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Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

Private poll. Some threads recently and comments had me thinking.

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Do you care about the score? 190 votes

Yes
28% 55 votes
No
62% 118 votes
Other (please describe in comments.
8% 17 votes
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Comments

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    choose: Other
    So at first I understand that can't change it for big value
    At second ofc nice to see myself at first place

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lodjur.1284lodjur.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    Only in the sense that if the server I am on wins I might have to move away from it.

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  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    Thank you, I also felt that this was needed to make something clear...

  • gavyne.6847gavyne.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    I get the knock on people caring about scores in 2020, but people don't care about scores for reasons you think. In a 1 up 1 down system, scores matter because you could potentially get into a boring matchup and end up taking a week off from WvW. For an example some servers have heavy offhour coverage that keep them in certain tiers, but they lack NA presence. So for servers with heavy NA population they may opt to try to avoid matchups with those servers.

    Some servers have little to no organized guilds, so if you're in an organized guild squad that enjoys fighting other organized guild squads, you would try to avoid getting into a matchup with those servers. If you're a roamer type (and this forum seems to be full of them), you probably don't care either way.

    People don't really care about scores for notoriety, it's really just trying to get into an ideal matchup for fights so you don't have to call your guild raids early or skip them completely for a whole week. For a lot of the people in guilds, this kills people's interest in WvW more than anything. Sometimes it's better to not finish 1st, or 2nd, depending on the matchup you're looking for.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2020

    Well, don't want to drop into a dead tier with nothing. But at the same time, not going to wake up at 5 AM in the morning to hit doors just to show who's boss.

    I do usually try my best to contribute to WvW and will defend stuff but that's more out of respect to people that care about this stuff and put forth effort to do so. As much as it is hated, it's still necessary to PPT to some degree to get your desired matchup and if you don't treat the people that do the grunt work nicely, you'll pay for it. Well, suppose you can just move and find other people to PPTslave for you so you can have fun while you mock them, but that's not very nice.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    pls send those ppl to EotM, thx

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2020

    Nah winning matchups doesn't matter in terms of taking pride in your Server(s) Organization, it's all about stacking the remaining hardcore PPTers who believe T1 = big prestige, at least in the EU.

    Server pride should be all but gone in those terms, besides when it comes to reminiscing about the old times, while we play with a group of friends or people we get to know in a blob, roaming group or guild raid, unless you are new to the game mode, especially with the linking system nowadays.

    The only reason to win, is to get a better matchup against the servers you want to go up against. Whether it's right or not, even tanking makes sense, if it means avoiding going up against certain servers.

    It is better than trying to climb up to the Tiers for the sake of it, as some people still believe the higher Tiers, is where the 'best' servers are.

  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I use it to gauge a server activity and overall firepower, rather than see it as a goal. Like for example, we're being utterly crushed because our unfortunately dysmally small server got linked to Seafarer's Rest, itself not particularly large, and we're facing Abbadon and Riverside link, which is literally -crushing- everything, everywhere, at all times, to the point of having almost 2 full blobs at a moment's notice everywhere, holding -all- the ruins everywhere, all the keeps, on all the maps. So the war score in that particular case is useful to see whether or not we should be engaging or not. In that particular case, Riverside has consistently dominated more than half of the total war score for the duration of the links, so.... yeah.

  • Cambeleg.7632Cambeleg.7632 Member ✭✭✭

    No reason for caring a kitten of score, when WvW Team doesn't care of the game mode.

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2020

    Caring about the score made me burn out on the game in a very, very bad way.

    So now I try very much not to care about the score.

    That said when the score's real tippy, it often means other aspects of WvW aren't going great that week — you're bottlenecked on the map because all your waypoints are dead, some big zerg is trying to farm you in your own garri, there's no one to fight on the map, your side has map queues full of people who are just milling around uselessly, &c.

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    only time i cared bout score was the first 2 years or so, when server pride was a thing, even then i wasnt overly fussed, but i would check the score and it felt like i could contribute or not to help my server.
    but ever since i never even look at the score, then linkings came along and theres absolutely no reason to bother, infact wvw seems meaningless in that regard, and pretty meaningless overall.
    the combat system, fighting either as solo or small group is the only thing wvw has going for it. (to me)

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's a score?

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Some people don't want to be in tier 4, some don't want to be in tier 1, some don't want to face certain servers. Some servers have off hours that pushes servers higher than they should be, which sometimes means a bad time for that server in NA prime. The points you contribute is a small portion of what your entire server provides in an entire week, unless you're a commander with long hours covering multiple skirmishes. Rarely a miraculous comeback happens during the week, the weekend usually settles the score for many matches.

    If you have to burn yourself out to push your server to a win and go higher in tiers, your server probably doesn't belong there anyways due to population and coverage. Also winning really means nothing these days, does anyone care sbi and their bandwagon were number one last relinks apart from sbi people? Some people will stop playing their main for the week or play on an alt(where they mostly likely don't care about score there either), if they get into a tier they don't want. Being stuck with red is even worse and most times feels like you're going to get double teamed for easy points since this mode was made to steamroll the weakest. Might as well lose and go green the week after.

    I'll defend my sides stuff, but won't go out of my way to capture, upgrade, defend opponents stuff. Getting into a good fight no matter the situation is the only driving force for me.

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  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭

    I care for the score strictly because of match ups. Its nice to play different servers when you can. But after a re link evens out it stays mostly the same anyhow. Unless some prominent commander takes a break or purposefully tanks a few weeks.

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  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's just a matchmaking mechanism and WvW would have been healthier if they didn't publish it.

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  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2020

    They should remove ALL scoring except points per kill. The biggest server should always win the match, not be allowed to hide in smc and avoid ppt.
    Doing this would force the bigger servers to fight each other, or throw bodies at smaller forces, which will be amusing for the outnumbered side.

    Side note thoughts:
    All siege but rams and oil should be removed. You want it, get out of your fortified castle and get it. (rams limited to 3 per gate)
    SMC supply is removed. It still takes yaks to upgrade, but if you want to repair it, run supply from your third.

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    For the geographically challenged, yes, Tarnished Coast is located IN the Maguuma Jungle.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    They should remove ALL scoring except points per kill. The biggest server should always win the match, not be allowed to hide in smc and avoid ppt.
    Doing this would force the bigger servers to fight each other, or throw bodies at smaller forces, which will be amusing for the outnumbered side.

    That would lead to even more fight picking, ganking, running away, stacking. PPK just means you only want to pick fights that you can dominate. Otherwise you would give the enemy server free points. If you want more fights, you would have to give the outnumbered side a reason to fight (not the superior one), even if they already know that they will suffer heavy losses. Atm this is objectives + PPT.

    PPK takes away every reason to do so, e. g. defending a keep by respawning several times, or keeping the superior enemy busy in open field fights and thus keeping them away from your objectives.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    They should remove ALL scoring except points per kill. The biggest server should always win the match, not be allowed to hide in smc and avoid ppt.
    Doing this would force the bigger servers to fight each other, or throw bodies at smaller forces, which will be amusing for the outnumbered side.

    That would lead to even more fight picking, ganking, running away, stacking. PPK just means you only want to pick fights that you can dominate. Otherwise you would give the enemy server free points. If you want more fights, you would have to give the outnumbered side a reason to fight (not the superior one), even if they already know that they will suffer heavy losses. Atm this is objectives + PPT.

    PPK takes away every reason to do so, e. g. defending a keep by respawning several times, or keeping the superior enemy busy in open field fights and thus keeping them away from your objectives.

    The blobs already do that now though. They hide in siege capped smc, and only come out to fight enemies half their size. That isn't going to change. But, removing ppt, would mean that all that "farming smaller groups" kitten. would lead to them winning the match (which they openly avoid now) and increasing the chance that the larger servers would have to face each other. Not the status quo, which is 100 man guilds, hiding in lower tiers and transferring anytime a similar sized enemy guild ends up playing in their time zone.

    Lost in the Maguuma (TC)
    For the geographically challenged, yes, Tarnished Coast is located IN the Maguuma Jungle.

  • Fatherbliss.4701Fatherbliss.4701 Member ✭✭✭

    I pay attention to it. I won't say its a driving force of motivation unless there is a close match and it brings fights. I've noted that the pugs absolutely check that out and will want to push even up to reset. Any of us who have been around awhile understand that all servers group up. T1 isn't my favorite but I've had some weeks where that provided better more even fights than T2. lol

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    They should remove ALL scoring except points per kill.

    So in order to avoid loosing points, the game mode will encourage people to not play it. Brilliant idea!

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  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People already are afraid of dying even with it not counting for much.

    Also please do have some respect for yak escorters/building inspectors. I appreciate it because I don't have to do that kitten most of the time. Even the jUST hERE fOR fiTES crowd realizes that having no waypoints and such makes it pretty hard to get around and getting proper fights.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    Most people WvW to do PvP, but since it has worse balance than SPvP for absolutely NO REASON people end up abandoning it very quickly. I know I did, I only do SPvP now, never WvW. Wvw is not fun at all.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    :3 tournaments. We need it back

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    Other:

    Somehow I've two modes:

    • when I play (Gw2 incl. WvW, which is around 1-3 month per year), I don't really care about the score. If at all, I prefer not winning, to avoid more enemies in the next week.
    • but I also use site's like http://gw2stats.com/matchups (independent if I play or if I am in GW2-break), and I like to see my server winning especially the first skirmish of a match, similar to some people watching their favoured sport team in TV or newspapers.
  • SevlisBavles.3059SevlisBavles.3059 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes. Ring of Fire is almost perma T1 and we have a habit of owning Stonemist a lot. Camping Stonemist is the absolute fastest way on average to gain ranks, especially with boosters you can easily hit 20-30 ranks a day. So, score matters. If we're linked with an kitten server I don't see myself having enough time altogether in my life to get the leggy WvW armour, which I like very much.

    Also, PIPS, PIPS, PIPS, PIPS and PIPS please and thanks.

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The only thing that I care about scores is to not be red next week.
    Desert is the worst map design ever. Ppl hate it - its usually the map with least players on. Devs hate it - compared to Alphine or EB, amount of glitches, bugs, not working textures is hillarious. Id rather cut myself than play a class using teleports on red border.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't mind the score. I don't even look at it. To do so is like day trading. It's even better to just cover it.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • jsp.6912jsp.6912 Member ✭✭✭

    No reason to care about the score win or lose is the same kitten

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    I would appreciate if Anet would implement something like the winner of the matchup is rewarded with 1 coin. With 10 coins you can buy a ascending armor piece with a special skin or something like that just for the shake of creating a need to win the matchup. No need to differentiate if you win a T1 matchup or a T5 matchup since the tiers don’t represent the serverskill. Yes I can already buy ascending stuff but this is not tied to winning the matchup. There needs to be something exclusive!

  • Jeydra.4386Jeydra.4386 Member ✭✭

    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    I think this described it perfectly:

    Its like going to the sports ground and have a random football match. You dont get rewards for winning, you dont really care much if your team wins 5:3 or loses 3:5. But nonetheless, you still try to score goals, because thats the game.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

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  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

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  • len.7809len.7809 Member ✭✭✭

    First, It means nothing but numbers.
    Second, winning or losing MU means nothing. The winner doesn't get reward for winning the MU. Whats the point then?
    Third, it was a thing caring about winning the MU because we have tournaments back in the days. Now? Its like playing unranked PvP.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    We don't really know how many play wvw now. Not including eotm

    At max if pop is supposedly 80 x 4 that's 320 per server x no. Of servers (24+27) x 12 hours let assume player plays 2 hours at a time

    1. And we know this not to be true for now since we don't have 24 7 q and some guys play more than 2 hours and others less.

    I'm pretty sure less than 1% is posting etc.

    Pls correct my math if wrong I'm estimating

    80x4x12x51=?

    Let's say max pop is less then my estimate should be less 2. You can also adjust variables like how long players play. Etc. So it definitely won't be more than 195840

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    We don't really know how many play wvw now. Not including eotm

    At max if pop is supposedly 80 x 4 that's 320 per server x no. Of servers (24+27) x 12 hours let assume player plays 2 hours at a time

    1. And we know this not to be true for now since we don't have 24 7 q and some guys play more than 2 hours and others less.

    80x4x12x51=?

    Let's say max pop is less then my estimate should be less 2. You can also adjust variables like how long players play. Etc. So it definitely won't be more than 195840

    I think you should take in calculation that the servers are linked here so instead of multiplying it by the amount of servers you should multiplay by 3 for the amount of „Worlds“ in one tier and then by the number of tiers. Second I don’t understand why you multiply it by the hours if you want a value that expresses the amount of players who play wvw.

    Max players per Map x Number of Maps x Worlds per Tier x Tiers = Max amount of players who can play at the same time.

    80 x 4 x 3 x 9 = 8640

    If you want to be generous we can say that approximately 2 times the amount of these players are playing WvW so 17280 and we can truly say that 17280 WvW players is calculated very very generously.

    I'm pretty sure less than 1% is posting etc.

    To be a representative poll you need more informations thats right, but in terms of surveys that aim for a target group of 10.000 people, only 385 answers are needed to have a 5% margin of errors. This should not mean that the poll is not biased but it is by far better then asking in game chat...

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    Polls are far from.the only evidence.
    There's whole servers that ppt themselves into matches they know they'll hate. They know fully that their actions are directly contradictory to their own interests yet they won't stop, they keep flipping. That sort of behavior indicates a delusion.

    Did some of those nonstop ppters on a server with no chance in t1 vote no on this poll? Without doubt

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  • Brutal Augus.5917Brutal Augus.5917 Member ✭✭✭

    Since anet will ban me again if I offer actual criticisms, I will just say no. No I don't care.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    Polls are far from.the only evidence.
    There's whole servers that ppt themselves into matches they know they'll hate. They know fully that their actions are directly contradictory to their own interests yet they won't stop, they keep flipping. That sort of behavior indicates a delusion.

    Did some of those nonstop ppters on a server with no chance in t1 vote no on this poll? Without doubt

    And there are also the servers who tank their way 3 tiers down... that’s why it is hard to gain any relevant data from observations like this one.

    I don’t really see what this has to do with my statement that it is wrong to say that most who voted „no“ are not telling the truth...

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    Polls are far from.the only evidence.
    There's whole servers that ppt themselves into matches they know they'll hate. They know fully that their actions are directly contradictory to their own interests yet they won't stop, they keep flipping. That sort of behavior indicates a delusion.

    Did some of those nonstop ppters on a server with no chance in t1 vote no on this poll? Without doubt

    And there are also the servers who tank their way 3 tiers down... that’s why it is hard to gain any relevant data from observations like this one.

    Some people understand the score for what it is, a match placement device.

    And use it as such.

    I don’t really see what this has to do with my statement that it is wrong to say that most who voted „no“ are not telling the truth...

    The poll indicates that 7 in 10 are among the group I mentioned in my first statement. But the comments in this thread belay that assertion, much less actual wvw gameplay. Cognitive dissonance, actions betraying words.

    Is it "lie" that you object to?

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  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I picked other

    One of my guildies does look at it and comments whether or not were in 1st place.
    Myself personally I rarely look at it anymore. Im in it for the fights, the builds and taking/defending stuff (which means there's fights lol)

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  • Crazy.6029Crazy.6029 Member ✭✭✭

    The reason a lot of players don't care about score is because there is no real reward. Toss a legendary armor piece or weapon out for the winners and see how fast score becomes important. I like the score because it is the only real way to know who wins each week :)

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crazy.6029 said:
    The reason a lot of players don't care about score is because there is no real reward. Toss a legendary armor piece or weapon out for the winners and see how fast score becomes important. I like the score because it is the only real way to know who wins each week :)

    Did you mean see how fast score becomes worthless because people will completely stack servers to get legendaries and not give a kitten about WvW otherwise?

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