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Kicked from a Strike Mission, Commander won't give a reason.

Today I was doing a Forging Steel strike mission. I wanted to go for a faster run so I joined a group titled: ''Forging Steel Speedrun''. I joined as a superspeed scrapper so I can keep the tank speed up, making the mission much faster to complete. However halfwaytrough the mission me and another player get kicked for no apparent reason, as the kick occured I whispered the kicker to get any answer as to why, they didn't reply back. Then I rejoined the group several times trough lfg, even swapped to a dps holosmith build figuring they didn't want me superspeeding for whatever reason. As the Commander/Kicker didn't state any reason as to why i got kicked it's next to impossible for me to figure it out. After a while of joining & rejoining Commy seemed to be content with the situation. However as a final insult right after we finish the last boss fight commander kicks me out of the group making it impossible for me to get the end chests. Pretty dirty move if you ask me.

Can I do anything to hold these players responsible?
How do I avoid groups like these in the future, seems like russian roulette if you ask me.

PS: Im an experienced Strike player. I have played Strike mission from the day 1 and this is the first time I come across to something like this.

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  • Azertah.5804Azertah.5804 Member ✭✭

    @WolfOwl.3968 said:
    Why keep rejoining the same group?

    I was upset and confused, also I didn't want to see my work towards the mission go to waste.
    Joining another group would mean starting from the start.

  • Painbow.6059Painbow.6059 Member ✭✭

    It's no secret that some people are just unreasonably malicious. There isn't a lot you can do in terms of accountability if they don't violate any in-game rules or regulations. My suggestion would be to form your own group(s), that way you can avoid this happening again.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭

    Can you do anything to hold them responsible? Kitten no. It's a game, and the commander's actions didn't violate any game policies. Your mistake was to keep rejoining the same group....Why would anyone do that, is beyond me.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Azertah.5804 said:
    Can I do anything to hold these players responsible?

    Unfortunately, no.

    How do I avoid groups like these in the future, seems like russian roulette if you ask me.

    1. Stop rejoining groups with d-bags in them.
    2. Never happened to me with Forging Steel groups, so I believe this was a truly bad exception.
  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Azertah.5804 said:
    As the Commander/Kicker didn't state any reason as to why i got kicked it's next to impossible for me to figure it out. After a while of joining & rejoining Commy seemed to be content with the situation. However as a final insult right after we finish the last boss fight commander kicks me out of the group making it impossible for me to get the end chests. Pretty dirty move if you ask me.

    The fact you repeatedly joined after being kicked is a giant red flag and leads me to believe you aren't telling the whole story here.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Azertah.5804Azertah.5804 Member ✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Azertah.5804 said:
    As the Commander/Kicker didn't state any reason as to why i got kicked it's next to impossible for me to figure it out. After a while of joining & rejoining Commy seemed to be content with the situation. However as a final insult right after we finish the last boss fight commander kicks me out of the group making it impossible for me to get the end chests. Pretty dirty move if you ask me.

    The fact you repeatedly joined after being kicked is a giant red flag and leads me to believe you aren't telling the whole story here.

    I've stated what happened, as it happened. Had I wanted to manipulate the facts I could've just left the fact of repeated joining out of the post. To explain why I acted the way I did, let me ask you how much you value your time? Do you care if people waste your time or not? Can you let your work/effort go down the drain when presented with a way to recover it?

    I know it's not fair/reasonable to keep joining the same group, but the kick wasn't reasonable either. Two wrongs dont make a right, but I had an opportunity to salvage my time and partly succeeded in it. Commander/kicker could've just given me a reply explaining something I did wrong and I could've accepted that, but no. Commander being unable to give me valid response makes me feel like it's very likely the kick was only based on malice. Other player being kicked also whispered me explaining that they too weren't given any reason as to why, and as such urged me to report the person. However as I wasn't certain on the reporting it prompted me to post the thread to see if I could do anything about the situation or not.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    @Azertah.5804 said:
    To explain why I acted the way I did, let me ask you how much you value your time? Do you care if people waste your time or not?

    Tip: When you value your time, you are better off staying clear of such groups and look for a new one (or create your own) as it would take less effort and time (plus save you nerves) than repeatedly trying to get back into a group that clearly has toxic/anti-social people in it who are completely wasting the time you invested when they kick you before you can grab your final rewards and receive credit for the 25 (?) minutes you invested into the mission.

  • Ogwom.7940Ogwom.7940 Member ✭✭

    Okay guys, he understands that he could have just not continued playing with the group. But the point is there is no way of punishing these malicious as heck people who do this stuff. I met quite a few in my years of playing and it is just a mood killer.
    I feel like a lot of people are just diminishing this issue. For some people it is quite hurtful at the moment it does happen.

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ogwom.7940 said:
    Okay guys, he understands that he could have just not continued playing with the group. But the point is there is no way of punishing these malicious as heck people who do this stuff. I met quite a few in my years of playing and it is just a mood killer.
    I feel like a lot of people are just diminishing this issue. For some people it is quite hurtful at the moment it does happen.

    How would you punish it, though? There are already solutions to this problem - block list and forming your own groups.

  • Ogwom.7940Ogwom.7940 Member ✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 Now it seems you are shifting the blame on the victim.
    If someone was just robbed, would you say, "Well you were walking by yourself out at night, and you only weigh 100 pounds... so you have to understand the robber couldn't help themselves and that they had a long work day."?

    The issue isn't about the commander getting bullied, it is about OP.
    You have to understand, just because you haven't experienced a person kicking another for no reason other than they are toxic and get enjoyment out of it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I mean this is Steel Strike... super easy, yet long and doesn't require raid build rotations.
    The kick is totally unwarranted unless OP was verbally assaulting the commander.

    @Cerioth.7062 I don't know how we would punish it. And yes, we already know we can block and form your own group, but that is still ignoring the issue.
    I mean it's not like we run in to these people all the time, but there are a few bad apples. It just sucks that someone goes unpunished for kitten behavior and that the only solution is to block and move on.

    I feel like quite a few people here don't even want to give OP the benefit of the doubt.
    It's like almost as if they are conditioned to think every time someone posts a complaint of being bullied, it is automatically their fault. Of course it is a case by case situation, though it's like not many people want to give that chance.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ogwom.7940 said:
    @Cyninja.2954 Now it seems you are shifting the blame on the victim.
    If someone was just robbed, would you say, "Well you were walking by yourself out at night, and you only weigh 100 pounds... so you have to understand the robber couldn't help themselves and that they had a long work day."?

    The issue isn't about the commander getting bullied, it is about OP.
    You have to understand, just because you haven't experienced a person kicking another for no reason other than they are toxic and get enjoyment out of it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I mean this is Steel Strike... super easy, yet long and doesn't require raid build rotations.
    The kick is totally unwarranted unless OP was verbally assaulting the commander.

    @Cerioth.7062 I don't know how we would punish it. And yes, we already know we can block and form your own group, but that is still ignoring the issue.
    I mean it's not like we run in to these people all the time, but there are a few bad apples. It just sucks that someone goes unpunished for kitten behavior and that the only solution is to block and move on.

    I feel like quite a few people here don't even want to give OP the benefit of the doubt.
    It's like almost as if they are conditioned to think every time someone posts a complaint of being bullied, it is automatically their fault. Of course it is a case by case situation, though it's like not many people want to give that chance.

    The commander might have thought they were afking in the tank letting the others do the work.

    About your robber analogy, after getting robbed would you continue to go back to the same place to try and find the robber and hang out with them?

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 3, 2020

    @Ogwom.7940 said:
    @Cyninja.2954 Now it seems you are shifting the blame on the victim.
    If someone was just robbed, would you say, "Well you were walking by yourself out at night, and you only weigh 100 pounds... so you have to understand the robber couldn't help themselves and that they had a long work day."?

    The issue isn't about the commander getting bullied, it is about OP.
    You have to understand, just because you haven't experienced a person kicking another for no reason other than they are toxic and get enjoyment out of it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I mean this is Steel Strike... super easy, yet long and doesn't require raid build rotations.
    The kick is totally unwarranted unless OP was verbally assaulting the commander.

    The fact you feel this way only shows how disproportionate your view and entitlement to other players time is and their right to chose whom they want to play with.

    You have no idea WHY OP was initially kicked, except for what OP stated what he believes. He himself admitted to staying near the tank to speed it up, something which can easily be mistaken for afking.

    Might his removal from group have been unjustified? Sure, we don't know. That still does not supersede the choice others are allowed to make about wanting or not wanting to play with him, no matter how justified or unjustified that choice might be.

    What we do know is that OP behaved in a very disruptive way to other players by his own admission, with mostly no way for the other party to defend its self (I stated which limitations are in place). The moment he was removed from squad he should have walked away, not rejoined multiple times (and I guarantee you, the commander was certainly not "content" with him being there as OP puts it, as was proven later. As we know now, the commander had merely given up removing OP since there was nothing he could do to prevent him continually rejoining). No one has a right to other players groups or time. If OP had behaved in a reasonable way, meaning he had not badgered a group to take him along and accepted he was not welcome, this situation had not revolved the way it did.

    @Ogwom.7940 said:
    I feel like quite a few people here don't even want to give OP the benefit of the doubt.
    It's like almost as if they are conditioned to think every time someone posts a complaint of being bullied, it is automatically their fault. Of course it is a case by case situation, though it's like not many people want to give that chance.

    No one here HAS to give OP the benefit of the doubt. We are not here to absolve him of any crimes or w/e. Even less when being faced with only 1 side of the story which already paints some of OPs actions as part of the problem. No one is blaming OP or calling his removal from squad reasonable, but that was not the trigger to this issue. Maybe someone had him on block, noticed at some point, and told the squad leader about it. We do not know.

    At best one can give advice how to prevent such occurrences in the future, and that advice in this case would be: don't stick around in parties which do not want you and especially don't expect other players to be thrilled when you force them to take you along.

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ogwom.7940 said:

    @Cerioth.7062 I don't know how we would punish it. And yes, we already know we can block and form your own group, but that is still ignoring the issue.
    I mean it's not like we run in to these people all the time, but there are a few bad apples. It just sucks that someone goes unpunished for kitten behavior and that the only solution is to block and move on.

    Well, a few bad apples will always exist, no matter what punishing methods are invented. This does not, after all, happen very often. On top of that, a Commander has the right to decide who is in their group and who is not. We do not know the full story, and unless the same person keeps kicking people out of groups for no reason on a regular basis, I do not see how we can punish someone for running their group how they see fit.

    Even being kicked out unjustifiedly does not give the OP the right to start acting maliciously as well.

    And I really do not see how Anet would track this issue. They cannot forbid commanders from kicking people out of their squads - most of the time commanders kick people who are actually causing trouble or not performing the role they were invited for.

  • gert.7698gert.7698 Member ✭✭✭

    I would not worry to much about it. You said it yourself; you play strike missions since day 1, and it’s the first time this bad experience happend. So 99% of your strikes where positive, don’t focus to much about that one bad commander. Sometimes it just happens you met someone toxic in game...

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I usually have the same problem.

    But to me they say "lol herald"

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    I usually have the same problem.

    But to me they say "lol herald"

    But swiftness....

  • Antioche.7034Antioche.7034 Member ✭✭

    Provided you asked politely what the reason for the kick was and you genuinly don't know what the reason was either, you just block this person, skip the strike for the day, do something else and come back later with one less toxic player you'll play with.

    Obviously if your message was something along the lines of "Hey you piece of trash, tell me why you kicked me, you scumbag", can't be surprised that they didn't answered.

    Some people are just toxic, that's all.