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Good day everyone ,

Over the past few week in our raids and fracs we have encountered alot of players joining the group with no regard to our lfg ad. Examples include t4 + recs LF : Hb. Plenty of the joiners are not communicating when they join to explain the discrepancy between the ad and the class the brought. Had a few people message me back with worthless complaints on their removal from our party. Has anyone else had these issues or have a solution.

Regards,

Alac man

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  • Hi Mindcircus ,

    Thanks for the replay. Bit of a bummer ,but you are right. Not much to do I guess. I was hoping there was some funny miscommunication I didn't pick up on the last 7 years.

    Thanks ,

    Alac man

  • Tails.9372Tails.9372 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well the easiest "solution" would be to just pay with your guild or make premade groups, you don't have to worry about randoms if you're already a full team.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well I would ping some ale or sum since your clearly looking for Hb= swedish home made booze.
    I guess you mean heal firebrand hfb right?

  • @tails true that solves issues I was more wondering what was the deal. If this issue was sparce then ok, but it is a constant battle when I'm not playing on static. We look for our healers first and it's a actual flood of random dps wandering in. It's a bit funny that no hand kiters randomly join. The same issue occurs in strikes as well.

  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2020

    As Tails.9372 said, PuG'ing is random. Reasons could be didn't read the complete LFG, don't understand the jargons (alacren, HB etc.), don't think the requirement is necessary, swapping to an alt and so on.

    Imo, block seems excessive, could just explain to them and kick if necessary. Try placing the requirement infront (eg. LF: Hb, t4+ recs).

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2020

    People don't care four your wishes and join anyway, it's as plain as that.

    The easiest solution might be for you to play the role you want for your group.
    This just gets slightly more difficult if you wish for multiple roles (like an Alacrity Renegade or Boon Support Mesmer in addition to said Healbrand).

  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2020

    @Tails.9372 said:
    Well the easiest "solution" would be to just pay with your guild or make premade groups, you don't have to worry about randoms if you're already a full team.

    OR have Anet retool LFG to require the requested class as a joining requirement. These things are pretty simple in the business world.

    [as I've said before: "I love spaghetti code and I'm available"]

    Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @Tails.9372 said:
    Well the easiest "solution" would be to just pay with your guild or make premade groups, you don't have to worry about randoms if you're already a full team.

    OR have Anet retool LFG to require the requested class as a joining requirement. These things are pretty simple in the business world.

    [as I've said before: "I love spaghetti code and I'm available"]

    I would settle for the LFG to display the elite the player is using (eg. Core Guard, Firebrand or Dragonhunter) rather than it just displaying the guardian icon.

  • frareanselm.1925frareanselm.1925 Member ✭✭✭

    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

  • @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    I think this is not really the issue. If a person better at dps ele then that is fine. The root issue is the advertisement and the proposed service do not match. We request alac and a dps shows up with no communication or explanation to how they would service our needs.

  • Blueberry.8095Blueberry.8095 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @panzerdragon.8791 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    I think this is not really the issue. If a person better at dps ele then that is fine. The root issue is the advertisement and the proposed service do not match. We request alac and a dps shows up with no communication or explanation to how they would service our needs.

    Agree, I think the easier way to explain this is - when you go to the pharmacy asking for panadols for headache, but instead, they give you antihistamine for allergies :#

  • LadyKitty.6120LadyKitty.6120 Member ✭✭✭

    @keenedge.9675 said:

    @Tails.9372 said:
    Well the easiest "solution" would be to just pay with your guild or make premade groups, you don't have to worry about randoms if you're already a full team.

    OR have Anet retool LFG to require the requested class as a joining requirement. These things are pretty simple in the business world.

    [as I've said before: "I love spaghetti code and I'm available"]

    Doesn't work. Gotta remember that almost every class has popular power, condi, support hybrid and heal variation and even multiple variations within them. GW2 doesn't have any defining factors for "tank" or stuff while other games have roles locked to certain specs and you can't join as that role without having that spec. And further up, GW2 also has many peoples who don't understand how builds for instanced PVE content works and thus they might join that kind of LFG without knowing better what's actually required.

    It's Kitty. The young lady who streams and records videos playing various (non-)metabuilds. Raid/fractal videos at youtube.com/LadyKitty, Kittymarks test results at youtube.com/Kittymarks and tinyurl.com/Kittymarks.

  • frareanselm.1925frareanselm.1925 Member ✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    It doesn't matter.
    If someone's LFG says they want their DPS to be a Dire full Turret Holosmith or a Sentinel's Scourge and you are neither of these things then you don't join, even if you are well versed in a different and more effective DPS.
    The End.
    But again, we have the tools to deal with this already.
    Kick. Block if desired and move on.
    Report if they react in a manner that violates the ToS.

    I dont think fractals are so meta to ask for specific class combos and being so elitist. because i've seen pro people soloing most stuff or in duos.

  • LadyKitty.6120LadyKitty.6120 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    It doesn't matter.
    If someone's LFG says they want their DPS to be a Dire full Turret Holosmith or a Sentinel's Scourge and you are neither of these things then you don't join, even if you are well versed in a different and more effective DPS.
    The End.
    But again, we have the tools to deal with this already.
    Kick. Block if desired and move on.
    Report if they react in a manner that violates the ToS.

    I dont think fractals are so meta to ask for specific class combos and being so elitist. because i've seen pro people soloing most stuff or in duos.

    Kitty's also seen pro people solo raid stuff or in duos. But that doesn't mean that certain classes don't have certain advantages and if you ignore quickness (there's only 2 elite specs that can provide it reliably and very few others can self-sustain to some extent though that's usually losing dps from other traits), you're pretty much automatically in for 33% longer boss fight (at the very minimum). And due agony reducing incoming healing by 70% when it procs, guess who's in serious advantage at healing: the healer with blocks or another stronger healer without blocks? Healbrand currently has so excessive amounts of QoL compared to other healers in fractals atm that ofc people want to take it for carry.
    E: And it's not like Kitty likes the current situation either. The way quickness and alacrity as strong boons are bound to 2 classes each and how esp. quickness is so strong is somewhat disgusting as that seriously limits the options on what people would want as supports.

    It's Kitty. The young lady who streams and records videos playing various (non-)metabuilds. Raid/fractal videos at youtube.com/LadyKitty, Kittymarks test results at youtube.com/Kittymarks and tinyurl.com/Kittymarks.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    It doesn't matter.
    If someone's LFG says they want their DPS to be a Dire full Turret Holosmith or a Sentinel's Scourge and you are neither of these things then you don't join, even if you are well versed in a different and more effective DPS.
    The End.
    But again, we have the tools to deal with this already.
    Kick. Block if desired and move on.
    Report if they react in a manner that violates the ToS.

    I dont think fractals are so meta to ask for specific class combos and being so elitist. because i've seen pro people soloing most stuff or in duos.

    And neither are 3 of the strikes. But it's their team and they manage it how they choose.
    Just because someone can do it with anyone doesn't mean they want to.

    I simply do not understand why you would even debate or make excuses.
    Their Team, their rules... abide or make your own team.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • KidRoleplay.3615KidRoleplay.3615 Member ✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    It doesn't matter.
    If someone's LFG says they want their DPS to be a Dire full Turret Holosmith or a Sentinel's Scourge and you are neither of these things then you don't join, even if you are well versed in a different and more effective DPS.
    The End.
    But again, we have the tools to deal with this already.
    Kick. Block if desired and move on.
    Report if they react in a manner that violates the ToS.

    I dont think fractals are so meta to ask for specific class combos and being so elitist. because i've seen pro people soloing most stuff or in duos.

    And neither are 3 of the strikes. But it's their team and they manage it how they choose.
    Just because someone can do it with anyone doesn't mean they want to.

    I simply do not understand why you would even debate or make excuses.
    Their Team, their rules... abide or make your own team.

    This. And also as many times as it has been said before.

    No matter how much one feels they know better or how correct they are, it's rude to force one's way onto another's group contrary to their description. That does not mean you can't negotiate however and come to an agreement with the party, but just barging in against the request is inconsiderate.

  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    It doesn't matter.
    If someone's LFG says they want their DPS to be a Dire full Turret Holosmith or a Sentinel's Scourge and you are neither of these things then you don't join, even if you are well versed in a different and more effective DPS.
    The End.
    But again, we have the tools to deal with this already.
    Kick. Block if desired and move on.
    Report if they react in a manner that violates the ToS.

    I dont think fractals are so meta to ask for specific class combos and being so elitist. because i've seen pro people soloing most stuff or in duos.

    Start your own group labeled all classes welcome if you really feel that way for daily cms and t4s. I'd love to see the no elitist run where it takes 10 break bars to phase ensolyss

  • Tails.9372Tails.9372 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @KidRoleplay.3615 said:
    it's rude to force one's way onto another's group

    I agree, sad thing that this line of thinking goes right out of the window when it comes to other gameplay related topics.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Here is what I do in Strike Missions to deal with this issue:

    • First of, I demand players who join to post their role. If they don't comply, they get kicked.
    • Next, I place players who fit the requirements in subgroup 2 and 3 and leave those who don't in subgroup 1. Some of the latter often ask what is still needed and then relog (you need to give them a chance to do so ;) ). If they don't, I kick them.

    This has proven to be a successful technique. However, I see the difficulty in Fractal groups, since they are not squads. ANet needs to think of something there.

  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:
    People join whith the class they know better. Do you want them to come with a class they have no clue just to fit in the group and die constantly?

    It doesn't matter.
    If someone's LFG says they want their DPS to be a Dire full Turret Holosmith or a Sentinel's Scourge and you are neither of these things then you don't join, even if you are well versed in a different and more effective DPS.
    The End.
    But again, we have the tools to deal with this already.
    Kick. Block if desired and move on.
    Report if they react in a manner that violates the ToS.

    I dont think fractals are so meta to ask for specific class combos and being so elitist. because i've seen pro people soloing most stuff or in duos.

    I am very entitled.

    If your team wins it's because of everyone else. If your team loses, blame the thief.
    ranger is OP but holo is more OP so its fine
    Why do this matter at all, you have people asking you why play so bad as fractal god?

  • Hi everyone thanks for all the feedback. After taking notes the problem seems to come up more in fracs and strikes than raids. I now lock subs and have new people filter through sub 1. I usually play alac and my buddy has a hb so dps lfg is easy. Sometimes I want to try another class and it does get frustrating since we are not in squads for fracs. NA raids is rather small so I only block people that literally troll runs.

  • Besetment.9187Besetment.9187 Member ✭✭
    edited June 21, 2020

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Here is what I do in Strike Missions to deal with this issue:

    • First of, I demand players who join to post their role. If they don't comply, they get kicked.
    • Next, I place players who fit the requirements in subgroup 2 and 3 and leave those who don't in subgroup 1. Some of the latter often ask what is still needed and then relog (you need to give them a chance to do so ;) ). If they don't, I kick them.

    This has proven to be a successful technique. However, I see the difficulty in Fractal groups, since they are not squads. ANet needs to think of something there.

    One time I was kicked from a T4 pug while switching from Weaver to Firebrand. Since supports always take the longest to fill, I managed to rejoin the pug that kicked me, only to arrive in the middle of this big rant about how people don't read the lfg description. So I just said "lol, you kicked me while I was at character select". They calmed down after that but some people are live wires and their head is gone before the game even starts.

    Support players are always the smallest cohort in any game with dps/tanks/healers. Tanks and healers always take longest to fill. Do people just not like playing them? Do they not find the gameplay loop satisfying? Who knows. What I do know is that they are some of the most busted hard carries. Even in games like Overwatch, dps may be the largest cohort of players but it is a game that has historically been dictated by tank/support play.

    I've seen it where I join 2/5 on Weaver or Soulbeast and then the group will fill to 5 dps despite asking for supports. Most days I just end up switching to a support. If I ask "what do you need?", they will tell me HB 95% of the time anyway. If I give them the option of condi/power/heal firebrand, 99% of the time they will ask for the heals. Nevertheless, I don't think the solution is to be inflexible. Everyone should have a pocket support or be in the process of gearing/learning one.

    If enough people can flex roles, your group has so many options. You don't hit brick walls where you got no reflects for Capt Crowe, nobody is capable of providing it and nobody is willing to switch to a class that can. People get angry and they leave because all they have is hammers and everything (even their teammates) look like nails.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Besetment.9187 said:
    Support players are always the smallest cohort in any game with dps/tanks/healers. Tanks and healers always take longest to fill. Do people just not like playing them? Do they not find the gameplay loop satisfying?

    In this game specifically, any form of enthusiasm for playing support gets weaned out of a new player during the initial leveling experience.
    Leveling a character as support ...well I don't want to say it's not viable, but it's pretty close and it isn't very fun. From the length of time it takes to complete hearts to the reduced contribution to event participation, GW2 specifically teaches the player that support is a path to grind and general misery. Some story bosses become lengthy battles of attrition and the entire thing is solved by a system that that practially screams in the player's face "you can respec any time, gear is cheap, just build for damage".
    Tanking and support in MMOS in general appeals to a niche audience in the first place, many at their core don't enjoy the play style in general. Many of those players avoid GW2 due to a reputation of having a soft trinity.
    Only the players that remain after the 1-80 experience see how truly busted things like Scourge and Tempest can be, and that number is even lower than other MMOs which cater to support in their levelling and offer a designated place in all team comps.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭

    @Besetment.9187 said:

    Support players are always the smallest cohort in any game with dps/tanks/healers. Tanks and healers always take longest to fill. Do people just not like playing them? Do they not find the gameplay loop satisfying? Who knows. What I do know is that they are some of the most busted hard carries. Even in games like Overwatch, dps may be the largest cohort of players but it is a game that has historically been dictated by tank/support play.

    Well, for one these classes are normally more pivotal to the success of the group, so if you mess up, the group is more likely to wipe because of you (not very appealing).
    Often times these classes are a lot harder to gear than a dps class. For the most part DPS classes use Berserker or viper, some of the support classes have way harder to obtain gear (especially if you are a newer player not sitting on thousands of magnetite shards).
    It is harder to practice some of the things these rolls do than to practice DPSing.
    A lot of them are pretty boring to play.

    If your team wins it's because of everyone else. If your team loses, blame the thief.
    ranger is OP but holo is more OP so its fine
    Why do this matter at all, you have people asking you why play so bad as fractal god?

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭

    @panzerdragon.8791 said:
    Good day everyone ,

    Over the past few week in our raids and fracs we have encountered alot of players joining the group with no regard to our lfg ad. Examples include t4 + recs LF : Hb. Plenty of the joiners are not communicating when they join to explain the discrepancy between the ad and the class the brought. Had a few people message me back with worthless complaints on their removal from our party. Has anyone else had these issues or have a solution.

    Regards,

    Alac man

    Honestly the LFG tool just doesn't work well in the context of the roles the community has built in responses to evolutions in professions. For example, if I request a single healer in my LFG because I often play heal tempest in strikes, there's nothing stopping my entire group from randomly filling with healers between someone noting they're a healer in chat, and me finally navigating the LFG page back to strikes to edit it. The LFG tool still believes you can clear anything with any group comp, when raids, strikes and fractals no longer fit that and comps critically rely on buffs generated from specific types of party members. The LFG tool needs a huge rework, plain and simple.

    And I don't get the hate on people who think some LFG tools stuff is ridiculous. i get it. I also don't troll people either by joining groups I'm not qualified for. If you don't want to deal with randos, don't play with randos. You're likely to get "special" people every now and then. they might not be trolling, so don't lump everyone you don't like into one group.