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Are we now putting precursors in lootboxes Anet?

Last time i checked this wasnt the chinese server and moves like that really do give the wrong impression to players. You said there wouldnt be any p2w so then why are you giving ppl the precursor to the best items through paid lootboxes?

Your ncsoft is showing...

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    Wait... they put precursors in black lion chests now?

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Wait... they put precursors in black lion chests now?

    With an additional step, yes. The guaranteed item in the current chests is Gnashblade's Exotic Weapon Grab Bag, which gives 1 random exotic. According to the contents preview the possible drops include gen 1 precursors.

    I assume the drop rate for precursors is absurdly low (probably about the same as the Mystic Forge) so anyone looking to buy one with gems is better off converting them to gold to get it directly, but the end result is still that buying black lion keys could give you a precursor.

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  • DeanBB.4268DeanBB.4268 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    I spent one BL Key to open one chest, and got an Exotic greatsword of less than level 80. So salvage fodder. I expected them to be at least level 80's, and had a bit of interest since I have 3 new toons approaching level 80. I'll save the rest of my keys for future offerings.

    [edit] To complete my thoughts, you still can get kitten, so I don't mind that there is a chance of a precursor. Nothing there is game-breaking anyway.

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  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    So why is nobody mad when they put infusions in there? Same difference? I can't be mad about a 200g item being in there with a tiny chance.

    I rather choose death.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    This BLC loot slot changes every few months. I think somewhere around winter they put PvP/WvW reward track tonics in it. Noone complains about that either, despite the fact that it let's you gain PvP / WvW exclusive skins and rewards like Gift of Battle without ever playing those modes.

    There are no Sub Fees, so I guess they somehow have to make money via the gem store. Really, that's not an issue.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    So why is nobody mad when they put infusions in there? Same difference? I can't be mad about a 200g item being in there with a tiny chance.

    Infusions are a cosmetic item, which is fine. Also, when did they do that? I must have missed it.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    So why is nobody mad when they put infusions in there? Same difference? I can't be mad about a 200g item being in there with a tiny chance.

    Infusions are a cosmetic item, which is fine.

    Precursors are not? They're just skins too. Legendaries still require them to put more than a thousand gold into crafting. I really can't see the issue there.

    I rather choose death.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Turkeyspit.3965 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    So why is nobody mad when they put infusions in there? Same difference? I can't be mad about a 200g item being in there with a tiny chance.

    Infusions are a cosmetic item, which is fine.

    Precursors are not? They're just skins too. Legendaries still require them to put more than a thousand gold into crafting. I really can't see the issue there.

    Just read my post above, I'm not going to repeat myself.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    This BLC loot slot changes every few months. I think somewhere around winter they put PvP/WvW reward track tonics in it. Noone complains about that either, despite the fact that it let's you gain PvP / WvW exclusive skins and rewards like Gift of Battle without ever playing those modes.

    There are no Sub Fees, so I guess they somehow have to make money via the gem store. Really, that's not an issue.

    Then sell cosmetics in the gemstore. It was their choice to not go with a diff monetisation.

  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes they are and I got one! but I accidentally salvaged it :s (Yes I have sent a ticket)

  • Wolfb.7025Wolfb.7025 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    @Josiah.2967 said:
    Buying the legendary directly is still statistically cheaper on average. I don't see a problem.

    Concur.

    BLC also gives home instances nodes and permanent bank/tp/vendor contracts which gives way more advantage over people than just getting one single precursor boye.

    And by everyone's logic here, you can p2w your precursors too. Invest 25usd on gems, trade to gold, buy precursors from TP, easy.

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  • mtpelion.4562mtpelion.4562 Member ✭✭✭

    It would be more cost effective to convert cash into gems and then gems into coins, buy as many rare unidentified equipment bags as you can afford, and then open the bags and repeatedly use the Mystic Forge on the results in an attempt to obtain the precursors.

    This is more like "Pay to Lose".

  • Vrath.1754Vrath.1754 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    @Kurrilino.2706 said:
    Well.... this is why the government has to step in like they did in other country's.
    Obviously companies can't handle the freedom they are given. Shame on you A-Net.
    It would have been way better to put it directly into the Gem store instead encouraging gambling.

    It's time to end this gambling nonsense across the gaming world.
    I still remember times when you bought a game and it was 100% developed and you could play it to your hearts desire.

    No thanks. How about people take responsibility for themselves. And if you think for one instant the Gov stepping in will change practice you are naive or haven't thought this through. No company will just accept all the lost revenue everything will go up in price and different mechanics will be developed to milk revenue from players.
    And to refer to single player games with constantly developed MMOs is ridiculous as theres continued costs.

  • Sarrs.4831Sarrs.4831 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    While lootboxes are bad, I think this is far from egregious. There are any number of items available from a Black Lion Chest that you are able to sell and get a return far greater than the value of a precursor. You could buy over half a dozen precursors with a Hair Stylist Contract for example.

    As far as player power - there is no power behind a precursor. You would be able to buy an exotic weapon for the sale price of any skin drop from the chest.

    If we're gonna rag on lootboxes can we rag on the exclusive skins in them?

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    This BLC loot slot changes every few months. I think somewhere around winter they put PvP/WvW reward track tonics in it. Noone complains about that either, despite the fact that it let's you gain PvP / WvW exclusive skins and rewards like Gift of Battle without ever playing those modes.

    There are no Sub Fees, so I guess they somehow have to make money via the gem store. Really, that's not an issue.

    Then sell cosmetics in the gemstore. It was their choice to not go with a diff monetisation.

    Correct. And it's their choice to put in the BL chests whatever they want.

  • JTGuevara.9018JTGuevara.9018 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 29, 2020

    ....that is not pay-to-win, that's cosmetic.

    Pay-to-win basically would be opening a black lion chest and getting a higher tier item above legendary with better stats. That does not happen.

    I repeat: Cosmetics is not pay-to-win!

    Now, loot boxes are a problem in and of themselves. It's a question of whether they should even be allowed in games in the first place. ANet's way, at the very least, deals only with cosmetics. As everyone says, other games abuse this system way worse.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Wait... they put precursors in black lion chests now?

    With an additional step, yes. The guaranteed item in the current chests is Gnashblade's Exotic Weapon Grab Bag, which gives 1 random exotic. According to the contents preview the possible drops include gen 1 precursors.

    I assume the drop rate for precursors is absurdly low (probably about the same as the Mystic Forge) so anyone looking to buy one with gems is better off converting them to gold to get it directly, but the end result is still that buying black lion keys could give you a precursor.

    OK thanks. Not as bad as I feared

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  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Last time i checked this wasnt the chinese server and moves like that really do give the wrong impression to players. You said there wouldnt be any p2w so then why are you giving ppl the precursor to the best items through paid lootboxes?

    Your ncsoft is showing...

    How is precursors Pay to Win? This game might have many things that are worth complaining and bringing attention to it, but this aint one of them...whats the diference between gambling with BLC and the Mystic Forge? What the diference in buying gems for keys and buying gems to gold and getting on the TP? Nobody in their right mind will open boxes for the precursors...and even if you got one, you still have to actually craft the Legendary weapon(which might be the one you dont even want it), mine Saven the Queen still rotting on my bank been years.

  • The flip side of this is to assert it is superior to never, EVER, put exotic weapons as a possible random drop from the chests. Because otherwise, there's a rare chance that exotic will be a precursor.

    I don't see a problem with the chests giving random exotic gear.

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  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    The flip side of this is to assert it is superior to never, EVER, put exotic weapons as a possible random drop from the chests. Because otherwise, there's a rare chance that exotic will be a precursor.

    I don't see a problem with the chests giving random exotic gear.

    I feel like this is more about tradewars. I received multiple pieces of ascended gear and an emote from the PVP/WVW bags. Not one post about those... The only difference, you can trade these.

  • yoni.7015yoni.7015 Member ✭✭✭

    This is not pay to win.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The drop rates are low anyway so it's hardly an issue.

    I had 17 keys saved up from weekly key runs and only 2 of the exotics I got from the 17 bags were worth over a gold.
    Most of the time you'll get trash exos that are only worth salvaging so I don't agree this was a bad move at all.
    You'll be very lucky to see pre's from them and it's definitely not worth buying keys for either.

  • Kurrilino.2706Kurrilino.2706 Member ✭✭✭

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    This BLC loot slot changes every few months. I think somewhere around winter they put PvP/WvW reward track tonics in it. Noone complains about that either, despite the fact that it let's you gain PvP / WvW exclusive skins and rewards like Gift of Battle without ever playing those modes.

    There are no Sub Fees, so I guess they somehow have to make money via the gem store. Really, that's not an issue.

    You are right, that's no the issue. The issue is they expose children to gambling addictions
    And yes, they have to make money............. what about an expansion every 6 month?

  • yoni.7015yoni.7015 Member ✭✭✭

    They don’t expose children to gambling addiction with that. This is nonsense.

  • Kurrilino.2706Kurrilino.2706 Member ✭✭✭

    @JTGuevara.9018 said:
    ....that is not pay-to-win, that's cosmetic.

    Pay-to-win basically would be opening a black lion chest and getting a higher tier item above legendary with better stats. That does not happen.

    I repeat: Cosmetics is not pay-to-win!

    Now, loot boxes are a problem in and of themselves. It's a question of whether they should even be allowed in games in the first place. ANet's way, at the very least, deals only with cosmetics. As everyone says, other games abuse this system way worse.

    Well yes and no,

    A precursor is not cosmetic in any meaning.
    It is an item you NEED to enter the end game content of crafting a legendary.
    Precursors are also high priced items and offering an easy way out doing gambling is the critical issue here.
    If they would have thrown random yellow or exotic meaningless weapons in there, nobody would care at all.

    So no, it's not pay to win but it highly encourages gambling to take a short cut.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kurrilino.2706 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    This BLC loot slot changes every few months. I think somewhere around winter they put PvP/WvW reward track tonics in it. Noone complains about that either, despite the fact that it let's you gain PvP / WvW exclusive skins and rewards like Gift of Battle without ever playing those modes.

    There are no Sub Fees, so I guess they somehow have to make money via the gem store. Really, that's not an issue.

    You are right, that's no the issue. The issue is they expose children to gambling addictions
    And yes, they have to make money............. what about an expansion every 6 month?

    Alright then, but this thread is not about gambling, it's about the precursors.

  • OutOfOrder.3719OutOfOrder.3719 Member ✭✭✭

    If the black lion chests were putting out ascended gear, then it would be more pay to win type scenario. But these are exotic drops, without “good” stats that are commonly used.

    This monthly item is a great way for new accounts to get exotic weapon unlocks. Most skins are worth a max of 1 gold anyway. Getting a precursor is hard enough to get, that probably won’t happen opening 25 chests or less.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I dont see how a skin is pay to win...

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Last time i checked this wasnt the chinese server and moves like that really do give the wrong impression to players.

    It's also super bad for the in-game ecomomy. 95% of exotics had already lost their former value long before this patch. Now it's going to get only worse.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's no more gambling than regular Exotic drops.

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 30, 2020

    You've always been able to get precursors for cash anyway. Even full legendaries. What's the most expensive precursor now? 700 gold? 2800 gems is $35, enough to get you any precursor in the game. By comparison you onliy have a small chance of getting a precursor from the current setup, which you can get by farming keys. This is a non-issue. It's not even the first time you could get a precursor from a black lion chest.

  • ShadowCatz.8437ShadowCatz.8437 Member ✭✭✭

    @mtpelion.4562 said:
    It would be more cost effective to convert cash into gems and then gems into coins, buy as many rare unidentified equipment bags as you can afford, and then open the bags and repeatedly use the Mystic Forge on the results in an attempt to obtain the precursors.

    This is more like "Pay to Lose".

    Why not actually use Gems to Coin and just buy those 1 gen Leggy directly then? There is no reason to play a loosing game if really just want those stats and maybe that skin for leggy...

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    I said this in one thread and I'll say it in this one:

    You people have completely diluted the meaning of pay to win. Great job. Our government is still going to do nothing about it.

    Bear in mind this game has an international audience. There is no such thing as "our government" in the context of GW2 players.

    Some countries already have put restrictions on loot boxes (although I think only one has actually affected GW2, Belgium if I remember correctly, where they're now banned). Some are considering changes to the law which may affect it, others have given no indication they're even considering it. I suspect it's going to get quite complicated in the next few years, although not really any different to all the varying laws on age ratings for games or running competitions, but it will be another thing developers have to consider when designing their games and deciding which markets to go for.

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  • mtpelion.4562mtpelion.4562 Member ✭✭✭

    @ShadowCatz.8437 said:

    @mtpelion.4562 said:
    It would be more cost effective to convert cash into gems and then gems into coins, buy as many rare unidentified equipment bags as you can afford, and then open the bags and repeatedly use the Mystic Forge on the results in an attempt to obtain the precursors.

    This is more like "Pay to Lose".

    Why not actually use Gems to Coin and just buy those 1 gen Leggy directly then? There is no reason to play a loosing game if really just want those stats and maybe that skin for leggy...

    You definitely SHOULD do that over buying lootboxes. I was just pointing out how inefficient getting a precursor is via the lootbox as compared to other inefficient methods in game already. If you're buying keys to get a precursor, you're doing everything wrong (i.e. paying to lose).

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Everybody should remember the one phrase that absolves everybody of wrongdoings, in many many cases;

    "It's immoral, but it's not illegal".

    Thief OP? Better nerf Scourge ... again.
    Hashtag BlameMcLain

  • Azreell.1568Azreell.1568 Member ✭✭

    @Svarty.8019 said:
    Everybody should remember the one phrase that absolves everybody of wrongdoings, in many many cases;

    "It's immoral, but it's not illegal".

    Morality is subjective in many things.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:
    Everybody should remember the one phrase that absolves everybody of wrongdoings, in many many cases;

    "It's immoral, but it's not illegal".

    Morality is subjective in many things.

    To a degree. But I wouldn't say that is an absolute truth, either.

    Thief OP? Better nerf Scourge ... again.
    Hashtag BlameMcLain

  • kratan.4619kratan.4619 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kurrilino.2706 said:

    You are right, that's no the issue. The issue is they expose children to gambling addictions
    And yes, they have to make money............. what about an expansion every 6 month?

    Parents need to be the ones who are monitoring what their children are doing. They need to be the ones to teach their children about what is right or wrong. That is not Anet's job. I love the ability to buy keys and open chests and it should not be impeded by bad parenting.