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Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

A simple question and I want to meet fellow people who liked/like him.
I think he was just so much misunderstood (like me) and his writing could have been better.

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  • Taylan.2187Taylan.2187 Member ✭✭✭

    I was pretty indifferent to him. Don't get the hate lol.

  • I neither like nor hate. What I don't understand though is how people came to the conclusion that he "got all of the credit and glory for killing Zhiatan." I've been playing since the betas and I've never once seen him take credit for that.

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  • Tukaram.8256Tukaram.8256 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't care much for most of the story characters (too bad the GW heroes were better written than these characters). Trahearne was one of the few that was ok.

    The one I really don't like is the drunk Norn, I forget his name. I never noticed him until Grothmar Valley, and I took an instant dislike to him.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    Never had any major issue with him. His dialogue delivery was a bit off at times, but his character was otherwise fine. To be honest I've not been overly invested in many Sylvari characters beyond Canach and Faolain (who was under developed sadly as a antagonist), but I can't say I disliked Trahearne either.

    @Uden Reavstone.3426 said:
    I neither like nor hate. What I don't understand though is how people came to the conclusion that he "got all of the credit and glory for killing Zhiatan." I've been playing since the betas and I've never once seen him take credit for that.

    Because like most things (esp on the internet), a few people interpreted his position in the game incorrectly and far too many jumped on the bandwaggon. We've seen it with Scarlet (although criticism of her was entirely justifiable - almost everyone proclaiming her a "Mary Sue" when I bet half prob didn't even understand the term they parroted meant, was annoying), Braham, Taimi and other characters/parts of the game as well.

    Some do come up with actually well argued reasons and that's fine, but too many just parrot what is trending and run with it without thinking it. Trahearne did not steal our credit or our thunder. Taking out Zhaitan always was a largely team effort where we ourselves played a central role in most of the heroic set pieces of the campaign and got the credit for it. We even get a heroes welcome at the end (just like in GW1 - I miss those).

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  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I liked him. It was sort of nice to have a leader that was always asking questions... very under utilized literary mechanic. He didnt feel over the top to me like most characters.

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    Trahearne is awesome. But I kinda believe that people who like him are more often the quiet types and don't crawl out of their cave that often (unless they do for a heartfelt and passionate defence of said Firstborn when someone talks bad about him) :D

    And did you know he can smile too?

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  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    I also never had issues with him. Yes, the writing could have been better, but his character arc was pretty good. The ending was awful, though.
    And he was one of our more reliable NPC friends. When I first played the story, I remember being pretty disappointed in DE. Even after the Zhaitan fight and everything we had been through, they still refused to see the bigger picture in LS2 and went back to their smallscale local stuff. Trahearne, OTOH, didn't have us do chores first before agreeing to join the Summit in the Grove. He just sent a letter and then attended, no drama, no issues about his priorities. Good ally.

    Edit: And since PoF I've been pretty worried about his soul, actually. With that soul-eating monster in the Realm of the Lost... I mean, if our death in PoF counted as traumatic, then his death surely qualified for the Realm of the Lost, too. :(
    We haven't seen or heard anything from him since then, even though ghosts are pretty much a thing. The ghost army against Kralkatorrik was led by Gwen for some reason. Why would she, if the actual founder of the Pact was around? But maybe he wasn't around. Eir and Snaff visited, which was nice, but... I am worried.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I did a poll back in the day and found that those who started with a Sylvari as their first character tended to like Trahearne (about 70%) and those who didn't tended to dislike him (80% or so).

    One of the main complaints for non Sylvari was that he just showed up out of nowhere and took over the story but Sylvari characters met him much earlier.

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fenella.2634 said:

    Edit: And since PoF I've been pretty worried about his soul, actually. With that soul-eating monster in the Realm of the Lost... I mean, if our death in PoF counted as traumatic, then his death surely qualified for the Realm of the Lost, too. :(
    We haven't seen or heard anything from him since then, even though ghosts are pretty much a thing. The ghost army against Kralkatorrik was led by Gwen for some reason. Why would she, if the actual founder of the Pact was around? But maybe he wasn't around. Eir and Snaff visited, which was nice, but... I am worried.

    I believe he was strong enough to deal with it. And his death was a nasty kitten but a victory and a great accomplishment at the same time. Reforging Caladbolg probably helped as well (if needed).
    He didn't show up because he's a wise man and won't go where he's not welcome...

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  • Ooops.8694Ooops.8694 Member ✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    All Trahearne did most of the time was muttering his "This won't end well" phrase and die, stalling the instance. Then you rezzed him and he ran off in the different direction to die there... Then you rezzed him again an he was stuck and did not react at all until you pulled mobs to him to kill and rezz him again... And at least it felt like this for every single instanced story instance he was in.

    So basically... it's not a story problem per se. But the gameplay with him was so bad, you really had to build a serious connection to him to be anything but annoyed constantly.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I had no problem with him at all but it’s been a while since I remembered him too

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  • As > @Vayne.8563 said:

    One of the main complaints for non Sylvari was that he just showed up out of nowhere and took over the story but Sylvari characters met him much earlier.

    The problem with a lot of story characters is that the bond you create is like istantaneous and doesn't feel earned. That being said, I loved Treaharne: he was a Sylvari, born to be a hero, but he didn't just do his Wyld Hunt, his arc (while not well developed) was about transforming a scholar and a thinker in a general. I don't really see him stealing the spotlight, but rather I see how he was the one that made sure that the orders and the character could shine.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I liked him. :3 good fellow

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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2020

    He should have stayed in the office behind a map. Whenever he tried to join me, his helpless sword-swinging and pessimistic random comments trampled on my nerves.

    In the end I liked to chop his head.

  • Martnor.1746Martnor.1746 Member ✭✭✭

    I think for the core game and first few seasons of the Living World, the game struggled to really develop their characters. They lacked depths or interactions with the player. Depending on the choices you made, some NPCs died but I struggled to care. For example in the "Against the corruption" mission where Havroun Grechen dies, I think she made a noble sacrifice but I didn't know her so her death had little impact on me. Trehearne fared a little better as he went further in the story but I still feel a bit detached from him. I like the concept of the character and had nothing against him but found him a bit hollow.

  • Kulvar.1239Kulvar.1239 Member ✭✭✭

    I mostly remember him as "let's scatter those foes out of your AoE so you wasted your time packing them and your skill cooldowns for the giggles".
    That's about all I cared about him. If not for that, I think I would have forgotten him as he's uninterestingly boring to me.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    His monotone voice and his bland personality were mildly annoying.
    Other than that, I didn't mind too much.

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭

    Trahearne himself, wasn't too bad. His voice was very monotonous and he lacked a lot of well... Anything. But being bland isn't bad, it's just bland. There's plenty of people in real life who are just bland and that's fine. He even has a reason for being bland, what with being a bit of a social outcast spending time studying rather than socializing.

    My only qualm with him, personally, was when he started calling all the new Sylvari the "Secondborn" because that's not very nice, since it can be interpreted as them being inferior...

    Really, outside of that, he's just at the mercy of the poor writing.

    He should have shown up to the story for non-Sylvari earlier than when the arc was shifting to his Wyld Hunt. Given his frienship with the Order mentors, it would have made sense for him to show up during the Order quests.

    He should not have become the leader of the Pact. Instead, someone with actual military experience should have led, while Trahearne should have been an advisor (Perhaps he could become a leader later in the storyline after a unplanned catastrophe happens and the leader dies and Trahearne ends up being calm and reasonable in the crisis and actually leads the survivors to safety thus gaining their trust in his ability to make decisions about tactics - While being supported by the 3 Order representatives whom can provide him with military based plans) putting him in a similar position to our PC, not at the helm of a military operation that you have no experience in, but still playing an important role.

    After the fall of Zhaitan, he should have left the Pact and gone and done something else. Such as researching Scarlet and later Mordremoth. Maybe joining an Order such as the Vigil so he can learn how to actually use his fancy magical sword properly. Anything really, especially if it gives him reason to pop up now and then throughout our journeys as we share information and catch up (You know, more than popping up like twice during LW2 and being like "Hello, I am here." as his entire dialogue across the entire story)

    But alas, that didn't happen. So instead, we get a Trahearne who pops up out of nowhere for 4/5 Races PS. Who then gets a fancy magical sword for reasons only really known by Sylvari players whom have the lore of Saladbowl shown throughout their earlier PS quests. Then randomly becomes the leader of a military organization shortly after literally every military personnel scoffed at him trying to provide military advice. Then he basically poofs into the aether until he reappears just to get stabbed in the face by his fancy magical sword.

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  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I, too, liked Trahearne. He's one of the few Sylvari I like aside from Canach and Laranthir.

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cynder.2509 said:
    A simple question and I want to meet fellow people who liked/like him.
    I think he was just so much misunderstood (like me) and his writing could have been better.

    I never had any issue with him. There are some who did and others who hopped on that bandwagon.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2020

    I sometimes wonder if players know why they feel something about an opinion. I urge you. To ask yourself that atleast 7 x

    Do I dislike traherne?

    No. Why? Because met him in my sylvari early days

    Why? Because he was only following his wild hunt (Witcher reference)

    Why? Because I realized we all had a role to play. His destiny was that and mines something else.

    Why? Because what people felt for him could be how others would feel for my room.

    Why? Because I empathized and realized. I'll do what is right even if others will judge me.

    Why ? Because slaying is all.

    Why? Because it makes my character happy.

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  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    He felt a littled shoved into my personal story as a Charr. Been eight years since I actually played and listened to that part of the story.

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  • I DO play sylvari, and I DO like trahearne...

  • mezuzel.4987mezuzel.4987 Member ✭✭
    edited May 26, 2020

    You're not the only person who likes Trahearne. He's one of my favorite characters! Maybe even my most favorite. I like his voice acting (don't understand how people think it's monotone), his character, and his role in the game. And my first character was a charr and my main is a human, so it's not that I met him as a sylvari PC first. I miss him in the game, and I was very disappointed that Anet gave in to the vocal haters and went the direction they did with him in HoT.

    @Fenella.2634 said:
    Edit: And since PoF I've been pretty worried about his soul, actually. With that soul-eating monster in the Realm of the Lost... I mean, if our death in PoF counted as traumatic, then his death surely qualified for the Realm of the Lost, too. :(
    We haven't seen or heard anything from him since then, even though ghosts are pretty much a thing. The ghost army against Kralkatorrik was led by Gwen for some reason. Why would she, if the actual founder of the Pact was around? But maybe he wasn't around. Eir and Snaff visited, which was nice, but... I am worried.

    Same! We met a sylvari in the Domain of the Lost, so it's possible he could be there. I hope we'll meet him again someday in the Mists.

    @anninke.7469 said:
    Trahearne is awesome. But I kinda believe that people who like him are more often the quiet types and don't crawl out of their cave that often (unless they do for a heartfelt and passionate defence of said Firstborn when someone talks bad about him) :disappointed:

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  • Fenella.2634Fenella.2634 Member ✭✭✭

    @Taril.8619 said:
    My only qualm with him, personally, was when he started calling all the new Sylvari the "Secondborn" because that's not very nice, since it can be interpreted as them being inferior...

    Yes, that and a few other things... He was not a pure hero type character or anything like that, he did have major flaws. But I still think all in all he was a good character for the story. Could have been handled better, though.

    He should not have become the leader of the Pact. Instead, someone with actual military experience should have led, while Trahearne should have been an advisor (Perhaps he could become a leader later in the storyline after a unplanned catastrophe happens and the leader dies and Trahearne ends up being calm and reasonable in the crisis and actually leads the survivors to safety thus gaining their trust in his ability to make decisions about tactics - While being supported by the 3 Order representatives whom can provide him with military based plans) putting him in a similar position to our PC, not at the helm of a military operation that you have no experience in, but still playing an important role.

    That would have made more sense for his initial characterization, true.
    But I think that's where the writers were in trouble: There is no character at this point who would have made a good Pact Marshall. The PC can't do it, because the PC can't be TOO important in a game like this. Also, no military experience. Letting us be the second in command is already pretty brave for Anet. Everyone from the three orders is out, too, because they didn't want one order to be "higher" than the rest.
    Logan also couldn't have done it at this time, because the Destiny's Edge plot was still unresolved and all members had to be on an equal footing for that time.
    So... Who's left?

    I think this is actually the reason Trahearne was invented at all. Notice how he was one of the characters whose concept had only been finished pretty late into develpment. Absolutely zero mention of him in any of the novels, even though his backstory could have tied in here and there. (And his history with the orders alone could have been its own novel.) So yes, I'm rather certain that he was created specifically to fill that role as the Pact Marshall.

    So if we assume he could have been an adviser, then some other character would have been created from scratch. Would people have liked that one better? Who knows.

  • Sigerk.2897Sigerk.2897 Member ✭✭
    edited May 27, 2020

    Character itself was awesome, with the potential to really be something else. The right ingredients were there, intriguing background, one of the first born, Orr specialist, Necro. Quiet, withdrawn type. But the static story cinematics really didn't do the Zhaitan arc any favours. Or any story for that matter. As soon as the cutscenes started it felt like watching wooden characters badly acting their way through a story. When they ditched that method it already improved a lot, but the damage already had been done, and the voice acting + writing also didn't do any favours for the character. They redeemed him well in HoT though, so at least he didn't leave a sour taste.

    Playing Sylvari also helps in appreciating the character a bit more. Especially going through HoT, which is something I recommend to anyone interested.
    (They also do a bit of this with Charr PC's in the new episode)

  • Ray Koopa.2354Ray Koopa.2354 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    Introduced a new player to the game and whole story 2 weeks ago. He really liked Trahearne. Especially his voice, he said, after I asked him directly about it, wondering how unbiased people rate it.
    The whole personal story voice acting was, compared to current story, a whole different world. Maybe even up to LWS2, it was just below average IMHO, as if the voice actors were not given any context in which to act, simply reading aloud lines with very basic emphasising. I sometimes bit myself on my lips watching the dialogue cut scenes with the new guy I introduced, hoping he wouldn't ask me about how unnatural or bland it is. He actually dismissed it as "probably being a bit older" and didn't see a big problem in it, but he likes the new stories a lot more because of them feeling more natural, also because of the dialogues being in-world.

    And I don't remember myself hating Trahearne. Though the "How does Trahearne like his steak? 'Well done!'" and "How many Trahearnes does it need to change a lightbulb? 'Commander, a word." jokes cannot be dismissed.

  • Edge.8724Edge.8724 Member ✭✭✭

    Kinda liked the guy, but to each their own I guess.

  • Xan.6280Xan.6280 Member

    My first full play through of original content (Sylvari) I really liked him, and the full play out of his story (in HoT) hit hard. A couple of partially completed characters and a second Sylvari later I could see his story from a different perspective and he seemed a tad full of himself at times. LW2 didn't do him much justice, seeing him though Caith's eyes. Really if there is a Sylvari that gets my ire it would be her. But over all I miss the character. Canach in the one I really enjoy. I haven't delved into Icebrood yet, but I was rather upset that you hear from all of the guild but him at the end of the previous story line.
    Trahearne gets hate because the writers had him delve into every aspect of the storyline with out having to commit to any one faction (as the player was forced to).
    He is the bookworm who found himself on the frontlines. I bet if polled you would find that a lot of folks who like Trahearne also like Doctor Who... but I digress.
    As many have said, we all have our favorite and our favorite to hate on NPCs. For me its Braham... some of it is my low tolerance for his voice actors voice (I'm a critter, and Sam is an awesome guy, but his voice and my ear drums do not get along), some of it is the all the emo pouting the character does... and hey some can relate to Braham and all his feels (16yr old me prolly would have). So I can see how some would resent a know-it-all walking talking book who decided to venture into the heart of danger and become a martyr, but I enjoyed the character they chose to walk an intertwining path with the player.

  • Mannah.4012Mannah.4012 Member ✭✭

    Best NPC ever. I love him <3

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    I happened to play a necromancer night sylvari from the priory when I met him for the first time... I didn't planned this, it was a perfect match... And instant love! My sylvari is still trying to save him in hot, they planted a seed in Orr, and it became their son, a revenant. I wouldn't have cared as much if I had played a human... This was pure luck and I cherish that storyline and the character.

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