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Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭

unique downstate yes BUT please balance them it cant be that some are so strong that they can self rezz while being attacked or that they can almost one shot u

thank u

please take a look anet and maybe u see what u can balance

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  • Pyroen.2086Pyroen.2086 Member ✭✭

    I agree. some downstates feel useless like revenant or elementalist.

  • Aihao.5824Aihao.5824 Member ✭✭

    @Balsa.3951 said:
    they can almost one shot u

    that's power sb i guess?

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2020

    Tier 1 Downstates

    Elementalist

    Thief

    Tier 2 Downstates

    Ranger

    Mesmer

    Tier 3 Downstates

    Guardian

    Engineer

    Tier 4 Downstates

    Warrior

    Revenant

    Garbage Tier Downstate

    Necro

    Warrior/rev are prolly a good baseline. Any downstates above those needs a nerf.

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Downed states overall actually aren’t all that good. Where they are somewhat effective:
    1. Downed states with healing.
    2. Downed states with heavy damage.
    3. Downed states with both healing and damage.
    4. Niche abilities that may tip the scales or be useless.

    Tier 1 (impactful, still not great imo):

    • Necro (moderate healing and damage)
    • Ranger (high healing)
    • Mesmer (high damage)

    Tier 2 (moderate impact, mechanics have counterplay)

    • Elementalist (invuln stomp denial/mobility)
    • Thief (stealth stomp denial, teleport x1)
    • Guardian (AoE knock back and healing)

    Tier 3 (low impact)

    • Warrior (knockdown, rally)
    • Revenant (knock back)
    • Engineer* (pull and knock back)

    *Scrapper has some tier 2 aspects here because I believe Function Gyro can be used in downed state. It doesn’t happen that often so I’m going to put it solidly in tier 3.

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A lot of downstates have BS sides to them depending on what you're playing.

    If you're running glass, thief, mesmer and necro can literally kill you while they are down.
    If you don't have access to stab stomping an engy isn't easy and if timed right a warrior can delay a stomp to vengeance.
    Ele, thief and ranger you have to stomp as they can easily get to the node or self rez if left.
    Rev can take someone out of the game entirely with the knockback into a wall but otherwise are only annoying with the slow.

    Everyone has a BS aspect to the downstate, closest to "fair" is guardian.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eugchriss.2046 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
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    necro and ranger downstate are worse than thief and ele. LOL

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @lodjur.1284 said:
    Tier 1 Downstates

    Elementalist

    Thief

    Tier 2 Downstates

    Ranger

    Mesmer

    Tier 3 Downstates

    Guardian

    Engineer

    Tier 4 Downstates

    Warrior

    Revenant

    Garbage Tier Downstate

    Necro

    lmao, is this some kind of meme I've missed?

    Ele clearly has the strongest, impossible to safestomp.

    Thief is similar, slightly weaker 2 skill, much better 3 skill.

    Ranger has a mediocre 2 skill, but a fantastic 3 skill.

    Necro is one of the easiest to safestomp (stab, aegis, blind and the only one where resistance works but at least not projectile blocks like engi/war tho, can also be cleared to vastly cut the duration). Only warrior and engi are easier to safestomp, but both of those come with play okay 3 skills.

    A downstate tier list should clearly be based on how good the class is at, in order of importance.

    1. Avoiding stomps
    2. Getting away from the fight
    3. Healing
    4. Damage

    Ögonen omges av vita och svarta penseldrag som gör att de ser större ut än vad de egentligen är. Baksidan av lodjurets öron kantas av svart päls som slutar i den karaktäristiska tofsen högst upp på örat. Lodjurets svans är kortare än de flesta andra kattdjurs.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    make everyone have the same downstate skill, throw debris, pray to gods, try to bandage, give up and die. only those 4 skills

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭

    @Anet any plans on balancing downstate? or do we need accept that some classes get a frebie for no reason ?

  • downstates are actually p balanced tbh. here's my run down

    revenant: slow on auto to stop cleaving which is annoying and a super meme far kb #2
    warrior: omega trash #2 and bad #1 but must respect the vengeance if he has impact skills like banner and zerker rampage
    guardian: jigga trash auto except it can cast off blind, good aoe #2 and good healing for self rez and late rez on #3
    ranger: bad #1, ok #2 bc it's hard to see, obvious best #3 in game which has to be insanely respected even at the highest level
    engi: total trash tbh, bad #1 pretty bad #2 decent #3, only reasonable bc of double cc
    thief: #1 is actually insane damage, #2 obviously good, #3 is ok, overall top tier
    mes: confu on #1 is nutty on condi, #2 very good, #3 can meme people hard with 6k hits
    ele: bad #1, godlike #2 with portal usage etc
    necro: godly #1 for damage and sustain, #2 trash but terror can literally carry a fight #3 is jigga damage

  • Aktium.9506Aktium.9506 Member ✭✭✭

    @DoritoGod.5817 said:
    revenant: a super meme far kb #2

    As someone who likes stomping over bleeding foes, no skill has ever pushed me into the terrain of maps as much as that one skill. Not even LB4 on Ranger.

    I feel a genuine tinge of fear when I am near a downed rev and there is a wall or a pillar or something behind me.

  • Buran.3796Buran.3796 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pyroen.2086 said:
    I agree. some downstates feel useless like revenant or elementalist.

    Downstate improvements isn't a thing you shouldn't ask for. Starting because isn't even a place in which you want to be.

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭

    2 players both same skill level, one guardian the other Ranger both go down the same moment due one tick of burn. or to make it more funny the guard goes down 5 seconds later

    Who will win ?

    now we say its not a 1v1 in contest but sometimes it is and mini seasons with the upcoming 3v3 before 2v2 will have some day a 1v1 for sure

    I see no reason why the outcome of who win the down fight is already decided by choosing the class

  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The peak joy of downstate is fighting a downed Ancient Seeds Druid with 2 double-CC pets. Bonus points for traited Beastly Warden.

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aihao.5824 said:

    @Balsa.3951 said:
    they can almost one shot u

    that's power sb i guess?

    mesmer 3 hit truck ton

    also there's one time i downded 1v2 downed 2 guardian one next to each other and they just pressed 3 and instantly rezzed both of them