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Brainstorming the upcoming nerfs to Mesmer

ArlAlt.1630ArlAlt.1630 Member ✭✭✭

Hey there fellow Mesmers,

As you very well know, CMC has got it out for us. Some Mesmer main likely killed him one too many times and he's had enough. As such, it's only natural that we should expect him to finish the job and Mesmer as a whole for that matter.
What do you think is gonna be in the next set of nerfs to the class?

I say reduce base phantasmal seeking axes count to 1 and get 1 more when traited.
33% nerf to Axe 3 and reduce evade duration to 0.25 secs.
IH remains untouched, not that there's much to touch on it really. The trait itself doesn't really do much.
EM reduce cleanse to 1 condition.
Reduce the % damage bonus from both the illusions minor and the domi GM to 7% to be in line with other traits.
Make Signet of Illusions reset only Mind Wrack (f1). CD remains unchanged.

Oh I almost forgot:
Phantasms summoned by Chronophantasma now perform their attack on themselves on top of previous effects.

What do you guys think?

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Comments

  • pninak.1069pninak.1069 Member ✭✭✭

    they gonna change chronphan to stun instead of daze. give mirage another penalty with vigor giving half the endurance generation only. scpeter autoattack nerf to attack rate 0.5 clones reduced to 1 attack every 6 seconds. malicious sorcery no longer reduces scepter cooldowns.

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    IH - clones don't do ambush anymore, they just have evade frames.
    Its a popular request, ANerf shall fulfill it.

    IH is getting nerfed, sooner or later.

    The degenerate

  • ArlAlt.1630ArlAlt.1630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    49 endurance on Mirage

    49 MAX endurance on Mirage, you had a typo.

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2020

    Breaking a mirror gives you 10 stacks of bleeding - because you know, glass is sharp and all...

    Mirage also loses IP to "better realise the intended framework for all mesmer elite specialisations"...

    Distortion cooldown increased to 105s to be in line with Continuum Split

    That's all I got for now. :p

    My ears, how are you! | Hammer Mesmer - elite spec concept.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Illusionary Persona removed from Mesmer Profession entirely.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • One dodge is still one too many.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2020

    core is still viable somehow, so remove deceptive evasion and nerf everything in chaos by 50%.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Yoci.2481Yoci.2481 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2020

    Nerfs to Chaos (especially Bountiful Disillusionment and Method of Madness), Inspiration (Signet builds) and Illusions. Oh and a nerf to the Domination boon removal traits.

  • Zoser.7245Zoser.7245 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2020

    Don't forget to take and attach here a selfie when they release the sustain balance. I want to watch those stone, horror and Pikachu faces after read the patch notes. =)

  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭

    @Twilight Tempest.7584 said:
    One dodge is still one too many.

    Well to be fair mirage doesn't really need any dodges.

    Low quality trolling since launch
    Seafarer's Rest EotM Hero

  • aaron.7850aaron.7850 Member ✭✭✭

    In order to help players identify the real mesmer, a hovering arrow indicator has been added to all PVP modes

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020

    @aaron.7850 said:
    In order to help players identify the real mesmer, a hovering arrow indicator has been added to all PVP modes

    Would be too hard to notice in the clusterfvck that is going on.

    A reasonable change would be to transfer all damage done to the clones and phantasmals to the mesmer instead. Gives the mesmer actual counterplay by enabling the enemy to instantly down them by throwing an AoE nuke on these illusions.

  • Staff and GS lose all their magics and become melee weapons

  • Koen.1327Koen.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:
    IH - clones don't do ambush anymore, they just have evade frames.
    Its a popular request, ANerf shall fulfill it.

    IH is getting nerfed, sooner or later.

    they can also do it the other way around
    clones get ambush but not the evade frame

    this would be a buff though since you get synergy with desert distortion and blurred inscription - would make some interesting build
    at the same time you can counter it with aoe dmg, although dmg kinda too low to quickly kill clones

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    Listen to my words, Chrono (yes, Chrono) f2 will be nerfed sooner or later. With illusion traitline and 3 illusions shattered it has under 5s cd.

  • pninak.1069pninak.1069 Member ✭✭✭

    yea make a rewinder not rewind lol. They could just take all cd reducing traits from all professions. then guard has to find a new way to use guardian focus than before. FB doesn't lose anything when out of tomes anyway.

  • Woltarion.6829Woltarion.6829 Member ✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:
    Listen to my words, Chrono (yes, Chrono) f2 will be nerfed sooner or later. With illusion traitline and 3 illusions shattered it has under 5s cd.

    It has 5s cd only if there are 3 clones, this condition is almost never met in PvP

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2020

    @Woltarion.6829 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:
    Listen to my words, Chrono (yes, Chrono) f2 will be nerfed sooner or later. With illusion traitline and 3 illusions shattered it has under 5s cd.

    It has 5s cd only if there are 3 clones, this condition is almost never met in PvP

    If you could be so kind and read my comment again I wrote with 3 illusions shattered. And it’s not like you should take this serious in the first place, it’s a troll thread and this is a troll comment. The joke was that Chrono is so underperforming but Anet will nerf it in a way we can’t imagine. It’s not funny if I have to explain it -.-

  • @Senqu.8054 said:

    @Woltarion.6829 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:
    Listen to my words, Chrono (yes, Chrono) f2 will be nerfed sooner or later. With illusion traitline and 3 illusions shattered it has under 5s cd.

    It has 5s cd only if there are 3 clones, this condition is almost never met in PvP

    If you could be so kind and read my comment again I wrote with 3 illusions shattered. And it’s not like you should take this serious in the first place, it’s a troll three and this is a troll comment. The joke was that Chrono is so underperforming but Anet will nerf it in a way we can’t imagine. It’s not funny if I have to explain it -.-

    I'm so stupid that I should report my own comment lol

  • Heartpains.7312Heartpains.7312 Member ✭✭✭

    We want mirage to use dodge more so they can benefit from their traits.
    "Mirage can no longer gain Vigor from any source"

  • Yoci.2481Yoci.2481 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zoser.7245 said:
    Don't forget to take and attach here a selfie when they release the sustain balance. I want to watch those stone, horror and Pikachu faces after read the patch notes. =)

    I will just cry and cry.

  • Heartpains.7312Heartpains.7312 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

    Sounds like something ANerf could do and I'm not even joking.

    I said it as a joke but I know that they can do something like that, with such explanation too. :astonished:

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭

    Arcane Thievery reworked to transfer your boons to the enemy and transfer the enemies condi's to you. So Mesmer can hard counter Condi Necro because they can't transfer their condi's if they don't have condi's!

    Mesmer has a lot of boon strip. But it's not fun when the enemy doesn't have boons. So now Mesmer has a passive that provides boons to all enemies within 1900 range on a 1/4 interval.

    Chronophantasma now also applies the 1.5s daze to the Mesmer whenever a Phantasm is created.

    Whenever an Illusion dies or is shattered, it deals damage equal to its health to the Mesmer.

    Gravity Well now has a 33% chance to create a black hole, which pulls in all nearby allies and crashes their game.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Taril.8619 said:
    Arcane Thievery reworked to transfer your boons to the enemy and transfer the enemies condi's to you. So Mesmer can hard counter Condi Necro because they can't transfer their condi's if they don't have condi's!

    Mesmer has a lot of boon strip. But it's not fun when the enemy doesn't have boons. So now Mesmer has a passive that provides boons to all enemies within 1900 range on a 1/4 interval.

    Chronophantasma now also applies the 1.5s daze to the Mesmer whenever a Phantasm is created.

    Whenever an Illusion dies or is shattered, it deals damage equal to its health to the Mesmer.

    Gravity Well now has a 33% chance to create a black hole, which pulls in all nearby allies and crashes their game.

    illusions and phantasms that die rally enemies
    ps someone actually sugested that XD

  • Shena Fu.5792Shena Fu.5792 Member ✭✭✭
    • Illusions and shatters now target yourself.
    • All teleport skills now teleport you straight to hell.
    • Mirage dodge stuns yourself for 2 seconds.
  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    illusions and phantasms that die rally enemies
    ps someone actually sugested that XD

    Rofl, imagine that each illusions granted 5 points to the enemy team when they die

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @darwins ghost.7961 said:
    Queen Jennah is now a necromancer.

    This wouldn't be such a bad nerf by itself, but it would open a new path for MANY nerfs since the little bit respect left for mesmer would die.

  • Shena Fu.5792Shena Fu.5792 Member ✭✭✭

    @darwins ghost.7961 said:
    Mantra of Pain has been changed to Mantra of Feeling a Bit of a Twinge.

    lol When Mesmer shatters, opponents get a bonus skill action to create a safe space around them.

  • Quadox.7834Quadox.7834 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Woltarion.6829 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    illusions and phantasms that die rally enemies
    ps someone actually sugested that XD

    Rofl, imagine that each illusions granted 5 points to the enemy team when they die

    that actually happened once (rallying from clones), years ago. that bug got fixed pretty quick though.

    // Yanim

  • Anna.7845Anna.7845 Member ✭✭✭

    Deceptive evasion only creates a clone if you evade

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭

    Mesmer illusions now have the same amount of health and armour as the Mesmer themselves.

    However, Mesmers are now hard capped at 1 Vitality and 1 Armour.

    :^)

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Enemy players can rally off destroying a mesmer clone (they also grant WXP and participation now)

  • ArlAlt.1630ArlAlt.1630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    Enemy players can rally off destroying a mesmer clone (they also grant WXP and participation now)

    That would actually make the most sought after profession in the game... for the opposing team. :lol:

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    Enemy players can rally off destroying a mesmer clone (they also grant WXP and participation now)

    ANerf already tried it:

    The degenerate

  • ArlAlt.1630ArlAlt.1630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:
    Enemy players can rally off destroying a mesmer clone (they also grant WXP and participation now)

    ANerf already tried it:

    A thing of beauty!

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    At least 50% nerf to something idk

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    At least 50% nerf to something idk

    true, we have not been 50% nerfed for a while now, step up anet

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    true, we have not been 50% nerfed for a while now, step up anet

    Last 50% nerf was mirage endurance bar?
    I think mirage should have 49 endurance for the memes. So close, yet so far.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    true, we have not been 50% nerfed for a while now, step up anet

    Last 50% nerf was mirage endurance bar?
    I think mirage should have 49 endurance for the memes. So close, yet so far.

    that and those bleed trait in dueling and chaos nerfs, hmmm.
    I put my money on Signet of Illusion to get nerfed next :D

  • ArlAlt.1630ArlAlt.1630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    true, we have not been 50% nerfed for a while now, step up anet

    Last 50% nerf was mirage endurance bar?
    I think mirage should have 49 endurance for the memes. So close, yet so far.

    that and those bleed trait in dueling and chaos nerfs, hmmm.
    I put my money on Signet of Illusion to get nerfed next :D

    That and Signet of Ether because it mimics Healing Signet on Warrior. Who cares that it's conditional, certainly no EAnet.

  • Heartpains.7312Heartpains.7312 Member ✭✭✭

    "we noticed that Jaunt is under performing, therefore we are giving it some tweaks to help mirage"

    Reduced the cooldown of Jaunt by 1 second in spvp and wvw.
    Reduced the charges of Jaunt by 1.

    Tooltip bug won't be fixed, you don't have to worry about that.

    As for 50% nerfs , they can target mantras I think and nerf blink range while at it.

  • ArlAlt.1630ArlAlt.1630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Heartpains.7312 said:
    "we noticed that Jaunt is under performing, therefore we are giving it some tweaks to help mirage"

    Reduced the cooldown of Jaunt by 1 second in spvp and wvw.
    Reduced the charges of Jaunt by 1.

    Tooltip bug won't be fixed, you don't have to worry about that.

    As for 50% nerfs , they can target mantras I think and nerf blink range while at it.

    Holy kitten you nailed ANET balancing philosophy.