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  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    I prefer that the devs count the unlocking of the weapon skin as proof of the previous tier weapon instead of the actual weapon itself. That would save a lot of storage space and annoyment for the ones who deleted the old weapons.

    This right here is the answer. Maybe a dev will read the forum and see this...

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  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If content is released that will be upgradable in the future it really shouldn't be released until all tiers are available. Having us tie up inventory slots for months at a time to maybe craft something we'll like in the future just feels like a cheap tactic to sell bag and bank slots. Not saying this is the case, but it feels like it.

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • @Super Hayes.6890 said:

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    I prefer that the devs count the unlocking of the weapon skin as proof of the previous tier weapon instead of the actual weapon itself. That would save a lot of storage space and annoyment for the ones who deleted the old weapons.

    This right here is the answer. Maybe a dev will read the forum and see this...

    Not to disagree, but Anet makes money selling storage space and therefore has a vested interest in getting us to fill our inventory. But I do hope they will once more offer a chance to buy copies of the ones we trashed accidentally. Like most people, I'm sure, the only part of the description I read is whether I have unlocked the skin yet or not.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭

    Let's see if anet has a vendor as a preemptive strike to save the the 200 tickets over tomorrow by all the ones that salvaged that don't visit the forums

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Manasa Devi.7958Manasa Devi.7958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I like the note in the weapon description, because it comes with a solid justification to assume that future weapons without such a note can be safely salvaged/forged.

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2020

    So is Tier 1 actually upgradeable, that is, does it act as a precursor, or do you have to make Tier 2 weapons from scratch (from the new recipes)? Or are there both ways of making T2? thanks in advance

  • Someone on reddit post the recipe... that's expensive !

    https://dd.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/hzlb98/charged_stormcaller_recipe/

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  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, I saw that! That's why I was asking -- is that the only way to get the Tier 2 Stormcaller weapons? If so, I think calling the T1 weapons "upgradeable" was deceptive.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭

    Don't even need t1 just like 55g each for t2 tho

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Moira Shalaar.5620 said:
    Yeah, I'm not too happy about this but for a different reason than seems to be the popular one here. I crafted the T1 on the premise that I would be able to upgrade them to T2 just to find out that T1 is a throwaway tier, I could have skipped them and just made T2. At the very least they could have had 2 recipes, 1 for people without the T1 that is full price, and a second for those of us with the T1 that is discounted, maybe only 1 core and 1 draconic lodestone. But as it is this decision pretty much undermines the whole thing that they set up with the previous release.

    I agree with you. I crafted some T1s because they were called upgradeable.... maybe there is a second way to acquire T2? Hence my questions if anybody knows. If it turns out T1 is indeed a "throwaway" tier I'll be less than happy.

  • Spanex.1950Spanex.1950 Member ✭✭
    edited July 28, 2020

    Wait, so that warning didn't matter? Huh. Well, glad I'm not being forced to make the T1s again. Still, kinda weird to have had that warning in there then. According to a comment in that reddit post, the description for the weapons were also removed with this patch. Perhaps it was a last minute change of mind.

    Edit: Just checked. Yep, it's gone. https://i.imgur.com/ITZlfy4.jpg

    Edit2: Having looked at the recipe for T2 again and seeing the visual difference between the two weapon tiers (literally just more particle effects), I've decided they're not worth the trouble. Good luck to whoever tackles this monster of a weapon collection. I sure am not.

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, kitten that. I feel tricked, which is souring me on the whole episode. It's like dangling something in front of us for two months and then jerking it away.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭

    @Witch of Doom.5739 said:
    Yeah, kitten that. I feel tricked, which is souring me on the whole episode. It's like dangling something in front of us for two months and then jerking it away.

    They changed it last second I bet. That's why the warning got removed from the weapons too. Too many tickets/complaints on forums

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't care whose fault it is. There is absolutely no reason T1 must be a component for T2. They should just avoid this kitten by not designing it that way in the first place!

  • Witch of Doom.5739Witch of Doom.5739 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You know, if more people are happier with the change, great. But to say for two months that "these weapons will be able to be upgraded" and then do the last-minute switch, grrrr. Best-case scenario would be to have TWO ways to get the charged weapons, either craft from scratch or craft for less gold using the first tier weapons. Maybe that's a hidden feature that we just haven't seen yet.

  • notebene.3190notebene.3190 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    Thankfully, I am only missing two, but had to spend 17 gold buying enough charged lodestones to remake them. I had submitted a ticket early on in the last episode, after I caught my mistake, but they wouldn't restore them. That's okay, no harm no foul.

    I like the ideas people had upstream about making it tied to the achievement. Additionally, if they were not salvageable, then the idea of 'farming support for materials' kinda goes by the wayside. And of course, if they'd make them for sale on a vendor for karma and area mats, that would be great too.

    Update: now I’m reading I wasted 17g and mats making the two I was missing again. Nice. 😞

    In the event I don't get a chance, thank you all for the company and help when I needed it from time to time.

  • Will.9785Will.9785 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    There should be a cheaper recipe for those of us who made tier 1. They went around for months saying we needed to craft tier 1 for tier 2, so I did, and now come to find out I've basically wasted a ton of gold. Not cool.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anyone want to place a bet that next week ANET will change their mind again, and maybe let you salvage the T1 for a chance at the mats you need for T2, but by then many players will already have disposed of them?

    I wish I was making a joke here - I seriously believe ANET is capable of this.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Witch of Doom.5739 said:
    Yeah, kitten that. I feel tricked, which is souring me on the whole episode. It's like dangling something in front of us for two months and then jerking it away.

    They changed it last second I bet. That's why the warning got removed from the weapons too. Too many tickets/complaints on forums

    This.

    Chances are high that this also made the Tier 2 weapons more expensive, since now the T1 weapons were no longer needed.

    There is a good chance that the original recipe for the T2 weapons had the T1 in them. Probably not requiring the duplicate materials which we now see AGAIN being used in the crafting of the T2 weapons.

    The upside here is:
    The developers obviously are aware of the problem with upgrade able items, which can be destroyed, spread over multiple episodes.

    The downside:
    We all now get to pay a hefty premium for the second batch of weapons. Even the players who trashed their T1 weapons now have to spend another couple of hundred gold. Still if this means in the longer less of these types of issues, I'd say not to high a price to pay.

  • Manasa Devi.7958Manasa Devi.7958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    The crafting recipes don't seem to make a lot of sense either, unless they're misrepresented on the wiki. There are no weapon parts in it. The greatsword and the axe use exactly the same ingredients. I'd say they all do but there's a bit of variation because there are a couple of different inscriptions used among the set. I suspect they were originally intended to have the tier 1 weapon as an ingredient instead of an inscription.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There should be another recipe that involves the t1 weapons simple fix ain't it.
    Also these should be Ascended by looking at the cost.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    There should be another recipe that involves the t1 weapons simple fix ain't it.
    Also these should be Ascended by looking at the cost.

    +1 for ascended Charged Stormcaller weapons.
    That is my only gripe. We had ascended weapons for far cheaper ; in Istan & Thunderhead Peaks there were ascended "upgraded" weapons.

    If they're trying to get more of the playerbase in ascended and exotics it would be a good idea to make the Illuminated Boreal weapons (Berserker stats) also ascended but the ship has sailed on that.

    edit: seems Charged Stormcaller weapons are salvaged for Memories of Otter achievement. However, point about Illuminated Boreal weapons still stands.

  • Nor.2057Nor.2057 Member ✭✭

    For someone like me that crafted 25 t1 stormcaller weapons for a chance of better profit this last second change is infuriating...they even removed the frigging text message on the t1 weapons like it was nothing and AFTER THE UPDATE...by joko what a fail...

  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Moira Shalaar.5620 said:
    Yeah, I'm not too happy about this but for a different reason than seems to be the popular one here. I crafted the T1 on the premise that I would be able to upgrade them to T2 just to find out that T1 is a throwaway tier, I could have skipped them and just made T2. At the very least they could have had 2 recipes, 1 for people without the T1 that is full price, and a second for those of us with the T1 that is discounted, maybe only 1 core and 1 draconic lodestone. But as it is this decision pretty much undermines the whole thing that they set up with the previous release.

    Yeah, if they've done this to avoid complaints, they could have also provided a recipe that uses the T1 version in lieu of some of the repeated components. As is, it seems that apart from collection completion (and the rewards for Stormcaller Armaments aren't that great apart from the mastery point, which you can get just from the reward tracks) there's not much point in getting the tier 1s unless you prefer the subtler effect.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2020

    @draxynnic.3719 said:
    As is, it seems that apart from collection completion [...] there's not much point in getting the tier 1s unless you prefer the subtler effect.

    I actually prefer the T1 versions and hate that I will need to do T2 for the achievement points (50, whoa!). I might wait until prices drop and this time buy them instead of craft them. We'll see.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nor.2057 said:
    For someone like me that crafted 25 t1 stormcaller weapons for a chance of better profit this last second change is infuriating...they even removed the frigging text message on the t1 weapons like it was nothing and AFTER THE UPDATE...by joko what a fail...

    You could have just held on to the materials instead of crafting the excess ones not for your personal achievement before patch hit. You speculated on the market, that's on you.