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TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592 Member ✭✭
edited May 5, 2020 in Lore

Are Silvari made of meat wrapped in a plant exterior or are they just all plant with wooden bones or something. Why do they live in trees? If people lived like them, would we have houses made of flesh? are they made of wall or is wall made of them
do charr have toebeans like real kitties? are they born with the horns or do they grow them as they age, because that sounds painful to give birth to. do their horns ever shed, like deer antlers?
what even ARE asiri? horrid little goblins with pug faces and shark mouths, i do not trust them.
i have no comments on humans or norn, who are just Large Better Humans.
that is all for my 3am ramblings for tonight, thank you all

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  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    As for Sylvari: All plant + magic. They are supposed to not have internal organs, but somehow they still eat and think and are able to function. They usually grow the structures you see in and around the Grove with plant magic. And why wouldn't they use plant materials? We do use other animals as food and for various products, too. Well, most of us.
    As for Charr: Their horns usually look like those of animals that do not shed them. IRL animals are born without horns and grow them when growing up, but there are no real models for charr children in the game. The cubs all look like downscaled adults. So... magic?
    We know that Asura are supposed to be mammals. Aside from that, not much about their biology is known. There has been some speculation they might be insectivores because of their strange teeth and underground lifestyle, but AFAIK that has not been officially confirmed.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    • Sylvari are full plant. No meat. They live around a tree which is where they're born from. Pretty much explained in the opening cinematic when you make a sylvari. No, the equivalent isn't homes made of flesh; sylvari may be plants but that doesn't mean they're making things out of themselves. It's more equivalent to us using leather, which is made out of animal hides.
    • Yes. The horns appear to be grown per this concept art of baby charr. No comment on any shedding.
    • Asura.
    • Norn are more than "large humans"... they're actually completely different.

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  • @ all y'all taking this seriously this could not more clearly be a joke

  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭

    Not really the place, dude.

    Hate Is Fuel.

  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    Because why not? You had fun coming up with silly questions at 3am and we're having fun speculating about lore and biology of fantasy races. :lol: Win-win.

  • @TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592 said:
    Are Silvari made of meat wrapped in a plant exterior or are they just all plant with wooden bones or something. Why do they live in trees? If people lived like them, would we have houses made of flesh? are they made of wall or is wall made of them

    Sylvari are all plant. They are the Pale Trees version of humanity. Like a pod person. They are all leaf and bark and wood.

    do charr have toebeans like real kitties? are they born with the horns or do they grow them as they age, because that sounds painful to give birth to. do their horns ever shed, like deer antlers?

    Toe beans. yes. Nice.

    what even ARE asiri? horrid little goblins with pug faces and shark mouths, i do not trust them.

    Asura. They seem to be A-nets version of Gremlins with their technical nature. You are right not to trust them.

    i have no comments on humans or norn, who are just Large Better Humans.

    Norn are giants. Closer to some RL mythological demigods than humans. Like Hercules. We have examples of their feats of strength to be more than what a human would have if a human grew big enough.

    that is all for my 3am ramblings for tonight, thank you all

    Ty :)

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592 said:
    @ all y'all taking this seriously this could not more clearly be a joke

    Nothing is clear on the internet when it comes to interpreting the intent and purpose of text provided by others.

    Besides, not like I haven't seen questions like you positioned in a serious manner before. And it's not like it took more than a couple minutes to write that up.

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  • Some things are pretty clear

  • Leo.3428Leo.3428 Member ✭✭✭

    @TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592 said:
    what even ARE asiri? horrid little goblins with pug faces and shark mouths, i do not trust them.

    Not their preferred form - but the ley lines dictate it on the planet. They are good guys on a mission for Varuṇa - but the bad guys among them obey Vṛtra and this makes them glow red.

  • parasaur.1852parasaur.1852 Member ✭✭

    What exactly Norn are isn't really clear. It's part of what we are finding out in the Icebrood Saga, but the predominant theory right now is that they are actually human-shaped bears.

  • @parasaur.1852 said:
    the predominant theory right now is that they are actually human-shaped bears.

    That is the best thing i've ever heard and im going to make a norn right now just because of that

  • Gundahar.2765Gundahar.2765 Member ✭✭

    @parasaur.1852 said:
    What exactly Norn are isn't really clear. It's part of what we are finding out in the Icebrood Saga, but the predominant theory right now is that they are actually human-shaped bears.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Norn
    No. Norn are humanoids.

  • Kulvar.1239Kulvar.1239 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2020

    @parasaur.1852 said:
    What exactly Norn are isn't really clear. It's part of what we are finding out in the Icebrood Saga, but the predominant theory right now is that they are actually human-shaped bears.

    That's Kodan beliefs. I wouldn't consider them to be knowledgeable about the Norns. Their pretend wisdom is shallow and the way they smear it at you is irritating.
    ANet masterfully made it the most annoying race of all. Especially with that repair station kodan in LA.
    "Life is a trial, Koda the judge, Kodan the jury."

  • Gundahar.2765Gundahar.2765 Member ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2020

    This actually shed some light upon my knowledge of norn background. Thank you both Kulvar and Konig

  • Hmmm... Would this make Thruln and his ilk also bears?

  • @Gundahar.2765 said:

    @parasaur.1852 said:
    What exactly Norn are isn't really clear. It's part of what we are finding out in the Icebrood Saga, but the predominant theory right now is that they are actually human-shaped bears.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Norn
    No. Norn are humanoids.

    Humanoid literally means human-shaped, so I'm not sure what you're correcting.

  • Gundahar.2765Gundahar.2765 Member ✭✭

    Well, their appearance is human, yet the lore is not precise about them being one, yet the naked eye tells us they are. Humanoids and also humans. Quite a tricky.

  • @Gundahar.2765 said:
    Well, their appearance is human, yet the lore is not precise about them being one, yet the naked eye tells us they are. Humanoids and also humans. Quite a tricky.

    Eeeeh.. Their appearance is human-like. Their proportions are generally non human and their strength is described as more then a human of a scaled up size would have. They're as human as giants are.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The issue is a sarcastic post. So... Hehe.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2020

    Based on the shapes of their teeth, Asura are carnivorous. But they also eat fruits occasionally. So maybe, only maybe, Omnivorous.
    Back in the old day when they were underground, they either were eating cavernous species (Grubs, Spiders, Bats, Beetles.....) or plants in those caverns (Mosses, Vines...) or Mushrooms (fungi, btw not plant). Their face to me follow traits of Bat: They have long ears and may use them to locate themselves, they have sharp teeth, visible nose and two eyes on each side above it. They only miss the wings and the fur. If they were placed on a taxon on a phylogeny tree, they would be imho between the Salamanders and the Bat. Like evolving from crawling in order to chase and survive better in caves. I also suspect that the size of their eyes is to capture more photons due to the lack of luminosity and that they see very nicely in the Dark. Sad we don't have any lorekeeper about them in game, but I suppose they are simply cavernous predators, hunting grubs and others insects. But the process of evolution is long... during million of years... if we take us as example, asura may be 2000 years old but who know. The only thing we have from the timelines, if that in 1078 Asura appear on the surface, we are in 1333 AE so they are at least 245 years old. In 100 BE, humans establish Ascalon, but who knows, maybe Asura were already there, hiding so in that case 1433 years old.

    I think what have to be taken in account in the technology level, in GW1, asura already knew about teleportation with asuran gate and also about floating structures.
    In Gw2 It evolves into a more complex architecture, and an increase use of magics for weapons, new mark of golems.....
    I will take Ancient Egypt and Roman Empire to explain. -3150 before JC and -27 before JC. That two periods show an increase of architecture and arts but also complex military. It's a period of 3130 years. I want to believe that Asura are around 3000 years old. The time to progress from knowing nothing into a very decent and advanced civilization. See how humans progressed during those last 2020 years... But like humans, neanderthalis, habilis, paranthropus..... Asura also had ancestors, less intelligent than them, not realizing what they could do with magics... Asuri novus, secondus, primus, cavus....

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  • and now look up insectivore teeth and you have instant asura.

  • TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592TheLuckOfTheClaws.4592 Member ✭✭
    edited May 17, 2020

    Love how my 2am meme post turned into a serious discussion about whether or not norn are human shaped bears. To add fuel to the fire, bear corpses that have been shaved look almost identical to human corpses if you ignore the snout.

  • so what? There is a pic of the handywork of a notorious american killer. The person who found the body at first thought it was a deer or pig.

  • Dustfinger.9510Dustfinger.9510 Member ✭✭
    edited May 17, 2020

    Interestingly, insectivore teeth work well for both exoskeletons and plants that need to be ripped off structures as we see in marine iguanas that feed primarily on seaweed and algae. Without the existence or canines for a "kill bite", Asura are eligible, early on, to have fed primariliy on either exoskeleton creatures, deep cave plants, or both in any proportion.

  • @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    so what? There is a pic of the handywork of a notorious american killer. The person who found the body at first thought it was a deer or pig.

    Pigs have skin similar to humans but Lucks comparison to skinned bears may have been to point out that a Norns looking like human, may be just a Norn looking like a shaved bear. That is, of course, if they meant "shaved" instead of "skinned".

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Hmmm... Would this make Thruln and his ilk also bears?

    Probably not. While Thrulnn does say they were cousins to norn, we cannot be certain the accuracy of his oral tradition history since there's already a couple points of contention and contradiction with what he says about the jotun's fall.

    Jotun are confirmed by word-of-god to be cousins to ogres, but that's all we know. They're called "lesser giants", and the norn are even shorter so it's hard to consider norn to be... "lesser, lesser giants" I guess?

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Based on the shapes of their teeth, Asura are carnivorous. But they also eat fruits occasionally. So maybe, only maybe, Omnivorous.
    Back in the old day when they were underground, they either were eating cavernous species (Grubs, Spiders, Bats, Beetles.....) or plants in those caverns (Mosses, Vines...) or Mushrooms (fungi, btw not plant).

    It was established that the teeth developed that way because underground fungi that was the asura's main food were very tough to eat. They would be either herbivore or omnivore despite their teeth (the way the food system works implies all five playable races are omnivores - even charr, who are established as enjoying certain fruits and vegetables, like strawberries).

    But the process of evolution is long... during million of years... if we take us as example, asura may be 2000 years old but who know. The only thing we have from the timelines, if that in 1078 Asura appear on the surface, we are in 1333 AE so they are at least 245 years old. In 100 BE, humans establish Ascalon, but who knows, maybe Asura were already there, hiding so in that case 1433 years old.

    While pre-GW1 lore on asura and norn is pretty much non-existent, there are three pieces of lore known for asura during that lengthy period:

    1) In 1 BE, the asura noticed a rise and decrease in magic, but were unaware of the change's origins.
    2) "Centuries" before GW1, the asura were on the surface (the extent of such is unclear); during this time, they established Rata Pten.
    3) The asura had established contact and trade with both norn and dwarves a lengthy enough time before EotN to have good relations and knowledge of each other.

    We don't have an exact timeframe for Rata Pten, but in-game, it's established to be pre-Cataclysm and in the EotN manual you have this statement: "It has been centuries since Asura were seen aboveground. In fact, until recently, many humans thought they were a myth. However, recent reports have confirmed their existence."

    Fun fact: the Tarnished Coast ruins are the exact same design as Rata Pten and the Central Transfer Chamber, implying that the "unknown ruins" that the asura settled in... were asuran. But what this interestingly confirms is that the asura were not always subterranean - at least in part - even before the Great Destroyer rose.

    I will take Ancient Egypt and Roman Empire to explain. -3150 before JC and -27 before JC. That two periods show an increase of architecture and arts but also complex military. It's a period of 3130 years.

    This probably isn't the most ideal comparison. When the Bronze Age collapsed (circa 1200 BCE), this effectively reset mediterranean society advancement and forced many civilizations to start from the proverbial scratch.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Hmmm... Would this make Thruln and his ilk also bears?

    Probably not. While Thrulnn does say they were cousins to norn, we cannot be certain the accuracy of his oral tradition history since there's already a couple points of contention and contradiction with what he says about the jotun's fall.

    Jotun are confirmed by word-of-god to be cousins to ogres, but that's all we know. They're called "lesser giants", and the norn are even shorter so it's hard to consider norn to be... "lesser, lesser giants" I guess?

    Hmm. The deniability of the oral traditions is definately plausible. Though, I'd hesitate to consider Norn as lesser than lesser giants just becasue they are shorter than Jotun. Norn may just be the smaller end of the lesser giants with Jotun in the middle and Ogres at the larger end.

    With the reliance on oral traditions to even make a connection between Kodan > Norn and Norn and Jotunn, it seems A-net left their options open. Norn, Jotun, Ogres, Kodan may all be related or none at all or any mix in between.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Hmm. The deniability of the oral traditions is definately plausible. Though, I'd hesitate to consider Norn as lesser than lesser giants just becasue they are shorter than Jotun. Norn may just be the smaller end of the lesser giants with Jotun in the middle and Ogres at the larger end.

    With the reliance on oral traditions to even make a connection between Kodan > Norn and Norn and Jotunn, it seems A-net left their options open. Norn, Jotun, Ogres, Kodan may all be related or none at all or any mix in between.

    In Gw1 Ogres were in fact a creature type rather than an individual race like they are in Gw2..
    Jotun, Yeti's and Ettins were all classed as Ogres back then as well as defined as lesser giants distantly related to Giganticus Lupicus.

    It's kinda funny that in Gw2 Ogres are considered not only an ancient race now.. but one of thee most ancient of races still alive on Tyria XD

    Another fun fact is that the names Jotun and Ettin are essentially the same thing as they originate from the same Norse word for Giant, In old Norse that would be jǫtunn, which the jǫ is pronounced kinda like a Y or Eo which is where Eoten came from in old English which today is now Ettin.
    So despite being two different races in many fantasy games etc they're actually the same thing :)

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Hmm. The deniability of the oral traditions is definately plausible. Though, I'd hesitate to consider Norn as lesser than lesser giants just becasue they are shorter than Jotun. Norn may just be the smaller end of the lesser giants with Jotun in the middle and Ogres at the larger end.

    With the reliance on oral traditions to even make a connection between Kodan > Norn and Norn and Jotunn, it seems A-net left their options open. Norn, Jotun, Ogres, Kodan may all be related or none at all or any mix in between.

    I'd be very hesitant to consider kodan and jotun/ogres to be related. There's not really any relation between the groups at all, either physically or culturally.

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  • Dustfinger.9510Dustfinger.9510 Member ✭✭
    edited May 18, 2020

    @Teratus.2859 said:

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Hmm. The deniability of the oral traditions is definately plausible. Though, I'd hesitate to consider Norn as lesser than lesser giants just becasue they are shorter than Jotun. Norn may just be the smaller end of the lesser giants with Jotun in the middle and Ogres at the larger end.

    With the reliance on oral traditions to even make a connection between Kodan > Norn and Norn and Jotunn, it seems A-net left their options open. Norn, Jotun, Ogres, Kodan may all be related or none at all or any mix in between.

    In Gw1 Ogres were in fact a creature type rather than an individual race like they are in Gw2..
    Jotun, Yeti's and Ettins were all classed as Ogres back then as well as defined as lesser giants distantly related to Giganticus Lupicus.

    It's kinda funny that in Gw2 Ogres are considered not only an ancient race now.. but one of thee most ancient of races still alive on Tyria XD

    Another fun fact is that the names Jotun and Ettin are essentially the same thing as they originate from the same Norse word for Giant, In old Norse that would be jǫtunn, which the jǫ is pronounced kinda like a Y or Eo which is where Eoten came from in old English which today is now Ettin.
    So despite being two different races in many fantasy games etc they're actually the same thing :)

    That's pretty interesting. I was (unpleasantly) surprised when I learned a similar situation to goblins and orcs in Tolkiens universe. But, by that time, distinctions had already been broadly made in other media.

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Hmm. The deniability of the oral traditions is definately plausible. Though, I'd hesitate to consider Norn as lesser than lesser giants just becasue they are shorter than Jotun. Norn may just be the smaller end of the lesser giants with Jotun in the middle and Ogres at the larger end.

    With the reliance on oral traditions to even make a connection between Kodan > Norn and Norn and Jotunn, it seems A-net left their options open. Norn, Jotun, Ogres, Kodan may all be related or none at all or any mix in between.

    I'd be very hesitant to consider kodan and jotun/ogres to be related. There's not really any relation between the groups at all, either physically or culturally.

    Agreed. I'm hestitant to consider any to be related without confirmation or at least a-net leaning more heavily into the fallible evidence. But, tbf: Jotun have about as much in common with Kodan as Norn do. The same evidence of fallible in universe, one sided oral traditionsupports both theories. That oral tradition is either basically correct or incorrect.

  • Gundahar.2765Gundahar.2765 Member ✭✭

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:

    Agreed. I'm hestitant to consider any to be related without confirmation or at least a-net leaning more heavily into the fallible evidence. But, tbf: Jotun have about as much in common with Kodan as Norn do. The same evidence of fallible in universe, one sided oral traditionsupports both theories. That oral tradition is either basically correct or incorrect.

    In norse mythology, jotunn are reffered to higher beings (not spirits) aswell, due to Odin himself being a descendant from jotnars.
    Norns were actually female dieties that ruled destiny of men, much like all other pagan cultures had theirs. It was also a north germanic dialect that we know little of, since it dissapeared rather quickly.
    I don't know about kodan and where the devs had the inspiration from, all I know is kodan was a style of literature, and the connection I made is this: kodan is japannese, japan has a thing for bears, can't put a panda (WoW has it already) in the norse mythology so its going to be a polar. Connections :)

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Agreed. I'm hestitant to consider any to be related without confirmation or at least a-net leaning more heavily into the fallible evidence. But, tbf: Jotun have about as much in common with Kodan as Norn do. The same evidence of fallible in universe, one sided oral traditionsupports both theories. That oral tradition is either basically correct or incorrect.

    Well, even ignoring the obvious bear form, norn and kodan have very similar beliefs (which is even noted and used as a lead-in for kodan to tell players about the belief of the Southward Claw being the progenator of norn). The fact both norn and kodan have cultural and religious views of the same exact spirits, when all other races don't, is fairly telling.

    Similarly, both ogres and jotun have a distinct lack of religious beliefs - both are as atheistic as you can get in the setting without going full on antitheist like the charr do.

    @Gundahar.2765 said:
    In norse mythology, jotunn are reffered to higher beings (not spirits) aswell, due to Odin himself being a descendant from jotnars.
    Norns were actually female dieties that ruled destiny of men, much like all other pagan cultures had theirs. It was also a north germanic dialect that we know little of, since it dissapeared rather quickly.
    I don't know about kodan and where the devs had the inspiration from, all I know is kodan was a style of literature, and the connection I made is this: kodan is japannese, japan has a thing for bears, can't put a panda (WoW has it already) in the norse mythology so its going to be a polar. Connections :)

    IIRC, the kodan were born out of random concept art of a polar norn bear form by Kekai Kotaki and random iceberg ship concept art by Daniel Dociu. They don't hold any mythological inspiration.

    And while the names for jotun and norn originate from norse, beyond naming conventions and a couple aesthetics, there's nothing else relating to nordic folklore - norn culture is comparatively closer to Native American, particularly the Spirits of the Wild (hence the Boneskinner which was inspired by the Wendigo).

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  • Gundahar.2765Gundahar.2765 Member ✭✭
    edited May 18, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    IIRC, the kodan were born out of random concept art of a polar norn bear form by Kekai Kotaki and random iceberg ship concept art by Daniel Dociu. They don't hold any mythological inspiration.

    And while the names for jotun and norn originate from norse, beyond naming conventions and a couple aesthetics, there's nothing else relating to nordic folklore - norn culture is comparatively closer to Native American, particularly the Spirits of the Wild (hence the Boneskinner which was inspired by the Wendigo).

    Actually, in norse folklore there is a nieche of shamanism that ties to spirits animals, or spirits of the wild if you wish. They are called fylgja and they are guiding/guardian spirits that protect or embody the person giving him the perks or wisdom of that said animal. Stags, bears, wolves and raven were often the fylgjur. Sometimes these spirits can be human, either a diety or a dís, a female spirit that brings bad or good fortune to a person. The dísir, valkyries, norns are multi-referenced on the same matter, depends on the belief of every norse tribe and land.
    So, totemism is not a stranger to the norse, its been in almost every old culture, more or less. Native American culture was mainly tied to totemism, more than any other, hence they are referenced the most.

  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    Agreed. I'm hestitant to consider any to be related without confirmation or at least a-net leaning more heavily into the fallible evidence. But, tbf: Jotun have about as much in common with Kodan as Norn do. The same evidence of fallible in universe, one sided oral traditionsupports both theories. That oral tradition is either basically correct or incorrect.

    Well, even ignoring the obvious bear form, norn and kodan have very similar beliefs (which is even noted and used as a lead-in for kodan to tell players about the belief of the Southward Claw being the progenator of norn). The fact both norn and kodan have cultural and religious views of the same exact spirits, when all other races don't, is fairly telling.

    Similarly, both ogres and jotun have a distinct lack of religious beliefs - both are as atheistic as you can get in the setting without going full on antitheist like the charr do.

    According to Ree, in The Savage Pride of the Jotun,: "The jotun have lost many of the things that once made them great. Their lore is scattered, and much of it lost; any religion, higher learning, or secrets of invention that they once mastered have been eradicated" So we can't really use religion as a disqualifier here since it may well have been the exact same for the Jotun before they lost it.

    The obvious bear form should be considered if grouped with the obvious snowleapard, raven and wolf form. Nothing we know of in lore makes the bear form any more special than the others.

  • Leo.3428Leo.3428 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2020

    Since we are going the writer's inspiration road, is there any outside-of-lore connection to be guessed between the Asura and their Hindu counterparts? I made a joking post about this earlier in this thread but I genuinely wonder about it.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2020

    @Gundahar.2765 said:
    Actually, in norse folklore there is a nieche of shamanism that ties to spirits animals, or spirits of the wild if you wish. They are called fylgja and they are guiding/guardian spirits that protect or embody the person giving him the perks or wisdom of that said animal. Stags, bears, wolves and raven were often the fylgjur. Sometimes these spirits can be human, either a diety or a dís, a female spirit that brings bad or good fortune to a person. The dísir, valkyries, norns are multi-referenced on the same matter, depends on the belief of every norse tribe and land.
    So, totemism is not a stranger to the norse, its been in almost every old culture, more or less. Native American culture was mainly tied to totemism, more than any other, hence they are referenced the most.

    This is true; shamanism and animal attributes/association is common in almost every folklore in existence in one form or another, but what was in the norse folklore isn't really similar to what the norn have, and there are some very clear references to Native American folklore over nordic folklore, too.

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    The obvious bear form should be considered if grouped with the obvious snowleapard, raven and wolf form. Nothing we know of in lore makes the bear form any more special than the others.

    Well, in GW1, norn could only become the Bear. Dunno if this is strict lore or just a case of model limitation though (same would be so for animal forms of the non-Great Spirits). Regardless of animal forms being lore or mechanics though, before Jormag forced the norn south, Bear was the sole Great Spirit - now all four you listed are Great Spirits due to guiding the norn south.

    So there is reason in lore that makes Bear and the bear form more special than the others. And could be a much larger lore reason than we have confirmed depending on that question about model limitation or lore.

    @Leo.3428 said:
    Since we are going the writer's inspiration road, is there any outside-of-lore connection to be guessed between the Asura and their Hindu counterparts? I made a joking post about this earlier in this thread but I genuinely wonder about it.

    Not really. Asura were originally to be a goblin-like race, super primitive and everything. There's no evidence to suggest that the asura take from Hindu inspiration beyond name, and that could be coincidence or just "nice name" as far as we know. Asura have more in common with goblins and gnome general fantasy lore.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Dustfinger.9510 said:
    The obvious bear form should be considered if grouped with the obvious snowleapard, raven and wolf form. Nothing we know of in lore makes the bear form any more special than the others.

    Well, in GW1, norn could only become the Bear. Dunno if this is strict lore or just a case of model limitation though (same would be so for animal forms of the non-Great Spirits). Regardless of animal forms being lore or mechanics though, before Jormag forced the norn south, Bear was the sole Great Spirit - now all four you listed are Great Spirits due to guiding the norn south.

    So there is reason in lore that makes Bear and the bear form more special than the others. And could be a much larger lore reason than we have confirmed depending on that question about model limitation or lore.

    Since the arguement is whether Norn are bears, we are looking at the forms Norn takes. Bear spirit is special in chronology. The form isn't, as far as we know. This arguement only solidifies the idea that the bear form comes from the bear spirit. Just like the other forms come from the other great spirits. Rather than due to Norn being bears.

  • Leo.3428Leo.3428 Member ✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    There's no evidence to suggest that the asura take from Hindu inspiration beyond name, and that could be coincidence or just "nice name" as far as we know.

    Ha, too bad. I'd still build some clunky mythology made of technobabble, mysticism and cubes.

  • WorldofBay.8160WorldofBay.8160 Member ✭✭
    edited May 19, 2020

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Back in the old day when they were underground, they either were eating cavernous species (Grubs, Spiders, Bats, Beetles.....) or plants in those caverns (Mosses, Vines...) or Mushrooms (fungi, btw not plant).

    we all know that one spider that eats asura. that is a rather short cycle of life ...