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Lethion.8745Lethion.8745 Member ✭✭

Hi everyone. I used to be a mesmer-main PvP heavy player. Tho I was mostly playing in plat rank, I consider myself more of a casual player. I stopped playing roughly half of a year ago. How things changed since then? I especially want to know if PvP is dominated by 2 or 3 build-class combinations. How is diversity in PvP? What's the state of mesmer? Lastly, are you happy with the state of PvP in general. If not, what is the main problem for you? I skimmed through the topics but naturally people only complains in such forums which generally makes the situation seem worse than it actually is. Please be objective and don't denigrate. I just don't want to be missinformed.

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  • Lethion.8745Lethion.8745 Member ✭✭

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    Ded .

    Thank you fellow quaggan. That was very informative.

  • Hogwarts Zebra.8597Hogwarts Zebra.8597 Member ✭✭
    edited June 26, 2020

    mirage lost a dodge, chrono lost self-shatter, and core is still useless. still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but for solo q bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    in general tho diversity has greatly increased imo, mes and warr are the only classes without a meta build

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    mirage lost a dodge, chrono lost self-shatter, and core is still useless. still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    cmon, its not that bad

  • Hogwarts Zebra.8597Hogwarts Zebra.8597 Member ✭✭
    edited June 26, 2020

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    mirage lost a dodge, chrono lost self-shatter, and core is still useless. still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    cmon, its not that bad

    the only time i have lost a duel to a mes post patch is when i'm playing warr, which has also been gutted. considering mes has minimal team support, i'd say it is indeed "that bad"

  • Rukia.4802Rukia.4802 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    mirage lost a dodge, chrono lost self-shatter, and core is still useless. still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but for solo q bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    in general tho diversity has greatly increased imo, mes and warr are the only classes without a meta build

    They have meta builds they just aren't meta because they're outclassed, just to avoid confusion here..

    GW2 need list:
    GW1 Assassin elite spec
    Option to hide party/squad nameplate
    Particle effect slider/ability to turn friendly player effects off

  • It's kinda hard to give an opinion on how PvP is doing while being objective. Naturally everyone is going to think differently.

    It's objectively a lot slower now, I think that's pretty safe to say. That goes for everything from general game pacing, to fights, to matchmaking.

    When it comes to opinion, I think PvP is okay. It's not doing as well as it could be. There's an over-commitment to balance from both dev and community which I think has hurt the game a lot more than it's done good.

    Ranked is also still a mess since all the focus is on profession balance; so I think you're smart to avoid it, or to just play it casually. There's mini 2v2/3v3 ranked seasons now, which I think you might enjoy. Not so surprisingly the best content is actual new/different content.

    I also don't play mesmer so I can't help you there.

    Remove or Split DuoQ, revolution of our time! 😷

  • hotte in space.2158hotte in space.2158 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 26, 2020

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but for solo q bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    Some good mesmer mains are in P2 and I guess some very good ones could be in P3 (but I am not sure about P3 mesmers).

    @Lethion.8745 said:
    How is diversity in PvP?

    Could be better but still highest diversity since years. Its ok I would say. Up to P2 you will see all classes/specs and some of them even with various builds.
    P3 and higher theres a bit less diversity (warrior? mesmer?)

    @Lethion.8745 said:
    are you happy with the state of PvP in general. If not, what is the main problem for you? I skimmed through the topics but naturally people only complains in such forums >which generally makes the situation seem worse than it actually is

    Community is a bit frustrated atm because devs started good work on balance, promised frequent balance patches, but now nothing happens anymore.
    Its like always, devs do something but then dont bring it consequently to an end.
    Main issues are condi rev sustain and holo damage. But actually the state of balance isnt that bad. Its good enough to have fun :)
    Some players might see this different but for most of them fun is just connected with beeing successful and when they arent they dont have fun.
    PvP would need more effort and passion by our devs but all in all I would say its ok. I have fun playing PvP !
    Check it out^^

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hackers are currently running rampant in PvP.

  • check out the video in this thread here in the forum : [Vid] PvP Power Mirage - Even too bad to troll
    It will show you how mesmer works atm when played well

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    Matchmaking is so bad that top players are showing up in unranked now and basically making it kitten tier for new players, people learning a new class, or the casual folks.

    Fun times being paired up against a four man all the time as a solo player :]]]]]

  • ZeteCommander.4937ZeteCommander.4937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    You'll want to delete the game.The worst version in history.Diversity and playability have never been worse

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rukia.4802 said:

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    mirage lost a dodge, chrono lost self-shatter, and core is still useless. still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but for solo q bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    in general tho diversity has greatly increased imo, mes and warr are the only classes without a meta build

    They have meta builds they just aren't meta because they're outclassed, just to avoid confusion here..

    I think you're not understanding what meta means.

    Best Dressed Memser NA.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Balance is actually better than almost ever, even if it makes a few cry cuz they lost some gameplay. Lots of toxicity from players who think there good, but anyone that can comprehend w.e language they speak knows they aren’t so it’s ok. Lots of hacking but that’ll get cleaned up. Things aren’t bad tbh though the game is still amazing just expect some weird stuff in pvp cuz that’s just how life is.

  • memausz.7264memausz.7264 Member ✭✭✭

    Hackers. Do not enter.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hotte in space.2158 said:

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but for solo q bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    Some good mesmer mains are in P2 and I guess some very good ones could be in P3 (but I am not sure about P3 mesmers).

    @Lethion.8745 said:
    How is diversity in PvP?

    Could be better but still highest diversity since years. Its ok I would say. Up to P2 you will see all classes/specs and some of them even with various builds.
    P3 and higher theres a bit less diversity (warrior? mesmer?)

    @Lethion.8745 said:
    are you happy with the state of PvP in general. If not, what is the main problem for you? I skimmed through the topics but naturally people only complains in such forums >which generally makes the situation seem worse than it actually is

    Community is a bit frustrated atm because devs started good work on balance, promised frequent balance patches, but now nothing happens anymore.
    Its like always, devs do something but then dont bring it consequently to an end.
    Main issues are condi rev sustain and holo damage. But actually the state of balance isnt that bad. Its good enough to have fun :)
    Some players might see this different but for most of them fun is just connected with beeing successful and when they arent they dont have fun.
    PvP would need more effort and passion by our devs but all in all I would say its ok. I have fun playing PvP !
    Check it out^^

    Im p2 as mesmer, soloq with 66% winrate, and I dont even play the "meta" build, mesmer is not doing gr8 but people blow out of the waters how bad it is.

  • Rukia.4802Rukia.4802 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2020

    @mortrialus.3062 said:

    @Rukia.4802 said:

    @Hogwarts Zebra.8597 said:
    mirage lost a dodge, chrono lost self-shatter, and core is still useless. still usable in gold or with highly organized premades, but for solo q bascially take your old rating and subtract 200 and that's where you'll end up if u main mesmer

    in general tho diversity has greatly increased imo, mes and warr are the only classes without a meta build

    They have meta builds they just aren't meta because they're outclassed, just to avoid confusion here..

    I think you're not understanding what meta means.

    The classes aren't meta, but the builds are. I just clarifying that it has usable builds. Like every war will be sb gs+d/sh for example, despite how rare they may be :) builds don't simply disappear just get overshadowed by powercreep usual.

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    Im p2 as mesmer, soloq with 66% winrate, and I dont even play the "meta" build, mesmer is not doing gr8 but people blow out of the waters how bad it is.

    What isn't blown out of proportion in this forum?

    GW2 need list:
    GW1 Assassin elite spec
    Option to hide party/squad nameplate
    Particle effect slider/ability to turn friendly player effects off

  • Sheader.6827Sheader.6827 Member ✭✭

    PvP is literally infested with bots and hackers. Check Reddit now, there are two trending posts full with clips and screenshots of botting and hacking, and it is generally believed all that falls on deaf ears as some accounts do it for weeks if not months.

    If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well it were done quickly. That but this blow might be the be-all and the end-all—here.
    Macbeth Act 1, scene 7

  • Paradoxoglanis.1904Paradoxoglanis.1904 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its a very slow meta. Not really bunker, but most builds are incredibly tanky. Diversity is decent, but there are some pretty overpowered builds. Necro, condi rev, and explosive holo are in nearly every game, often with more than one. Mesmer and warrior are generally agreed to be the weakest classes right now, you can still play them, but they have a rough time competing with the op builds right now. There are still population and matchmaking issues, bots and hackers are able to play freely, the quality of most games is still very poor. And to top everything off, we have had barely any communication from anet since the balance overhaul on feb 25, despite their promise to take a more active stance with balancing.

  • Marxx.5021Marxx.5021 Member ✭✭✭

    Sadly everything Anet does related to PvP is too little too late. I think they have lost interest in PvP when Stronghold failed.

  • Highlie.7641Highlie.7641 Member ✭✭✭

    The same old MMORPG story.

    The board of directors see's dollar signs only. they tell the developers to target the masses. (PvE player's), Spvp and WvW player's get angry because there balancing around Pve, and they leave. Pve player's start noticing the game is empty (#ded Game meme), they now have no one to show off there flashy gem store outfit's too. profit is down. game closes or get's an expansion.

    We are in the second last period, as the "free items" there using to bait you towards the gem shop should show you....

  • Lethion.8745Lethion.8745 Member ✭✭

    Thank you everyone for your helpful posts. I didn't expect to get this much feedback. I decided it to give it a try but I'll most likely keep Gw2 as a second option till Anet pumps some fresh blood into PvP