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Poledra Val.1490Poledra Val.1490 Member ✭✭✭
edited May 17, 2020 in PVP

So this semi immortal build also needs some slight nerfs, you could pretty much have a bot running it and press every skill 1 through 5 and live for a fairly long period on a node. Bit silly if you ask me.

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  • It doesn't need to go, but it needs some interactions between skills so that just spamming them on CD isn't going anywhere. Power mesmer has mirror blade + f1 + mind stab -neither of them is worth a kitten, but together they work very well-, war has whatever stun + hundred blades. Renegade doesn't have any of that, and all of the summons are quite strong on their own, so botting on node is rewarding without any specific knowledge of the class.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2020

    I think renegade needs number nerfs but mechanic buffs.

    Shortbow 2 and 3 are useless. Shortbow 4 is semi-useful. In many cases, you are better off spamming 1.
    Spirits can't be used to or from no-port zones.
    Spirit AoEs have too much screen clutter. They also need different colors.

  • Poledra Val.1490Poledra Val.1490 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2020

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    I think renegade needs number nerfs but mechanic buffs.

    Shortbow 2 and 3 are useless. Shortbow 4 is semi-useful. In many cases, you are better off spamming 1.
    Spirits can't be used to or from no-port zones.
    Spirit AoEs have too much screen clutter. They also need different colors.

    Absolutely agree with the visual noise the rengeade produces its far to much need a great deal of toning down imo.

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2020

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    I think renegade needs number nerfs but mechanic buffs.

    Shortbow 2 and 3 are useless. Shortbow 4 is semi-useful. In many cases, you are better off spamming 1.
    Spirits can't be used to or from no-port zones.
    Spirit AoEs have too much screen clutter. They also need different colors.

    ^
    Agreed.

    Renegade is in a wierd place where its buttons are inconsistent, but when they work, the actual numbers behind them are insane. Have you looked at the numbers on bombardment? When you're not getting screwed by missle spread RNG (which is often), it can one shot a player from full.

  • Scoobaniec.9561Scoobaniec.9561 Member ✭✭✭

    How about we finally get to rework this spec from 0?

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:
    'l2p'

    You know 3 renegades won EU monthly AT, right?

  • Kulvar.1239Kulvar.1239 Member ✭✭✭

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:
    Seriously people? It's the FIRST time since POF release when renegade got a seeeeemi viable build in spvp - kalla/retri or kalla/salvation. It is countered by many builds, and it's far from immortal --- summons are all killable. can be CCed, etc. The only thing I agree is the visual clutter - having played the off meta rene on and off for the about 1.5 years, even to myself. the spirits are a hindrance since they make harder to see around you, and are also targetable.
    The rest of the OP problems, sadly, lay in the 'l2p' or 'just doge' realm.

    But using CC is not fun ! I just want to spam damage skills and have things dies !

  • Tycura.1982Tycura.1982 Member ✭✭✭

    I like it when they summon the demons. From what I've played against it's really just a matter of not standing in their circles and blocking Mad King Runes. They can't do much to you in Jalis so go ham.

    That's from a warrior so take that how you will because FC counters the summons hard.

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's funny some people complain about rens spamming just spamming weapon skills when it is the worst class aside from thief to just spam weapon skills on (hint: weapon skills cost energy leaving less energy for legend skills which generally give much better value on bunker ren).

  • Poledra Val.1490Poledra Val.1490 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:
    It's funny some people complain about rens spamming just spamming weapon skills when it is the worst class aside from thief to just spam weapon skills on (hint: weapon skills cost energy leaving less energy for legend skills which generally give much better value on bunker ren).

    Im going to pull my card of "last mAT was won with 3 renegades in the same team" one more time for kicks.

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Poledra Val.1490 said:

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:
    It's funny some people complain about rens spamming just spamming weapon skills when it is the worst class aside from thief to just spam weapon skills on (hint: weapon skills cost energy leaving less energy for legend skills which generally give much better value on bunker ren).

    Im going to pull my card of "last mAT was won with 3 renegades in the same team" one more time for kicks.

    Doesn't mean you have any clue about how the build works.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2020

    no buffs needed


    now, who are you fooling??

    Please! remove all Broken Mechanics and Toxic Skills from all Professions as well

    'Broken Is Broken!!'

    Thank You!!

    'Situations that are present are there because you allow and tolerate them to continue'

  • Just shortbow 4/5 and CC

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2020

    The editing on this had me rolling +1

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:
    'l2p'

    You know 3 renegades won EU monthly AT, right?

    That doesn't qualify for another Q_Q nerf Post. Double Heralds / FBs - you name it - have been winning MATs for a long time. Just because a class was used by skilled players to win a SINGLE mAT isn't the reason to ask for nerfs. Afaik, you main a mesmer / mirage, so I can somewhat understand your frustration fighting a good renegade since you can't force them of the node, and all those pesky summons are body blocks, making it even harder to target the renegade. Ohh wait....but what about clones? Sound familiar? I'll repeat myself again - the only thing that needs to be toned down now is the cluster kitten that rene's summons produce.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:
    snip

    Not like I want to destroy rene. I even asked for mechanical buffs and bugfixes.

    However current renegade is like core necro, it has "never dodge and spam 1" gameplay. Maybe they should nerf autoattacks and rework 2, 3 and 4.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2020

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    you know when people are complaining about renegade that has actually never been buffed, but has actually been nerfed we are at a VERY poor state of balance OR, the skill and quality of players in the game is at absolute zero.

    Other classes getting nerfed more than renegade is the same as renegade getting buffed.

  • Scoobaniec.9561Scoobaniec.9561 Member ✭✭✭

    Its a trash spec regardless that should never make it into live. Full pve spec. I will cage for days if it get any sort of a nerf

  • Xca.9721Xca.9721 Member ✭✭✭

    As a rev main I was so disappointed when they introduced Renegade, one of the worst specs that came with PoF. All of the utility skills have no interaction with each other, you use them once and thats it. Now that everything has been nerfed (except Renegade) it somehow became viable, but let´s be honest: Fighting a Renegade can be as annoying as pre nerf Mirage with all the vision clutter. I really hope (but highly doubt) that they will rework Renegade one day and make it a spec that is fun to play.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    you know when people are complaining about renegade that has actually never been buffed, but has actually been nerfed we are at a VERY poor state of balance OR, the skill and quality of players in the game is at absolute zero.

    That awkward moment when I must admit I totally agree with Crab Fear :#

  • CutesySylveon.8290CutesySylveon.8290 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    you know when people are complaining about renegade that has actually never been buffed, but has actually been nerfed we are at a VERY poor state of balance OR, the skill and quality of players in the game is at absolute zero.

    Other classes getting nerfed more than renegade is the same as renegade getting buffed.

    No, that's not how it works. Saying everything got butchered as bad as Chrono doesn't mean Chrono is any better, it just means everything is bad. This is also how you continue a race to the bottom where everything is absolutely terrible.

  • K K.3514K K.3514 Member

    @ollbirtan.2915 said:

    @Djuna.4387 said:
    Once again we have wintraders pulling sleezy kitten in PvP! :)

    Now, I am fully aware of the subreddits rules against witchhunting - however I am sure we can all agree that none of us want these kinds of people in our game, oh and also making posts like this on reddit is legitimately the only way to get ArenaNet's attention on these kinds of issues which is pretty disgraceful, but hey there we go, we have no choice if we want our gamemode to be moderated.

    I present to you two individuals: Bazile.5168 and TheRealBribri.4068. Amusingly the latter has previously been dishonoured twice for wintrading - clearly the guy is not getting the idea that he shouldn't. Now, Bribri has been throwing games deliberately for Bazile. If you look at the leaderboards at the time of this post (https://i.imgur.com/CuT367C.png) then you'll see Bazile currently holds Rank 2. However for approximately half the season this player - who many top players will agree is not good enough to hold this position so consistently - whilst barely gaining any games. Many of the games that he does play (in order to not decay and lose ranking) are plagued with conveniant occurences such as disconnects and random afks (particularly from Bribri).

    Now you may be asking for some proof. Here are some screenshots, though I am sure others from the PvP community who have experienced this behaviour will be able to chime in with their own.

    https://i.imgur.com/2b2Y780.jpg

    This screenshot shows the player (Bribri) having already started afking in a game that wasn't completely lost - especially with their composition.

    https://i.imgur.com/XdKvVnn.jpg

    This second screenshot is a couple of minutes after the first, and shows that Bribri has barely moved from spawn. Reading through the whispers you can see that Bribri didn't really try to kill Falan (the screenshotter) in this case. Most importantly however you can see that these two names Zero Two (Bribri) and Moogen Done (Bazile) are versus one another, and somewhat amusingly Bazile whispers the screenshotter to stop talking about the obvious wintrade suggesting that the game is fair - why would someone innocent protest such a thing in whispers?

    https://i.imgur.com/HJv6IGn.jpg

    This third screenshot is a little less clear - however we can grasp a couple of things from it. Blue team has a very very strong composition, the double rev should win most teamfights, especially on a map like Temple. The fact that we see Red team so far in the lead is surprising. But there we have those two names again: Zero Two and Moogen Done.

    You could argue that the last screenshot is weak and purely circumstantial, which is fair enough, but the reality is that many many people in the high end community have experienced this behaviour over the last season, and frankly that and all our reports alone should be enough for ArenaNet to investigate. For those who suggest that ArenaNet does investigate our reports, I can tell you this is completely false as there are still at least five PvP bots with 2k games that have been reported months ago and still play to this day. It's a massively disappointing trend.

    I'd ask that people that have witnessed this stuff to please share screenshots and what not so that something might finally be done about these players.

    That's all fun and stuff, but stay on topic maybe>? Thanks.
    P.S. Naming will get you a forum ban easily.

    Already gotten a post regarding this matter removed and received a warning - without even naming anyone XD

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    you know when people are complaining about renegade that has actually never been buffed, but has actually been nerfed we are at a VERY poor state of balance OR, the skill and quality of players in the game is at absolute zero.

    I came in here thinking it was a troll thread :s

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Shao.7236Shao.7236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Of course if you eat all the punishment and use all your skills while they have defensive buffs you're not gonna win.

    Willing to help with anything Revenant related.

  • Arkantos.7460Arkantos.7460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    I think renegade needs number nerfs but mechanic buffs.

    Shortbow 2 and 3 are useless. Shortbow 4 is semi-useful. In many cases, you are better off spamming 1.
    Spirits can't be used to or from no-port zones.
    Spirit AoEs have too much screen clutter. They also need different colors.

    this plz agreed

  • AngelLovesFredrik.6741AngelLovesFredrik.6741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Xca.9721 said:
    As a rev main I was so disappointed when they introduced Renegade, one of the worst specs that came with PoF. All of the utility skills have no interaction with each other, you use them once and thats it. Now that everything has been nerfed (except Renegade) it somehow became viable, but let´s be honest: Fighting a Renegade can be as annoying as pre nerf Mirage with all the vision clutter. I really hope (but highly doubt) that they will rework Renegade one day and make it a spec that is fun to play.

    Herald is still the strongest class in the game.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • CutesySylveon.8290CutesySylveon.8290 Member ✭✭✭

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Xca.9721 said:
    As a rev main I was so disappointed when they introduced Renegade, one of the worst specs that came with PoF. All of the utility skills have no interaction with each other, you use them once and thats it. Now that everything has been nerfed (except Renegade) it somehow became viable, but let´s be honest: Fighting a Renegade can be as annoying as pre nerf Mirage with all the vision clutter. I really hope (but highly doubt) that they will rework Renegade one day and make it a spec that is fun to play.

    Herald is still the strongest class in the game.

    Why would you bring up Herald in response to their opinions on Renegade?

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2020

    @CutesySylveon.8290 said:

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Xca.9721 said:
    As a rev main I was so disappointed when they introduced Renegade, one of the worst specs that came with PoF. All of the utility skills have no interaction with each other, you use them once and thats it. Now that everything has been nerfed (except Renegade) it somehow became viable, but let´s be honest: Fighting a Renegade can be as annoying as pre nerf Mirage with all the vision clutter. I really hope (but highly doubt) that they will rework Renegade one day and make it a spec that is fun to play.

    Herald is still the strongest class in the game.

    Why would you bring up Herald in response to their opinions on Renegade?
    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Xca.9721 said:
    As a rev main I was so disappointed when they introduced Renegade, one of the worst specs that came with PoF. All of the utility skills have no interaction with each other, you use them once and thats it. Now that everything has been nerfed (except Renegade) it somehow became viable, but let´s be honest: Fighting a Renegade can be as annoying as pre nerf Mirage with all the vision clutter. I really hope (but highly doubt) that they will rework Renegade one day and make it a spec that is fun to play.

    Herald is still the strongest class in the game.

    We're talking about renegade though.

    To keep renegade viable in PvP, it needs some changes. I would rather have it deleted from PvP in it's current form, it's just terrible when it blocks visibility of an ENTIRE TEAMFIGHT just by putting down 2 summons. Good luck seeing things like Corrosive Posion Cloud, when the entire battlefield is lit up by a jumbled mess of magical particles.
    I have one idea that might be relatively easy to implement: make renegade summon animations render MUCH HIGHER. And maybe have a faint line from the summon towards the entities affected by them. That way you can see the actual combat if you are in that teamfight(but if you climbed up to a no-port zone as a longbow ranger/deadeye etc, your view is still somewhat blocked). Their area effect and hitbox could remain the same, just lift the animation up SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE.