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Strikes turning into Raid 2.0.....

Trash attitude..worst ever behavior...elitism and the typical one fail=instant disband...all the elements that keep players away from raids and now you find those same elements even in EoTN. It's really a shame as I was having fun with strikes...sadly these days that 's what you get and find in this kind of modes

-A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

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  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭

    99 percent my strikes go off easy but then I don't do woj or boneskinner. I do agree when you get that wipe on raven or even duo happened at least a few leave and you need to get more. That's just most players need instant success and easy rewards so they can't deal with that 1 fail.

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • DirtyDan.4759DirtyDan.4759 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2020

    Make your own group

    The time you spent typing this could have been used for typing "all strikes, be nice" or something similar into the lfg.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What do you expect? That people are fine with taking forever for old content? The easy solution is to just do it with friends or your guild. Never had an issue with this, even when I pug as a solo most of the time.

    I rather choose death.

  • Make your own squad and join a guild you are happy with. If other ppl want a specific requirement get that, ask them if you can join anyway or just dont join them it's that simple.

  • Raids 2.0 !??! Count me in ! No seriously the day anet makes a strike like largos or dhuum I will rejoice.

    Toxic dps main? Who cares..tell em to hit benchmark on the boss and if they fail repeatedly kick em. I find toxic raiders are the best. They hit the metrics and bring a ton of experience to the table. Treat them like a tool you need to bring down your target and nothing more. I lead my own raids but perhaps op doesn't do that so there might be a disconnect. Op might get flammed for under performing and while it might be embarrassing it might have to do with the experience level of the group's op joins. For example I post Titanic God dps in lfg. I have a concrete expectation that a dps answering this call will be a benchmark dps player.

    With all this being said I don't think I've ever posted for a strike and had the party fail to kill within a few pulls. Bringing enough healers and boons is my job and on strikes it's most of the challenge. The fights are easy enough to carry most people.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Couldn't agree more. The usual forums complainers certainly made sure to turn Strike discussions into Raid discussions 2.0.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Couldn't agree more. The usual forums complainers certainly made sure to turn Strike discussions into Raid discussions 2.0.

    Not more raids being developed , a casual playerbase surely doesn't need the toxicity of raid players , that toxicity did cost you dearly now...hope you lot "pro players" are happy now

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2020

    Stopped doing them myself a while ago.. mostly because some of them like Boneskinner were pushing too far into raid territory where either cheese tactics became the norm or the mechanics were just way too difficult for what strike content is supposed to be.
    Strikes are not raids.. they should not be harder than any raids and they should certainly not be as demanding in terms of builds and min-maxing play.

    Thing I get sick of most of all is people running things like Arc and then complaining when other peoples DPS is lower than their standards and expectations.
    This isn't raids and I can't stand having to deal with people arguing because they disagree over what other peoples "acceptable" DPS numbers are.. a factor that often changes person by person.
    Things like Arc can be a useful tool in concept, but the way some players use it to justify being a kitten to other people in this game just makes me wish it wasn't allowed.

    Strikes are supposed to be introduction raid content.. basically easier raid like content that would appeal to more people and get them possibly interested in trying out raids.
    But some of that toxicity in raids which largely contributes to pushing people away from raids has migrated into strikes as well.. causing the same problem.
    People being turned off the content.. not because it's "too hard" or there some tricky mechanics to learn, but simply becuase they're not interested in being berated and attacked by other players who think there is only 1 right way to play the content.
    That's not true for raids.. and it certainly isn't true for strikes either.. proof of that can be found with anyone who has beaten either of that content without a generally accepted Meta build.

    Truth is, so long as attitudes like that are known to be pretty common in this kind of content, more and more people will avoid playing it just because they don't want to deal with those kinds of players.
    Years ago the same was true for Fractals and same again for Dungeons before that.

  • Rhiannon.1726Rhiannon.1726 Member ✭✭✭

    What people do you have in NA that you call everyone toxic?
    In EU I just open a squad (or join one without requirements) and Fraenir, Grothmar, Kodan and WoJ are done with just "hi" and "ty". I've never met any toxity in a squad.

    Right now (21:00 CET) strike lfg in EU: 7 listings with various strikes, only one with li requirement and one looking for certain professions.
    An in the raid lfg: 11 listings for raids, 2 of them training, 1 without special requirements. And 3 training squads are running in a discord of a training guild (RTI).

  • panzerdragon.8791panzerdragon.8791 Member ✭✭
    edited July 31, 2020

    Who knows what toxic even is. You know what , I was called a piece of garbage when my boons are dps were not good enough. It was deserved my metrics did not merit my slot in the raid. Improvements were made, new gear accessed and metrics improved. Falling within the average read outs of any group content is fine. People who severely under perform are singled out due to their output being so low. Do people care if the boon Chrono hits 30k ? No not really unless boons are actually bad then at that point what's the utility of having that slot in the first place.

    Either way unlike another difficult hobby like rock climbing or something , this is a team effort. If peoples methods are not to standard or detrimental the success of the team then kicking will occur. To maximize the possibility of playing with a team people will need to provide value and do so consistently. These are the emergent properties of teams. Having a problem with this mean certain people have a problem with team based content ,hobbies , or work. The activity has nothing to do with anything. No group of anyone ,barring some other incentive, will willingly deal with or carry valueless team members. Especially when there are many players willing and able fill the slot.

    I've told people this many times but I can't market this enough. Please join a community like raid academy for learning or grouping. Night and day difference. I actually met people who have never pugged a single boss there XD. What also helps is playing with people of a similar skill and expectations. Playing with DNT and speed runners? Yeh you might get kicked for anything less than perfection. Got a decent group with 10 kills per person average then I doubt anyone is expecting meta defining performance.

    Edit to remove unintentional quote

  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Like usual, there are those who want to be done as quickly as possible, and some who just want to get it done, no matter how.

    As long as these two mix, you get toxicity from one side or the other. The first group will call the others leech (despite the fact that -no- they're not trying to get carried, they're trying to play the game the way they want), and the second group will call the other elitist killjoy rushers (despite the fact that's the way they enjoy the game).

    Is there a wrong or right attitude ? No. Disengage, remake the party. Dont ruin it for one, or the other, no need for name calling, no need for further interaction, state your intent, and stick to it. You want to rush, you say you intend to rush. If everyone's fine with it, you're good to go. Someone raises an issue, tell them that they wont get much fun with your current party, and encourage them to find a new one elsewhere. The same goes for the other side. You're a professional, joining a run with normal runners, do -not- push your arcdps ratings to their face, they do not care, they do not want to min max. They just want to explore the run, try mechanics, and potentially even -do- the mechanics, rather than trying to rush past parts of it. There are no wrong way to do them, but there are also no right way to do them either.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ooops.8694 said:
    Your favourite sports team, that pays professionals instead of letting the fans play...

    True. It's not a problem when a sports team asks for professionals, and has very high requirements. It is a problem when an organizer creates an event designed for professionals, but intends for schoolkids (and other amateurs) to participate (and advertises it for them). The professionals may not see any problems, but the amateurs aren't likely to find that fun at all.
    Said situation is not the professionals' fault. Nor it is the amateurs' fault. The blame in such a situation is completely on the organizer's side.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited 9:22AM

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Couldn't agree more. The usual forums complainers certainly made sure to turn Strike discussions into Raid discussions 2.0.

    Not more raids being developed , a casual playerbase surely doesn't need the toxicity of raid players , that toxicity did cost you dearly now...hope you lot "pro players" are happy now

    The only toxicity in regards to raids that I see are from those that call raiders toxic. “Toxic casual” is a real thing.

    Players that want to play with others with the same mentality as them are not toxic. Those wanting to force other players to play with them are toxic. Those joining groups that they do not meet the requirements for, get kicked as a result, and then complain/demonize those players for it are toxic.

    As has been the case since the beginning of the game when we saw similar complaints about LFG, you’re always free to create your own LFG and play with those that have the same mindset as you (e.g. casual, no meta, whatever).

    If you have standards...then put the requirements in the LFG! Right now there are "Tags" who display : LFG for more and you join with makeshift DPS build, no raid material but not even a so called leecher, you may not reach 35k snowcrow benchmark table..but you do enough to earn Gold reward and yet.....people then complain saying you're leeching? If you're dying to use ArcDPS...put the LI req and spare people your toxicity

    I see....you don't find players fast enough with your LI reqs? No I don't try to join your l33t team with LI reqs....you ask for normal players while secretly using ArcDPS then throwing a tantrum if the DPS not up with your speed run standards

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited 10:03AM

    Imagine thinking that Strikes are anywhere close to raids and that you're entitled to be mean to people for beginner raids. I could understand, if it was harder, but most Strikes aren't even T3/T4 Fractals levels of hard., let alone 100CM or "raid hard".

    People fail because they come on open-world builds, because the game is mostly open world, not because they're bad players. There's no incentive to bring proper builds or gear to any content now because the devs keep dumbing down the game more and more, and I imagine its only going to get worse since they seem to want it to be extremely easy.

    They changed the game so instead of being killed in lv10 area, you can take on 20-30 enemies instead. And ever since then its just become worse and worse, with Drizzlewood being the definition of easy peasy lemon squeezy due to lack of scaling.

    To understand something, look at the root of the problem. Where it started, and what went wrong. Don't get upset at other people, who are just victims of a bad system, that should never have ended up this way in the first place. The game set out to be casual-friendly but ended up as casual-only, and I think there's an important difference there.

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  • Carcharoth Lucian.1378Carcharoth Lucian.1378 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:
    I see....you don't find players fast enough with your LI reqs? No I don't try to join your l33t team with LI reqs....you ask for normal players while secretly using ArcDPS then throwing a tantrum if the DPS not up with your speed run standards

    Usually if you see a "role" asked in lfg (even when li is not requested), ppl expect some minimal exp, like for example give perma alac when you come as "alac", or do more dps than an hfb when you come as "dps".

    It's in "all welcome" party that ppl don't expect anything.

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  • Ooops.8694Ooops.8694 Member ✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:
    I see....you don't find players fast enough with your LI reqs?

    Small reality check... Most people doing strikes daily don't bother joining groups with no requirements. And the usual "free for all" crowd stopped long ago or only does single easy strikes.
    If you want your group to fill up faster, you add requirements, not lower them... ;-)

  • panzerdragon.8791panzerdragon.8791 Member ✭✭

    @Ooops.8694

    Very true. Kinda like seeing some funny post in the lfg. Having an open group in the past has usually led to Titanic time wasting. Think getting stuck on sirens reef t4. Fracs are just a way to get fast gold and trinkets needed for raiding. Wasting time in fracs is real painful especially with pots and good burning on each run. strikes are the same way. Couple of our healers are burning one or two gold an hour on food, so fast clears are a must.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited 5:58PM

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Couldn't agree more. The usual forums complainers certainly made sure to turn Strike discussions into Raid discussions 2.0.

    Not more raids being developed , a casual playerbase surely doesn't need the toxicity of raid players , that toxicity did cost you dearly now...hope you lot "pro players" are happy now

    The only toxicity in regards to raids that I see are from those that call raiders toxic. “Toxic casual” is a real thing.

    Players that want to play with others with the same mentality as them are not toxic. Those wanting to force other players to play with them are toxic. Those joining groups that they do not meet the requirements for, get kicked as a result, and then complain/demonize those players for it are toxic.

    As has been the case since the beginning of the game when we saw similar complaints about LFG, you’re always free to create your own LFG and play with those that have the same mindset as you (e.g. casual, no meta, whatever).

    If you have standards...then put the requirements in the LFG! Right now there are "Tags" who display : LFG for more and you join with makeshift DPS build, no raid material but not even a so called leecher, you may not reach 35k snowcrow benchmark table..but you do enough to earn Gold reward and yet.....people then complain saying you're leeching? If you're dying to use ArcDPS...put the LI req and spare people your toxicity

    I see....you don't find players fast enough with your LI reqs? No I don't try to join your l33t team with LI reqs....you ask for normal players while secretly using ArcDPS then throwing a tantrum if the DPS not up with your speed run standards

    I have yet to see a group like that and I’m willing to bet that they’re far from the norm. There are certainly toxic raiders just as there are toxic casuals. Neither of these represent their respective groups.

  • panzerdragon.8791panzerdragon.8791 Member ✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396

    I've only seen and use toxic lfg ads when we actually are going fir the kill. If we are training new people or running new builds then yeh open party. Makes no sense to demand benchmark dps when our own output is lackluster .