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Its time to go to war. It’s time to see which sever has the best of the best. It’s time for the next WvW tournament!! Most players fought last time and a lot of players missed the last tournament. Hopefully players want to show what they are made of in this tournament. So who is ready to go to WAR!!!!!!

Who else wants a WvW tournament 85 votes

TO WAR!!!
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  • jsp.6912jsp.6912 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    anyone who like wvw want it

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    Without changing the current Match-Up mechanics...

    Tournaments are meaningless & in the long-term only harms the game mode...imho

    Change the current Match-Up mechanics...then host Tournaments...if not...I wouldn't recommend hosting Tournaments.

    How to Host a Healthy & Competitive Tournament :
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1107088/#Comment_1107088

    Poll needs to add a 3rd option - [ X ] Yes, IF Match-Ups encourages a Healthy & Competitive game mode

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  • joneirikb.7506joneirikb.7506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    No point bringing that back until they solve a bunch of other things, like potentially the alliance system, depending on how it turns out.

    Basically there is no point bringing back tournaments to the current server-stack-system, people would just stack whatever they predict woudl be the biggest link, and crush the entire tournament with numbers/coverage.

    It would actually work better if they had a tournament that was somewhat based on personal performance, rather than who can just blob hardest. But no idea how they'd manage that.

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sure, as long as we /diceroll for the winners, it's the only fair way to decide with this system....

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    :3 how do we set it up?

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    I would like it if it was a surprise event and at the moment of announcing it all server transfers would be locked for the duration of the event.

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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2020

    No thx, wvw is simply not a competitive game mode.

    A competitive game must have a fixed number of players for every side at all time. And WvW has the opposite.

    Why do you want a trophy for "my team was most often 50:10 and therefore won"!

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dayra.7405 said:
    No thx, wvw is simply not a competitive game mode.

    A competitive game must have a fixed number of players for every side at all time. And WvW has the opposite.

    Why do you want a trophy for "my team was most often 50:10 and therefore won"!

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

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  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭

    Team chat would be even more toxic than. I would spam 24/7 "don't fight against guild" "don't give them any kills" "make them bored and recap when they leave". B)

    Low quality trolling since launch
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  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    Lets go! I am sure lot of people know how to balance their life by now and won't burn themselves out.

    I mean of course people will take a small break after tournamen but it would still be nice opportunity for us that played the gamemode ONLY for last 5 years to see what tournaments are like.

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  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    NO HONOR

    They need to fix population imbalance first, otherwise some servers would have a good size bonus going for them

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  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2020
    TO WAR!!!

    I'm too lazy to repeat everything again, but I just posted this in a thread two links above this one and it touches alot on tournaments and why we're not getting them: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1274094/#Comment_1274094

    The short comment I can add here is that there are many ways to run tournaments. Tournaments as they were in 2013 and 2014 may not be good for the game mode but that doesn't mean that every possible tournament format has to be bad for WvW and that "nothing" is better. So Arenanet can be both right and wrong in their whatever assessment of the topic at the same time.

    Simply put: I think a properly working ladder is the best and most important thing for server-level content but they could certainly explore tournaments for guild-level content without exhausting themselves, the players or the other content that still exists in the mode. Ladders for servers, events for guilds. They could expand that into tournament-styled events for servers and more ladder investment for guilds but those are secondary things to rather "expand into" that requires more careful exploration. It is likely to be more work for less impactful outcomes (ie., not as effective for the developers) and treading carefully would imply alot of groundwork for small testbeds, such as trying shorter events etc.

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22, 2020

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:
    The short comment I can add here is that there are many ways to run tournaments.

    Of course a guild based tournament with 2-4hour matches on just one map could be a competition.

  • Senqu.8054Senqu.8054 Member ✭✭✭

    Rewards for the winners of the current match up would be enough for me

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @dsons.9563 said:
    Its time to go to war. It’s time to see which sever has the best of the best. It’s time for the next WvW tournament!! Most players fought last time and a lot of players missed the last tournament. Hopefully players want to show what they are made of in this tournament. So who is ready to go to WAR!!!!!!

    Devs said no tournaments.

  • Bristingr.5034Bristingr.5034 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 23, 2020
    TO WAR!!!

    A Tournament doesn't have to last continuously for weeks. It's quite logical to set up a tournament in the following style:

    • Duration of each round: 19:00 PDT Friday (Reset) to 19:00 PDT Sunday/Monday (48-72 hours long)
      Keeping it to the weekend ensures maximum player interest, (which will ensure all maps are queued), while keeping the time-frame short to avoid drastic burnout.

    • Tournament Format: Point System/Round-Robin
      With the +1/-1 Tier system, it would be difficult to do a bracket-style tournament, so it may have to relegate to either a Round Robin (with the help of Anet purposely setting up the matches on the back end), or use a point style tournament.

    • Frequency: Every weekend/other weekend
      Again, to avoid burn out while keeping interest in the burst high.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    We need a new tournament that builds on the old one.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    NO HONOR

    we already have it each day. Losers use wp after death.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    Some of us follow what the devs post.

    My first quote was from McKenna from years ago. The second quote was from Raymond 2 years ago in an alliance update thread...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    Now you know the why. So good luck getting tournaments in 5 years after alliances ship, all the issues are worked out, and there are only a few hundred players left over in GW2 wvw after the game is in maintenance mode.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    Some of us follow what the devs post.

    My first quote was from McKenna from years ago. The second quote was from Raymond 2 years ago in an alliance update thread...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    Right you quoting stuff from years ago like anet has never wavered or changed their mind like the no expansion and oh cantha. And you re quote a quote I already saw. None of this is "no" "never". It's unlikely but who knows. You are caught up trying to be right when you can't be right cause we don't know if thyey could change their mind like many times before. I guess your clinging to a big if as that's definitive idk. Keep fighting tho I like your spirit. There's being wrong and trying to win anyway I guess just for arguments sake. The thread is would you like to see tournaments and sure I would participate but I'm not going to be upset if they never happen. So vote NO and move on would be great.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    Some of us follow what the devs post.

    My first quote was from McKenna from years ago. The second quote was from Raymond 2 years ago in an alliance update thread...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    Right you quoting stuff from years ago like anet has never wavered or changed their mind like the no expansion and oh cantha. And you re quote a quote I already saw. None of this is "no" "never". It's unlikely but who knows. You are caught up trying to be right when you can't be right cause we don't know if thyey could change their mind like many times before. I guess your clinging to a big if as that's definitive idk. Keep fighting tho I like your spirit. There's being wrong and trying to win anyway I guess just for arguments sake. The thread is would you like to see tournaments and sure I would participate but I'm not going to be upset if they never happen. So vote NO and move on would be great.

    You weren't sure why I mentioned alliances so I clarified for you.

    There were permanent population losses from the last tournaments. The devs do not want that. Matches are still unbalanced so if you run a tournament the forums will explode with complaints about unbalanced matches, bandwagoning, and there will be a ton of Anet bashing for running a tournament under those conditions... So you can hope all you want, but the reality is that it's not gonna happen unless major issues are resolved first. And there are still big ifs even if things did change. And those changes and fixes probably won't happen for years, if they even happen at all...

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    Some of us follow what the devs post.

    My first quote was from McKenna from years ago. The second quote was from Raymond 2 years ago in an alliance update thread...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    Right you quoting stuff from years ago like anet has never wavered or changed their mind like the no expansion and oh cantha. And you re quote a quote I already saw. None of this is "no" "never". It's unlikely but who knows. You are caught up trying to be right when you can't be right cause we don't know if thyey could change their mind like many times before. I guess your clinging to a big if as that's definitive idk. Keep fighting tho I like your spirit. There's being wrong and trying to win anyway I guess just for arguments sake. The thread is would you like to see tournaments and sure I would participate but I'm not going to be upset if they never happen. So vote NO and move on would be great.

    You weren't sure why I mentioned alliances so I clarified for you.

    There were permanent population losses from the last tournaments. The devs do not want that. Matches are still unbalanced so if you run a tournament the forums will explode with complaints about unbalanced matched, bandwagoning, and there will be a ton Anet bashing for running a tournament under those conditions... So you can hope all you want, but the reality is that it's not gonna happen unless major issues are resolved first. And there are still big ifs even if things did change.

    Oh back to the hope all I want. I guess you missed the 4 times I didn't say that. The votes seem to favor we want them but yes you can see the future. Permanent losses and now tons of servers full again and que's on many maps. You will just jump anywhere to try and win something you can't prove. They don't have to use the same format and could limit transfers but now you can speak for the devs. Are you friends with them? Do you got inside info. Again the thread is would you like a tournament not Do you ever think there will be tournaments again. And I think it's unlikely but hey keep arguing.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    Some of us follow what the devs post.

    My first quote was from McKenna from years ago. The second quote was from Raymond 2 years ago in an alliance update thread...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    Right you quoting stuff from years ago like anet has never wavered or changed their mind like the no expansion and oh cantha. And you re quote a quote I already saw. None of this is "no" "never". It's unlikely but who knows. You are caught up trying to be right when you can't be right cause we don't know if thyey could change their mind like many times before. I guess your clinging to a big if as that's definitive idk. Keep fighting tho I like your spirit. There's being wrong and trying to win anyway I guess just for arguments sake. The thread is would you like to see tournaments and sure I would participate but I'm not going to be upset if they never happen. So vote NO and move on would be great.

    You weren't sure why I mentioned alliances so I clarified for you.

    There were permanent population losses from the last tournaments. The devs do not want that. Matches are still unbalanced so if you run a tournament the forums will explode with complaints about unbalanced matched, bandwagoning, and there will be a ton Anet bashing for running a tournament under those conditions... So you can hope all you want, but the reality is that it's not gonna happen unless major issues are resolved first. And there are still big ifs even if things did change.

    Oh back to the hope all I want. I guess you missed the 4 times I didn't say that. The votes seem to favor we want them but yes you can see the future. Permanent losses and now tons of servers full again and que's on many maps. You will just jump anywhere to try and win something you can't prove. They don't have to use the same format and could limit transfers but now you can speak for the devs. Are you friends with them? Do you got inside info. Again the thread is would you like a tournament not Do you ever think there will be tournaments again. And I think it's unlikely but hey keep arguing.

    I'm just stating the facts. We have had these threads pop up for years and the devs don't want it for valid reasons, and most in the community understand why we don't have tournaments.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    I don't really see why you need to link quotes and they say "currently" w/e these quotes were from in the past isn't "currently" or covers all future dates and means nothing could change their minds. The thread is just would players want tournaments and I get you tried to stop the thread once before you quoted but what they said could change if enough players wanted them. I doubt we will ever see tournaments again but who knows

    I’m just the messenger.

    I don’t think you should focus on the word “currently”. I think you should focus on the words that indicate the devs are saying no to tournaments.

    Have a great one!

    A messenger who misinterprets the words of a message. "We don't currently have plans for an expansion was also said before"

    I’m not misinterpreting anything. Devs don’t want to run tournaments for valid reasons. There are tons of conditions to be met first before it’s even a consideration. And since alliances are nowhere in sight, you’re probably never getting a tournament no matter how much you wish it to happen.

    Well I said we probably never will but you say the devs said "no". Then to prove your point you quoted the devs saying no plans at this time not "no"so that's misinterpreting. Now you double down on it and say I wish which I'd be cool w or w/o. No idea why alliances are involved now but ok. It's ok to be wrong and misunderstand. Just learn from it and not keep going in the future.
    Have a great one

    Some of us follow what the devs post.

    My first quote was from McKenna from years ago. The second quote was from Raymond 2 years ago in an alliance update thread...

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/45856/world-restructuring-update-1

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”

    Right you quoting stuff from years ago like anet has never wavered or changed their mind like the no expansion and oh cantha. And you re quote a quote I already saw. None of this is "no" "never". It's unlikely but who knows. You are caught up trying to be right when you can't be right cause we don't know if thyey could change their mind like many times before. I guess your clinging to a big if as that's definitive idk. Keep fighting tho I like your spirit. There's being wrong and trying to win anyway I guess just for arguments sake. The thread is would you like to see tournaments and sure I would participate but I'm not going to be upset if they never happen. So vote NO and move on would be great.

    You weren't sure why I mentioned alliances so I clarified for you.

    There were permanent population losses from the last tournaments. The devs do not want that. Matches are still unbalanced so if you run a tournament the forums will explode with complaints about unbalanced matched, bandwagoning, and there will be a ton Anet bashing for running a tournament under those conditions... So you can hope all you want, but the reality is that it's not gonna happen unless major issues are resolved first. And there are still big ifs even if things did change.

    Oh back to the hope all I want. I guess you missed the 4 times I didn't say that. The votes seem to favor we want them but yes you can see the future. Permanent losses and now tons of servers full again and que's on many maps. You will just jump anywhere to try and win something you can't prove. They don't have to use the same format and could limit transfers but now you can speak for the devs. Are you friends with them? Do you got inside info. Again the thread is would you like a tournament not Do you ever think there will be tournaments again. And I think it's unlikely but hey keep arguing.

    I'm just stating the facts. We have had these threads pop up for years and the devs don't want it for valid reasons, and most in the community understand why we don't have tournaments.

    There were no facts you posted. You say they said no they didn't that's the fact. I haven't seen asking for tournaments too often. The devs still didn't say they don't want them otherwise I wouldn't be still conversing with you or you linked the wrong quotes. Ty for speaking for most in the community somehow even tho the votes favor lets go to war but again I admire your stubbornness. Go down swinging right or wrong.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    "There were no facts you posted. You say they said no they didn't that's the fact."


    "Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”"

    Both quotes mean no. Those are the facts.

    I've followed these forums since the beginning and there have been tons of threads and comments like these. You can wish all you want, but not gonna happen.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    "There were no facts you posted. You say they said no they didn't that's the fact."


    "Here are the 2 Dev quotes on tournaments.

    “Q. Will there be another WvW Tournament?
    A:The old tournament format encouraged extensive play that resulted in a lot of burnout across the player base and a permanent drop off in WvW players. This had a negative impact on the format, and in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    AND

    “Rewards/Tournaments/Leaderboards
    If—and that is a big if—we do add/change rewards to be tied more directly to World success in matches, those changes would come later. The plan is to ship the core system and get all the kinks worked out and the teams balanced before we start trying to find new ways to give rewards or do tournaments or anything of that kind.”"

    Both quotes mean no. Those are the facts.

    I've followed these forums since the beginning and there have been tons of threads like these. You can wish all you want, but not gonna happen.

    Lol the same 2 quotes that don't say no. No plan currently and a big if are not no. Again I will agree unlikely but I would love to see it as would others but I don't care nor expect it. I good with you as you just going to use the same quotes and we won't get anywhere. I had faith you wouldn't resort to circle arguements but we right back at the beginning so goodnight. Turning computer off. Sorry you can't see that you are wrong and again this thread was solely if you would like them not if they would ever happen

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The devs said no tournaments. Their words imply a big no to tournaments. There haven't been any tournaments for 6 years now because all the same issue with the game are present and players permanently left wvw over it.

  • More of my friends left after HOT than the tourneys. Lock the servers. We don't need another Gold plus size zerg running around in Silver again.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    The votes seem to favor we want them but yes you can see the future.

    Your biased poll netted a slightly positive result with 59 respondents.

    Sit down

    Not my poll. And? Oh so 60 votes does show more would like it. Why don't you sit down. I mean WvW to you is standing on smc wall with your bow and 3 other guys with bows so not like that would win any tournaments.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    The devs said no tournaments. Their words imply a big no to tournaments. There haven't been any tournaments for 6 years now because all the same issue with the game are present and players permanently left wvw over it.

    Still not the point of this person's poll. Would you like a tournament type thing or not. Simple. Do you have any quote's saying "no" "never again" from devs. If so please share them. So far it's just you misinterpreting and derailing this guys thread. You can't say devs say no and then their words imply no. That's 2 different thing.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭
    NO HONOR

    Anyone who remembers the last tournament knows that it caused much more harm than good. No. Tournament in wvw should never be a thing

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jilora.9524

    “in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    That’s still the official stance. Y’all need to get over asking for tournaments.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    @Jilora.9524

    “in order to keep WvW healthy, we currently do not have plans to bring back WvW tournaments.”

    That’s still the official stance. Y’all need to get over asking for tournaments.

    Ya that's from years ago. Today is not "currently" and I don't get why you keep quoting something that proves you wrong. But I weally weally want a tournament. Oh wait I didn't say that either. Are you one of those gotta get the last word types? If so just type something I wouldn't have to respond to. Anything really just to end this

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 All the same major issues that existed years ago are still present today, and that’s why the devs aren’t going to run tournaments. Their words, and the reasons why, are clear.

    And you do want tournaments, or am I just imagining that you voted “to war”?

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    @Swagger.1459 said:
    @Jilora.9524 All the same major issues that existed years ago are still present today, and that’s why the devs aren’t going to run tournaments. Their words, and the reasons why, are clear.

    And you do want tournaments, or am I just imagining that you voted “to war”?

    I voted to war. You have yet to vote. But I also mentioned 4 times I'm ok either way. I will participate if they bring them back or just play normal wvw just fine. It's just a poll. You vote say something why you feel that way and yay your done. But for some reason you don't vote and try and squash these guys who might want a tournament more then me by miss information from years ago saying at that time there are no plans for more tournaments. Now I don't know why you did that. Vote or not but joining the thread w/o voting and just saying the same things over and over makes no sense but I'm intrigued so we continue

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Swagger.1459Swagger.1459 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 I just brought in the dev facts because some of you weren’t aware the devs said no to tournaments. You even asked why I quoted the devs and what relevance alliances had so I was being helpful to you.

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    I voted to war. You have yet to vote.

    I don't agree with both options.

    • fortunately it's not war, but a game
    • honor is an invention of the powerful to force the less powerful to do what they want, I don't like that

    But as said above I don't see a sense in a tournament, only harm.

  • enkidu.5937enkidu.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    the perfect moment for a tournament, lets see who is better, the "winning is pointless, no rewards, just numbers"-faction or the "winning is more fun, fun is the reward, and because we have more fun we have more numbers and win"-faction :p

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    I would want full tournaments or seasons, but not under these current mechanics and conditions, it simply isn't a fair shot for most servers, and players cannot be left to keep it fair on their own.

    The only thing I see they could use was a 24 hour tournament starting from reset, at the end of 24 hours(in which all time zones would have had a chance to participate), you award seasonal points and run this every week for 6 weeks between the relinks. You do it this way so players don't get burned out by entire weeks of stressful play, the 2 hour skirmish also puts a big limitation to the points you earn anyways (you just need enough warscore to win the 2hr block, not rack up points to carry you through the week like the old way), skirmish is something that wasn't present in the old tournaments. (The bad thing about this now is the terrible lag wvw gets these days on reset and full maps).

    But again you would still have mass amounts of players bandwagoning to get the most rewards out of it, unless you fully lock down transfers, which of course won't happen. Or unless you setup specific open transfer window like a week or two before relinks, or a penalty of transferring any other time gets you no season rewards until next relink basically a more harsh version of the loyalty pip or the one week no skirmish reward.

    ^ Another derailing post - Anet
    Perma stealth is needed to outrun zergs. - Thieves
    A skill overpowered? just nerf their dodge, balanced. - Anet
    No expansion money as long as Mesmers are broken. - Me

  • Faenar.8036Faenar.8036 Member ✭✭✭
    TO WAR!!!

    Yes, I would like to again participate in another WvW tournament (I greatly enjoyed participating in the previous ones), but preferably after alliance system will be implemented to WvW, to somewhat ballance the greatly disproportional server populations.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    not with the current populations