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Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited June 9, 2020 in PVP

This game modes matchmaking is fine as long a it's solo vs solo. However, it tries to put solo and 2, 3, 4 and 5 man queues all into the same pool which COMPLETELY destroys the system and makes it non-functional. The majority of my games are 1 sided stomps from either side.

By having such bad matches in your "unranked" mode, which is the introductory mode for new players, you're actively making players stop PvPing entirely as their first introduction to PvP is nothing but uneven unfun games where you don't learn anything. It doesn't encourage people to queue for ranked - it does the opposite, it encourages them to give up on PvP all together.

I spend so much time adding people to my friend list to queue dodge their premade that it's gotten absurd.

Please look into revamping the unranked systems matchmaking if you'd like this game mode to gain players.
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  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    In unranked it's probably because the higher ranked players are avoiding queues and duo'ing or running around unranked because they want to pvp without losing their rating.

    But I agree it's pretty lame. I played unranked a few weeks ago and seemingly every other match I was up against a duo legend pair. Really frustrating and I can imagine it's even more frustrating for new players that are just stepping foot in unranked or wanting to casually check out the game mode.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm understanding the issue, and it's 100% group queues. They need to be put into their own queue because I get games nearly instantly before 8 PM and 80% of them are 5 solo vs 5 solo, then after 8 PM it's 80% group queues.

    That means that there's more than enough people for group vs group and solo vs solo only queues to work. Trying to put both in the same queue pool destroys match balance, as I'm seeing every single day once the group queues start.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    as for me this is part of fun. Is it good that non exp player's get in matchmap few legend duo. It good motivation, to see and feel power of skills. Look, learn, be better, get fun and try repeat domination neaxt time then instead legends will come non exp players.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Why is every single match after 8 PM EST a 1 sided stomp? It happens every single day. The matchmaking gets WORSE the more people queueing. How is that possible?

    Before 8 PM I get pretty ok games, some are questionable, but after 8 PM they are 100% one sided every single time. There's also tons of premades past 8, is that why? Can you disable premades from solo queue?

    Get friends, get organized and fight back if you know that after 8pm more teams are queuing up.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    I don't have any friends who still play this game, and who could blame them for no longer playing?

    Anyways, unranked in it's current form probably makes more people quit PvP than it keeps. I think unranked should be deleted for perma seasons. You get completely utterly unplayable horrible games nearly 100% of the time in unranked, it's very offputting and will make someone have ZERO interest in ever trying out the ranked modes.

    Unranked basically kills off the player base by existing. The reason queues are so bad is because it allows solos vs premades which skews the matchmaker and makes every game uneven.

    If you want more players to stick around playing PvP, then unranked either needs to be deleted, solo and premades need to be their own queue pools, or there needs to bea 24/7 ranked only conquest queue.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    Why in the ...... would anyone devote time to unranked, it's a complete waste of time unless ur just messing around testing builds which then it's fine but to actual play seriously its impossible in unranked unless u like fighting out numbered at every map boost like bell urself vs the rest of the enemy team. Or if u just killed a opponent in a 2v1 and the second opponent downs u with only bit of hp left only to have ur teammate stand there like a idiot while u get cleaved down than as ur laying their watch ur teammate get destroyed lol. Not knocking anyones skill level just stating there players who play worse then bots and often that's two or more of ur teamates so makes it hard to have a fun but serious pvp match lol. The best is when u fight outnumbered 2v1 while ur teammate ranger sits pew pewing 10 feet from a uncaptured node just autoing one of the 2 opponents ur fighting, like at least stand on the fing node man lol

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Why in the ...... would anyone devote time to unranked

    cuz I will nearly always queue with 4 people to stomp noobs or get stomped by some mAT winner team, or more like exact opposite.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2020

    @Tayga.3192 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Why in the ...... would anyone devote time to unranked

    cuz I will nearly always queue with 4 people to stomp noobs or get stomped by some mAT winner team, or more like exact opposite.

    Neither of those sound like fun intense pvp to me lol. Even when ur stomping and winning most 2v1's when a third player comes and picks u off when ur almost dead but u get them near death to see u teamate right next to u not be able to stop them from cleaving u than dying to that opponent after is funny but gets old. Stomping teams is boring fast and is less fun then being stomped as long as ur teammates are at least looking like their trying lol a close loss in my books is just under a close win as far as match enjoyment goes but this games current pvp is so far from enjoyment it's not funny anymore. And ranked without major changes wont be much different.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Why in the ...... would anyone devote time to unranked, it's a complete waste of time unless ur just messing around testing builds which then it's fine but to actual play seriously its impossible in unranked unless u like fighting out numbered at every map boost like bell urself vs the rest of the enemy team. Or if u just killed a opponent in a 2v1 and the second opponent downs u with only bit of hp left only to have ur teammate stand there like a idiot while u get cleaved down than as ur laying their watch ur teammate get destroyed lol. Not knocking anyones skill level just stating there players who play worse then bots and often that's two or more of ur teamates so makes it hard to have a fun but serious pvp match lol. The best is when u fight outnumbered 2v1 while ur teammate ranger sits pew pewing 10 feet from a uncaptured node just autoing one of the 2 opponents ur fighting, like at least stand on the fing node man lol

    Because conquest ranked has downtime for some unknown reason.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Why in the ...... would anyone devote time to unranked, it's a complete waste of time unless ur just messing around testing builds which then it's fine but to actual play seriously its impossible in unranked unless u like fighting out numbered at every map boost like bell urself vs the rest of the enemy team. Or if u just killed a opponent in a 2v1 and the second opponent downs u with only bit of hp left only to have ur teammate stand there like a idiot while u get cleaved down than as ur laying their watch ur teammate get destroyed lol. Not knocking anyones skill level just stating there players who play worse then bots and often that's two or more of ur teamates so makes it hard to have a fun but serious pvp match lol. The best is when u fight outnumbered 2v1 while ur teammate ranger sits pew pewing 10 feet from a uncaptured node just autoing one of the 2 opponents ur fighting, like at least stand on the fing node man lol

    Because conquest ranked has downtime for some unknown reason.

    Yeah for one dont really know the point of the downtime. 2 ranked isnt much better lol

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So during the downtime people just don't do conquest and a lot of people take breaks due to how bad unranked is. Would be nice if unranked wasn't so bad.

  • Multicolorhipster.9751Multicolorhipster.9751 Member ✭✭✭✭

    U rite. Kinda...

    It's frustrating to the average player when the top 5, 4, 3, or 2 players from the leaderboard(or similar) are pubstomping all sweaty-like in Unranked.

    It's Unranked though, so the matchmaking can be bad. Finding a game is more important than match quality when it comes to Unranked, and that's why merged queues work there. I doubt anyone; especially people looking to get dailies done quick, or just testing building, would want to wait longer for a potentially more even matchup.

    In Ranked there's no excuse. Either the matchmaking should be better, or the queues should be split.

    Remove or Split DuoQ, revolution of our time! 😷

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    I just went against Zyn, who is a winner of a monthly automated tournament and no one my team(including me) was anywhere near that skill level.

    This is just absurd. This isn't even playable.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    I don't have any friends who still play this game, and who could blame them for no longer playing?

    Anyways, unranked in it's current form probably makes more people quit PvP than it keeps. I think unranked should be deleted for perma seasons. You get completely utterly unplayable horrible games nearly 100% of the time in unranked, it's very offputting and will make someone have ZERO interest in ever trying out the ranked modes.

    Unranked basically kills off the player base by existing. The reason queues are so bad is because it allows solos vs premades which skews the matchmaker and makes every game uneven.

    If you want more players to stick around playing PvP, then unranked either needs to be deleted, solo and premades need to be their own queue pools, or there needs to bea 24/7 ranked only conquest queue.

    Make new friends with those people still participating in spvp. Right?

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2020

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    I love how people think that it's cool for unranked folks to see the top players consistently in their game. No, it's not good, they're not teaching me anything, and I know kitten well my team ain't gonna learn anything from it.

    Most games, even when declining, you NEVER see top players ever. Ever. Period. Learning the game and getting better is about gradual progression, not going from 0-100 and praying that you learn from the massive noobstomps. God, these people on these forums bruh.

    It's like playing a fighting game and half your matches are you being perfected by tournament winners. Zero fun, zero learming.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    I love how people think that it's cool for unranked folks to see the top players consistently in their game. No, it's not good, they're not teaching me anything, and I know kitten well my team ain't gonna learn anything from it.

    Most games, even when declining, you NEVER see top players ever. Ever. Period. Learning the game and getting better is about gradual progression, not going from 0-100 and praying that you learn from the massive noobstomps. God, these people on these forums bruh.

    It's like playing a fighting game and half your matches are you being perfected by tournament winners. Zero fun, zero learming.

    Exactly, and as you can see in other mmos, fighting games, mobas, shooters new, upcoming top players always come through to challenge those players BECAUSE they've had that time to go through that gradual progression and learn the skills that the pros did. A good system was able to support them and allow them to grow as a player.

    In GW2? Same top players for years with maybe one or two shifts unless said players flat out leave the game. Why would anyone want to put in the extra work in a botched system, class stacked games, and blatant cheese builds that promote less skill, less thinking, less learning of proper mechanic management.

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    This game modes matchmaking is fine as long a it's solo vs solo. However, it tries to put solo and 2, 3, 4 and 5 man queues all into the same pool which COMPLETELY destroys the system and makes it non-functional. The majority of my games are 1 sided stomps from either side.

    By having such bad matches in your "unranked" mode, which is the introductory mode for new players, you're actively making players stop PvPing entirely as their first introduction to PvP is nothing but uneven unfun games where you don't learn anything. It doesn't encourage people to queue for ranked - it does the opposite, it encourages them to give up on PvP all together.

    I spend so much time adding people to my friend list to queue dodge their premade that it's gotten absurd.

    Please look into revamping the unranked systems matchmaking if you'd like this game mode to gain players.

    As long as pvp seasons remain focused on conquest, you don't really have a point. Unranked is for learning, having fun and just generally being chill when you don't feel like tryharding. Why not allow players to play with friends in a gamemode with no stakes whatsoever?

    Ranked conquest needs to meet these demands. Unranked doesn't.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ranked doesn't have 100% uptime, so you just DON'T PLAY THE GAME between seasons? Anet doesn't want people to just not play their game.

  • LCL.6259LCL.6259 Member ✭✭
    edited June 6, 2020

    I came back from a year-long break and queued unranked to clean the rust off. Every match I got was vs top 200 premade teams, all of them still playing from when I quit. I may as well just queue ranked because unranked is a waste of time. No wonder these are the only people still left. I'm trying to mess around and learn an offspec and all I can find are the sweatiest matches.

    The only good thing I'll say is that 3v3 should have been added to the game 5 years ago. I honestly can't believe they did it, this is the only smart decision I've seen in god knows how long.

  • @Shiyo.3578 said:
    This game modes matchmaking is fine as long a it's solo vs solo. However, it tries to put solo and 2, 3, 4 and 5 man queues all into the same pool which COMPLETELY destroys the system and makes it non-functional. The majority of my games are 1 sided stomps from either side.

    Unranked system does not need to be re-examined. Some people have to re-examine if PvP is for them.

    It’s amazing how people would always find something to complain about… even in unranked matches. It’s fun to be able to play with and against more experienced players - this is how you learn… to observe what, when, and how. Pay attention to the map and team composition, learn to play your role well and understand map rotations. Practice in PvP training areas and the arena, and if you really want to learn, stop with pessimistic snowflake attitude. Unranked matches are not about winning but about learning and testing new builds. Ask yourself a question is PvP for you? Maybe you better off doing some epic battles against pocket raptors in PvE?

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You don't learn being GY camped because your teammates give up after wiping once.

  • Starbreaker.6507Starbreaker.6507 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    You don't learn being GY camped because your teammates give up after wiping once.

    Because that never happens with baddies in ranked, right?

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not as often I'd guess.

  • fenix.8529fenix.8529 Member ✭✭

    Yeah, had nice "learning" game at 37 pvp rank against 4-WORM-s, so much interesting knowledge.GW2 Pvp-Kamasutra its called.
    1) How to be kitten-ed against coordinated team in strange poses.
    2) How to lost 10 minutes of your life, seeing how one person has more winning matches, than all your team have ever had.
    3) How to observe young girl is having French-sandwich party.
    Please dont be stupid, this unranked matchmaking is not working. For example, when you starting to play football, you're not playning against WorldChampion Team, you training against your level-team, you cant learn from being kitten by Messy(For Example).

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Ranked doesn't have 100% uptime, so you just DON'T PLAY THE GAME between seasons? Anet doesn't want people to just not play their game.

    Play PvE(raids, freggels, strike missions whatever). Try some WvW roaming (entirely different balance, it's like a different game). Learn a new class in unranked. Craft a legendary... if none of this can divert your attention for 1-2 weeks between seasons, well though kitten. Seems like you'll have to deal with the agonising pain of not playing the game until the new season starts.

    What you're asking is to take away the ability from people to team up and have fun in conquest. Way more people enjoy playing with friends than there are players upset by unranked not being exacly like ranked. You want to hurt the majority to favor a really fringe minority here, that's why your request is unreasonable.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Please do something about your unranked matchmaking. I suggest completely removing the ability to queue as 5, and forcing premades to only fight eachother of equal size. This current matchmaking is unhealthy for the future of the game and just leaves a bad taste new players mouths which probably makes them end up giving up on the games PvP entirely.

    Example:
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231147378990645248/719777484383584286/unknown.png

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Try a brand new build that's bad and a weapon that's bad, get against 2 people with the monthly tournament winning buff.

    Fantastic matchmaking, btw.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Try a brand new build that's bad and a weapon that's bad, get against 2 people with the monthly tournament winning buff.

    Fantastic matchmaking, btw.

    It's usually the same people over and over from my experience in the unranked games. Anya is usually duoing with another person and then there's Mattjones or something I've seen quite a bit. I think it has to do with playing time though. My hours seem to match theirs. If you really are struggling with going against higher ups like this frequently I'd consider friending them and waiting until they've queued. It's sad to have to queue dodge in unranked, but it can be a pretty miserable experience going up against really high rated players. Especially when you get the team full of other people just playing around with wonky builds or that are just new. The game is still winnable but you wind up having to find something that can counter whatever builds they're playing easily enough to balance out their skill level. lol And then you're stuck playing something you don't really want to play just to not waste 15 minutes in a blowout match.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I saw Tophhher in my matches. Anya. Zynnnnn playing the Condi Renegade kitten. Man oh man, balanced matches. I won't explain how those matches went.

  • choovanski.5462choovanski.5462 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Please do something about your unranked matchmaking. I suggest completely removing the ability to queue as 5, and forcing premades to only fight eachother of equal size. This current matchmaking is unhealthy for the future of the game and just leaves a bad taste new players mouths which probably makes them end up giving up on the games PvP entirely.

    so you wanna remove the last place people can play PvP on demand with more than one friend?

    feel like people like you forget this is an mmo, & not some single player experience. ya’ll already got teams in ranked removed, & killed all the PvP guilds- but that’s not enough. GW2 gotta be solo only unless you are online at the same time as a scheduled AT.

    i assume you think this will get you more wins, & destroying the last social outlet in this gamemode is worth it for you. a new player joining the game, & being able to play with two veteran friends in unranked while they teach him- nope gotta kill that, you might lose a game. so gotta make sure no one can have fun in discord with their friends, or teach anyone how to play while playing with them. that all standing in the way of your unranked wins right? so it has to go. those unranked wins are just such a big deal for you, that the ability to play this team game socially on demand has to be deleted.

    causing all the social players in parties to quit, is for sure gonna improve the matchmaking. the people who play with other people absolutely don't recommend this game to their friends & teach them how to play in unranked parties. it’s all the solo queue players who blame everyone else for their losses, afk, & spam trash in map chat that grow the community. they bring tons of people to the game & never once have driven someone away /s

    dude. just play ranked if you wanna solo queue.
    you’ll have to find something else to blame your losses on tho, so i mean thats gonna be a challenge. luckily you’ll find out pretty quickly the community is so small that you will basically never get balanced matches, even in a solo/duo environment- yup thats right facing AT winners with silvers on your team still happens in ranked even when team queue is gone. so homes, your solution for fixing unbalanced matches wont even work, the population is too small & the skill disparity is too big. all you can do is kill the last bit of community left, & get more people to quit- & i really don't think thats what you're looking for.

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  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    Ya

    Back in the beginning of quarantine when i was playing morning time i had to dodge the same 4 man party ecery morning

    Yesterday i experienced twice a team having 2 duos and the other none, both times in ranked

    In unranked i got a ramdomic team against a 3 man high plat pt

    I'll post the screenshots once i get home

    Sometimes i just want chill with a new build or a new class in unranked and then i find myself vs those very explosive teams which i wouldn't win even if I played my best build

    Ranked is also messed up by duos, I've seen top players claim duo q keeps the match quality higher, but I ask for whom

    I mean it's better to have those high plat players playing against each other for the other 8 players, than having them in the same team, and then if you're one of those 8 players you either dodge them or pray to be placed in their team

    Even if those 2 players dodge each other to get an easier match their carry potential is cut off by 50% and the matchmaking is better for 9 players not for 2