or medium pop for a couple of weeks.

    Some Guilds might end up stacking on a link server, with a host that has plenty of Guilds already; who might Raid in WvW at the same times and days of the week, as some move without asking someone from a host server about the state of the server.

  • Moz.3452Moz.3452 Member ✭✭

    @apoko.5246 said:
    Also lots will be leaving over next 8 weeks had enough of this bull-kitten

    Can you tell them to hurry up and go then please?

  • @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    Which server? No queues on prime time. Outnumbered almost all the time on Desolation, which is supposedly "full" server (Arenanet should change their metrics or update them more often).

  • @Deniara Devious.3948 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    Which server? No queues on prime time. Outnumbered almost all the time on Desolation, which is supposedly "full" server (Arenanet should change their metrics or update them more often).

    GH+FoW.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Deniara Devious.3948 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    Which server? No queues on prime time. Outnumbered almost all the time on Desolation, which is supposedly "full" server (Arenanet should change their metrics or update them more often).

    @Deniara Devious.3948 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    Which server? No queues on prime time. Outnumbered almost all the time on Desolation, which is supposedly "full" server (Arenanet should change their metrics or update them more often).

    Deso dominates for months. Severely outnumbering opponents. 5 days it takes for 1 to "full server" anet better check metrics. 5 days. You had a dude make a thread he wanted no link. Now you gonna act like anet messed up

  • Streaking.9065Streaking.9065 Member
    edited April 2, 2020
  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2020

    T1 EU is actually balanced in terms of PPT this week, even though it doesn't really matter who wins T1 anymore. Being perma T1 for 5 months has not been worth it.

    It does seem a bit one sided in terms of fights or pretty inactive, as alot of guilds left Deso during the last link, but you'll have to wait a couple of weeks until each server starts to settle in their right tiers.

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MarkBecks.6453 said:
    Linking was a means to an end to encourage some lower tier servers to still be able to join the game and have fun because of the population, that was 3 years ago.

    Actually, it'll be 4 years on April 22nd.

  • Hey all,

    Which server/linking (NA) PPTs the most? Looking to level wvw rank

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭
    edited April 4, 2020

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    T1 EU is actually balanced in terms of PPT this week, even though it doesn't really matter who wins T1 anymore. Being perma T1 for 5 months has not been worth it.

    It does seem a bit one sided in terms of fights or pretty inactive, as alot of guilds left Deso during the last link, but you'll have to wait a couple of weeks until each server starts to settle in their right tiers.

    We are now T1 and i am happy if we drop out again. Underworld ist just pptn and running away from everything. They let WSR alone.

    That's result till now (reset was only yesterday) in 2 servers vs 1, because one server is afraid of the other one and the other server is bored of the other one. Dont think it's getting any better this week than fighting on homes and ebg against 2 blobs constantly and can't upgrade anything.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    nothing special. Common linking as always.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    @phreeak.1023 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    T1 EU is actually balanced in terms of PPT this week, even though it doesn't really matter who wins T1 anymore. Being perma T1 for 5 months has not been worth it.

    It does seem a bit one sided in terms of fights or pretty inactive, as alot of guilds left Deso during the last link, but you'll have to wait a couple of weeks until each server starts to settle in their right tiers.

    We are now T1 and i am happy if we drop out again. Underworld ist just pptn and running away from everything. They let WSR alone.

    That's result till now (reset was only yesterday) in 2 servers vs 1, because one server is afraid of the other one and the other server is bored of the other one. Dont think it's getting any better this week than fighting on homes and ebg against 2 blobs constantly and can't upgrade anything.

    2v1 is normal, especially against the weaker or stronger server on a map where one server is disorganized, but most servers couldn't' be bothered or lacked the population and coverage to 'win' Skirmishes day or night so it would be pointless. WSR was double our kd after the relink which wasn't a surprise, because they still have a strong community with commanders, pugs and guilds.

    We used to have a good WvW community, but all we have left is a few guilds, few fight commanders, night cappers and pugs who won't just cloud around off tag and wipe against more organized servers/zergs. It's only partly Anet's fault too, since Links allow people to stack on some servers by coincidence or not, which causes queues and imbalance like in the previous T1. We only won every match up with the last link, because of Chatmanders and overpopulation, now we have to wait for Deso to open or wait for the relink.

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    Desos doing okay> @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    T1 EU is actually balanced in terms of PPT this week, even though it doesn't really matter who wins T1 anymore. Being perma T1 for 5 months has not been worth it.

    It does seem a bit one sided in terms of fights or pretty inactive, as alot of guilds left Deso during the last link, but you'll have to wait a couple of weeks until each server starts to settle in their right tiers.

    We are now T1 and i am happy if we drop out again. Underworld ist just pptn and running away from everything. They let WSR alone.

    That's result till now (reset was only yesterday) in 2 servers vs 1, because one server is afraid of the other one and the other server is bored of the other one. Dont think it's getting any better this week than fighting on homes and ebg against 2 blobs constantly and can't upgrade anything.

    2v1 is normal, especially against the weaker or stronger server on a map where one server is disorganized, but most servers couldn't' be bothered or lacked the population and coverage to 'win' Skirmishes day or night so it would be pointless. WSR was double our kd after the relink which wasn't a surprise, because they still have a strong community with commanders, pugs and guilds.

    We used to have a good WvW community, but all we have left is a few guilds, few fight commanders, night cappers and pugs who won't just cloud around off tag and wipe against more organized servers/zergs. It's only partly Anet's fault too, since Links allow people to stack on some servers by coincidence or not, which causes queues and imbalance like in the previous T1. We only won every match up with the last link, because of Chatmanders and overpopulation, now we have to wait for Deso to open or wait for the relink.

    Nah, people are definitely getting more active on Desolation now that they're needed. It is just GH gives WSR vibes they gave up logging in so fast. GH link FoW has at least 7 guilds ((FaLL, PT, Ng, Dmon, Jd, TLS, BB) + vabbi boys now. Guildless group just can't beat guildful ones.

    But yea Deso hopefully opens up tommorow as Very High and then we get a few nice 1800 gem long-term people in. Overall state of WvW on Deso is much better now than with a link because there is at least something to do even if we can gather max 30 in squad for now against these little overstacked servers.

    Ri Ba - WvW Commander, scout, innovator
    Social Experiment [sX] leader
    Desolation+Alt
    Diamond Legend

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Threather.9354 said:
    Desos doing okay> @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    T1 EU is actually balanced in terms of PPT this week, even though it doesn't really matter who wins T1 anymore. Being perma T1 for 5 months has not been worth it.

    It does seem a bit one sided in terms of fights or pretty inactive, as alot of guilds left Deso during the last link, but you'll have to wait a couple of weeks until each server starts to settle in their right tiers.

    We are now T1 and i am happy if we drop out again. Underworld ist just pptn and running away from everything. They let WSR alone.

    That's result till now (reset was only yesterday) in 2 servers vs 1, because one server is afraid of the other one and the other server is bored of the other one. Dont think it's getting any better this week than fighting on homes and ebg against 2 blobs constantly and can't upgrade anything.

    2v1 is normal, especially against the weaker or stronger server on a map where one server is disorganized, but most servers couldn't' be bothered or lacked the population and coverage to 'win' Skirmishes day or night so it would be pointless. WSR was double our kd after the relink which wasn't a surprise, because they still have a strong community with commanders, pugs and guilds.

    We used to have a good WvW community, but all we have left is a few guilds, few fight commanders, night cappers and pugs who won't just cloud around off tag and wipe against more organized servers/zergs. It's only partly Anet's fault too, since Links allow people to stack on some servers by coincidence or not, which causes queues and imbalance like in the previous T1. We only won every match up with the last link, because of Chatmanders and overpopulation, now we have to wait for Deso to open or wait for the relink.

    Nah, people are definitely getting more active on Desolation now that they're needed. It is just GH gives WSR vibes they gave up logging in so fast. GH link FoW has at least 7 guilds ((FaLL, PT, Ng, Dmon, Jd, TLS, BB) + vabbi boys now. Guildless group just can't beat guildful ones.

    But yea Deso hopefully opens up tommorow as Very High and then we get a few nice 1800 gem long-term people in. Overall state of WvW on Deso is much better now than with a link because there is at least something to do even if we can gather max 30 in squad for now against these little overstacked servers.

    You seem confused on how stuff works. If you are playing more hours to compete since you no longer have an overstacked link you aren't dropping to VH anytime soon. It takes weeks. Like Piken is last in most hours atm and they won't drop for a bit nvm you with a ton hours are def not dropping till guilds leave and your server collapses. So If your thread asking for no link was intended for you to drop to Vh so you could stack more barring an anet mess up no that isn't going to happen. You will burn yourself out trying to compete more guilds will leave if you keep dropping tiers etc a more likely outcome

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Threather.9354 said:
    Desos doing okay> @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    T1 EU is actually balanced in terms of PPT this week, even though it doesn't really matter who wins T1 anymore. Being perma T1 for 5 months has not been worth it.

    It does seem a bit one sided in terms of fights or pretty inactive, as alot of guilds left Deso during the last link, but you'll have to wait a couple of weeks until each server starts to settle in their right tiers.

    We are now T1 and i am happy if we drop out again. Underworld ist just pptn and running away from everything. They let WSR alone.

    That's result till now (reset was only yesterday) in 2 servers vs 1, because one server is afraid of the other one and the other server is bored of the other one. Dont think it's getting any better this week than fighting on homes and ebg against 2 blobs constantly and can't upgrade anything.

    2v1 is normal, especially against the weaker or stronger server on a map where one server is disorganized, but most servers couldn't' be bothered or lacked the population and coverage to 'win' Skirmishes day or night so it would be pointless. WSR was double our kd after the relink which wasn't a surprise, because they still have a strong community with commanders, pugs and guilds.

    We used to have a good WvW community, but all we have left is a few guilds, few fight commanders, night cappers and pugs who won't just cloud around off tag and wipe against more organized servers/zergs. It's only partly Anet's fault too, since Links allow people to stack on some servers by coincidence or not, which causes queues and imbalance like in the previous T1. We only won every match up with the last link, because of Chatmanders and overpopulation, now we have to wait for Deso to open or wait for the relink.

    Nah, people are definitely getting more active on Desolation now that they're needed. It is just GH gives WSR vibes they gave up logging in so fast. GH link FoW has at least 7 guilds ((FaLL, PT, Ng, Dmon, Jd, TLS, BB) + vabbi boys now. Guildless group just can't beat guildful ones.

    But yea Deso hopefully opens up tommorow as Very High and then we get a few nice 1800 gem long-term people in. Overall state of WvW on Deso is much better now than with a link because there is at least something to do even if we can gather max 30 in squad for now against these little overstacked servers.

    You seem confused on how stuff works. If you are playing more hours to compete since you no longer have an overstacked link you aren't dropping to VH anytime soon. It takes weeks. Like Piken is last in most hours atm and they won't drop for a bit nvm you with a ton hours are def not dropping till guilds leave and your server collapses. So If your thread asking for no link was intended for you to drop to Vh so you could stack more barring an anet mess up no that isn't going to happen. You will burn yourself out trying to compete more guilds will leave if you keep dropping tiers etc a more likely outcome

    Hehe, well we will just play with what we got then, its not a big deal. And our guilds already left ages ago, our server doesn't function around them. We aren't burning out, we are just trying out best with what we got, which happens to be 30 man groups farming 60 man groups with acs and cannons :p Just eventually enemies will stop hitting our stuff because playing 60 v 30 isn't very fun for them (either 1-push us or get clouded/sieged down). Deso isn't stacked, just 3 full maps of people wanted to be on our 500 gem link without committing longterm because we play smart.

    Ri Ba - WvW Commander, scout, innovator
    Social Experiment [sX] leader
    Desolation+Alt
    Diamond Legend

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    So, Anet wanted to test 4 Tiers in EU . . .

    The analysis: players dont spend money for transfers because they suddenly have fun with their current MM linkings

    The consequences: Anet reverts back to 5 Tiers :p

  • DeWolfe.2174DeWolfe.2174 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    Every match is a blowout in NA that's not worth playing. Why Devs??? Why would you cause this with such linking?

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2020

    @Deniara Devious.3948 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    Which server? No queues on prime time. Outnumbered almost all the time on Desolation, which is supposedly "full" server (Arenanet should change their metrics or update them more often).

    Yep, the problem is prime time is dead without our 2 guild Raids, but also there are too many people night/morning capping like this week, which keeps our activity high enough that we stay locked.

    Although many people have time off because of the worldwide quarantine, we would just get demolished in T1, with this current population.

  • L A T I O N.8923L A T I O N.8923 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Deniara Devious.3948 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    I am glad it is 5 tiers again. The queues were insane lately. Now they are still bad at times, but at least one map is open most of the time.

    Which server? No queues on prime time. Outnumbered almost all the time on Desolation, which is supposedly "full" server (Arenanet should change their metrics or update them more often).

    Blackgate flashbacks

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Really?! What the? Gah!

    Thief OP? Better nerf Scourge ... again.
    Hashtag BlameMcLain

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So I hope I never have to see a WSR is a fight server, we dont care about ppt, ever again =)
    Turns out they dont want deso to have a link because they they will get outppt-ed.

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What date is the next relink happening?

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 25, 2020

    May the 29th.

  • @aspirine.6852 said:
    So I hope I never have to see a WSR is a fight server, we dont care about ppt, ever again =)
    Turns out they dont want deso to have a link because they they will get outppt-ed.

    and what happened - WSR-RoF link has become the AC kings. Feels like Kodash 2.0. ACs everywhere.

  • Who the hell thought this made sense? You've matched the number 1 full borderland with a high population server and matched up the other two full with medium population servers! This is utter horseshit and frankly expect to lose a lot more players in WvW over this match-up. Nobody likes being zerged 24-7, i love a challenge but one that is realistic! Total BS!
    Tier Rank Color Linked worlds (NA) Victory points
    1 1 Green Stormbluff Isle, Ferguson's Crossing 154
    1 2 Blue Tarnished Coast, Sanctum of Rall 110
    1 3 Red Blackgate, Isle of Janthir 132

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vlad Morbius.1759 said:
    Who the hell thought this made sense? You've matched the number 1 full borderland with a high population server and matched up the other two full with medium population servers! This is utter horseshit and frankly expect to lose a lot more players in WvW over this match-up. Nobody likes being zerged 24-7, i love a challenge but one that is realistic! Total BS!
    Tier Rank Color Linked worlds (NA) Victory points
    1 1 Green Stormbluff Isle, Ferguson's Crossing 154
    1 2 Blue Tarnished Coast, Sanctum of Rall 110
    1 3 Red Blackgate, Isle of Janthir 132

    That's not how it started. Sbi was high bl close to vh and FC was med. Of course this bandwagon happens and when you dominating you play more so going in the mid of the links and emo tantrum how did anet chose these match ups come on dude they didn't. Blame the players or the unlimited transfers allowed by anet if ya wanna blame them.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2020

    The Population algorithm they use is baffling, some servers adjust alot more quicker and open up, while others just end up perma closed at least in the EU.

    Alot of servers are more active due to the quarantine, but there are a few medium servers around linked to well populated hosts.

    It's not like that with an unlinked server with so few guilds, like on Deso. Maybe it will take another couple of weeks, or until WSR and RS become unlinked?

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    Yes so baffling. It's play hours. Each threshold is total play hours. So confusing.

    It's play hours? That's a good joke, but not along with your sarcastic reply.
    If they actually counted the play hours, you would find collectively there is less play hours on somewhere like Deso, who used to be active due to being linked to a stacked server, after 5 guilds, yes 5 Guilds left the host server. Now activity on here is even lower compared to the Current stacked links, but that happens with this Current linking system and it's lack of population balance, due to a bad algorithm.

  • Vlad Morbius.1759Vlad Morbius.1759 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2020

    Their algorithm was written by tossing pasta at a wall to see what sticks. If they want a taste of just how idiotic they should log in at anytime and watch how absurd their numbers are compared to other servers. Like i said I've seen people just flat out leave the game now knowing this won't get fixed until late May. No point whatsoever thinking you can move them out of top spot. WvW cannot afford to bleed more players but trust me over the next month it will and many won't ever return, sad, just sad.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    The Population algorithm they use is baffling, some servers adjust alot more quicker and open up, while others just end up perma closed at least in the EU.

    Alot of servers are more active due to the quarantine, but there are a few medium servers around linked to well populated hosts.

    It's not like that with an unlinked server with so few guilds, like on Deso. Maybe it will take another couple of weeks, or until WSR and RS become unlinked?

    Yes so baffling. It's play hours. Each threshold is total play hours. So confusing. You pass a certain amount you move up to high vh then full. Now the system is broken w transfers and anet link guy is just bad but when a server is vh and full etc is very simple. The ones that open up quickly are just a bit above so they drop and move back to full easily. Something like deso who was way past will take longer to drop as many more need to stop playing

  • Bish.8627Bish.8627 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2020

    Why doesn't this game have map faction cap like Planetside 2? So if one server has a massive numerical advantage there is an aditional que? outnumbered is only good for farming pips.

    The big overpop servers, who somehow get links and get bandwagoned to hell are killing other servers.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2020

    @Bish.8627 said:
    Why doesn't this game have map faction cap like Planetside 2? So if one server has a massive numerical advantage there is an aditional que? outnumbered is only good for farming pips.

    The big overpop servers, who somehow get links and get bandwagoned to hell are killing other servers.

    in PS2, if I'm not mistaken (was a while since I played it), you can create characters for any faction and choose to play them depending on the current faction stats.

    WvW doesnt work like that at all, so thats why.

    Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
    No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    The Population algorithm they use is baffling, some servers adjust alot more quicker and open up, while others just end up perma closed at least in the EU.

    Alot of servers are more active due to the quarantine, but there are a few medium servers around linked to well populated hosts.

    It's not like that with an unlinked server with so few guilds, like on Deso. Maybe it will take another couple of weeks, or until WSR and RS become unlinked?

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    Yes so baffling. It's play hours. Each threshold is total play hours. So confusing.

    It's play hours? That's a good joke, but not along with your sarcastic reply.
    If they actually counted the play hours, you would find collectively there is less play hours on somewhere like Deso, who used to be active due to being linked to a stacked server, after 5 guilds, yes 5 Guilds left the host server. Now activity on here is even lower compared to the Current stacked links, but that happens with this Current linking system and it's lack of population balance, due to a bad algorithm.

    Not sarcasm. Full is max. So if one server has 45k hours that's full and deso has 58k hours it's extra full so 5 guilds leaving will eventually effect full status. But of course that happened. I predicted that earlier in thread as somehow Deso got what 6 months of dominating with a link and that was everything is perfect with this algorythm. Now 1 month in and you dropping tiers and oh anet mess up plz fix immediately. You guy can't cover 24/7 now but you still out hour 60 percent of the linked servers during an 8 hour stretch and compete vs 2 server combos during that stretch you just get capped while you sleep or work. Doesn't mean you aren't still full but of course once you get the link back things will be fine again in t1 and everyone else complaining will be unheard

  • MarkBecks.6453MarkBecks.6453 Member ✭✭✭

    So, forget Alliances that will never happen as focus will now be on the revenue making next expac. So here's a temporary solution, either link the bottom least populated servers permanently so their is an even amount, so regardless of which server it is, every server will always be linked, or 2nd option after 4 years of temporary linking, just stop it, go back to unlinked. The metrics and Glicko have never solved any balance in 8 years, neither has linking. In real time, real play, single servers get double teamed all day, all night because the linked servers want to play against the easier unlinked server assuming their skill levels and brilliant play has stepped up another level, not!! Its unrealistic. Linking of some EU servers means all they do is one big blob attacking one side of the map, and another big blob the other side, and this causes the most insane lag, skill loss, and frustration. Time to make the changes Anet, youre in charge, make some decisions please, or at least let the Devs come into the BL's and experience the issues so they can solve them in real time with real solutions.

  • Sin.4130Sin.4130 Member ✭✭
    edited April 30, 2020

    Desolation has spent 6 months in T1, now is time for a 6 months in last tier - fair enough for PvE server.

  • SWI.4127SWI.4127 Member ✭✭✭

    @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    The Population algorithm they use is baffling, some servers adjust alot more quicker and open up, while others just end up perma closed at least in the EU.

    Alot of servers are more active due to the quarantine, but there are a few medium servers around linked to well populated hosts.

    It's not like that with an unlinked server with so few guilds, like on Deso. Maybe it will take another couple of weeks, or until WSR and RS become unlinked?

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:
    Yes so baffling. It's play hours. Each threshold is total play hours. So confusing.

    It's play hours? That's a good joke, but not along with your sarcastic reply.
    If they actually counted the play hours, you would find collectively there is less play hours on somewhere like Deso, who used to be active due to being linked to a stacked server, after 5 guilds, yes 5 Guilds left the host server. Now activity on here is even lower compared to the Current stacked links, but that happens with this Current linking system and it's lack of population balance, due to a bad algorithm.

    From what I've seen, it just takes their algorithm a few weeks to adjust to population changes. So it's more likely population changes over a longer period of time than most people assume. I have seen exceptions to this where they have seemed to close some servers very quickly.

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    in PS2, if I'm not mistaken (was a while since I played it), you can create characters for any faction and choose to play them depending on the current faction stats.

    It would be nice to see EoTM work this way.