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wux.7314wux.7314 Member ✭✭
edited June 24, 2020 in PVP

Why is the GW2 PVP community so toxic? It's probably the worst gaming community I have ever experienced. I am a returning player (played on game release until just after HoT) have been forced to disable my chat and keep it on perma combat log when queuing. It was never this toxic before, it's crazy how bad the community is now! Today someone asked everyone their rank before the game purely so he could later tell the team how bad they were and how great he was because his rank was so high (he claimed to be rank 2600) and said that people with low PVP rank should never queue ranked. Yesterday someone told the team to kill themselves and someone else told them to uninstall the game purely because they were losing.

The thing is, these players often aren't even good players (not that that would excuse such behavior anyway) they are just deluded. My hypothesis is that their IRL is so terrible that the only sense of value they have is their GW2 character, and losing a game feels like an attack on the only thing they have going for them in life. Regardless, imagine how a new player would feel entering this environment? Even as a returning player it is not something I want to view when playing a few games for fun.

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  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    many games and gamemodes would be more fun without chat.
    PvP in guild wars 2 is one of them

    I mean how many times do you actually say "thank god for having a pvp chat" instead if seeing any insult, troll or something else in this direction

  • memausz.7264memausz.7264 Member ✭✭✭

    I think the main thing is that so many people aren't willing to report their friends and guild mates when they see nonsense like that. Or they aren't willing to just block some people. I blocked someone in game cause they were toxic to me when they asked me for a duo and then DMed me on discord months later saying I'm 'childish' cause I don't want to forgive them and try to move on from the past. The thing is... If you're not going to try to learn how to not be toxic, I'm not interested. Then three other duos the past two months got upset games weren't going their way and blocked me (one after only one game LUL) as if that is going to make them win more in the future.

  • WolfOwl.3968WolfOwl.3968 Member ✭✭

    Troll post
    Toxicity exists in any competitive game, report, block and move on.

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭

    If you dont play pvp in order to encounter toxicity, then idk why you do so.
    Its the last piece of fun that left in this game B)

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons
    25.02.2020 edit - Nevermind, now I spam only 29 skill-buttons

  • wux.7314wux.7314 Member ✭✭

    Just to respond to a few comments above. I wouldn't mind if the toxic behavior was now and again, most video games are like that, but it is literally almost EVERY GW2 PVP game where the team loses. I am not offended by it, I have thick skin. My objection is that it is just anoying and to be honest, it makes me embarrassed to be associated with such people. It's like watching a kid throw their toys out the pram and have a tantrum. At the end of the day, its just a game and if you solo queue, you're going to lose because its RNG which team mates you get. Don't get me wrong, some great guys play PVP too, really nice dudes.

    Also I just wanted to give a salute to the people who get where I am coming from. The toxicity is damaging to the game and that is my main concern. Pvp will be dead eventually without new players and honestly why would they join? I was teamed with some engi player in games yesterday, he was really bad but clearly new. He was called a bot and all sorts of insults just because he was new. Why should he be insulted and bullied for being a noob? We were all noobs once too. Compare this to WvW where we have community led training days to HELP our new players...

  • XenoSpyro.1780XenoSpyro.1780 Member ✭✭✭

    @Chaarliee.2307 said:
    and only reciving toxic responses

    I mean I guess everything is toxic if that's what you've decided. But go off.

  • skillze.7689skillze.7689 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    @hotte in space.2158 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    If you dont play pvp in order to encounter toxicity, then idk why you do so.
    Its the last piece of fun that left in this game B)

    Toxicity doesnt make me laugh. I have a different idea of having fun.
    Wouldnt it be more fun if people treated each other respectful ? Making real good jokes and laughing together about really funny things ?
    Some people are spreading good mood and some are spreading hate.
    In terms of insulting I am not talking about words like noob or "you are bad" or other harmless stuff, I am talking here about players using insults
    on the lowest most primitive level.
    I play guild wars for seven years and the first five years I didnt report anybody. But two years ago I came to a point where I had enough.
    I report all hard insulting players. Its the last piece of defending my good mood left in this game B)

    if you play like an ape why would someone treat you like a human ?, btw i not saying its the correct attitude but its a fair point

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    I have played more of 1000 arenas, and I have never read something useful in the team chat.

    You have done the best decision.

  • @skillze.7689 said:
    if you play like an ape why would someone treat you like a human ?, btw i not saying its the correct attitude but its a fair point

    ^this statement is so stupid that it hurts !
    Compared to Rank 55 Dragons the whole PvP community could be considered to be bad players then and not worth to be treated like humans.
    Great, so lets all bash each other then^^

  • Kickpuncher.8109Kickpuncher.8109 Member ✭✭✭

    Why is the PVP community so toxic? Because GW2 PVP is dead and they lack self-esteem. Asking for help or someone's build usually results in insults. This PVP community is a joke, it is a reflection of how little ANET respect GW2 and the PVP community in general.

    I mean if the makers of the game don't respect PVP or the PVP Community how can you expect the Community to respect PVP and the Community.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭

    Wonder when was the last time OP used LFG to pug for raids/ FOTM =)

  • skillze.7689skillze.7689 Member ✭✭✭

    @hotte in space.2158 said:

    @skillze.7689 said:
    if you play like an ape why would someone treat you like a human ?, btw i not saying its the correct attitude but its a fair point

    ^this statement is so stupid that it hurts !
    Compared to Rank 55 Dragons the whole PvP community could be considered to be bad players then and not worth to be treated like humans.

    ^ brown nose much ?
    I was making the point as to why people might feel this way, you play a competitive game mode for what reason? Most people play it for competition to win and achieve something seems like you and alot of others dont give a flying Fook about competitive gaming and would prefer to play and throw a match just because you want it to be fun and they want it to be competitive.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Stay strong brother . We all been there

  • Dahkeus.8243Dahkeus.8243 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2020

    I'd PvP so much more if it weren't for the people you actually encounter. I love the gameplay of PvPing along with the challenge, but even the more "tame" players who rage and throw a fit are plenty toxic since the more I have to deal with them the less I want to stay logged in to the game.

    There's just an incredible abundance of players who can't handle their own emotions and end up spilling their baggage onto everyone else in the form of blaming, raging, and other such stuff.

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah guys, just stop being mean!

  • Serenity.6304Serenity.6304 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2020

    It is normal to be insulted, you need to be thick-skinned in competitive game-modes. You can't change these people, they are gonna stay that way. I play few different games and it is completely normal that people rage. They can't handle their emotions so they need to find someone who serves as an outlet. The last couple days were crazy in this regard, hard insults every game, unfortunately not creative (I collect them so always happy for something special)
    If I won like 1 vs 1s or just plussed, the insults come from the enemy ("uninstall game, hacker, ur build carries u.."), if lost, usually from one player of my team.
    But after they said I should kms and other classic insults they instantly block me so I can't respond. And THAT'S the thing that's annoying. But shows you how sensitive these people are. They can't deal with a loss and they can't even deal with responses to their flaming. Imagine :D So don't take it too seriously man.

    ~ Miyu Chan / twitch miyu_chan_serenity

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    For toxic players you can either disable the chat, troll them to bait them even more or ignore it. I know that ignoring it can be hard - with chat still disabled. So I understand that it isn't the game that "hard forces" you to disable the chat but that you still might feel forced. Especially if the match still feels like it could be won.

    For already lost matches with a toxic player in chat that gets others to chat as well (less playing = more chatting ... and the chances of still winning are already lower) I actually enjoy to to bad stuff on purpose to make them aggressive even more. Then reporting. Well ... nobody cares about reports but at least it is possible to get some fun out of the situaton.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25, 2020

    People: Just ignore toxicity and grow a thicker skin lol!
    Toxic people: put on mask and bring toxicity to the streets
    People: surprised Pikachu meme

    Yes, you can also insert "hate speech graffiti", "drunk violence" and many other things. Internet toxicity shows, maybe even enforces this behaviour, people might start online, but just some few might also bring it into real life.

    Stand up against toxicity and generally bad behaviour. Don't blame them, but be a good example. I know, this isn't exactly rewarded by Anet - neither is toxicity punished -, but you can still try your best. And some few times some people might just thank you for being helpful and optimistic. :smile:

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:
    People: Just ignore toxicity and grow a thicker skin lol!
    Toxic people: put on mask and bring toxicity to the streets
    People: surprised Pikachu meme

    Yes, you can also insert "hate speech graffiti", "drunk violence" and many other things. Internet toxicity shows, maybe even enforces this behaviour, people might start online, but just some few might also bring it into real life.

    Stand up against toxicity and generally bad behaviour. Don't blame them, but be a good example. I know, this isn't exactly rewarded by Anet - neither is toxicity punished -, but you can still try your best. And some few times some people might just thank you for being helpful and optimistic. :smile:

    I do not really believe in the "grow a thick skin" mentality either, tbh.

    People can, of course, leave toxic remarks disregarded, but toxic behaviour still should not be encouraged or accepted in the slightest. These people are acting wrong, whether their behaviour personally hurts others or not is irrelevant. It is not the way to treat other people.

  • JTGuevara.9018JTGuevara.9018 Member ✭✭✭

    I love how most of these responses are telling OP to "suck it up", while YOU are all the ones that are offended that the OP has the audacity to block the chat, as if you people wouldn't do the same.

    I just get so SICK AND TIRED of this community and online "gamers" as a whole every kitten day.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    I love how most of these responses are telling OP to "suck it up", while YOU are all the ones that are offended that the OP has the audacity to block the chat, as if you people wouldn't do the same.

    I just get so SICK AND TIRED of this community and online "gamers" as a whole every kitten day.

    ? nobody forces him to do jack, hes the one going onto the forums to complain about it and expects people to feel pity for him.
    grow a spine, someone flames you ? mb he has a reason, and if he doesnt just mute him and move on, cant believe people get upset over such trivial things.

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My recommendation for OP is to report any chat that crosses the line. Of course, Anet will ultimately decided whether or not that is truly crossing a line or what the punishment should be if it does.

    Telling someone to kill themselves is considered verbal abuse and will get them banned for a period of time, at least based on anecdotes I’ve heard about such players. Use of racial slurs will also get them banned. The thing is, the worst people toxicity wise will tend to also be the ones who employ the most offensive language.

    To those talking about sucking it up: Yes, in PvP you need to be prepared to face some degree of toxic behavior. But, like any sort of offensive behavior, there is a point where Community Standards (tm) are violated and the person is no longer merely being annoying to one player but is damaging the community. Slurs, suggestions of suicide and the like are violations of those standards as set by Anet.

    Think about it this way. Someone goes to play a game of baseball at a community park and another player there starts throwing racial slurs at them. That person should get kicked out right? This isn’t shocking. We expect sportsmanship and want to welcome all players. A little taunting might go with the competitive nature of the game (or might even be frowned on), but abuse is never tolerated.

    Why some gamers seem to think common social rules shouldn’t apply because it’s “on the internet” is beyond me.

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  • Svez Poizon XD.5268Svez Poizon XD.5268 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    It is pointless to talk about toxicity. Whole point of PvP is to KILL another guy. So word KILL is already violent and has very offensive meaning. It is natural even in rl that people go toxic if they are getting in conflict. Pvp is very violent mode and should stay like that, those who like killing other players should also accept words back. If you can't handle offensivness then don't play PvP nor use chat. You can't remove offensive things from pvp, it is how it is in every pvp game and that can't change(not even by force).

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    @Svez Poizon XD.5268 said:
    It is pointless to talk about toxicity. Whole point of PvP is to KILL another guy. So word KILL is already violent and has very offensive meaning. It is natural even in rl that people go toxic if they are getting in conflict. Pvp is very violent mode and should stay like that, those who like killing other players should also accept words back. If you can't handle offensivness then don't play PvP nor use chat. You can't remove offensive things from pvp, it is how it is in every pvp game and that can't change(not even by force).

    Yes, and mass shootings clearly result from this violence!

    -snip-

    €: Talking about toxicity, snipping myself. I do not agree with your words at all and do not think you thought them through properly, but I shouldn't jump to conclusions all too quickly.

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svez Poizon XD.5268 said:
    It is pointless to talk about toxicity. Whole point of PvP is to KILL another guy. So word KILL is already violent and has very offensive meaning. It is natural even in rl that people go toxic if they are getting in conflict. Pvp is very violent mode and should stay like that, those who like killing other players should also accept words back. If you can't handle offensivness then don't play PvP nor use chat. You can't remove offensive things from pvp, it is how it is in every pvp game and that can't change(not even by force).

    I dunno about you, but I do not PVP to kill other players, I PVP because it is fun to battle against real players, not an AI. I do not associate violence or aggression with GW2 PVP.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    And people wonder why more and more humans spawn with unacceptable behaviors. We legit have a dumb as rocks generation that believe people aren't crazy enough to find the people that make them angry and harm them. Which, btw, there have been SEVERAL cases of incidents like that.

    The internet won't save you from people finding you, you weirdos. Act like you were raised properly and treat people with some semblance of respect even if it is a 'competitive' setting.

  • Buran.3796Buran.3796 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Matchmaking and the ultra-low population in PvP is making wonders putting together in the same match players from 3 hard tiers away. Being said that, I think that the chat should be disabled in PvP and the matches should have a button to "give up", since in the first 3 minutes is easy to see if a match will be a onesided rolfstomp.