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Hi, first sorry for my English, I hate this requirements and I want to know the statistics what thinks players because for new players very hard to play in raid and get li and kp, in lfg we saw only requirements with 250li and more kp and another which players sells raids and achiviements, you can say that I can go with trainings, but training requirements same with normal raid too , I buyed game not for this and still there are more problems which can not play in raids, this is looks like job not fun, why we cannot get li from world bosses or something another, and players with more li and kp uses this opportunity, pls write your opinion. With this progression I need about 2 or 3 years for legendary armor, in some cases I regret that I buyed game.

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  • Lexi.1398Lexi.1398 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    If legendary insights dropped from world bosses they wouldn't be killproof - proof of killing a raid boss- and raid LFGs would just ask for something else exclusively obtained in raids anyway. If the group is asking for kp/li and you don't have that, you probably shouldn't enter it - those groups aren't looking to take 2 hours to teach you the mechanics of the boss so you don't wipe the group, they're looking to clear most of the wings in just as much time, and will likely kick you as soon as they see someone failing mechanics constantly/doing like 2k dps on a dps build.

    I don't know what sort of training groups you've tried to find but i've certainly never heard of an actual training group that requires killproof (aka, you already know the boss mechanics) for a boss they're trying to teach you how to kill...? The only requirements for most training runs is having a build which does it's job sufficiently, aka your full soldiers bearbow LB ranger isn't going to provide enough dps to pass an encounter and nor is it providing boons/healing to keep everyone elses dps/health bar up too.

    Also if raiding is your only end game, maybe take a look at the rest of the game. In lots of mmos raids are the end game content, but not this one...anet is more concerned about easy open world maps than instanced content.

  • TPMN.1483TPMN.1483 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    If a group are asking for Legendary Insights and Kill Proof - it is because they want someone experienced which will not cause a group wipe. Many groups will also require externally validated kill proofs such as via http://killproof.me .
    There are training raid groups that will 'train' you and help you get some kill proof and legendary insights: https://www.snowcrows.com/raids/training/ -- check the link.

    The statistics on how things players have, I would check via https://gw2efficiency.com/ - it a good % sample of the playerbase. Generally 1% of the player-base who has registered on efficiency has the 250 LI / LD .

    The requirements for many is that you have a character properly geared, which you should be able to do and spend time getting this. I would advise having a 'DPS' class ready geared to start training and contact one of the groups or use the "looking for guild" section in the forums to find a group that will help you.

    PVE Legendary armor is from Raids, PVP Legendary armor is from PVP, WvW Legendary armor is from WvW. There is very little benefit of having legendary armor above ascended armor. This is not WoW where a higher tier of armor gives you more damage or damage absorption. This is designed for players who have many hours in the game and can be obtained with dedication, time and some effort.

  • @Cyninja.2954 said:
    The LFG groups which demands 250 LI or more are NOT for beginners.

    I saw only this in lfg, the fact is that I play about 4 month and I have only 15 li, if we get statistics I know exactly more players will agree with me, in guild there are requirements too. The most common action is kicked from squad.

  • TPMN.1483TPMN.1483 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    The LFG groups which demands 250 LI or more are NOT for beginners.

    I saw only this in lfg, the fact is that I play about 4 month and I have only 15 li, if we get statistics I know exactly more players will agree with me, in guild there are requirements too. The most common action is kicked from squad.

    Getting kicked is the correct action - you are not experienced enough to play in that group and will find it frustrating as you will not know whats going on.
    If you kill all the bosses in W1-4, you will get 15 LI each week - In 16 weeks you will have your 250 LI.

    Check out the 'training' guilds which have low requirements on the prior links and message I posted.

  • frqnbbsov.9806frqnbbsov.9806 Member ✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    @Lexi.1398 said:
    will likely kick you as soon as they see someone failing mechanics constantly/doing like 2k dps on a dps build.

    It is no matter what dps you have they kick you with no chance, because requirements first that they need.I have 15li and know mecanics but they still compare with li not with trying.

    I don't know what sort of training groups you've tried to find but i've certainly never heard of an actual training group that requires killproof (aka, you already know the boss mechanics) for a boss they're trying to teach you how to kill...?

    But facts say it is not that you think.

  • TPMN.1483TPMN.1483 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    @Lexi.1398 said:
    will likely kick you as soon as they see someone failing mechanics constantly/doing like 2k dps on a dps build.

    It is no matter what dps you have they kick you with no chance, because requirements first that they need.I have 15li and know mecanics but they still compare with li not with trying.

    Groups want success - individuals with more experience are more likely to be successful. If a person with high LI dies, performs badly - they will still be kicked. If you can show them video proof that you can do high DPS in groups and not fail mechanics, then it is more likely you may make it into a higher LI requirement group.

    I don't know what sort of training groups you've tried to find but i've certainly never heard of an actual training group that requires killproof (aka, you already know the boss mechanics) for a boss they're trying to teach you how to kill...?

    But facts say it is not that you think.

    You are defn. looking in the wrong places, see here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/gohyvr/eu_the_crossroads_inn_raid_training/

  • Lexi.1398Lexi.1398 Member ✭✭✭

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:
    But facts say it is not that you think.

    You have been given two different links to show you where training groups are that only have one requirement: a build that performs it's job.

    I learnt every boss in the game (except one) in the span of a month or two (and it only took that long because i held back from even trying some of the scarier bosses - something which i did not need to do at all) using one of those discords.

    So no, i don't "think" there are training groups that don't rquire killproof, i know they exist, i used one of them, and every guild i've been in that offers raid training has had the same standards. groups that require kp/li are NOT training groups, they are clearing groups.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:
    which players sells raids and achiviements

    I don't buy raid. It useless in this game. Need only for some non social people who need make some achievements ASAP.

    you can say that I can go with trainings, but training requirements same with normal raid too

    there is different requirements on training raids. Also try find another guild, or find on existing, some people do raids only with guild.

    I buyed game not for this and still there are more problems which can not play in raids

    only 3% complete raids in guildwars2. Raids in not main content here. It is some part of content only.

    this is looks like job not fun, why we cannot get li from world bosses or something another

    if this is will be done - no one be worried for li. You will be prevented share yours API key and raid use some tools to check how much and then raid was killed.
    So you should be happy that you can just hold ctrl and spam. This is gift, but not something bad.

    With this progression I need about 2 or 3 years for legendary armor

    2-3 years for leg set? You want be so fast? I play 7 years, and still not have any pve raid leg set. This is OK.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2020

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    The LFG groups which demands 250 LI or more are NOT for beginners.

    I saw only this in lfg, the fact is that I play about 4 month and I have only 15 li, if we get statistics I know exactly more players will agree with me, in guild there are requirements too. The most common action is kicked from squad.

    Look, you can argue as much as you want. I've told you how to best approach getting into raids.

    It doesn't matter how good you think you are. Chances are very high you are no where near as good as what players who ask for 250 LI want. As a matter of fact, there are a lot of players WITH 250 LI who are also terrible. The demand for LI is to pre sort BEFORE the run starts. It doesn't guarantee success. It doesn't guarantee you won't get kicked if you are bad. It simply allows initial access.

    You are new to raids. You first concern should be to LEARN and get better at raids. You do so in training groups. The easiest and consistent access is via joining a guild that does regular training raids and/or joining a raid training discord. You can also join the occasional raid trainings in LFG, but those are few since most players who organize trainings want a small amount of control over the group to make sure the training is actually useful to new players.

  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    The LFG groups which demands 250 LI or more are NOT for beginners.

    I saw only this in lfg, the fact is that I play about 4 month and I have only 15 li, if we get statistics I know exactly more players will agree with me, in guild there are requirements too. The most common action is kicked from squad.

    Post your own lfg

    I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2020

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    WoW does not have training runs, you show up and play the game. Gate keeping is why this games in a downward spiral and has been for years.

  • TPMN.1483TPMN.1483 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    WoW does not have training runs, you show up and play the game. Gate keeping is why this games in a downward spiral and has been for years.

    I’m sorry that this doesn’t even hold true for GW2.
    Took a low Killproof raider into Mursaat Overseer - they did fine, Samarog was a different story.
    Their DPS on MO-28K, Samarog - 5K (Other DPS in group was >15K).

    It was obvious they didn’t know the mechanics, Same build on that person, they were not allowed to continue to Cairne as we felt they might wipe the group and be doing too little DPS. We did explain to this person that we felt they were not ready for this group and explained why. They whispered me back they were new to raids.

    The reason for training runs is for people to get better and understand the fight. Some people may just get it quickly others need to practice. Players want to run with likeminded level of ability, ethos and within their skill range and have fun.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    WoW does not have training runs, you show up and play the game. Gate keeping is why this games in a downward spiral and has been for years.

    WoW raids don't require the same things on their players as in GW2. It's also strange how you can comment about a game mode that you have little to no experience in. If raids are not mechanically hard enough, grab a squad of 10 new players and fight a raid boss; see how it turns out. There's also nothing preventing you, or others that dislike those requirements, from creating your own groups without them. It's very entitled to believe that others should be forced to group with you and train you.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2020

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    WoW does not have training runs, you show up and play the game. Gate keeping is why this games in a downward spiral and has been for years.

    WoW raids require just as much training.

    Unless you mean LFR, which is significantly easier.

    Or you mean outgearing content until you are mechanically bad, but compensate with item level.

    Feel free to follow your own advice please and let us know how that has worked out for you. Stop berating and lecturing others but set an example, or step aside. I'm tired of know it all sideliners questioning what has worked for years for players to get succesfully into raids. While at the same time not burning those players out.

    I have raided in WoW (and not only LFR). I have raided here. The games are vastly different. As are the requirements put on players.

    Do as Ayrilana suggested. Put on arcdps. Do some successful raids, with a group of 10 random inexperienced strangers. Load up the logs for everyone to see how successful you were. Done.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭

    I recommend you do this. Create or find yourself a static team with set times that work for you. Even if its with players that are not familiar with the content. Then work at it. Don't go in with expectations of clearing anything just learning mechanics and the clears will come.

    The group I run with started fairly fresh many did not know anything about any bosses and now 2 months later we are clearing wings with one pull on each boss. (not all the time but it happens). What you will find out is your team has a synergy to it everyone knows their job and how to do it well.

    When you start running with other people experienced or not you have an added element of uncertainty because how they typically kill a boss may be a tad bit different than how you trained do it. What I feel the KP does is show not only knowledge but adaptability. The adaptability piece can save a group from a wipe and allow your group to recover.

    So while KP can seem like people are being ridiculous but it is quiet the opposite. They are just trying to make sure no one in their group is wasting their time. I don't think that is a big ask. Because If someone was wasting your time you would have a problem with it too. If your like me you only have a limited time you can play and you want to make the most of it. Just find yourself the right group and you will be fine.

    Stay positive and listen to what these fine people are suggesting and power ahead. You can do it!

                                                              There is a 50% chance you will not agree with me and a 50% chance I will not agree with you
    
  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    Then find players like yourself and go finish the Raids what's stopping you?

    There's a lot less leaders than followers.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    Then find players like yourself and go finish the Raids what's stopping you?

    There's a lot less leaders than followers.

    Then become a leader.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    Then find players like yourself and go finish the Raids what's stopping you?

    There's a lot less leaders than followers.

    But that is a very different problem now is it?

    Given you were so fast to disapprove and disregard advice given, step up and put your money where your mouth is, or step aside.

    Give advice based on something which has worked for you, not based on what you believe. That's how advice usually works.

  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:

    • Find a training run.
    • Find a guild which does raids and takes new players for practice runs.
    • Join a raid training discord and join practice runs.

    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    WoW does not have training runs, you show up and play the game. Gate keeping is why this games in a downward spiral and has been for years.

    You dont seem to realize how bad the average guild wars 2 player is. Sure the raids might be more involved in wow but you have way more tools to hand hold you through mechanics and it is much less likely you have situations where you gear your class incorrectly. In guild wars 2 you will get people who claim they're dps wearing healing power and toughness gear because they think they're "being versatile" , " I still have power on all of my gear therefore still dealing damage", and this mantra of "dead dps equals no dps" somehow justifies toughness and vitality. You may think its insulting to their intelligence. In reality it's an accurate assessment of the average players intelligence.

  • wasss.1208wasss.1208 Member ✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Sick joke, this games raids are not mechanically hard enough to require this and it's flat out insulting to peoples intelligence to keep not only suggesting, but doing it.

    WoW does not have training runs, you show up and play the game. Gate keeping is why this games in a downward spiral and has been for years.

    "470+, link curve". The green isn't any greener over there. The scene is pretty much the same. Either get a static/guild, or suffer through pugging.

  • Amineo.8951Amineo.8951 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2020

    I played FFXIV, you do the Raid Floor once and it's done, you don't need to link Killproofs at all to join any groups again. There are people who ask for parsers just to see your DPS in the Raid encounter but it's a minority and a very very small portion of the playerbase compared to what I see every day in GW2 LFG asking for LIs and an obscene amount of KPs for W5/W6/W7 (aka PoF Raids).

    This is just asinine to recommend Raid Trainings again for people who already cleared the content once. What about those who gets unlucky and get less KPs than usual all the time? They gotta re-run the Wings 15 times to get in a "Normal" group? Just stop it people...

    Granted it's definitely the game designers fault for such unbalanced combat and community behaviour as a whole who suffers from it in both sides. You can criticize other MMOs all you want but they do a far better job at educating players with builds, encounters etc... By just playing through the game. I really think raids should have never existed in this game, it was obviously not intended when they made the core game especially when you look at the skills and how they had changed them updates after updates.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Amineo.8951 said:
    I played FFXIV, you do the Raid Floor once and it's done, you don't need to link Killproofs at all to join any groups again. There are people who ask for parsers just to see your DPS in the Raid encounter but it's a minority and a very very small portion of the playerbase compared to what I see every day in GW2 LFG asking for LIs and an obscene amount of KPs for W5/W6/W7 (aka PoF Raids).

    Raids are not the same in every game. In GW2, you have ten players and each of those players have varying degrees of personal responsibilities with knowing the mechanics and performing their given role. Failing to properly do this can potentially result in a raid wipe. It nonetheless also puts more burden on the other players if they have to pick up the slack of someone under-performing.

    This is just asinine to recommend Raid Trainings again for people who already cleared the content once. What about those who gets unlucky and get less KPs than usual all the time? They gotta re-run the Wings 15 times to get in a "Normal" group? Just stop it people...

    Clearing a raid once does not necessarily mean that you know all of the mechanics and can actually execute them properly. There's a vast difference in skill, and resulting clear times, between those groups that have cleared a wing a couple of times versus those that have cleared them for years.

    Granted it's definitely the game designers fault for such unbalanced combat and community behaviour as a whole who suffers from it in both sides. You can criticize other MMOs all you want but they do a far better job at educating players with builds, encounters etc... By just playing through the game. I really think raids should have never existed in this game, it was obviously not intended when they made the core game especially when you look at the skills and how they had changed them updates after updates.

    In a sense you are correct as Anet made the open world so mind-numbingly easy that anyone can succeed simply by spamming their auto-attack. This is one of the reasons why there is such a vast gap between the average GW2 player and the more seasoned GW2 player. "Seasoned" being those that do more of the content that requires personal skill.

    I do believe that the majority of the blame rests on the players who choose not to adapt and learn but instead want content dumbed down for them. Every time we get something remotely challenging versus the typical spam auto attack to win, we get a thread with complaints. Notable examples being one in regards to the statue boss during LS2 and the shadow dragon boss also during LS2. There's also the one boss during the POF story instance where you're in limbo.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Amineo.8951 said:
    This is just asinine to recommend Raid Trainings again for people who already cleared the content once. What about those who gets unlucky and get less KPs than usual all the time? They gotta re-run the Wings 15 times to get in a "Normal" group? Just stop it people...

    Anet made sure you can "buy" KP and LI meaning players with zero (or worse than zero) experience with the content can apply for groups that require experience. Is it good to ask for high amounts of LI/KP? Of course not, in fact it's dumb, but without asking for high values it's impossible to separate those with actual experience from those that bought "proof". The whole idea of using an external item as "proof" of experience is dumb but the game doesn't have anything else that can be used, if there was, I'm sure those LFG listings wouldn't be there

    I played FFXIV, you do the Raid Floor once and it's done, you don't need to link Killproofs at all to join any groups again.

    I'm curious, can you die at the entrance and wait for the team to finish the encounter like you can do in Guild Wars 2? Is such an activity heavily promoted there like it is in GW2?

  • Amineo.8951Amineo.8951 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2020

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Amineo.8951 said:
    This is just asinine to recommend Raid Trainings again for people who already cleared the content once. What about those who gets unlucky and get less KPs than usual all the time? They gotta re-run the Wings 15 times to get in a "Normal" group? Just stop it people...

    Anet made sure you can "buy" KP and LI meaning players with zero (or worse than zero) experience with the content can apply for groups that require experience. Is it good to ask for high amounts of LI/KP? Of course not, in fact it's dumb, but without asking for high values it's impossible to separate those with actual experience from those that bought "proof". The whole idea of using an external item as "proof" of experience is dumb but the game doesn't have anything else that can be used, if there was, I'm sure those LFG listings wouldn't be there

    I played FFXIV, you do the Raid Floor once and it's done, you don't need to link Killproofs at all to join any groups again.

    **I'm curious, can you die at the entrance and wait for the team to finish the encounter like you can do in Guild Wars 2? Is such an activity heavily promoted there like it is in GW2?

    **
    You can't as there are mechanics that needs all players to be alive in some encounters and you will need DPS unless your teammates are Gold Parse and master everything perfectly, and even then it's super strict, the DPS loss is really a huge issue in that game even if people can get revived (with penalties and there's no downstate, if your hp reaches 0 you die and Healers gotta waste 1/5 of their MP to revive you) during the fights. There are runs you can buy but you actually can't just hop in and afk, so the guy who wanna gets carried cannot put his brain offline, he actually has to know the mechanics or it'll cause a party wipe.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Amineo.8951 said:
    You can't as there are mechanics that needs all players to be alive in some encounters and you will need DPS unless your teammates are Gold Parse and master everything perfectly, and even then it's super strict, the DPS loss is really a huge issue in that game even if people can get revived (with penalties and there's no downstate, if your hp reaches 0 you die and Healers gotta waste 1/5 of their MP to revive you) during the fights. There are runs you can buy but you actually can't just hop in and afk, so the guy who wanna gets carried cannot put his brain offline, he actually has to know the mechanics or it'll cause a party wipe.

    Thanks for that. So that's one of the reasons there are requirements for KP in GW2 and not in FFXIV. Unfortunately the "buying culture" exists in GW2 making the experience of players with 1 boss kill questionable. Not to mention you can get 200 LI by farming Escort, which causes LI requirements to skyrocket. It's an unfortunate result of how the game/content is designed I'm afraid

  • LadyKitty.6120LadyKitty.6120 Member ✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Amineo.8951 said:
    You can't as there are mechanics that needs all players to be alive in some encounters and you will need DPS unless your teammates are Gold Parse and master everything perfectly, and even then it's super strict, the DPS loss is really a huge issue in that game even if people can get revived (with penalties and there's no downstate, if your hp reaches 0 you die and Healers gotta waste 1/5 of their MP to revive you) during the fights. There are runs you can buy but you actually can't just hop in and afk, so the guy who wanna gets carried cannot put his brain offline, he actually has to know the mechanics or it'll cause a party wipe.

    Thanks for that. So that's one of the reasons there are requirements for KP in GW2 and not in FFXIV. Unfortunately the "buying culture" exists in GW2 making the experience of players with 1 boss kill questionable. Not to mention you can get 200 LI by farming Escort, which causes LI requirements to skyrocket. It's an unfortunate result of how the game/content is designed I'm afraid

    And to make matters worse, one player messing up can also wipe the squad at most bosses in GW2. Here's some examples.
    Careless seeker pull during VG's last phase CC? Potentially dead squad. Consistently missing green bombs and blowing timed bombs on kiter at Sab? Potential wipe. One poison at middle or in front of squad at Slothasor/Matt = wipe. Step in oil at Deimos = potential wipe. Miss a green at Dhuum = insta-wipe.
    From those alone it should be clear why people want to make sure that people know their stuff. HOWEVER, even lots of people with 400ish LI actually rarely seem to know their stuff which is why Kitty's taken a "don't fail too hard or Kitty's forced to make a decision"-attitude instead of asking for KP. May sound toxic and gatekeeping but it's often a necessity to get kills without spending half a day in 2 wings.

    It's Kitty. The young lady who streams and records videos playing various (non-)metabuilds. Raid/fractal videos at youtube.com/LadyKitty, Kittymarks test results at youtube.com/Kittymarks and tinyurl.com/Kittymarks.

  • frqnbbsov.9806frqnbbsov.9806 Member ✭✭
    edited June 1, 2020

    This is raid system:

    This picture tell more about system.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:
    This is raid system:

    This picture tell more about system.

    So, the original post you made is by now 5 days old. Ask yourself: what have you done these last few days, some of which fall into a weekend, to get into a raid?

    Have you actually in any way tried to find a raid group?
    Have you in any way tried to find a guild which raids?
    Have you looked for training discord servers to join or ask questions?
    Have you even at least practiced on the training golem some rotations for some classes you would like to play?

    What have you actually contributed to getting yourself raid ready or into a raid group? Besides looking at the LFG and being annoyed?

    Maybe the answers to those questions will tell you why you are right now where you are in respect to raids, and not somewhere else. Or maybe not, what do I know, I finished my full clear earlier today for the week.

  • frqnbbsov.9806frqnbbsov.9806 Member ✭✭
    edited June 1, 2020

    Have you actually in any way tried to find a raid group?

    yeah but in most common kick from squad without given chance

    Have you in any way tried to find a guild which raids?

    I am in guild but they do not take me to training raid still, additional I know w1,w2, and some bosses from another wings

    Have you looked for training discord servers to join or ask questions?

    my english bad so there are problem in community

    Have you even at least practiced on the training golem some rotations for some classes you would like to play?

    my dps 31k in 1mil golem, 27k on 4 mil golem

    What have you actually contributed to getting yourself raid ready or into a raid group? Besides looking at the LFG and being annoyed?

    which said earlie most common kick from squad

    Maybe the answers to those questions will tell you why you are right now where you are in respect to raids, and not somewhere else. Or maybe not, what do I know, I finished my full clear earlier today for the week.

    we know all players with 250li begins from 0li, but when you see in lfg withthis requirements, this is sorry stupid requriements, in a week my chances to find squad very little , aprrox 2 or 3 bosses this is mean 3 li, now I am in the game still cannt join, because requirements

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2020

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:
    we know all players with 250li begins from 0li, but when you see in lfg withthis requirements, this is sorry stupid requriements, in a week my chances to find squad very little , aprrox 2 or 3 bosses this is mean 3 li

    Yes, and those 250 LI players did not start in 250 LI groups. They started at 0 and joined 0 LI groups (aka trainings). You are still assuming that HAVING 250 LI is the same as being experienced on bosses enough to remain in squad. Trust me, if you have no experience at a boss, after 2-3 fails latest, you will get kicked, even if you did have the LI to join.

    Yes, because you keep using the LFG instead of going where there is regular training runs:

    • raid training discords and guilds (or similar trainings)

    If you are in a guild which raids and does trainings, they should take you along. If not: find a different guild.

    Language can be a barrier yes, but most of the time rudimentary (basic) English is more than enough. If it does pose a bigger hurdle, try to look for similar language players/guilds in LA or other city hubs.

    What also works is:
    If you find a commander who does a training run, be it via LFG, discord or where ever, ask him if it's okay to add him to your friends, and if he does trainings more often. Most will happily help out.

  • Trust me, if you have no experience at a boss, after 2-3 fails latest, you will get kicked, even if you did have the LI to join.

    I think you didnot understand me, I am not about that 250li lfg take me to raid, I am about that I cannt find squad, kick in most common without chance.

    Yes, because you keep using the LFG instead of going where there is regular training runs:

    I answered they didnot take me

    If you are in a guild which raids and does trainings, they should take you along. If not: find a different guild.

    this is looks like sent cv to companies and waiting answer, sorry man this is game not job

    Language can be a barrier yes, but most of the time rudimentary (basic) English is more than enough. If it does pose a bigger hurdle, try to look for similar language players/guilds in LA or other city hubs.

    I think language very important, I cannt speak in english, I am fro mdifferent country, this is big problem

    If you find a commander who does a training run, be it via LFG, discord or where ever, ask him if it's okay to add him to your friends, and if he does trainings more often. Most will happily help out.

    random is not way, so about 2 days ago one player deleted game, I think gw2 will lose more players, because more players have this problem, I cannt spent my whole life in game, game need to be fun not job.In game there are 3 language but in fact game sold from different countries, turkish,russian,arabia and etc, I think anet not think about it.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    Trust me, if you have no experience at a boss, after 2-3 fails latest, you will get kicked, even if you did have the LI to join.

    I think you didnot understand me, I am not about that 250li lfg take me to raid, I am about that I cannt find squad, kick in most common without chance.

    Yes, because you keep using the LFG instead of going where there is regular training runs:

    I answered they didnot take me

    If you are in a guild which raids and does trainings, they should take you along. If not: find a different guild.

    this is looks like sent cv to companies and waiting answer, sorry man this is game not job

    Well what can I tell you, others have managed. We have new raiders currently in our practice roster. There is occasionally topics from people who have been raiding successfully for half a year sharing their story (or w/e time frame). Chances are very low this will change.

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    Language can be a barrier yes, but most of the time rudimentary (basic) English is more than enough. If it does pose a bigger hurdle, try to look for similar language players/guilds in LA or other city hubs.

    I think language very important, I cannt speak in english, I am fro mdifferent country, this is big problem

    Sure, language barrier can be very challenging. Hence why I offered advice on how to find players who speak a more accessible language. Now if you are from a country with very few GW2 players, that could be indeed very difficult. In which case, you are best off trying to find some international guilds.

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    If you find a commander who does a training run, be it via LFG, discord or where ever, ask him if it's okay to add him to your friends, and if he does trainings more often. Most will happily help out.

    random is not way, so about 2 days ago one player deleted game, I think gw2 will lose more players, because more players have this problem, I cannt spent my whole life in game, game need to be fun not job.In game there are 3 language but in fact game sold from different countries, turkish,russian,arabia and etc, I think anet not think about it.

    You don't have to spend your whole life in the game. All it takes is 1 group of players who are willing to do regular trainings. You can even create your own. The advice to join established groups is only because that is far easier than starting from scratch and being in charge.

    Also yes, players leave and join all the time. Raids will hardly be the deciding factor for this at this point in time, given how they are pretty much on ice at the moment.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2020

    @Amineo.8951 said:
    I played FFXIV, you do the Raid Floor once and it's done, you don't need to link Killproofs at all to join any groups again. There are people who ask for parsers just to see your DPS in the Raid encounter but it's a minority and a very very small portion of the playerbase compared to what I see every day in GW2 LFG asking for LIs and an obscene amount of KPs for W5/W6/W7 (aka PoF Raids).

    This is just asinine to recommend Raid Trainings again for people who already cleared the content once.

    Do you know how long it took the first group i tried raiding with to "graduate" from killing VG once, to be able to do it consistently?
    A month.
    And that was in a group that was on average mostly on the same level. A player that is getting carried to the first kill by more experienced friends, for example, might be even less ready for another kill, but this time in a group of similar-level pugs.

    What about those who gets unlucky and get less KPs than usual all the time? They gotta re-run the Wings 15 times to get in a "Normal" group?

    Well, yes. if you get your LI doing full clears from the start (which probably won't happen for new raiders) then 2-3 kills of each boss would be nowhere close to the experience that PUGs might want.
    Seriously, depending on situation, how fast you;re learning and whom you've made your kils with, 2-3 kills on boss is nowhere close to having any truly dependable experience for that boss.

    Granted it's definitely the game designers fault for such unbalanced combat and community behaviour as a whole who suffers from it in both sides. You can criticize other MMOs all you want but they do a far better job at educating players with builds, encounters etc... By just playing through the game.

    It's not a matter of educating players. It's a matter of some major core design differences. Ones that are definitely not easy to change now.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Mad Queen Malafide.7512Mad Queen Malafide.7512 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 2, 2020

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    So, the original post you made is by now 5 days old. Ask yourself: what have you done these last few days, some of which fall into a weekend, to get into a raid?

    Have you actually in any way tried to find a raid group?
    Have you in any way tried to find a guild which raids?
    Have you looked for training discord servers to join or ask questions?
    Have you even at least practiced on the training golem some rotations for some classes you would like to play?

    What have you actually contributed to getting yourself raid ready or into a raid group? Besides looking at the LFG and being annoyed?

    I think this is a reasonable point. Full disclosure: I have not done any raids yet, apart from a brief practice run for Key to Adashim. I have however practiced some rotations on the training golem, optimised my build and crafted myself some raid food. I have also gotten my gear up to Ascended quality and watched some raid videos.

    Starting this week, I'm going to try point 1: Trying to find a raid group. I think joining a specific raid guild is a step that I'm not willing to make just yet, but I don't mind joining a Discord server to coordinate with the rest of the team. I'll have a look around to see if there are raid groups without 250 LI requirements. I'll report my findings at the end of the week.

  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2, 2020

    @Mad Queen Malafide.7512 said:

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    So, the original post you made is by now 5 days old. Ask yourself: what have you done these last few days, some of which fall into a weekend, to get into a raid?

    Have you actually in any way tried to find a raid group?
    Have you in any way tried to find a guild which raids?
    Have you looked for training discord servers to join or ask questions?
    Have you even at least practiced on the training golem some rotations for some classes you would like to play?

    What have you actually contributed to getting yourself raid ready or into a raid group? Besides looking at the LFG and being annoyed?

    I think this is a reasonable point. Full disclosure: I have not done any raids yet, apart from a brief practice run for Key to Adashim. I have however practiced some rotations on the training golem, optimised my build and crafted myself some raid food. I have also gotten my gear up to Ascended quality and watched some raid videos.

    Starting this week, I'm going to try point 1: Trying to find a raid group. I think joining a specific raid guild is a step that I'm not willing to make just yet, but I don't mind joining a Discord server to coordinate with the rest of the team. I'll have a look around to see if there are raid groups without 250 LI requirements. I'll report my findings at the end of the week.

    This is a mindset that gets you in raids. Infact if you play in EU server we do have a big raid training community/guild. We are using a sign up system for raids/raid trainings so we only expected you to show up in raids where you have signed up. Its up to you how active you are in guild or how much you interact with other guild mates, our discord is also a great place to ask some raid related questions.

    We do have other stuff going on in guild aswell like daily fractals, fractal CM trainings, pvp squads etc but again its up to you if you wanna be part of those activities :)

    If this is something that might suit your needs, just give me a shout.

    -Happy raiding

    I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

  • Post your own lfg

    the problem is that I dont know which roles I need for bosses, so I googled it but cannot find information about it and I decided to create static squad with new players and begin from 0.

  • @frqnbbsov.9806 said:
    the problem is that I dont know which roles I need for bosses, so I googled it but cannot find information about it and I decided to create static squad with new players and begin from 0.

    Chrono Druid BS DPS DPS
    Chrono Heal DPS DPS DPS

    this works on every boss. Replace the second player with another DPS if you dont need it. You can also take an Alacrigade instead of a DPS in this comp. This allows the Chronos to go more offensive. I wouldnt recommend it for unexperienced Chronos though.

    Chrono Druid BS DPS DPS
    QFB Alacrigade DPS DPS DPS

    this usually works better, but its a pain to play on SH and Largos. After either the Firebrand or the Renegade be a second healer if you need one.

    Boonthief Druid or SLB BS DPS DPS
    Alacrigade Heal DPS DPS DPS

    Alacrigade can take the role of the only or second healer. With this you dont necessarily need a druid. The Boonthief is able to provide might to all players. If you dont decide to take a druid, make sure to have a Slb to get atleast one Spirit. This works on Matthias, Mursaat and Adina.

  • Hyrai.8720Hyrai.8720 Member ✭✭✭

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:
    the problem is that I dont know which roles I need for bosses, so I googled it but cannot find information about it

    may i ask what exactly you google'd?
    i found tons of information by simply googl'ing 'gw2 raid composition'...

  • sokeenoppa.5384sokeenoppa.5384 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2020

    @frqnbbsov.9806 said:

    Post your own lfg

    the problem is that I dont know which roles I need for bosses, so I googled it but cannot find information about it and I decided to create static squad with new players and begin from 0.

    Pick any of these, pref the ones with 2 heals and ur good to go.
    basic squad compositions:

    chrono=5 men quickness and 5 men alacrity
    firebrand (heal or condi)= 5 men quickness
    alacrity renegade (heal or power) 10 men alacrity
    Boon thief=all boons for 10 men 100% uptime EXCEPT alacrity (only works for few bosses)

    SOLO heal
    2 chronos
    1 druid
    1 bs
    6 dps

    2 chronos
    1 druid
    1 off heal
    1 bs
    5 dps

    SOLO heal
    2 quickness condition firebrands
    1 alacrity power renegade
    1 druid
    1 bs
    5 dps

    1 quickness condition firebrand
    1 heal quickness firebrand
    1 alacrity power renegade
    1 druid
    1 bs
    5 dps

    SOLO heal
    1 quickness condition firebrand
    1 chrono
    1 alacrity power renegade
    1 druid
    1 bs
    5 dps

    1 chrono
    1 heal quickness firebrand
    1 alacrity power renegade
    1 druid
    1 bs
    5 dps

    1 chrono
    1 condition quickness firebrand
    1 alacrity heal renegade
    1 druid
    1 bs
    5 dps

    2 quickness condition firebrands
    1 alacrity heal renegade
    1 druid
    1 bs
    5 dps

    1 boon thief
    1 Alacrity renegade (heal or power)
    1 druid or soulbeast
    1 bs
    6 dps

    There is an option to cover either quickness or alacrity by stacking certain dps classes as well.

    Builds you can find from here: https://snowcrows.com/benchmarks/

    I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

  • frqnbbsov.9806frqnbbsov.9806 Member ✭✭
    edited June 3, 2020

    @RaidsAreEasyAF.8652 said:
    Chrono Druid BS DPS DPS
    Chrono Heal DPS DPS DPS

    Thank you for more information I think I will begin with this :) added to notpad

  • Thank you for information I added to notpad all information :)