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Here's the build. Everyone run it so the balance team actually does something about it.

Also, pet coefficients are broken. So you really just have to run around aimlessly and block occasionally. Constant condi clear. It's everything you could ever want. Can also run sic'em for more damage instead of protect me.

It might get fixed sometime next year.

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  • Ashkew.6584Ashkew.6584 Member ✭✭✭

    yes ranger needs to be looked at, but there is already lots of threads about this subject. basicly pets need dps nerf, but also need a buff on the sustain side of things, like a ways to clear conditions of them(our shouts were changed too commands for some hidden reason) like command skills or survival skills clearing a condition from pet.
    then the merge pork pet f1 maul needs a dps nerf, and an animation that doesnt look like i just open a candy bar

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashkew.6584 said:
    yes ranger needs to be looked at, but there is already lots of threads about this subject. basicly pets need dps nerf, but also need a buff on the sustain side of things, like a ways to clear conditions of them(our shouts were changed too commands for some hidden reason) like command skills or survival skills clearing a condition from pet.
    then the merge pork pet f1 maul needs a dps nerf, and an animation that doesnt look like i just open a candy bar

    It’s just maul in general. I mean the merge port is annoying but maul is hitting for 9k on core. It would be one thing if they were glassy like core mes and thief, but they have way too much sustain and Condi clear, stealth, blocks, and cc to be dishing out that much damage.

    Longbow is annoying but it isn’t even the issue with ranger. If you go for sic em sniper it’s good but not broken. And there is way more opportunity to counter.

  • Ashkew.6584Ashkew.6584 Member ✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:
    Could you imagine how well it would go if rangers pet did no dmg and had huge cd on their cc? they still hit real hard but I think some pets which do lots of dmg and have low sustain should continue to hit really hard.

    Then again its more of the same Q_Q can't win nerf it right?

    These kneejerk nerf threads are more destructive to GW2 than anything else.

    i dont know if its "cant win nerf it" for others, for me as ranger main its more like i see myself play bad and getting away with being bad cuz the build is so forgiving. actually not fun to see myself thinking " kitten i blew my cooldowns and messed up, i gotta kite" and then look at my enemy and seeing him almost dead cuz the pet just ate half his health bar. and feeling suprised i am actually winning the fight.

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashkew.6584 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:
    Could you imagine how well it would go if rangers pet did no dmg and had huge cd on their cc? they still hit real hard but I think some pets which do lots of dmg and have low sustain should continue to hit really hard.

    Then again its more of the same Q_Q can't win nerf it right?

    These kneejerk nerf threads are more destructive to GW2 than anything else.

    i dont know if its "cant win nerf it" for others, for me as ranger main its more like i see myself play bad and getting away with being bad cuz the build is so forgiving. actually not fun to see myself thinking " kitten i blew my cooldowns and messed up, i gotta kite" and then look at my enemy and seeing him almost dead cuz the pet just ate half his health bar. and feeling suprised i am actually winning the fight.

    Than the enemy should just kill the pet

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭

    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @cptaylor.2670 said:

    It’s just maul in general. I mean the merge port is annoying but maul is hitting for 9k on core. It would be one thing if they were glassy like core mes and thief, but they have way too much sustain and Condi clear, stealth, blocks, and cc to be dishing out that much damage.

    Yea I find this to be a problem too.
    My Rev has over 20% damage reduction through Demonic Resistance and Determined Resolution and a Maul still hits me for 5k.

    Not even Thief backstabs can hurt me that hard but somehow a Ranger can take off 1/4th of my health with a single skill while I'm stacked on damage reduction effects.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Avatar.3568 said:

    @Ashkew.6584 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:
    Could you imagine how well it would go if rangers pet did no dmg and had huge cd on their cc? they still hit real hard but I think some pets which do lots of dmg and have low sustain should continue to hit really hard.

    Then again its more of the same Q_Q can't win nerf it right?

    These kneejerk nerf threads are more destructive to GW2 than anything else.

    i dont know if its "cant win nerf it" for others, for me as ranger main its more like i see myself play bad and getting away with being bad cuz the build is so forgiving. actually not fun to see myself thinking " kitten i blew my cooldowns and messed up, i gotta kite" and then look at my enemy and seeing him almost dead cuz the pet just ate half his health bar. and feeling suprised i am actually winning the fight.

    Thaen the enemy should just kill the pet

    Ye, play a clown now like this other "ranger mains", just kill the pet, waste your cooldowns and health trying to trade with a pet and expect ranger to AFK and watch without swapping it and attacking you :joy:
    Its hilarious, so many hypocrites, these who say birds are bad are using double birds, the same PERSON in this thread said himself ranger is busted and now defending it :joy:

    Boyce and every burn guard does this against me and I can never kill them

  • dronte.3416dronte.3416 Member ✭✭

    Lmao calling out Maul as the only problem. Take a look at how the bird hits, for example. Pet coefficients are f* up right now.

    Btw both core nec and core ranger needs a nerf (focusing on pets)

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo choo with a tag all the time? There's loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    What top players? Outside the far node 1vs1, the class has zero presence : offers close to zero supports and can't really handle more than 2 badly played classes at the same time, the class has been nerfed to the ground because it doesn't really offer anything outside their 1v1 niche , despite their claims....they don't use rangers in their top teams...let's ask @bluri.2653 why there is no ranger in his team if it's so powerful.

    But enough of this pointless talk , take your bird pets whatever and let's increase the teamplay viability of rangers, so that at least the class is usable in wvw outside the even more pointless roaming as you lot like to call it, as it brings in no loot, badges..or fun.

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    I get wanting to have fun. But I’ve played maybe 10 games as a ranger and picked up this build and wound up getting top stats continuously during many of the games I played with it. If I can hop into something I don’t normally play and still perform well with it, that’s saying something because I’m not skilled at anything, much less ranger. And there’s a lot of room to make an error with this build, even in a team fight. More room than even necro. It’s just too strong.

    Pet abilities are obviously a problem but getting consistent 4K to 10k hits from a pet attack while I’m able to block, stealth, cc, and hit for 7k+ mauls or longbow 2 from a distance is pretty best up. Maybe maul can stay the same if the pet damage gets tuned down, but there’s undeniably too much going for it right now.

    Obviously this isn’t the only issues right now, but you can’t deny that it’s busted. Lol

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    @cptaylor.2670 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    I get wanting to have fun. But I’ve played maybe 10 games as a ranger and picked up this build and wound up getting top stats continuously during many of the games I played with it. If I can hop into something I don’t normally play and still perform well with it, that’s saying something because I’m not skilled at anything, much less ranger. And there’s a lot of room to make an error with this build, even in a team fight. More room than even necro. It’s just too strong.

    Pet abilities are obviously a problem but getting consistent 4K to 10k hits from a pet attack while I’m able to block, stealth, cc, and hit for 7k+ mauls or longbow 2 from a distance is pretty best up. Maybe maul can stay the same if the pet damage gets tuned down, but there’s undeniably too much going for it right now.

    Obviously this isn’t the only issues right now, but you can’t deny that it’s busted. Lol

    I have one problem with saying something is busted because strategies also change upon higher ranks.

    I kinda wonder for instance if maybe in gold plat maybe everyone just murders the pets. My issue is some people refuse to adapt.

    Take for instance lb3, it can be evaded by going behind a wall, making it much easier to LOS than say some of the burst from thief and rev aoe bombs.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @cptaylor.2670 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    I get wanting to have fun. But I’ve played maybe 10 games as a ranger and picked up this build and wound up getting top stats continuously during many of the games I played with it. If I can hop into something I don’t normally play and still perform well with it, that’s saying something because I’m not skilled at anything, much less ranger. And there’s a lot of room to make an error with this build, even in a team fight. More room than even necro. It’s just too strong.

    Pet abilities are obviously a problem but getting consistent 4K to 10k hits from a pet attack while I’m able to block, stealth, cc, and hit for 7k+ mauls or longbow 2 from a distance is pretty best up. Maybe maul can stay the same if the pet damage gets tuned down, but there’s undeniably too much going for it right now.

    Obviously this isn’t the only issues right now, but you can’t deny that it’s busted. Lol

    I have one problem with saying something is busted because strategies also change upon higher ranks.

    I kinda wonder for instance if maybe in gold plat maybe everyone just murders the pets. My issue is some people refuse to adapt.

    Take for instance lb3, it can be evaded by going behind a wall, making it much easier to LOS than say some of the burst from thief and rev aoe bombs.

    I don’t think anyone focuses them but they do get caught and cleaved fairly easily. If you’re side noding it’s a bit different though.

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭

    @cptaylor.2670 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    I get wanting to have fun. But I’ve played maybe 10 games as a ranger and picked up this build and wound up getting top stats continuously during many of the games I played with it. If I can hop into something I don’t normally play and still perform well with it, that’s saying something because I’m not skilled at anything, much less ranger. And there’s a lot of room to make an error with this build, even in a team fight. More room than even necro. It’s just too strong.

    Well not that it takes a genius to play Ranger, probably only necro is more stupid to play, Ranger is immediately in second place as a game.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:
    Ye, play a clown now like this other "ranger mains", just kill the pet, waste your cooldowns and health trying to trade with a pet and expect ranger to AFK and watch without swapping it and attacking you :joy:
    Its hilarious, so many hypocrites, these who say birds are bad are using double birds, the same PERSON in this thread said himself ranger is busted and now defending it :joy:

    1. That's why you kill the pet immediately after the ranger pet swaps. Doesn't take too many brain cells to figure out.
    2. The birds and tiger have 500 less armor than someone using berserker amulet. The pets don't dodge, and they don't condi cleanse, a.k.a. put some weakness on the pet and it's like killing a golem.

    Sure ranger politely will wait and let it die /s
    My ranger has demolisher amulet and divinity rune (2607 armor, I even took more damage than the bird). So cut this nonsense about brids/tigers have ~1400 armor.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:
    Ye, play a clown now like this other "ranger mains", just kill the pet, waste your cooldowns and health trying to trade with a pet and expect ranger to AFK and watch without swapping it and attacking you :joy:
    Its hilarious, so many hypocrites, these who say birds are bad are using double birds, the same PERSON in this thread said himself ranger is busted and now defending it :joy:

    1. That's why you kill the pet immediately after the ranger pet swaps. Doesn't take too many brain cells to figure out.
    2. The birds and tiger have 500 less armor than someone using berserker amulet. The pets don't dodge, and they don't condi cleanse, a.k.a. put some weakness on the pet and it's like killing a golem.

    Sure ranger politely will wait and let it die /s
    My ranger has demolisher amulet and divinity rune (2607 armor, I even took more damage than the bird). So cut this nonsense about brids/tigers have ~1400 armor.

    So don't tunnel vision the pet and ignore the ranger?

    It's kind of funny what you're saying. You fight the ranger, and ignore the pet and die. Or... you fight the pet, and ignore the ranger and die.

    It's not that hard to pay attention to both at the same time especially when one of them has an audible, giant bear to watch out for as the main source of damage. Also not sure why you have so much trouble killing a glass AI that doesn't dodge or condi clear.

  • God.2708God.2708 Member ✭✭✭

    @RisenHowl.2419 said:
    I like how reaper's gravedigger hits for 5-6k while maul hits for 9k, birds drop 4-5k AAs, and tigers are still getting over 10k. Feels like balance

    I like how I can drop my 9k maul, my 7k swoop (vid proof of 5k autos, they auto for like 1.5k in ideal conditions with all buffs) and the reaper still has 6k life force I have to whittle down, then after I do that and they kite for 10s they have another 25k life force I have to burn through from blighter's boon whilst my burst combo still isn't off CD.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:
    Ye, play a clown now like this other "ranger mains", just kill the pet, waste your cooldowns and health trying to trade with a pet and expect ranger to AFK and watch without swapping it and attacking you :joy:
    Its hilarious, so many hypocrites, these who say birds are bad are using double birds, the same PERSON in this thread said himself ranger is busted and now defending it :joy:

    1. That's why you kill the pet immediately after the ranger pet swaps. It doesn't take too many brain cells to figure out.
    2. The birds and tiger have 500 less armor than someone using berserker amulet. The pets don't dodge, and they don't condi cleanse, a.k.a. put some weakness on the pet and it's like killing a golem.

    Sure ranger politely will wait and let it die /s
    My ranger has demolisher amulet and divinity rune (2607 armor, I even took more damage than the bird). So cut this nonsense about brids/tigers have ~1400 armor.

    So don't tunnel vision the pet and ignore the ranger?

    It's kind of funny what you're saying. You fight the ranger, and ignore the pet and die. Or... you fight the pet, and ignore the ranger and die.

    It's not that hard to pay attention to both at the same time especially when one of them has an audible, giant bear to watch out for as the main source of damage. Also not sure why you have so much trouble killing a glass AI that doesn't dodge or condi clear.

    People tunnel vision a lot, and when they lose they end up sometimes blaming others rather than themselves. They get used to playing a certain way, which is one thing necro mains warn about changes since people are very used to fighting necro and tunneling them and focusing them down and having them easy free kill punching bags.

    many necromancers warn that such changes of nerfing sustain too much would be disastrous to core and reaper who has to take melee brunt force.

    Rangers, on the other hand, warn that their main weapons GS(close range with maul) double ax damages. There could be disastrous consequences if you made a very easy to kill pet also do no damage, but a lot of people whining and Q_Q for the nerfs don't care or listen to what people who main class says.

    Look at what warnings thief mains give and yet people still call for nerfs for stealth into the ground. Not fun and overpowered like someone else said is a totally different thing.

    People crying for nerfs has become a meme in itself that goes back and was something popular in wow. What's the saying grass is always greener on the other side?

    Also, one thing I really dislike about these kinds of nerf threads is: you don't see videos of them playing as examples, or know or even see what rank they are in.

    They could be lying, generalizing, and all we would have is their word.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Tazer.2157Tazer.2157 Member ✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo choo with a tag all the time? There's loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    They are the same people who said the tradeoff to the soulbeast is okay. I am sorry but when balance takes precedence over fun and engaging gameplay, I would not consider that good advice to listen to. Any change to gameplay must be made so that it improves the gameplay. Always add to the gameplay, do not remove from the gameplay and the changes made to soulbeast made it a boring 1 button class. A dumbed down version that I feel has the laziest gameplay among all the other classes. And what did the change do? It made people pick ranger. Ranger is fine where it is. It is strong against certain classes and weak against other. The only problem I have with ranger is the high utility of the greatsword. It has got damage, escape a block and a stun/recharge and in the hands of a skilled player, it is very hard to pin the ranger and take it down. But that is fine because a ranger is not really good at holding points and it is not a strong dueling class. A ranger is a class that applies constant pressure and I feel that it has a place in the meta. Do not nerf it into oblivion because people are too busy chasing rangers around the map instead of capping points. And as rangers are a pet class, it is important that the pets are seen as threats and not just random minis following the ranger around. The only change I would suggest is to increase the cd for pet revival from 60 secs to 300 seconds. Good pet management must be required which I feel is being neglected currently.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I dunno why this raid boss has such low health value.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tazer.2157 said:
    They are the same people who said the tradeoff to the soulbeast is okay. I am sorry but when balance takes precedence over fun and engaging gameplay, I would not consider that good advice to listen to. Any change to gameplay must be made so that it improves the gameplay. Always add to the gameplay, do not remove from the gameplay and the changes made to soulbeast made it a boring 1 button class. A dumbed down version that I feel has the laziest gameplay among all the other classes. And what did the change do? It made people pick ranger. Ranger is fine where it is. It is strong against certain classes and weak against other. The only problem I have with ranger is the high utility of the greatsword. It has got damage, escape a block and a stun/recharge and in the hands of a skilled player, it is very hard to pin the ranger and take it down. But that is fine because a ranger is not really good at holding points and it is not a strong dueling class. A ranger is a class that applies constant pressure and I feel that it has a place in the meta. Do not nerf it into oblivion because people are too busy chasing rangers around the map instead of capping points. And as rangers are a pet class, it is important that the pets are seen as threats and not just random minis following the ranger around. The only change I would suggest is to increase the cd for pet revival from 60 secs to 300 seconds. Good pet management must be required which I feel is being neglected currently.

    60 seconds is already insanely long to get locked out of pet swapping. 5 minutes absolutely ridiculous. So if our pets, which can't dodge or condi clear, that our builds rely on, die, that means we're completely useless for half the match if the enemy decides to keep us in combat?

    No other class gets locked out for this long when the enemy decides to deal with their class mechanic. 60 seconds being shut out from boons, utility, condi clear, and offensive pressure is already a very significant disadvantage.

  • Poledra Val.1490Poledra Val.1490 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    Greetings Anet, you promised consistent fixes if something is clearly broken and Ranger/pets are currently busted beyond imagining not to mention rangers sustain with extremelly low cooldowns on greatsword and there almost innate ability to be halfway across the map if things get rough.

    I can literally see no drawback in playing ranger atm.

    Even the high end well skilled ranger players acknoledge that the class is indeed very broken currently.

    You promised fixes if there was a clear and obvious problem, Ranger and Necro are both busted, so the ball is in you're court.

    You have not delivered thus far, lets hope our faith in you was not misplaced.

  • dronte.3416dronte.3416 Member ✭✭

    @dronte.3416 said:
    Lmao calling out Maul as the only problem. Take a look at how the bird hits, for example. Pet coefficients are f* up right now.

    Btw both core nec and core ranger needs a nerf (focusing on pets)

    Wait sorry I changed my mind, I switched to core ranger (havent played for like 2 years) and I am climbing as f

    Anet please dont nerf thx

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Poledra Val.1490 said:
    Greetings Anet, you promised consistent fixes if something is clearly broken and Ranger/pets are currently busted beyond imagining not to mention rangers sustain with extremelly low cooldowns on greatsword and there almost innate ability to be halfway across the map if things get rough.

    I can literally see no drawback in playing ranger atm.

    Even the high end well skilled ranger players acknoledge that the class is indeed very broken currently.

    You promised fixes if there was a clear and obvious problem, Ranger and Necro are both busted, so the ball is in you're court.

    You have not delivered thus far, lets hope our faith in you was not misplaced.

    Drawbacks:

    1. Birds/Tigers actually explode when focused at all. And then 50% of the Core Ranger's damage output is on a 60s CD.
    2. Can't peel/disengage for #$%^. When 2v1 focused by competent players at all, it dies. <- This is the first big reason why Core Ranger is not viable for tournament, because it lacks the disengage play required to stay alive long enough to do anything at all, in higher tiered play environments.

    The 2nd reason why Core Ranger or Soulbeast is not viable for tournament, is because the majority of the bell curve or bellow community always gets it nerfed from being able to do so. Let me explain something to you very carefully. Ok so all of the objects that have been placed in the pvp maps, those were meant to be used for LOS and positioning. These are mechanics designed into the game that were meant to be used against Longbows and Rifles and Shortbows and all ranged projectiles. However, bell curve and bellow players ignore this. They are the types of players who walk into the middle of Eternal Coliseum mid and stand there on the node while a Deadeye is shooting at them, and completely ignore the 4 pillars and the boxes around the node. When they die to the DE or a Ranger, they come into this forum and complain about how OP high the damage is. Higher tiered players above the bell curve wouldn't let that happen. 1 - They have good map awareness and would position themselves with an object in between themselves and the ranged attacker before he even arrives to the team fight. 2 - If they were caught unaware which does happen sometimes, they quickly react an begin to LOS.

    So what we are really talking about here, is the point where players rise from ignoring LOS mechanics, to utilizing them. Rangers are very OP in environments where players ignore LOS mechanics, and this is where all of the complaining is coming from. However, in environments where players do utilize these mechanics often and know how to exploit them, the effectiveness of Ranger drops through the floor to where it is no longer viable amongst high tiered play. <- This is because the large bulk of the community complains about how high powered ranged is, as they choose to ignore built in game mechanics that were meant to be used to deal with the ranged. And then Arenanet listens to this bulk of QQ, and Ranger gets balanced around that, instead of around high tiered players who actually utilize all the mechanics granted to them.

    Ranger is a weird class due to the difference in effectiveness between bellow bell curve and above bell curve for the above reasons ^ Ranger is very strong against bad players, but Ranger is just bad against good players. Unfortunately for all of the reasons described, Arenanet struggles to find a cherry sweet spot to settle the balance so that it works for everyone.

    Pretty much sums it up.

    Rangers have plenty of disengage? Half the time it feels like most of my team is chasing some ranger across the map. I mean sure it isn’t as good as a thief, but it has plenty of disengage. Soulbeast especially if you run a bird. Obviously it isn’t as good as thief or some of the warrior builds but it’s still more than enough. Even more than Mesmer right now unless the mes is running portal, which is just a waste in solo queue.

  • Highlie.7641Highlie.7641 Member ✭✭✭

    Being one of the few thief crazy enough to run CS / TR / DA picking every damage modifier while running zerker / eagles, I can say nice excutioner proc. Now who gave him might or you vulnerabilty? as that's the only possible way to hit 4,700 even if your target is glass.

    I guess we are ignoring the fact that most thieves are running SA, that the ranger is obviously not procing modifiers or any of the other facts you've completely ignored to fit you agenda. you are part of the reason this player base is trash.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    I'm just being honest here but : Pets do too much for their Profession.

    Every Profession has their special mechanics, things to play around.
    Ranger straight up has a semi automated beat-stick baked into their class and passes it off as a legitimate Profession mechanic.

    It's almost as bad as Necromancer on the level of simplicity.
    As many have mentioned, a Ranger vs a bad player is GGEZ but a Ranger vs a good player is a bad joke.
    Necromancers are the exact same.

    Difference is that Necromancer actually has to not be AFK to do that crazy stuff they can pull off, meanwhile Pets can be played semi AFK and still manage to pressure someone.

    Just my two cents guys, don't have to agree with me here.

    Just throwing it out there that Engi Turret was nerfed many times for some reason while automated Pets still exist, performing several times more than Turrets or Minions.

    Turrets are utility skills.

    Pets are a class kit, like Reaper Shroud or Photon Forge or Firebrand Tomes.

    I was wondering if maybe the pets were intended to be effective?

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    I'm just being honest here but : Pets do too much for their Profession.

    Every Profession has their special mechanics, things to play around.
    Ranger straight up has a semi automated beat-stick baked into their class and passes it off as a legitimate Profession mechanic.

    It's almost as bad as Necromancer on the level of simplicity.
    As many have mentioned, a Ranger vs a bad player is GGEZ but a Ranger vs a good player is a bad joke.
    Necromancers are the exact same.

    Difference is that Necromancer actually has to not be AFK to do that crazy stuff they can pull off, meanwhile Pets can be played semi AFK and still manage to pressure someone.

    Just my two cents guys, don't have to agree with me here.

    Just throwing it out there that Engi Turret was nerfed many times for some reason while automated Pets still exist, performing several times more than Turrets or Minions.

    Turrets are utility skills.

    Pets are a class kit, like Reaper Shroud or Photon Forge or Firebrand Tomes.

    I was wondering if maybe the pets were intended to be effective?

    And you can only have one of them active at the same time not five like turrets or minions.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    I'm wrong? How am I wrong? I said top players and streamers like Sindrener and Boyce are also asking for ranger to be addressed and they do say how broken it is on their streams. Someone else made the presupposition that it was necromancers asking for nerfs, coincidentally the guy mentioned below, direct your comment at him.

    As for fun, it's fun for 1 person to never have to sweat in a fight, have all chances to win and not have to think too hard about what the enemy is doing, not so fun for the person on the other end who can't mess up once or they lose automatically.

    @Arheundel.6451 I literally named them and the rest of what you said had no relevance to what I stated, they're saying it's overtuned in both damage and survivability and it needs toning down. They and I also don't want to see it Chrono'd just a lot of little changes all over to bring it down.

    @Tazer.2157 Agreed about greatsword, don't agree about pet death CD, that would be very punishing especially against condi builds that murder pets super easy. Ranger needs small adjustments across the board, maybe 1 or 2 major hits on damage mods but it's going to be a slow process or it'll be chrono'd.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    I'm wrong? How am I wrong? I said top players and streamers like Sindrener and Boyce are also asking for ranger to be addressed and they do say how broken it is on their streams. Someone else made the presupposition that it was necromancers asking for nerfs, coincidentally the guy mentioned below, direct your comment at him.

    As for fun, it's fun for 1 person to never have to sweat in a fight, have all chances to win and not have to think too hard about what the enemy is doing, not so fun for the person on the other end who can't mess up once or they lose automatically.

    @Arheundel.6451 I literally named them and the rest of what you said had no relevance to what I stated, they're saying it's overtuned in both damage and survivability and it needs toning down. They and I also don't want to see it Chrono'd just a lot of little changes all over to bring it down.

    @Tazer.2157 Agreed about greatsword, don't agree about pet death CD, that would be very punishing especially against condi builds that murder pets super easy. Ranger needs small adjustments across the board, maybe 1 or 2 major hits on damage mods but it's going to be a slow process or it'll be chrono'd.

    NVm i take it back misread something.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    I'm wrong? How am I wrong? I said top players and streamers like Sindrener and Boyce are also asking for ranger to be addressed and they do say how broken it is on their streams. Someone else made the presupposition that it was necromancers asking for nerfs, coincidentally the guy mentioned below, direct your comment at him.

    As for fun, it's fun for 1 person to never have to sweat in a fight, have all chances to win and not have to think too hard about what the enemy is doing, not so fun for the person on the other end who can't mess up once or they lose automatically.

    @Arheundel.6451 I literally named them and the rest of what you said had no relevance to what I stated, they're saying it's overtuned in both damage and survivability and it needs toning down. They and I also don't want to see it Chrono'd just a lot of little changes all over to bring it down.

    @Tazer.2157 Agreed about greatsword, don't agree about pet death CD, that would be very punishing especially against condi builds that murder pets super easy. Ranger needs small adjustments across the board, maybe 1 or 2 major hits on damage mods but it's going to be a slow process or it'll be chrono'd.

    NVm i take it back misread something.

    No probs, we all do sometimes. I hope they don't nerf necro too much.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    And you can only have one of them active at the same time not five like turrets or minions.

    A single pet easily outclasses 5 turrets though.
    And Minions are essentially a pile of useless meat which serves only to hinder and cripple.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    I'm wrong? How am I wrong? I said top players and streamers like Sindrener and Boyce are also asking for ranger to be addressed and they do say how broken it is on their streams. Someone else made the presupposition that it was necromancers asking for nerfs, coincidentally the guy mentioned below, direct your comment at him.

    As for fun, it's fun for 1 person to never have to sweat in a fight, have all chances to win and not have to think too hard about what the enemy is doing, not so fun for the person on the other end who can't mess up once or they lose automatically.

    @Arheundel.6451 I literally named them and the rest of what you said had no relevance to what I stated, they're saying it's overtuned in both damage and survivability and it needs toning down. They and I also don't want to see it Chrono'd just a lot of little changes all over to bring it down.

    @Tazer.2157 Agreed about greatsword, don't agree about pet death CD, that would be very punishing especially against condi builds that murder pets super easy. Ranger needs small adjustments across the board, maybe 1 or 2 major hits on damage mods but it's going to be a slow process or it'll be chrono'd.

    Not trying to argue with you, serious question:

    Are these streamers saying that Core Ranger is OP or that it is broken as in, something is not working right?

    Even I've been pointing in threads that something is up with pet damage. They are hitting harder than the coefficients say they should. And no, I don't mean marks mods and all that. I'm talking even with no buffs or marks mods active, the pets seem to be ignoring toughness or possibly a portion of their damage equation is hitting as life steal, bypassing toughness/prot values. I first noticed it while 1v1ing @Bossun.2046 and my pets even with no boons or marks mods on, were always hitting harder than the actual Ranger's Rapid Fires & Mauls, which according to coefficient UI display, should definitely be hitting harder than the pets.

    So in my finely worded description of the issue, I would say that: "Core Ranger/Soulbeast is not OP, but something is definitely wonky with pet damage and needs to be looked into."

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yasai.3549 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    And you can only have one of them active at the same time not five like turrets or minions.

    A single pet easily outclasses 5 turrets though.
    And Minions are essentially a pile of useless meat which serves only to hinder and cripple.

    Yeah they are a class mechanic...
    Do you want only 1 skill in Death Shroud? Or only switch one skill with an ele attunement at the time?

  • Erzian.5218Erzian.5218 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    I'm wrong? How am I wrong? I said top players and streamers like Sindrener and Boyce are also asking for ranger to be addressed and they do say how broken it is on their streams. Someone else made the presupposition that it was necromancers asking for nerfs, coincidentally the guy mentioned below, direct your comment at him.

    As for fun, it's fun for 1 person to never have to sweat in a fight, have all chances to win and not have to think too hard about what the enemy is doing, not so fun for the person on the other end who can't mess up once or they lose automatically.

    @Arheundel.6451 I literally named them and the rest of what you said had no relevance to what I stated, they're saying it's overtuned in both damage and survivability and it needs toning down. They and I also don't want to see it Chrono'd just a lot of little changes all over to bring it down.

    @Tazer.2157 Agreed about greatsword, don't agree about pet death CD, that would be very punishing especially against condi builds that murder pets super easy. Ranger needs small adjustments across the board, maybe 1 or 2 major hits on damage mods but it's going to be a slow process or it'll be chrono'd.

    Not trying to argue with you, serious question:

    Are these streamers saying that Core Ranger is OP or that it is broken as in, something is not working right?

    Even I've been pointing in threads that something is up with pet damage. They are hitting harder than the coefficients say they should. And no, I don't mean marks mods and all that. I'm talking even with no buffs or marks mods active, the pets seem to be ignoring toughness or possibly a portion of their damage equation is hitting as life steal, bypassing toughness/prot values. I first noticed it while 1v1ing @Bossun.2046 and my pets even with no boons or marks mods on, were always hitting harder than the actual Ranger's Rapid Fires & Mauls, which according to coefficient UI display, should definitely be hitting harder than the pets.

    So in my finely worded description of the issue, I would say that: "Core Ranger/Soulbeast is not OP, but something is definitely wonky with pet damage and needs to be looked into."

    idk I just hit different golems with both pet (owl and tiger) and maul and there doesn't seem to be a bug with pet damage and armor interaction.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2020

    @Erzian.5218 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Axl.8924 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    Except it isn't necro mains asking for ranger to be addressed, well known top players in EU say it's broken, you can see them saying it in Sindrener's and Boyce's stream. You can also see these 2 players saying that they don't want ANet to hammer it down to useless but that it needs a lot of adjustments, small in size but a lot of them.

    Also not seeing them in WvW? Are you blind or do you just choo with a tag all the time? There are loads of rangers dotted around adding into small fights or worse still adding into fights at duel spots.

    Your wrong though, I'm a necro main and I defended ranger a lot, heck I've even defended mesmers.

    There are people out there who don't care what happens to other classes but some of us do care because we play multiple classes for fun. We aren't competitive like you guys, so our most important aspect is that a class is enjoyable, in fact, I will probably never be competitive ever.

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    Necros are preparing for the huge nerfs that awaits them with the next patch.

    Yes, birds and cats will be nerfed and it is also fine, but also complaining about the rest of the Ranger profession at this point is either a L2P problem or there are many trolls who want to see Ranger also out of the competitive scenario after Druid and Slb.

    We are ready to be deleted from SPVP you mean yeah its going to happen, maybe even WVW, and back to necro mains complaining about being free kills and always over nerfed.

    I'm wrong? How am I wrong? I said top players and streamers like Sindrener and Boyce are also asking for ranger to be addressed and they do say how broken it is on their streams. Someone else made the presupposition that it was necromancers asking for nerfs, coincidentally the guy mentioned below, direct your comment at him.

    As for fun, it's fun for 1 person to never have to sweat in a fight, have all chances to win and not have to think too hard about what the enemy is doing, not so fun for the person on the other end who can't mess up once or they lose automatically.

    @Arheundel.6451 I literally named them and the rest of what you said had no relevance to what I stated, they're saying it's overtuned in both damage and survivability and it needs toning down. They and I also don't want to see it Chrono'd just a lot of little changes all over to bring it down.

    @Tazer.2157 Agreed about greatsword, don't agree about pet death CD, that would be very punishing especially against condi builds that murder pets super easy. Ranger needs small adjustments across the board, maybe 1 or 2 major hits on damage mods but it's going to be a slow process or it'll be chrono'd.

    Not trying to argue with you, serious question:

    Are these streamers saying that Core Ranger is OP or that it is broken as in, something is not working right?

    Even I've been pointing in threads that something is up with pet damage. They are hitting harder than the coefficients say they should. And no, I don't mean marks mods and all that. I'm talking even with no buffs or marks mods active, the pets seem to be ignoring toughness or possibly a portion of their damage equation is hitting as life steal, bypassing toughness/prot values. I first noticed it while 1v1ing @Bossun.2046 and my pets even with no boons or marks mods on, were always hitting harder than the actual Ranger's Rapid Fires & Mauls, which according to coefficient UI display, should definitely be hitting harder than the pets.

    So in my finely worded description of the issue, I would say that: "Core Ranger/Soulbeast is not OP, but something is definitely wonky with pet damage and needs to be looked into."

    idk I just hit different golems with both pet (owl and tiger) and maul and there doesn't seem to be a bug with pet damage and armor interaction.

    You need to be attacking players who are stacking toughness and have prot buff on. The golems only have "armor" value.

    You'll see what I mean when you start attacking dudes wearing demolisher/resistance with prot buffs. Something is off with it. In that case scenario, I see my no boon no marks mod Mauls landing 10% of their health bar, and then some pet with no boons no marks mods chunking 25% of their health bar in one go. And yes, both the Maul and the pet F2 are both critical hitting.

    It doesn't seem to happen all of the time. It seems to be something odd that when it happens, it stays active until you change maps or end a game. I was also wondering if what may be happening is that the marks mods aren't turning off on the pet when they are supposed to. what I mean is, say MOC was on the pet and after the pet attacked, the MOC should deactivate, and although the UI indicates that it did, maybe the MOC +50% is stuck in the pet's equation somehow and does not deactive. That would certainly explain what I have been seeing from time to time, as well as some of these seriously inflated pet damage numbers that people have been posting in screen shots lately. Like Birds dealing 5k on every auto attack. If you go in and test on a golem, you'll see that achieving those kind of numbers on a Ranger pet Is virtually impossible to do, yet we are seeing more and more screen shots of this stuff happening during random bell curve or bellow games, where I know for a fact that there isn't enough coordinated pet buffing going on to be able to achieve numbers like that.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    Yeah they are a class mechanic...
    Do you want only 1 skill in Death Shroud? Or only switch one skill with an ele attunement at the time?

    What's yur point?
    Make Turrets and Minions Profession mechanics then, so Turret Engi and Necro MM can have utility skills too.

    Necro MM : 3 weaponsets and no utilities.
    Engi Turrets : 1 Weapon set, 5 toolbelt skills and no utilities
    Core Ranger : 2 weapon sets, 5 utilities, 2 pets with higher personal stats and damage than multiple Minions or Turrets combined, each pet also has their own health and own set of skills.

    Also Ranger Pet AI is also significantly better than Turrets and Minions AI.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.