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Cal Cohen.2358Cal Cohen.2358 ArenaNet ArenaNet 

Hi folks,

First off, apologies as this post is running a few days late. As many of you have noticed, we haven't activated the next mini-season yet. We're trying some different things as we look for the right balance of conquest season to mini-season to true off-season. The general feedback that we got with the 2v2 season is that it ran a bit long given the meta and the lack of direct balance considerations for the the game mode, and that the immediate transition from season to mini-season didn't give much time to relax and reset. This time around, we're having a week (this week) with no active season, followed by a two-week mini-season of 3v3 TDM. The 3v3 season will start around the usual time next Tuesday. We'll see how the two-week season feels and will continue to evaluate mini-season length moving forward.

aka cmc
Game Designer on PvP/WvW

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  • Happy Yes.1453Happy Yes.1453 Member ✭✭✭

    There is 1 question which will have far greater impact on the leaderboard than balance: is it solo double or triple q?

  • Dagubah.8976Dagubah.8976 Member ✭✭

    Excited to try out 3v3! Thanks for the update and happy to hear you're keeping an open mind about structure :)

    don't wanna speak too soon but 2 weeks of an off season seems just slightly too short, 3 weeks maybe? but we'll see just thinking out loud here

  • Dagubah.8976Dagubah.8976 Member ✭✭

    Also any reason for doing 3v3 instead of 2v2?

  • Trigr.6481Trigr.6481 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2020

    You're doing gods work son

  • bethekey.8314bethekey.8314 Member ✭✭✭

    But why male models?

    In order to ensure our forums are pleasant and safe for all forum members, we expect all contributors to be respectful of one another. Posts that are rude towards or attack another member, single out a player for ridicule, or that accuse someone of inappropriate behavior will be removed.

  • Shadowmoon.7986Shadowmoon.7986 Member ✭✭✭

    Will season archivements still be 25 win and 60 participation? That alot of games over a 2 week period.

  • TPMN.1483TPMN.1483 Member ✭✭✭

    Thank you for the communication update and the willingness to try something new.

    It would be nice if you didn’t schedule the season to start at the same time as the next living story update for those that do both content modes.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Will season archivements still be 25 win and 60 participation? That alot of games over a 2 week period.

    stay at home
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    Te lazla otstara.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm kind of curious if the 2v2 maps will be used or just courtyard? Is it a 3 man que or still just 2 man?

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭

    It will be nice to see FB + Necro + Rev all together on the same team. xD

  • rng.1024rng.1024 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    It will be nice to see FB + Necro + Rev all together on the same team. xD

    You forget triple condi thief :#

  • John.8507John.8507 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Will season archivements still be 25 win and 60 participation? That alot of games over a 2 week period.

    Thinking the same??

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    @rng.1024 said:

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    It will be nice to see FB + Necro + Rev all together on the same team. xD

    You forget triple condi thief :#

    1x pd condi thief
    1x stance share one wolf pack soulbeast
    1x mirage for broken infinite horizon ambush damage

    Well, the Thieves Guild and the Pet and the Clones soaking up all those buffs, will be absolutely broken AI burst.

    And A LOT of targets on the screen to soak cleave limits, which is unintended damage mitigation.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Happy Yes.1453 said:
    There is 1 question which will have far greater impact on the leaderboard than balance: is it solo double or triple q?

    This is the only thing that matters about incoming mini season

  • Will the 3v3 allow a Core Ranger, Druid, and Soulbeast all on the same team?

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I hope the achievements (if there are any) are balanced towards the shorter time. This is important.

  • mistsim.2748mistsim.2748 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    Can you guys focus more on 3v3's, and move away from 5v5 formats? Everyone is tired of Conquest. Just consider having a new (permanent) game mode.

    My other "tip" is to not even consider opening this up without some focused nerfs to shave Malyx/Herald. While somewhat manageable in 5's, this thing will absolutely plague and ruin 3's.

  • Ziggy.3842Ziggy.3842 Member ✭✭

    GvG support when?

    [KEK] Ziggy

  • Erothan.2806Erothan.2806 Member
    edited May 22, 2020

    @Project exa.3204 said:
    But what about the droid attack on the wookies??

    It is critical we send an attack group there immediately.

  • rng.1024rng.1024 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @rng.1024 said:

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    It will be nice to see FB + Necro + Rev all together on the same team. xD

    You forget triple condi thief :#

    1x pd condi thief
    1x stance share one wolf pack soulbeast
    1x mirage for broken infinite horizon ambush damage

    Well, the Thieves Guild and the Pet and the Clones soaking up all those buffs, will be absolutely broken AI burst.

    And A LOT of targets on the screen to soak cleave limits, which is unintended damage mitigation.

    Guessing opening stealth will be meta, since it negates all that and you can focus a target at your leisure.

    But other than that it's not that different from an organised conquest mid engagement and therefore should teach people to call targets, kite and peel - emphasis on should..

    It's good though, because these temporary modes force realisations useable in ranked seasons, now I'm just waiting for something that can improve rotations as team deathmatches are largely decided by builds below top 100.

  • Aktium.9506Aktium.9506 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    And A LOT of targets on the screen to soak cleave limits, which is unintended damage mitigation.

    Unless it's been changed since, there's a priority system so all AI (except clones I think) get hit last with cleave.
    So if you have 2 players and 10 AI grouped up and you use a 3 target AoE the players will always get hit regardless.

  • DoomNexus.5324DoomNexus.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    Very nice to see a 3v3 mode getting introduced! Love to see the changes in the past couple months (those I am aware of at least).
    It's really unfortunate you already pretty much lost me. Hopefully I'll one day return to the game when sPvP is fun again. Still really hope full team Q will come back some day tho - regardless of 2v2 3v3 4v4 5v5 or XvX. Doesn't really make a lot of sense anymore for me otherwise (even tho I'm pretty much solo because everyone left the game a long, long, looooooooooong time before I did but still..).
    Keep it up guys, you're doing a great job! Probably not easy to clean up the mess your predecessors made over several years.

    PS: updates are still getting posted in my discord server otherwise I wouldn't care about GW2 anymore tbh and would definitely not go to the forums or even post here.

  • Revolution.5409Revolution.5409 Member ✭✭✭

    @rng.1024 said:

    @Revolution.5409 said:
    It will be nice to see FB + Necro + Rev all together on the same team. xD

    You forget triple condi thief :#

    Or Ranger with flocks of birds. lol

  • memausz.7264memausz.7264 Member ✭✭✭

    Can you please ban class stacking?

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    You are all wrong, tripple power scourge will dominate everything

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    Great. Now if we could get the same info about upcoming balance updates, that'd be good.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    will be absolutely broken AI burst.

    we like absolutely broken AI burst, (no sarcazm !!) and we like see respect of skill domination, and we have it. If someone think that this is easy - he/she alsways can take magic op class, magic biuld and be top 50. But how I see there is something more, that put me in silver division than this season ends, and no matter that I use build from top10.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ziggy.3842 said:
    GvG support when?

    hope no. We have enough content for role-play players. Welcome on Caledon forest.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • ChSch.1596ChSch.1596 Member ✭✭

    Do we start with a new 1200 3vs3 mmr or do we start with a (1200+"old 2vs2 mmr")/2? Think 2 weeks saison after all beginn with 1200 mmr should be a bit short. First 2 weeks after all start with the same mmr normaly should end in chaotic team compositions and in chaotic matches. In this case Duo queue should be totally OP.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Will season archivements still be 25 win and 60 participation? That alot of games over a 2 week period.

    good question. Very good question. Hope this part was reviewed.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    @memausz.7264 said:
    Can you please ban class stacking?

    there is no any point to do this. We have very good mmr system. So there is no any needed to block progress for some friends group who want play whit same class. This is not tournament. .(also I am sure that on tournament we also should accept any class setup, but this is another and long talk)
    But on auto-matchmaking make some class split as always is good idea. And I am sure it is already done.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • It is great that you try to develop new pvp modes, but many people really want to have normal ranked season it theese modes, at least for unranked, now it is too bad system of player selection in case there is not enough players, theese type of pvp will help with this, even have both mods 2v2 and 3v3 but with different rewords would be great

  • Tomixus.3486Tomixus.3486 Member ✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    Real question is; how many Ascended Shards/Tickets we can farm from this?

  • Allarius.5670Allarius.5670 Member ✭✭✭

    CMC confirmed yesterday on the GW2 "We play WvW" stream a handful of balance changes to be included in the patch for next Tuesday. Expect changes to condi-Thief and Ranger birds. I did not see/hear specifics.

    Also, someone on Reddit confirmed 3-man queue for the mini-season. Take that as you will.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Allarius.5670 said:
    CMC confirmed yesterday on the GW2 "We play WvW" stream a handful of balance changes to be included in the patch for next Tuesday. Expect changes to condi-Thief and Ranger birds. I did not see/hear specifics.

    Also, someone on Reddit confirmed 3-man queue for the mini-season. Take that as you will.

    I hope not now solo players have to que into threemades. I was thinking at least it'll be 1 duo and a solo vs 1 duo and a solo often. I know I know just make 2 frands that always play when I do

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    @Allarius.5670 said:
    CMC confirmed yesterday on the GW2 "We play WvW" stream a handful of balance changes to be included in the patch for next Tuesday. Expect changes to condi-Thief and Ranger birds. I did not see/hear specifics.

    ofc do some boost to d/d condi thief is good idea, may be it will help me up my silver division, and make some unknown changes with ranger, but I don't see point, - they both useles on blob, and not accepatable in normal squad anywhere, and if we have same changes in pvp it also not change anything, skilled player still op, non skilled - still, not op. So on next Tuesday we will get some gift. Will see.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    I hope not now solo players have to que into threemades.

    why not ? one skilled player can kill 3. It only depend from skill. Opposite, we should push it make more open for skill and teambiulding dominate.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    I hope not now solo players have to que into threemades.

    why not ? one skilled player can kill 3. It only depend from skill. Opposite, we should push it make more open for skill and teambiulding dominate.

    Uh no 1 skilled player won't kill 3. Let your 2 teammates die and then go win in this mini season. Duo que was and advantage over solo que so 3 dudes most likely necro gaurd rev combo who are in discord and always play together vs 3 solo que guys of any class are going to win every single time. I know you a teef and when you win those what you call 1v3s it's you won 3 1 v 1s because you jump one down stealth finish run reset come back down the 2nd stealth finish run come back and win. So yeah you won 3 1 v 1.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Allarius.5670 said:
    CMC confirmed yesterday on the GW2 "We play WvW" stream a handful of balance changes to be included in the patch for next Tuesday. Expect changes to condi-Thief and Ranger birds. I did not see/hear specifics.

    ofc do some boost to d/d condi thief is good idea, may be it will help me up my silver division, and make some unknown changes with ranger, but I don't see point, - they both useles on blob, and not accepatable in normal squad anywhere, and if we have same changes in pvp it also not change anything, skilled player still op, non skilled - still, not op. So on next Tuesday we will get some gift. Will see.

    you do realize condi thief will be nerfed and not buffed?