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MTC.9536MTC.9536 Member ✭✭
edited June 19, 2020 in PVP

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObeseHilariousUdonMrDestructoid

Edit: After reading all the comments, here a quick statement: the reason I posted this clip here is not the amount of damage, there are other classes that do similar damage. It is the way the damage is being delivered ignoring LOS while having some evades + heal that allow rev to sustain damage better than other glass cannons. Also: some people said I had dodge rolls, this is a clear hindsight bias and I will tell you why I think that:

"I came from respawn and the plan was to push in with the team. I am fully aware revs can jump through walls. The question is: should I just predict spam both my dodge rolls everytime I have them ready even behind walls etc all the time I am in their range even if I am behind walls? The answer could probably be yes, and that's the problem I have with this class. The threat of being jumped through walls and bursted like that shouldn't exist in a game that was built around abusing LOS and having good positioning because this completely defies good positioning!"

And for the people that said playing reaper or necro was the problem. No, it is not, it is currently one of the meta builds played in high tier PVP.

And for the people that said I didn't react fast enough: when you slow down the clip you see this burst took less than two seconds and I got almost immediately stomped in downstate as well which means popping shroud would have made no difference and even if my reaction time for a dodge roll would be 0,5s I would have been finished with the rest of the damage after. Can't even believe I am justifying this as it is clear when you watch the clip. It is not like I could have double dodged and survived.

And for those people saying I didn't have cooldowns: if I had worm up and blinked away, they would have gotten ported with me with their sword #3 they used on me so I don't see why people bring shortsighted arguments like that in the discussion.

And for people saying I made a huge mistake walking up to them: we just lost the teamfight middle which is why I was on cd and we regrouped close. Then we wanted to push middle to take the teamfight together. You even saw me waiting a little bit to make sure the revs are distracted by my team pushing in so I am more safe. I mean, what's the alternative? - Staying afk close until the revs are actually fully engaged in a fight with my team to then sneak up to the point? - Obviously not. The play to move closely to my team but a little bit behind was correct. No cooldowns, dodges or shroud would have saved me and going alone to a different node or afk on close would have been wrong.

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  • MTC.9536MTC.9536 Member ✭✭

    and the issue on top of that is that power revs are not even as squishy as other "burst" classes because of the way their heals are designed and staff evade + sword evade

  • MTC.9536MTC.9536 Member ✭✭

    @MTC.9536 said:

    @Curennos.9307 said:
    You got jumped by two bursty roamer-ish classes, weren't paying attention enough to notice they were around because revs don't have stealth and you should def be keeping track, had all your utilities on cooldown, and didn't even manage to press shroud.

    Work on your map awareness and mashing shroud faster.

    It was through the wall when I came from respawn, so the alternative would have been to stay afk in base, and don't worry about my skill lvl, this is p3/leg ranked games ;)

    Also: when I port away with worm their sword 3 ports them with me and waiting until it ends would also mean I am dead so yeah :disappointed:

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @MTC.9536 said:

    @Curennos.9307 said:
    You got jumped by two bursty roamer-ish classes, weren't paying attention enough to notice they were around because revs don't have stealth and you should def be keeping track, had all your utilities on cooldown, and didn't even manage to press shroud.

    Work on your map awareness and mashing shroud faster.

    It was through the wall when I came from respawn, so the alternative would have been to stay afk in base, and don't worry about my skill lvl, this is p3/leg ranked games ;)

    The alternative wouldve been to wait or take a detour to far tbh. Your teammates were moving into them, they couldnt afford to just sit there and wait for you, at which point you wouldve been able to join up with your teammates. After all, you knew both of their locations. Granted, hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but thats how it goes when you get outnumbered.

  • Curennos.9307Curennos.9307 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Curennos.9307 said:
    You got jumped by two bursty roamer-ish classes, weren't paying attention enough to notice they were around because revs don't have stealth and you should def be keeping track, had all your utilities on cooldown, and didn't even manage to press shroud.

    Work on your map awareness and mashing shroud faster.

    This is blatant bias.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bias hope this helps

  • Arken.3725Arken.3725 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    www.twitch.tv/arkryuken

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

  • Arken.3725Arken.3725 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    www.twitch.tv/arkryuken

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Honestly reaper, necro w/e has insane sustain as it is. Not saying revs dont do a bit to much damage but had u serviced a burst from bot it would be u that would be insanely broken. Although u should last few secs longer than u did so ud atleast have a chance at counter play of course but this is gw2, what do u expect? Pvp is a joke in this game now.

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    I'll take you on that bet, might take me a while to get a vid uploaded though.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Thats a bet you would lose. 10k burst each over 2 seconds. Yeah thats not hard to achieve. Some need quickness, but the ones that do happen to have it. The only one that might get a bit tricky is Ele and Reaper, I dont remember exactly what the burst ele rotation is and how long it takes to cast, and Reaper needs setup.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    I mean, compared to 2 Guardian, 2 Engineers (holo or no) or 2 rangers? Nah, Power Rev aint got what it takes to match their sustain.

  • Arken.3725Arken.3725 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    I'll take you on that bet, might take me a while to get a vid uploaded though.

    It's going to be hilarious watching you try. The amount of setup needed by the burst by what those two rev's produced is nothing like other classes. He literally dropped in less than 3 seconds. The setup necessary for the other classes mentioned is far more difficult. I know you're a smart guy but you also play Rev. You gotta know your profession of choice is head-over-heels above the rest in whatever respected category they want.

    Power Herald: Outside of Holosmith, it's the strongest power spec in the game that has mobility only second to thief with far more sustainability.

    Condi Herald: I can't think of any other spec that has the sheer condition output combined with near 100% up-time on resistance with other boon-spam. Said boon-spam is also applied to power herald without the resistance.

    Renegade: This spec is essentially an upgraded version of symbol-brand or any symbol guardian. The on-point pressure is 2nd to none.

    All of this and I haven't even mentioned the fact that two of the three mentioned specs have access to arguably the best heal in the game(infuse light).

    Enjoy the facts.

    www.twitch.tv/arkryuken

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Infuse light wouldn't be the best heal in the game if it made your entire character enveloped in a gigantic blue glowing bubble imo.

  • Arken.3725Arken.3725 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Infuse light wouldn't be the best heal in the game if it made your entire character enveloped in a gigantic blue glowing bubble imo.

    What? How does that make ANY sense? Also, the idea of not attacking as counter-play against it is also bull. Persistent AoE is a thing, team-fight AoE is a thing. It's VERY hard to counter-play against it.

    www.twitch.tv/arkryuken

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The fact that it basically instantly starts healing you makes counter play incredibly hard unless you predict it. The only times I don't heal a rev off infuse light is if I predict it coming.

    However, condis and stuff are another story, so is random AOE. But I don't feel that it's absurdly overpowered outside of condi rev since shiro heal is utter trash - almost like infuse light is balanced around shiro heal.

    Maybe rev shouldn't have two heals, tbh.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    I'll take you on that bet, might take me a while to get a vid uploaded though.

    It's going to be hilarious watching you try. The amount of setup needed by the burst by what those two rev's produced is nothing like other classes. He literally dropped in less than 3 seconds. The setup necessary for the other classes mentioned is far more difficult. I know you're a smart guy but you also play Rev. You gotta know your profession of choice is head-over-heels above the rest in whatever respected category they want.

    Im not sure whats hilarious about watching someone succeed in a trivially easy "challenge". You do realise "10k damage in 3 seconds" is not particularly impressive, right? Power Mesmer achieves more in half a second. Warrior can easily do it with bullrush or shield bash into quickened hundred blades, berserker can do some other GS shenanigans, burst DH can do it with TP True Shot, Engineer can use grenade barrage, ranger can probably still do it with Maul into Maul or Rapid Fire nonsense, Fresh Air Ele can probably do it with any of their channeled + instant combos, and Reaper can still do Soul Spiral nonsense

    Power Herald: Outside of Holosmith, it's the strongest power spec in the game that has mobility only second to thief with far more sustainability.

    Its strong, but its mobility is actually not particularly noteworthy. In terms of moving around the map its outclassed by Warrior, Ranger, Engineer, Thief and Mesmer, in terms of in-combat mobility its basically par for the course.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    yep, guessed right. los ports. you either can live with them or you can't, cuz anet sure as hell won't fix them.

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    He said power holo is the 2nd best power class for burst, though. Also, holosmiths cant teleport through walls like a thief.

  • Master Ketsu.4569Master Ketsu.4569 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The root cause is basically Quickness. Without it, that particular burst combo those Revs are using can be very easily stopped with a single CC ( Power shiro has no stab and only 2 stunbreaks, both of which carry serious downsides ). But because of quickness, that combo can only be realistically dealt with if you are at least slightly ping-carried ( Or have quickness yourself lmao ). There is nothing wrong inherently with the abilities that come along with that Rev combo. There have been many times in the past where power shiro wasn't meta or was even trash tier and it's actually even weaker now then it was back then. But quickness is just busted, and leads to unfun situations like this.

    It's one of the reasons why I recommended a change to have quickness stack intensity up to 5 times. Each stack would grant "increases attack and action speeds by 10%". This would allow Quickness to be better balanced on a class-by-class basis.

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    I can do basicly the same burst with a deadeye. Alone. If you're trying to make the point that only revenant can deal power damage in this meta, I'm sorry but NO.

  • viquing.8254viquing.8254 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    Lol ?
    It just confirm what I'm thinking when reading your no clue debate on pre partch state that you just want to freekill people on thief calling it skill, in regards to your average post in this forum.
    But wait, we are in a tank meta with every professions unkillable lmao. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Now to add something to the discussion :

    ...Revs are using can be very easily stopped with a single CC...

    In this vid yeah, usually no because of blind application.
    And you can't counter pressure because of weakness application unless you play condi.

  • Arken.3725Arken.3725 Member ✭✭✭

    I said holo is the best power spec class in my description. Also to the one above that stated if I said it was to point out that rev was the only one who could do damage. I never said that, reread what I said it was:

    To the same degree, speed while maintaining the crazy sustain through evades, blocks, mobility and again glint heal. Please don't cherry pick what I said.

    www.twitch.tv/arkryuken

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @viquing.8254 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    Lol ?
    It just confirm what I'm thinking when reading your no clue debate on pre partch state that you just want to freekill people on thief calling it skill, in regards to your average post in this forum.

    Except despite your attempts to deflect from your own lack of knowledge, I dont actually play thief, and havent in months. I play engineer. Besides, pre-patch 2 thieves would only barely have been able to kill the necro alone either, so its not like it gets better.

    But wait, we are in a tank meta with every professions unkillable lmao. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Your memory cant be this bad. Remember what the caveat was? UNLESS THEYRE OUTNUMBERED. Here we have a 1v2. The necro is outnumbered. if youre outnumbered, you get killed. Now imagine it was only one rev, do you think the Necro wouldve died? Spoiler: Nope.

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arken.3725 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    I bet you 100 gold right now that neither of those combinations could do it to the same degree and speed. Any day of the week I'm comfortable with that bet.

    Edit: And that's without me mentioning that Revenant has far more sustain in comparison to any of those combinations as well.

    HAHAHAHA learn to stow weapon on infuse light, then what sustain?

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    The fact that it basically instantly starts healing you makes counter play incredibly hard unless you predict it. The only times I don't heal a rev off infuse light is if I predict it coming.

    There is literally an icon on their head that says 'I'm about to heal'. No other class has to deal with telegraphing their heal that obviously lmfao. So no you don't need a crystal ball to prevent healing infuse light.

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    All I see is someone not able to dodge

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    The fact that it basically instantly starts healing you makes counter play incredibly hard unless you predict it. The only times I don't heal a rev off infuse light is if I predict it coming.

    There is literally an icon on their head that says 'I'm about to heal'. No other class has to deal with telegraphing their heal that obviously lmfao. So no you don't need a crystal ball to prevent healing infuse light.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Conditions

    :lol:

    Condi rev and power rev are too strong at the moment, together with holosmith, and not properly balanced. Though, I admit, it is not because of the sheer burst.

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    The fact that it basically instantly starts healing you makes counter play incredibly hard unless you predict it. The only times I don't heal a rev off infuse light is if I predict it coming.

    There is literally an icon on their head that says 'I'm about to heal'. No other class has to deal with telegraphing their heal that obviously lmfao. So no you don't need a crystal ball to prevent healing infuse light.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Conditions

    :lol:

    Condi rev and power rev are too strong at the moment, together with holosmith, and not properly balanced. Though, I admit, it is not because of the sheer burst.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Facet_of_Light

    Not even necro has to deal with telling the enemy when your heal is ready at all times.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Honest truth?
    Power herald is 100 times more balanced than necro! They do 2-3 mistakes and you negate the Glint heal and 60-70% of heralds are done...meanwhile anybody can faceroll pressing F1-5-4 and do more dmg and survive more than they should

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jekkt.6045 said:
    that's not condi rev. you're not allowed to talk about balance if it's not about condi rev.

    on a more serious note: yes power rev damage is broken and people don't want to hear it. btw nade damage on holo is broken too.

    Do you realize that the class in the video can hit upward of 9k dmg with a single skill?..by comparison the hardest hitting skill on power rev is deathstrike...so much that you can duel a mediocre power herald on a core ele, not that I play revenant or care about anymore about forum drama but shove comes to shove if there is one class right now I want to see nerfed above anything else and with absolutely urgency....it would be necromancer

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • viquing.8254viquing.8254 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @viquing.8254 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    Lol ?
    It just confirm what I'm thinking when reading your no clue debate on pre partch state that you just want to freekill people on thief calling it skill, in regards to your average post in this forum.

    Except despite your attempts to deflect from your own lack of knowledge, I dont actually play thief, and havent in months. I play engineer. Besides, pre-patch 2 thieves would only barely have been able to kill the necro alone either, so its not like it gets better.

    But wait, we are in a tank meta with every professions unkillable lmao. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Your memory cant be this bad. Remember what the caveat was? UNLESS THEYRE OUTNUMBERED. Here we have a 1v2. The necro is outnumbered. if youre outnumbered, you get killed. Now imagine it was only one rev, do you think the Necro wouldve died? Spoiler: Nope.

    And outnumbered situation never happen on a 5v5 capture point map OFC.
    In this particular video and looking at protagonist reaction time, 1 rev should be enough to kill the nec in few sec sadly.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @viquing.8254 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @viquing.8254 said:

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @Arken.3725 said:
    I mean, he ain't wrong. Name another class that can destroy your health in an instant like that? I don't even think two thieves could do it as quickly and to the same degree. Except maybe a stealthed-up holomancer with nades. That's not to say it's anymore fair.

    2 thieves couldnt, but thief is also just the lowest damage class by a pretty wide margin. Otherwise? 2 Guardians, 2 Engineers (doesnt even have to be Holo), 2 Rangers, 2 Warriors, 2 Eles, 2 Mesmers and 2 Reapers absolutely could. So uh, yeah, basically everyone other than thief can.

    Lol ?
    It just confirm what I'm thinking when reading your no clue debate on pre partch state that you just want to freekill people on thief calling it skill, in regards to your average post in this forum.

    Except despite your attempts to deflect from your own lack of knowledge, I dont actually play thief, and havent in months. I play engineer. Besides, pre-patch 2 thieves would only barely have been able to kill the necro alone either, so its not like it gets better.

    But wait, we are in a tank meta with every professions unkillable lmao. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    Your memory cant be this bad. Remember what the caveat was? UNLESS THEYRE OUTNUMBERED. Here we have a 1v2. The necro is outnumbered. if youre outnumbered, you get killed. Now imagine it was only one rev, do you think the Necro wouldve died? Spoiler: Nope.

    And outnumbered situation never happen on a 5v5 capture point map OFC.

    Of course it happens. Thats macro, its part of the game. The problem is when its the only way a player can die.

    In this particular video and looking at protagonist reaction time, 1 rev should be enough to kill the nec in few sec sadly.

    Nah. He wouldve entered shroud with 11k health left and then the revs damage wouldve fallen off now that everything was on cooldown. The 2v1 was mandatory to get a kill there.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    The fact that it basically instantly starts healing you makes counter play incredibly hard unless you predict it. The only times I don't heal a rev off infuse light is if I predict it coming.

    There is literally an icon on their head that says 'I'm about to heal'. No other class has to deal with telegraphing their heal that obviously lmfao. So no you don't need a crystal ball to prevent healing infuse light.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Conditions

    :lol:

    Condi rev and power rev are too strong at the moment, together with holosmith, and not properly balanced. Though, I admit, it is not because of the sheer burst.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Facet_of_Light

    Not even necro has to deal with telling the enemy when your heal is ready at all times.

    I strongly disagree with your assumption of Glint heal being the most telegraphed healing skill, yes.

    Do you mean when facet is up? Like "lol, you better never do damage, because i could literally tun all your damage into healing anytime?" Or do you mean the chaning icon on the buff bar? Or are you talking about those very visible symbols around rev's feet? The great telegraphed 1/4s you need to activate the facet?

    Nothing is even remotely as telegraphed as many many other healing skills. Like necro's 1.25s (!) healing skill, raising it's arm high, blue shiny lights around him...

  • Quadox.7834Quadox.7834 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The damage is not a problem but ports without LOS has always been dumb (and arguably rev quickness as well).

    // Yanim

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    repost deletethis

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    The fact that it basically instantly starts healing you makes counter play incredibly hard unless you predict it. The only times I don't heal a rev off infuse light is if I predict it coming.

    There is literally an icon on their head that says 'I'm about to heal'. No other class has to deal with telegraphing their heal that obviously lmfao. So no you don't need a crystal ball to prevent healing infuse light.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Conditions

    :lol:

    Condi rev and power rev are too strong at the moment, together with holosmith, and not properly balanced. Though, I admit, it is not because of the sheer burst.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Facet_of_Light

    Not even necro has to deal with telling the enemy when your heal is ready at all times.

    I strongly disagree with your assumption of Glint heal being the most telegraphed healing skill, yes.

    Do you mean when facet is up? Like "lol, you better never do damage, because i could literally tun all your damage into healing anytime?" Or do you mean the chaning icon on the buff bar? Or are you talking about those very visible symbols around rev's feet? The great telegraphed 1/4s you need to activate the facet?

    Nothing is even remotely as telegraphed as many many other healing skills. Like necro's 1.25s (!) healing skill, raising it's arm high, blue shiny lights around him...

    Yes I'm talking about the icon on the buff bar. If that's not enough for you, learn to play? Because without you or your teammates pummeling the rev during infuse light it is a <2k heal.

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020

    repostdeletethis