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Hello, I just finished all living world stories (besides ls1 because you cannot purchase it) but it feels like there is a huge gap in the story because you cannot get to know taimi and the others without the lore of ls1, which ofc I googled and looked up on wikipedia but it doesn't feel enough imo. I also did the episodes in the scrying pool in EoN but yeah..it's kind of confusing for new players.

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Everyone agrees with you. :) Except for those who hated Season 1. ;)

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @yukarishura.4790 said:
    Hello, I just finished all living world stories (besides ls1 because you cannot purchase it) but it feels like there is a huge gap in the story because you cannot get to know taimi and the others without the lore of ls1, which ofc I googled and looked up on wikipedia but it doesn't feel enough imo. I also did the episodes in the scrying pool in EoN but yeah..it's kind of confusing for new players.

    It does, yes.
    But the S1 content was really much lower quality than the current stuff. The scrying pool shows that very plainly.
    The playerbase is much better served by just getting over this than seeing yet more developer resources spent on unfun, unrewarding, clunky missions who's purpose is only to fill a gap in the story.
    Getting to know Taimi isn't worth it.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Everyone agrees with you. :) Except for those who hated Season 1. ;)

    Not true. I hated Season 1, but I've campaigned for it's full return for years.

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  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Everyone agrees with you. :) Except for those who hated Season 1. ;)

    Not true. I hated Season 1, but I've campaigned for it's full return for years.

    Same here. But it needs to return in a proper form and not hidden behind Season 5 content. Fun or not, as @mindcircus.1506 points out it doesn't age greatly (same can be said for PS and S2 though, and S1>PS in several ways), but it should be there.

    You wouldn't watch Lord of the Rings while skipping The Two Towers. You wouldn't watch the Star Wars original trilogy while skipping Empire Strikes Back. No one would enjoy the stories then. There's no reason why players should be incapable of playing Season 1.

    I would like more than kitten attempts in bringing them back, e.g., having once-per-character rewards instead of once-per-account or having minor rebalancing to fix issues that weren't an issue when the content was around for merely 2 weeks, but I'd take a proper kitten attempt that puts the instances in the story journal in order over what Visions of the Past provided.

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  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    You wouldn't watch Lord of the Rings while skipping The Two Towers. You wouldn't watch the Star Wars original trilogy while skipping Empire Strikes Back. No one would enjoy the stories then.

    This would be an apt comparison if Empire and Two Towers were awful films, written and directed by Uwe Boll, and made for 1/10th of the budget of the originals. If either of these stories were so bad that you sat there watching with the impression that the were being made up as they went along, then sure.
    But those are pretty decent movies.
    You can certainly watch the Star Trek movies without watching Final Frontier. Your enjoyment of the series would likely increase by skipping it.

    There's no reason why players should be incapable of playing Season 1.

    There are many reasons.
    The objectively bad quality of the narrative and execution is just one.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Tukaram.8256Tukaram.8256 Member ✭✭✭

    A gap in what? Is there an item/character/skill locked in the story? Or is it just lore?
    If you read the lore in the game, or on the wiki... you read it. There is nothing missing, really. 😎

  • I'm very much in the "Season One was terrible but they should still bring it back" camp. The OP might be interested in the fanmade movie version on YouTube:

    Personally I found watching the movie preferable to reading about it on the Wiki. (I played about half of Season One, I think, but since it was bad I moved onto other games - so I watched the movie to fill in the gap when I eventually came back to GW2.)

    If I recall correctly, many of the important characters weren't really introduced properly in the game anyway, they just turned up without explanation. They also barely interacted with your player character (who I think had no lines?) until Season Two, when they suddenly started calling you "boss". So it didn't really help me get to know or care about those characters.

  • @Tukaram.8256 said:
    A gap in what? Is there an item/character/skill locked in the story? Or is it just lore?
    If you read the lore in the game, or on the wiki... you read it. There is nothing missing, really. 😎

    I think you can also miss achievements right? and there is no way you can get that

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2020

    The scrying pool shows that replaying random lws1 instances without context is a really, REALLY bad idea.

    I think the Lws1 recap and the scrying pool were a cool idea in theory, but fumbled on the execution. I think it would have been cool if the devs took artistic license, and made some instances that told a story of how we got from PS to lws2, and why we should care about this "new" cast of characters.

    Reading the wiki or watching fanmade videos endears me as much as reading plot spoilers.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The in game story is incomplete. It should be completed, high quality or not. I would even be satisfied if they made it possible to watch that player made video in game. I love replaying the story on new characters until I hit that point. I then take a break and pick it up a few weeks later and treat it like GW3 so that having to read the plot on the wiki feels more acceptable because it happened "between games."

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  • DreamyAbaddon.3265DreamyAbaddon.3265 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tommo Chocolate.5870 said:
    I'm very much in the "Season One was terrible but they should still bring it back" camp. The OP might be interested in the fanmade movie version on YouTube:

    Personally I found watching the movie preferable to reading about it on the Wiki. (I played about half of Season One, I think, but since it was bad I moved onto other games - so I watched the movie to fill in the gap when I eventually came back to GW2.)

    If I recall correctly, many of the important characters weren't really introduced properly in the game anyway, they just turned up without explanation. They also barely interacted with your player character (who I think had no lines?) until Season Two, when they suddenly started calling you "boss". So it didn't really help me get to know or care about those characters.

    Thanks for recommending my GW2 movie! Glad you enjoyed it! 😉

  • Stelawrat.6589Stelawrat.6589 Member ✭✭

    @DreamyAbaddon.3265 said:

    @Tommo Chocolate.5870 said:
    I'm very much in the "Season One was terrible but they should still bring it back" camp. The OP might be interested in the fanmade movie version on YouTube:

    Personally I found watching the movie preferable to reading about it on the Wiki. (I played about half of Season One, I think, but since it was bad I moved onto other games - so I watched the movie to fill in the gap when I eventually came back to GW2.)

    If I recall correctly, many of the important characters weren't really introduced properly in the game anyway, they just turned up without explanation. They also barely interacted with your player character (who I think had no lines?) until Season Two, when they suddenly started calling you "boss". So it didn't really help me get to know or care about those characters.

    Thanks for recommending my GW2 movie! Glad you enjoyed it! 😉

    When I leveled my first character to 80, prior to speaking to the NPC for the in game "intro" to LWS1, I watched that video. It is quite long, over 3 hours, but if the story line, the lore is important to you, then I feel that it's worth it. It made subsequent game play more meaningful to me. Kudos to everyone involved in its production.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anet puts most of their resources and attention to story to the point where one would say this is a story based mmo yet, tey cba to properly fill in the massive gap they left and they are seemingly fine with that.

    It doesnt matter if its well written or not it sets up basically the whole of the existing story and the alcl of it is a massive gap.

    Such a shame and its honestly the main reason i tell ppl to try other mmos if they want a narrative experience.