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  • Crazy.6029Crazy.6029 Member ✭✭✭

    Score is just a measurement to tell what is achieved during a match. That measure will indicate who is the winner or Loser. If there is a desirable reward then, YES, people will care about it. Also, this isn't a thread about fear of server stacking , it is a thread about scoring!

    Let's nerf everything, so that we don't need any skill to play.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crazy.6029 said:
    Score is just a measurement to tell what is achieved during a match. That measure will indicate who is the winner or Loser. If there is a desirable reward then, YES, people will care about it. Also, this isn't a thread about fear of server stacking , it is a thread about scoring!

    Yes. That being said, it wasn’t asking if people cared about winning.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Crazy.6029Crazy.6029 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Crazy.6029 said:
    Score is just a measurement to tell what is achieved during a match. That measure will indicate who is the winner or Loser. If there is a desirable reward then, YES, people will care about it. Also, this isn't a thread about fear of server stacking , it is a thread about scoring!

    Yes. That being said, it wasn’t asking if people cared about winning.

    The score is a measurement to determine who wins or loses and where you place. That is the whole purpose of a score. If I don't care about a score, then I don't care about winning, at least that is the way I view it. Which is cool, I know loads of players that don't care at all about scoring. I happen to care about score and I think a lot of players secretly do, since it is the only measurement to tell who wins and who loses, who goes up and who goes down. Some care about it just to beat specific servers or groups of players on those servers. I just think that we need something to give us that information. It can't always be , " ZOMG , we just wiped (insert guild name) +pugs ". Although it is fun to do that. In the end you still need the score in order to measure who wins or loses for placement.

    Let's nerf everything, so that we don't need any skill to play.

  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭

    No. I just don't want that enemy get wxp. B)

    Low quality trolling since launch
    Seafarer's Rest EotM Hero

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

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    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

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    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    No, even if that were true, it's not enough to matter either way. It's still just hearsay and speculation.

    Feel free to search for terms like coverage and nightcap on these very forums. You can check did the recent announcement and see if nobody cared about the score-- you won't. There are also people that unironically post that WvW is not a game mode for fighting players.

    And of course in game, I think those players that instantly get on cannons and build like 10+ siege certainly do exist. As well as those that backcap and insta teleport away when they see any resistance. Entire guilds dedicated to hitting doors after hours or on DBL. I just don't think a singular poll is going to convince me nobody is caring about the score-- actions speak louder than words. But what is most likely true-- and sure this is speculation-- is that nobody is going to come here and openly admit and tell us they're proud of siege humping.

    Then there are those of us that don't want to hit doors or be stuck in a PPT fest; we still have to care about score.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    No, even if that were true, it's not enough to matter either way. It's still just hearsay and speculation.

    What are we talking about now? Are you really trying to tell me that all the people who voted in this poll for no didn’t want to vote for no? I don’t get your logic this makes no sense in any way.

    I already wrote this...:

    To be a representative poll you need more informations thats right, but in terms of surveys that aim for a target group of 10.000 people, only 385 answers are needed to have a 5% margin of errors. This should not mean that the poll is not biased but it is by far better then asking in game chat

    ...or your case by observing if people defend something or not....

    Feel free to search for terms like coverage and nightcap on these very forums. You can check did the recent announcement and see if nobody cared about the score-- you won't. There are also people that unironically post that WvW is not a game mode for fighting players.

    And of course in game, I think those players that instantly get on cannons and build like 10+ siege certainly do exist. As well as those that backcap and insta teleport away when they see any resistance. I just don't think a singular poll is going to convince me nobody is caring about the score-- actions speak louder than words. But what is most likely true-- and sure this is speculation-- is that nobody is going to come here and openly admit and tell us they're proud of siege humping.

    Defending keeps and such actions is not the same as caring for the score / win. You associate playing WvW with the desire to win / score or what ever you wanna call it. I don’t know why you combine the two now but I guess that’s your thing then.

    Then there are those of us that don't want to hit doors or be stuck in a PPT fest; we still have to care about score.

    It is not a question that the PvD is a huge issue in WvW but this doesn’t mean that objectives are not needed but this is a other discussion I think we should not talk about here...

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crazy.6029 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Crazy.6029 said:
    Score is just a measurement to tell what is achieved during a match. That measure will indicate who is the winner or Loser. If there is a desirable reward then, YES, people will care about it. Also, this isn't a thread about fear of server stacking , it is a thread about scoring!

    Yes. That being said, it wasn’t asking if people cared about winning.

    The score is a measurement to determine who wins or loses and where you place. That is the whole purpose of a score. If I don't care about a score, then I don't care about winning, at least that is the way I view it. Which is cool, I know loads of players that don't care at all about scoring. I happen to care about score and I think a lot of players secretly do, since it is the only measurement to tell who wins and who loses, who goes up and who goes down. Some care about it just to beat specific servers or groups of players on those servers. I just think that we need something to give us that information. It can't always be , " ZOMG , we just wiped (insert guild name) +pugs ". Although it is fun to do that. In the end you still need the score in order to measure who wins or loses for placement.

    The comments show many players ‘care about the score’

    Their reasons vary.

    Caring about winning or losing is where it diverges more significantly. (Based on the comments)

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The main problems with the score is still the same since release:

    • score is not an achievement, but a consequence of superior man-power
    • Much to much score comes from times where only a handful people play.

    If you want a competitive score it must be limited to 2-3 hours and all sides must have equal manpower, i.e. queue on all maps.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

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    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

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    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    No, even if that were true, it's not enough to matter either way. It's still just hearsay and speculation.

    What are we talking about now? Are you really trying to tell me that all the people who voted in this poll for no didn’t want to vote for no? I don’t get your logic this makes no sense in any way.

    No, I'm saying trying to use the poll to define anything is laughable. Just because it may be better than other options is immaterial.

    I already wrote this...:

    To be a representative poll you need more informations thats right, but in terms of surveys that aim for a target group of 10.000 people, only 385 answers are needed to have a 5% margin of errors. This should not mean that the poll is not biased but it is by far better then asking in game chat

    Again, that doesn't mean anything, especially since it is self-select when you don't even have much information on your demographic. Heck, do you even know how large the WvW population even is?

    I think you should read up on how science actually works; it's not some kind of banner that allows you to discern the truth from one data point. And it's not certainly "At least it's not this other way"

    Defending keeps and such actions is not the same as caring for the score / win. You associate playing WvW with the desire to win / score or what ever you wanna call it. I don’t know why you combine the two now but I guess that’s your thing then.

    Sounds like splitting hairs.

    I never said simply defending or such. It can be used to get fights. I said defending keeps aggressively to an obsessive extent while avoiding fights and other actions that aren't associated with anything but PPT. I don't understand why people would go to such lengths to defend a structure if it didn't matter. i certainly don't care if people ninja a keep from me in the middle of the night. There's also very little in-game value.

    Maybe people just like to hump siege because it's fun?

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

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    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    No, even if that were true, it's not enough to matter either way. It's still just hearsay and speculation.

    What are we talking about now? Are you really trying to tell me that all the people who voted in this poll for no didn’t want to vote for no? I don’t get your logic this makes no sense in any way.

    No, I'm saying trying to use the poll to define anything is laughable. Just because it may be better than other options is immaterial.

    I already wrote this...:

    To be a representative poll you need more informations thats right, but in terms of surveys that aim for a target group of 10.000 people, only 385 answers are needed to have a 5% margin of errors. This should not mean that the poll is not biased but it is by far better then asking in game chat

    Again, that doesn't mean anything, especially since it is self-select when you don't even have much information on your demographic. Heck, do you even know how large the WvW population even is?

    I think you should read up on how science actually works; it's not some kind of banner that allows you to discern the truth from one data point. And it's not certainly "At least it's not this other way"

    Defending keeps and such actions is not the same as caring for the score / win. You associate playing WvW with the desire to win / score or what ever you wanna call it. I don’t know why you combine the two now but I guess that’s your thing then.

    Sounds like splitting hairs.

    I never said simply defending or such. It can be used to get fights. I said defending keeps aggressively to an obsessive extent while avoiding fights and other actions that aren't associated with anything but PPT. I don't understand why people would go to such lengths to defend a structure if it didn't matter. i certainly don't care if people ninja a keep from me in the middle of the night. There's also very little in-game value.

    Maybe people just like to hump siege because it's fun?

    In the end it doesn’t matter what I say I guess, your opinion is that playing wvw is caring for the score even if people tell you otherwise so what else can I say so I think we should leave it now then. if you guys want to think that the majority is interested in this then stay with it, it is healthier for the gamemode anyways.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    No, even if that were true, it's not enough to matter either way. It's still just hearsay and speculation.

    What are we talking about now? Are you really trying to tell me that all the people who voted in this poll for no didn’t want to vote for no? I don’t get your logic this makes no sense in any way.

    No, I'm saying trying to use the poll to define anything is laughable. Just because it may be better than other options is immaterial.

    I already wrote this...:

    To be a representative poll you need more informations thats right, but in terms of surveys that aim for a target group of 10.000 people, only 385 answers are needed to have a 5% margin of errors. This should not mean that the poll is not biased but it is by far better then asking in game chat

    Again, that doesn't mean anything, especially since it is self-select when you don't even have much information on your demographic. Heck, do you even know how large the WvW population even is?

    I think you should read up on how science actually works; it's not some kind of banner that allows you to discern the truth from one data point. And it's not certainly "At least it's not this other way"

    Defending keeps and such actions is not the same as caring for the score / win. You associate playing WvW with the desire to win / score or what ever you wanna call it. I don’t know why you combine the two now but I guess that’s your thing then.

    Sounds like splitting hairs.

    I never said simply defending or such. It can be used to get fights. I said defending keeps aggressively to an obsessive extent while avoiding fights and other actions that aren't associated with anything but PPT. I don't understand why people would go to such lengths to defend a structure if it didn't matter. i certainly don't care if people ninja a keep from me in the middle of the night. There's also very little in-game value.

    Maybe people just like to hump siege because it's fun?

    In the end it doesn’t matter what I say I guess, your opinion is that playing wvw is caring for the score even if people tell you otherwise so what else can I say so I think we should leave it now then. if you guys want to think that the majority is interested in this then stay with it, it is healthier for the gamemode anyways.

    Of course it doesn't. You have not stated anything that's true.

    The post I replied to at first prefaced it with "in my experience", so I agreed with that. The poll did not agree with my experience, but it does not mean either is right or wrong over the other. You then told me "nobody" cares about score, which is easily refuted just by me linking:

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1259151/#Comment_1259151

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1259165/#Comment_1259165

    Not to mention even in the poll itself, 28/98 isn't nobody or even close to nobody so....

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

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    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Senqu.8054 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    It’s interesting. After 84 votes 2/3’s said ‘No’ yet many of the responses note that the scores do matter.

    I think most assumed I meant ‘caring about winning’.

    I think most aren't honest, even with themselves.

    @ArchonWing.9480 said:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Yes, and my experience is people who say they don't care about the score actually care about the score. That's why if they log on to see they've been wiped off the map they log off quickly too (I clearly remember this happened to SoR in season 1 of WvW), if a T3 objective gets attacked they will come to defend instead of fight whoever is in front of them, etc.

    Yep. There are many on these forums that talk about how winning doesn't matter.... then incessantly talks about it.

    Its fascinating that even if a poll shows exactly, that basically no one cares about some silly numbers, there are still people like you who try to make it fit their opinion. Keep telling yourself that everyone is lying

    But you're making your assumption based on a poll, which is also some silly numbers that almost nobody cares about.

    You just try to turn words around. The „silly numbers“ referred to the score in WvW, you know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

    And you wanna tell me now that they are not telling the truth is reasonable? Yes polls are biased, but it’s the best and only source we have to collect such informations.

    Forum goers represent only a small minority of users. Heck, there's no way to even verify if they even play wvw regularly. I mean, it's a good source of entertainment, but passing it off as anything resembling the truth is just relying on silly numbers. Hence the irony.

    Well it has still more value then the statement that the most who voted yes are not telling the truth, don’t you think?

    No, even if that were true, it's not enough to matter either way. It's still just hearsay and speculation.

    What are we talking about now? Are you really trying to tell me that all the people who voted in this poll for no didn’t want to vote for no? I don’t get your logic this makes no sense in any way.

    No, I'm saying trying to use the poll to define anything is laughable. Just because it may be better than other options is immaterial.

    I already wrote this...:

    To be a representative poll you need more informations thats right, but in terms of surveys that aim for a target group of 10.000 people, only 385 answers are needed to have a 5% margin of errors. This should not mean that the poll is not biased but it is by far better then asking in game chat

    Again, that doesn't mean anything, especially since it is self-select when you don't even have much information on your demographic. Heck, do you even know how large the WvW population even is?

    I think you should read up on how science actually works; it's not some kind of banner that allows you to discern the truth from one data point. And it's not certainly "At least it's not this other way"

    Defending keeps and such actions is not the same as caring for the score / win. You associate playing WvW with the desire to win / score or what ever you wanna call it. I don’t know why you combine the two now but I guess that’s your thing then.

    Sounds like splitting hairs.

    I never said simply defending or such. It can be used to get fights. I said defending keeps aggressively to an obsessive extent while avoiding fights and other actions that aren't associated with anything but PPT. I don't understand why people would go to such lengths to defend a structure if it didn't matter. i certainly don't care if people ninja a keep from me in the middle of the night. There's also very little in-game value.

    Maybe people just like to hump siege because it's fun?

    In the end it doesn’t matter what I say I guess, your opinion is that playing wvw is caring for the score even if people tell you otherwise so what else can I say so I think we should leave it now then. if you guys want to think that the majority is interested in this then stay with it, it is healthier for the gamemode anyways.

    Of course it doesn't. You have not stated anything that's true.

    The post I replied to at first prefaced it with "in my experience", so I agreed with that. The poll did not agree with my experience, but it does not mean either is right or wrong over the other. You then told me "nobody" cares about score, which is easily refuted just by me linking:

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1259151/#Comment_1259151

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1259165/#Comment_1259165

    Not to mention even in the poll itself, 28/98 isn't nobody or even close to nobody so....

    You are now just turning words around again, you know exactly what I meant with nobody don’t be that guy...

  • Tails.9372Tails.9372 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Personally I don't but many people seem to, otherwise there wouldn't be much of a point in defending anything (except for doing it just cause) as taking something over seems to generally be more rewarding.

  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't care about winning but getting more pips per tick is nice, so yes (sort of).

    If your team wins it's because of everyone else. If your team loses, blame the thief.
    ranger is OP but holo is more OP so its fine
    Why do this matter at all, you have people asking you why play so bad as fractal god?

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    The point is there is no point. As a nihilist, that's just perfect for me.

    Thief OP? Better nerf Scourge ... again.
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  • Sviel.7493Sviel.7493 Member ✭✭✭

    I care about it, but it's not what determines if I'm enjoying the game.

    What I want is to be attacked by multiple groups of enemies that are not overwhelming and not too dumb. I want to fight them for camps, for towers, for keeps and I want to win sometimes and lose sometimes based on how well we fight and how well we maneuver. If that happens while I'm in first place, fine. If it happens while I'm in last place, that's fine too.

    However, the score is what drives this conflict. When an enemy has a T3 keep on my home BL, I know that making it my T3 keep is more than a 60PPT swing with Yak points accounted for. I know that if I harass an enemy keep and prevent it going from T2 to T3 for a full skirmish, then I effectively prevented 96 points for that enemy and more depending on how many Yaks I killed and how long I controlled the camps for my team. This is fun and fulfilling only within the context of the score existing.

  • Jeydra.4386Jeydra.4386 Member ✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    @Senqu.8054 said:
    In the end it doesn’t matter what I say I guess, your opinion is that playing wvw is caring for the score even if people tell you otherwise so what else can I say so I think we should leave it now then. if you guys want to think that the majority is interested in this then stay with it, it is healthier for the gamemode anyways.

    Lots of people say X, then do ~X. Remember, actions speak louder than words. I gave two examples why people care about the score even though they say they don't.

    1. During season 1, Blackgate was completely stacked. They were queued on all four maps 24/7. SoR weren't able to keep up with that, and after a competitive start to the week many of them simply stopped playing. Explain why they'd do that, if they didn't care about the score and only cared about the fights. After all if BG had zergs running on all four maps 24/7, there are lots of fights to be had. It ought to be a WvW so-called "fight guild" dream. Yet not only did they not play, those fight guilds came to the forums complaining about how overstacked BG were. Why? Because they cared about the score. You might think they didn't care about the score, but rather that they're outnumbered; that's not the case - they might not be able to map queue all four maps, but they could certainly map queue two maps, and those two maps would not be outnumbered.
    2. In case that makes you think BG's fight guilds aren't like that, not so long ago two servers (if I remember right, KN and SBI) 2v1'ed BG out of T1. It was the first time in a long, long while that BG wasn't in T1. By the end of the week, KN and SBI had gotten so bored they'd started to fight each other. Why, because BG stopped logging on and KN/SBI had nothing else to do.
    3. Imagine this situation: you are red, and attempting to flip a T3 blue SMC which is being defended by a big blue zerg. They kill you, you respawn and regroup. During this time a green zerg hits Garri. Do you go to defend it? Regardless of how much they say they care about fights and not about ppt, very few commanders don't go. They could just ignore garri and go back and fight the blue zerg in SMC, but they don't. Why? Because they cared.
    4. For good measure: if the score is very close come the last few skirmishes of the week, people generally play, and they play a lot. I was in one such zerg, the commander had been tagged for over six hours (!), and it wasn't just him, when we fought the other zerg he would be like "here's their tag, kill him, make him go to sleep". Clearly the other tag had also been tagged for hours.

    Why would people say they don't care when they care? I'd say there are two reasons. The first is social pressure. Somehow people have gotten the idea that it's a sign of prestige to say they don't care. Here for example is something I saw not so long ago. We were red, and we had a T3 Mendon's + T3 SMC. One zerg hits SMC, we defend it. While we're doing that, another zerg hits Mendon's. This guy scouting Mendon's calls it. He calls it for long time, but we're fighting at SMC, so cannot respond. He complains we weren't responding for several minutes. Then we wipe the zerg at SMC just before the walls go down, and he says the wall's down and the tower's gone. I didn't believe him and went to Mendon's anyway, saw the Lord was still 100%, and called it. Rest of our server arrived and defended Mendon's. Afterwards I told him if he keeps making false calls people will stop believing him. He responded indignantly with "well I don't care about ppt, I only care about fights". I guess the irony of saying that immediately after complaining we weren't defending our ppt was lost on him.

    The second is that losing sucks. Nobody likes to lose. However because it's a competitive format, someone is going going to lose some of the time. Sometimes that T3 objective just cannot be defended. If that happens, it's much easier to say "I don't care about ppt" (and thereby implying that one didn't lose, since you got what you want in spite of it) than to acknowledge one has been defeated.

    As for "even if people tell you otherwise" - here's another example from not so long ago. We're losing the match. Guy says who cares, we'd rather be in T2 than T1. Next week we're in T2, he doesn't even log on to play, because there's nobody to fight. Did he really want to be in T2 instead of T1, now? He said he did. Do you believe him?

    Here's an example of genuine "not caring". Suppose there's a guild that uses only Sylvari characters. Do you switch to your own Sylvari characters, or mount a "Charr vs Sylvari" style GvG? I doubt anyone does. It's because people don't care.

    tl; dr: people say they don't care about the score, but their actions indicate they do.

  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I do WvW to be with my friends and share a big moment of fun. What I find the most interesting are the fights squad against squad. I never check on score. As long as I fight, it doesn't matter to me.

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  • Gorani.7205Gorani.7205 Member ✭✭✭

    I voted "other", because I personally don't play for score, but am kind of reliant on it not to be the worst.
    As a player that devotes around 1/3 of his game time to WvW, I don't have the rank to generate a lot of pips for skirmish chests and prefer not to play on the "3rd ranked team" status to get at least some rewards and stuff, because having a +3 or a +5 makes a difference over time, because I don't like chasing outnumbered maps (and don't think that the +5 buff for that is a good number compared to other means to get a bonus).
    But as long as I can play my kind of style (mostly tactical roaming for map dominance of small structures), I don't really care about the outcome of a match. On a lower tier, your options of game play are greatly reduced (mostly defensive game play, like fighting over structures gets negated), which is not fun.
    If I had a chance to get more skirmish tickets (e.g. via a daily merchant that would allow me to buy some with my thousands of Badges, or adding them to dailies, instead of tomes or writs of experience), I could not care less about the score.

  • Susy.7529Susy.7529 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes I do, I play for score and PPT, but my server don't they only care about zerg fights. I mostly like playing to cap objectives, fighting only when needed.
    Please name me a server who plays like I like if there is any (EU).

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    @Susy.7529 said:
    Yes I do, I play for score and PPT, but my server don't they only care about zerg fights. I mostly like playing to cap objectives, fighting only when needed.
    Please name me a server who plays like I like if there is any (EU).

    may i ask why? why u care i mean, because u realise it means nothin right? (no prize, no legitimate claim to be the best server, nothin.) doesnt mean ur server is the best, because if u win ur matchup its because u had more players, or u pptd in the off hours whith no resistance, and to top it off ur server is linked with another server..or even 2 servers, so it could just be down to those servers why u won, and in a few weeks you will get another link thatl maybe have less players or less ppters.

    and why is hitting a gate or a wall and then fighting npcs over and over any fun, or flipping camps over and over etc... i can only do it for so long and if it brings no enemys il probably logout..
    just curious....

    at the opposite end of that is the zerg fights, which i also find very boring, and can usually stomach only ten mins of it..before i think kitten am i doing,, yet every few months il find myself in a zerg curious to see if somethins changed or if i can last more than ten mins.
    the best part of wvw is 5-15 size squadplay, maybe 20 tops, and u play to find other groups of similar or bigger size to test yourselves in battle.... and a close 2nd would be solo or very small group, again to test yourself against similar or even bigger numbers...

    i just cant understand playing for ppt, or why anyone would be that bothered about the score..

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • Susy.7529Susy.7529 Member ✭✭✭

    @acidic.4356 said:

    @Susy.7529 said:
    Yes I do, I play for score and PPT, but my server don't they only care about zerg fights. I mostly like playing to cap objectives, fighting only when needed.
    Please name me a server who plays like I like if there is any (EU).

    may i ask why? why u care i mean, because u realise it means nothin right? (no prize, no legitimate claim to be the best server, nothin.) doesnt mean ur server is the best, because if u win ur matchup its because u had more players, or u pptd in the off hours whith no resistance, and to top it off ur server is linked with another server..or even 2 servers, so it could just be down to those servers why u won, and in a few weeks you will get another link thatl maybe have less players or less ppters.

    and why is hitting a gate or a wall and then fighting npcs over and over any fun, or flipping camps over and over etc... i can only do it for so long and if it brings no enemys il probably logout..
    just curious....

    I can't explain (especially in english), for me it's like asking why do you like more yellow than blue.

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @Susy.7529 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:

    @Susy.7529 said:
    Yes I do, I play for score and PPT, but my server don't they only care about zerg fights. I mostly like playing to cap objectives, fighting only when needed.
    Please name me a server who plays like I like if there is any (EU).

    may i ask why? why u care i mean, because u realise it means nothin right? (no prize, no legitimate claim to be the best server, nothin.) doesnt mean ur server is the best, because if u win ur matchup its because u had more players, or u pptd in the off hours whith no resistance, and to top it off ur server is linked with another server..or even 2 servers, so it could just be down to those servers why u won, and in a few weeks you will get another link thatl maybe have less players or less ppters.

    and why is hitting a gate or a wall and then fighting npcs over and over any fun, or flipping camps over and over etc... i can only do it for so long and if it brings no enemys il probably logout..
    just curious....

    I can't explain (especially in english), for me it's like asking why do you like more yellow than blue.

    good answer, and the right answer...because it is indeed , unexplainable :)

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    @acidic.4356 said:
    good answer, and the right answer...because it is indeed , unexplainable :)

    Why do ppl play games and enjoy to win . . . you wont understand, just give up on that pls :p

    @acidic.4356 said:
    because u realise it means nothin right? (no prize, no legitimate claim to be the best server, nothin.) doesnt mean ur server is the best

    it means exactly that

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:
    good answer, and the right answer...because it is indeed , unexplainable :)

    Why do ppl play games and enjoy to win . . . you wont understand, just give up on that pls :p

    @acidic.4356 said:
    because u realise it means nothin right? (no prize, no legitimate claim to be the best server, nothin.) doesnt mean ur server is the best

    it means exactly that

    that ur server is the best? is this what your sayin? coz im confused as to how...

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @acidic.4356 said:
    that ur server is the best? is this what your sayin? coz im confused as to how...

    I know ur confused

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    Selected "Other" because "No" implies that I don't care about what the game mode is about, which is not the case.

    I don't care because I am not a bandwagoner and play on the same server since 2012. And if you do that, then you either don't care or get depressed.

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:
    that ur server is the best? is this what your sayin? coz im confused as to how...

    I know ur confused

    yet you still wont explain how it makes your server the best, the best at off hour ppt, or the best at havin the most players maybe? the best at siege humping? just what is it that makes the matchup winner the best server?

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • Ultramex.1506Ultramex.1506 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    Along with K/D just to know if they cap stuff when the dominating server is asleep

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    @acidic.4356 said:
    yet you still wont explain how it makes your server the best, the best at off hour ppt, or the best at havin the most players maybe? the best at siege humping? just what is it that makes the matchup winner the best server?

    Winning defines who was better. Surprise! =)

    You mean the team with more play hours automatically wins? Obviously wrong. And btw, even if your team is matched vs. servers that got recent influx from transfers, your team can also play more. There is no limit, you can decide to play 24/7 this matchup, no one stops you doing so.

    Lets look at your precious 15 vs. 15. If one team plays 2 hours a week, and the other 2 hours per day, guess who usually wins. Ofc play hours usually matter, surprise again :o And if your team wins, it means nothing, since you could be the worst player ever who was just carried by 14 good ones.

    The difference, your version is an unofficial self-made fantasy mode. And the guy you've quoted before plays the game, with an official goal and official point system. Thats why ppl that win 100% of their fights but let the keep in their back fall fail hard at playing the game. Very simple.

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:
    yet you still wont explain how it makes your server the best, the best at off hour ppt, or the best at havin the most players maybe? the best at siege humping? just what is it that makes the matchup winner the best server?

    Winning defines who was better. Surprise! =)

    You mean the team with more play hours automatically wins? Obviously wrong. And btw, even if your team is matched vs. servers that got recent influx from transfers, your team can also play more. There is no limit, you can decide to play 24/7 this matchup, no one stops you doing so.

    Lets look at your precious 15 vs. 15. If one team plays 2 hours a week, and the other 2 hours per day, guess who usually wins. Ofc play hours usually matter, surprise again :o And if your team wins, it means nothing, since you could be the worst player ever who was just carried by 14 good ones.

    The difference, your version is an unofficial self-made fantasy mode. And the guy you've quoted before plays the game, with an official goal and official point system. Thats why ppl that win 100% of their fights but let the keep in their back fall fail hard at playing the game. Very simple.

    hey if u enjoy knockin down doors and walls all day thats fine by me. and if u think ur server is the best at it, fine.. il let you have that accolade.

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @acidic.4356 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:
    yet you still wont explain how it makes your server the best, the best at off hour ppt, or the best at havin the most players maybe? the best at siege humping? just what is it that makes the matchup winner the best server?

    Winning defines who was better. Surprise! =)

    You mean the team with more play hours automatically wins? Obviously wrong. And btw, even if your team is matched vs. servers that got recent influx from transfers, your team can also play more. There is no limit, you can decide to play 24/7 this matchup, no one stops you doing so.

    Lets look at your precious 15 vs. 15. If one team plays 2 hours a week, and the other 2 hours per day, guess who usually wins. Ofc play hours usually matter, surprise again :o And if your team wins, it means nothing, since you could be the worst player ever who was just carried by 14 good ones.

    The difference, your version is an unofficial self-made fantasy mode. And the guy you've quoted before plays the game, with an official goal and official point system. Thats why ppl that win 100% of their fights but let the keep in their back fall fail hard at playing the game. Very simple.

    hey if u enjoy knockin down doors and walls all day thats fine by me. and if u think ur server is the best at it, fine.. il let you have that accolade.

    Its unbelievable, you got so many explanations and still dont have a clue. No one cares what I think whos the best, or what you think whos the best. Its defined by who wins aka score.

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭✭

    maybe should have voted yes? or other?
    i personally couldnt careless for score unless i see we need to win or lose in order to avoid boring servers.

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    More score earning = more Pips, so I care a little.

    And as people have said it will effect who we are fighting so I care a bit about that. Roaming is a hard game or easy depending on the opposing team. I’d like a challenge so I want to be in a higher tier if possible.

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  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    Its unbelievable, you got so many explanations and still dont have a clue. No one cares what I think whos the best, or what you think whos the best. Its defined by who wins aka score.

    wasnt what ya said tho was it... ya said "it means exactly that" in reply to my "it doesnt mean your server is the best"

    i wasnt asking what it was defined by...... but you keep on makin ur own conversation and tryna twist it your way... hf

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • Tibicia.8315Tibicia.8315 Member ✭✭✭

    Scores only matter when you still have server pride.

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tibicia.8315 said:
    Scores only matter when you still have server pride.

    i agree, and now that there isnt any, scores dont matter..simple.

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @acidic.4356 said:
    i agree, and now that there isnt any, scores dont matter..simple.

    You're so out of touch with this game mode that you constantly make weird assumptions. There isnt any server pride left? Ehm no. PPT = hitting doors and NPCs? Hell no.

    and the best one

    @acidic.4356 said:
    because if u win ur matchup its because u had more players, or u pptd in the off hours whith no resistance

    If all ppl on your server would share your attitude, you would be beaten easily even if you would have tripple the numbers. You would be lost at the bottom of the lowest Tier with the lowest activity. Gl with "testing yourself in battle" and find some fights. You may attack a keep to force the enemy to fight . . . oh wait, that doesnt work, because no one in your team cares for PPT and score, so all enemy keeps are T3 and you will just fight walls and ACs. You may defend your keeps to have some fights . . . oh, wait, that doesnt work either, because its T0 and gets overrun before you arrive.

    Better say "thank you" to the ppl on your server that still play the game and carry you.

  • DeceiverX.8361DeceiverX.8361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2020

    Other.
    I mean it's really important to use some kind of system to ensure matches do not remain stagnant and can encourage servers to fight hard to maintain the matchups if they've been fun/good. 1U1D really does make this a race for the middle, however, and usually screws up matchups every other week, which is what I predicted to happen years ago, and why we need a model which makes new matchups on a frequent basis and uses metrics based on play time schedules and the likes.

    Let's not forget the original system where we might get a matchup change every 4-6 months, and people would just quit the game if their opposing server did not have a prime time group to fight but were in their corresponding tier solely because of some off-hours groups carrying the PPT/play hours numbers.

    Would people be happier with more constant action? Sure. But I think there's some confirmation bias there. Roaming/Havoc and small-scale balance is dead, meaning the need for players in small groups away from the action faded, so the only people really left playing will be in the larger groups who mostly just want to fight in said groups constantly, and don't need much of a map to do that.

    You sure that Sniper idea is as good as you thought it was gonna be?
    Because I think my original idea is better.

  • Jeydra.4386Jeydra.4386 Member ✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:
    Its unbelievable, you got so many explanations and still dont have a clue. No one cares what I think whos the best, or what you think whos the best. Its defined by who wins aka score.

    This might be how it works in a fair game, but it's not the case in WvW because the format is inherently unbalanced.

    Example: let's say there's a server that has queues on all four maps 24/7. You are playing against this server. You have 50% of their population and some dead timezones (i.e. no coverage). Your server usually wins during peak timezones when both sides have roughly equal numbers, but once people log off, they karma train everything so you only ever log on to paper objectives. By the end of the week your server has 4.00 KD, they have 0.3, and they win.

    Which server is better?

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2020

    @Jeydra.4386 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:
    Its unbelievable, you got so many explanations and still dont have a clue. No one cares what I think whos the best, or what you think whos the best. Its defined by who wins aka score.

    This might be how it works in a fair game, but it's not the case in WvW because the format is inherently unbalanced.

    Example: let's say there's a server that has queues on all four maps 24/7. You are playing against this server. You have 50% of their population and some dead timezones (i.e. no coverage). Your server usually wins during peak timezones when both sides have roughly equal numbers, but once people log off, they karma train everything so you only ever log on to paper objectives. By the end of the week your server has 4.00 KD, they have 0.3, and they win.

    Which server is better?

    From which point of view is important to you?

    Imo only okay. If on my timezone we win, I'm happy . But I have this hidden feeling, or guilty pleasure that I secretly want to win PPT too.

    I may say oh fights yey or we win. But fights are onlys legit if you set and agree upon it and the rules .

    So... You know, I want to win. And ultimately I have this even if scores don't matter, I don't want to lose

    This really sucks sometimes since, well, we are few. My guild mates and I, were like 8 to 15 tops and we don't always meet and play. Everytime I train new ppl, they miraculously take what I teach and use it against us. Hehe which isn't so bad creating new blood.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Besetment.9187Besetment.9187 Member ✭✭
    edited June 7, 2020

    People say they don't but they really do, judging by the amount of /map chat drama that happens every day. KDR people moaning at their PPT link for not having open tags or guilds doing the stuff they hate and apparently don't care about but have to mention anyway. And the opposite happening at the same time - the PPT guys moaning when they ask for help defending gari and a kitten fight guild EWPs, gets one pushed a couple of times and spectacularly rage quits.

    The only people who genuinely don't care and don't make excuses for why they aren't losing by x points or don't have y kdr or why their server isn't inherently better than the siege monkeys and rally bots on the other servers are the people who only go into wvw to get fast dailies and leave straight after. i.e. people who were never emotionally invested enough to play wvw for any reason except the mystic clovers.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2020

    @Jeydra.4386 said:

    @enkidu.5937 said:
    Its unbelievable, you got so many explanations and still dont have a clue. No one cares what I think whos the best, or what you think whos the best. Its defined by who wins aka score.

    This might be how it works in a fair game, but it's not the case in WvW because the format is inherently unbalanced.

    Example: let's say there's a server that has queues on all four maps 24/7. You are playing against this server. You have 50% of their population and some dead timezones (i.e. no coverage). Your server usually wins during peak timezones when both sides have roughly equal numbers, but once people log off, they karma train everything so you only ever log on to paper objectives. By the end of the week your server has 4.00 KD, they have 0.3, and they win.

    Which server is better?

    If your server has such a massive problem with coverage, there could be several reasons:
    (A) ppl dont like the matchup or enemy
    -> enemy server wins because of higher motivation to play the game and to win, so they are the better server
    (B) your server pop is in really bad balance, they only play at prime so ppl lose interest because they already know that they will lose because of that
    -> enemy server is better
    (C) most of your server only logs in for the fights (otherwise a K/D of 4 would not be doable) and thus ppl who play to win decide to take a break or left
    -> enemy server is better
    (D) enemy server got a huge transfer influx after relink, that wouldnt explain the numbers you provided, but ok, theoretically it could happen
    -> enemy server is better

    No matter which case is true, doesnt mean that winning gets meaningless. You will lose vs. this server, you will not become No. 1 in Tier 1, you will trop in Tiers, and you can still win matchups there.

    (E) The only situation were this doesnt apply is when your server loses massive numbers after re-link, so you stuck at last place in bottom Tier for 8 weeks. This already happened to several servers (including mine). But usually that is because the community is in a bad state and just splits up, or leaves because "we want to do something new"
    -> enemy server is better . . . but you can still influence transfers: have a good community, dont be too focussed on one thing (PvD or PPK), so your server will prolly have an influx of good WvWlers again during those 8 weeks. I already had this on my server once, so this is just part of the game and part of "which server is better".

    So if you are wording your question like this:

    @Jeydra.4386 said:
    Which server is better?

    or
    @acidic.4356 said:

    just what is it that makes the matchup winner the best server?

    The answer that I already gave is: the server (or server + server = team) who wins the matchup is the better server.

    If you want to know "why did a server win the matchup?", I would answer "Because of the higher motivation to win or at least to play the game mode, which both includes PPT aka caring and fighting for objectives. And because of a good balance or mixture, so you have some good fighters, some night watch, some sneaky roamers, etc. etc. There are so many components how to be the better server that it cant just be broken down to "they have more numbers or midnight PPTlers".

    If there is one thing this poll teaches us is that a raw advantage in numbers (or better play hours) doesnt mean much in the first place. Because obviously, a significant amount of players completely lacks the motivation to play the game mode, and instead do "fight arena".

    So, more ppl could also mean: you cant make a Zerg to take or defend a T2/T3 keep because your server is full of fight guilds that do scrims, blocking the maps. Could also mean the server is full of PvDlers that come for their dailies and avoid fights. Or your server only plays at prime, making a good coordination hard because of massive ques, and there are empty maps during off hours.

    Long story short: motivation and a good balance / mixture makes you win matchups. Adding recent transfer influx, time coverage, community, tradition and other reasons.

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:
    i agree, and now that there isnt any, scores dont matter..simple.

    You're so out of touch with this game mode that you constantly make weird assumptions. There isnt any server pride left? Ehm no. PPT = hitting doors and NPCs? Hell no.

    and the best one

    @acidic.4356 said:
    because if u win ur matchup its because u had more players, or u pptd in the off hours whith no resistance

    If all ppl on your server would share your attitude, you would be beaten easily even if you would have tripple the numbers. You would be lost at the bottom of the lowest Tier with the lowest activity. Gl with "testing yourself in battle" and find some fights. You may attack a keep to force the enemy to fight . . . oh wait, that doesnt work, because no one in your team cares for PPT and score, so all enemy keeps are T3 and you will just fight walls and ACs. You may defend your keeps to have some fights . . . oh, wait, that doesnt work either, because its T0 and gets overrun before you arrive.

    Better say "thank you" to the ppl on your server that still play the game and carry you.

    well id say your out of touch with reality, but ya know.. we can disagree thats fine,,, as for being carried, in what way? to win the matchup? that anyone with a brain realises means nothing? for the multiple reasons already stated... and your taking what ive said way too serious, about hitting door n npcs... its like your taking it literally. almost like your getting upset over my views.

    honestly ur "server is better" argument is stupid, all the reasons you stated above point to that server having more players, which does not make it better.... its ridiculous that you think like that... and it also reinforces what i said about winning matchups..

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2020

    @acidic.4356 said:
    to win the matchup? that anyone with a brain realises means nothing?

    lul

    @acidic.4356 said:
    honestly ur "server is better" argument is stupid, all the reasons you stated above point to that server having more players, which does not make it better.... its ridiculous that you think like that... and it also reinforces what i said about winning matchups..

    what "argument"? Its how Anet designed the game mode and score, and I enjoy it. So, ppl that enjoy playing the game and winning are stupid? Ok then. I sometimes go to the sports ground and play some ball and try to score as well, though I dont get rewarded for that. How shocking is that?!

    You just seem to be jealous about ppl that still enjoy winning and playing the game. Thats just normal, because its just a side-mode with few content updates etc. I took a break for 2 years when the mode became boring. But with the right dose, winning matchups can still be fun. Me having fun because of winning makes me brainless? Hmmm, dont think so ;)

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2020

    Meanwhile during a friendly amateur soccer game:

    Blue: Goal, Goal! Yeah 4-5 one more and we are even!
    Green: So you care for the score, look I told you!
    Blue No I just like to play soccer
    Green: But you celebrated the goal
    Blue: Yeah that’s the game
    Green: But you run for your life just to catch the ball
    Blue: Yeah that’s the game
    Green: So you care for the score, look I told you!
    Blue: No I just like to play soccer...

    —————

    Meanwhile during a friendly soccer game, amateurs against the Brazilian national team

    Blue: meh we have 0 chance against them, I don’t even get the ball, this game sucks
    Green: So you care for the score, look I told you!
    Blue: No, I just want to play and have fun
    Green: But you don’t like to play if you lose, so you care for the score!
    Blue: No, I just want to have a fair match....

  • acidic.4356acidic.4356 Member ✭✭✭

    @enkidu.5937 said:

    @acidic.4356 said:
    to win the matchup? that anyone with a brain realises means nothing?

    lul

    @acidic.4356 said:
    honestly ur "server is better" argument is stupid, all the reasons you stated above point to that server having more players, which does not make it better.... its ridiculous that you think like that... and it also reinforces what i said about winning matchups..

    what "argument"? Its how Anet designed the game mode and score, and I enjoy it. So, ppl that enjoy playing the game and winning are stupid? Ok then. I sometimes go to the sports ground and play some ball and try to score as well, though I dont get rewarded for that. How shocking is that?!

    You just seem to be jealous about ppl that still enjoy winning and playing the game. Thats just normal, because its just a side-mode with few content updates etc. I took a break for 2 years when the mode became boring. But with the right dose, winning matchups can still be fun. Me having fun because of winning makes me brainless? Hmmm, dont think so ;)

    this was about how a server is "best" and you still havnt given a credible answer ( because there isnt one ) and i enjoy the game too, but again go ahead and twist ur convo to suit, like i said ur upset because i have a diffrent view of things, and cant accept it...

    dear anet - rollback to year 2 of wvw, and start again.. thankyou.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    @acidic.4356 said:
    this was about how a server is "best" and you still havnt given a credible answer ( because there isnt one )

    So, maybe its was too many words. ;) I try to keep it short this last time: Anet defines who is best, they made a scoring system for that purpose. You win -> you best. I also described how you can achieve winning Matchups, wont repeat it, but just a litte hint: its not just about more ppl and midnight PvD as you've stated it.

    and i enjoy the game too

    You already said that you dont enjoy playing the game, you get bored quickly and quit after minutes. You also said, that you go for a self-made version instead.

    ur upset because i have a diffrent view of things, and cant accept it...

    Since you are the one that constantly insults ppl, I guess its you that cant accept that ppl having fun with playing the game and winning. But to make you feel better: I accept that you lost interest in the game, I even gave the explanation: you got bored after years of playing, which is normal. I can totally accept that without insulting you as a person with no brain. Play your self-made "fight arena" and get carried by "PPT"lers, gl

  • Tails.9372Tails.9372 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Besetment.9187 said:
    The only people who genuinely don't care ... are the people who ... were never emotionally invested enough to play wvw for any reason except the mystic clovers.

    So basically everyone whos playing for rewards as, like I said, taking things over is generally more rewarding as defending and you can't take things over if your team already controls the map.