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Vermilion Wings Are Causing Performance Issues For Everyone Who Plays The Game

Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited August 19, 2020 in Bugs: Game, Forum, Website

I thought I was the only one; however, on another platform, I saw others are having the same issue. I hope the performance issue can be fixed. I love the wings and the visual effects as they are.

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  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's a shame. I spent a lot of money for a back piece that drops 10-20 frames per second. I love the wings. I even bragged about them; however, the jarring performance drop is another level of optimized.

  • CDBeauty.3691CDBeauty.3691 Member ✭✭
    edited August 10, 2020

    I usually have around 30, that's without any fancy graphic settings at all. When I have a full view of someones wings on my screen it drops down to 8 FPS and in DR Ive even reached 4 FPS :D It is really a shame because people love the wings and some spent a lot of money to get them! And now in some areas when we are packed together I can't even move normally so what the hell? Why lwoering the complexity and graphic settings doesn't affect some items like it does others?

  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My friends and I did some thorough testing.

    I lose about 30 frames with Mesmer Clones.
    I lose about 5 frames for ever other player that uses the back piece.

    If I use a back pieces, it will significantly hurt all other players near me. Each additional player also lowers frames further. This is the only back piece that doe sit.

    They use the new effect (sames as the Skyscale that hurts frames). This should never be used.
    Primeval effect has 0 hit on performance and would give the same effect
    Older flame effect has 0 hit on performance and would give a similar effect

    This item alone is ruining everyones experience.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I feel kind of bad. I have been using the wings and not noticed any performance issues on my end.

    I love how they look. But knowing they are negatively impacting people who aren't using high end PCs makes me feel like I am somehow wrong for using them.

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  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2020

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:
    I feel kind of bad. I have been using the wings and not noticed any performance issues on my end.

    I love how they look. But knowing they are negatively impacting people who aren't using high end PCs makes me feel like I am somehow wrong for using them.

    I guarantee they are lowering your frame rate as well. An easy test is to have a spare back piece in your bank/inventory with a different look. You will need to open your graphic panel and your equipment panel. In the equipment panel go back and forth. Watch your frames change. If you have a Mesmer user a clone and watch how each clone with the backpack lowers your frames further. Already 20 people on Reddit have tested and are complaining about the same thing.

    I have the beefiest computer in my controlled test of 8 people,. Friends willing to take the time to show the impact. I am incredibly sensitive to FPS changes, so I instantly pick up on it. For me personally, anything under 60 frames causes me to be sick. I constantly drop below that threshold now. Before this backpack 80 frames was my low. I have also tested on a fresh clean install. Our group tested using any other back piece in a secluded area and our frames all went up significantly.

    Our group all confirmed that one person using the wings lowered everyone's frame rate.

    I have a i9900K, 32GB Fast Ram, 2080 Super, and one of the fastest NVME drives you can find.

    Note: I spent $$$ for this... The performance impact is so bad I can't even use it on a high-end machine.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Josiah.2967 said:

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:
    I feel kind of bad. I have been using the wings and not noticed any performance issues on my end.

    I love how they look. But knowing they are negatively impacting people who aren't using high end PCs makes me feel like I am somehow wrong for using them.

    I guarantee they are lowering your frame rate as well. An easy test is to have a spare back piece in your bank/inventory with a different look. You will need to open your graphic panel and your equipment panel. In the equipment panel go back and forth. Watch your frames change. If you have a Mesmer user a clone and watch how each clone with the backpack lowers your frames further. Already 20 people on Reddit have tested and are complaining about the same thing.

    I have the beefiest computer in my controlled test of 8 people,. Friends willing to take the time to show the impact. I am incredibly sensitive to FPS changes, so I instantly pick up on it. For me personally, anything under 60 frames causes me to be sick. I constantly drop below that threshold now. Before this backpack 80 frames was my low. I have also tested on a fresh clean install. Our group tested using any other back piece in a secluded area and our frames all went up significantly.

    Our group all confirmed that one person using the wings lowered everyone's frame rate.

    I have a i9900K, 32GB Fast Ram, 2080 Super, and one of the fastest NVME drives you can find.

    Note: I spent $$$ for this... The performance impact is so bad I can't even use it on a high-end machine.

    I just tested saw pretty much no change, I am talking less than 5 fps of a change. Not nearly as bad as I have seen people saying it is for them.

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  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:

    @Josiah.2967 said:

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:
    I feel kind of bad. I have been using the wings and not noticed any performance issues on my end.

    I love how they look. But knowing they are negatively impacting people who aren't using high end PCs makes me feel like I am somehow wrong for using them.

    I guarantee they are lowering your frame rate as well. An easy test is to have a spare back piece in your bank/inventory with a different look. You will need to open your graphic panel and your equipment panel. In the equipment panel go back and forth. Watch your frames change. If you have a Mesmer user a clone and watch how each clone with the backpack lowers your frames further. Already 20 people on Reddit have tested and are complaining about the same thing.

    I have the beefiest computer in my controlled test of 8 people,. Friends willing to take the time to show the impact. I am incredibly sensitive to FPS changes, so I instantly pick up on it. For me personally, anything under 60 frames causes me to be sick. I constantly drop below that threshold now. Before this backpack 80 frames was my low. I have also tested on a fresh clean install. Our group tested using any other back piece in a secluded area and our frames all went up significantly.

    Our group all confirmed that one person using the wings lowered everyone's frame rate.

    I have a i9900K, 32GB Fast Ram, 2080 Super, and one of the fastest NVME drives you can find.

    Note: I spent $$$ for this... The performance impact is so bad I can't even use it on a high-end machine.

    I just tested saw pretty much no change, I am talking less than 5 fps of a change. Not nearly as bad as I have seen people saying it is for them.

    It might depend on your settings. I'm on a 1440P Ultra Wide. My 4K friend seem to have similar drop in performance per set of wings.

  • can also attest to this... finally got the wings after maybe 27 keys, upon equipping them i immediately dropped about 20 frames. had been having random FPS issues before this too but thought it was just the new half of Drizzlewood causing it...

  • Kron.2351Kron.2351 Member ✭✭

    We did a lot more testings with my guild and this issue really affects game experience hard!
    Single mesmer using this backpack cause FPS drops by 10-30 depends of system configuration for most people game become just unplayable because their FPS drops below 10 sometimes. We can't force all people stop using that backpack which result in slideshows for big number of users whether it is open world, wvw or instance content.
    How can we address this issue to ArenaNet? I already have two proposals how it can be fixed, which described in my earlier post: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/111366/vermilion-wings-and-other-auras-and-skins-result-in-huge-fps-drops-in-all-game-modes#latest
    1) Some king of optimization (but I doubt that this is possible or easy to implement in short time)
    2) Add options to disable player auras\effects\back-items-skins like it done to armor and weapon glamour (this option will be the best in my opinion as it will help most number of people either in open world or WvW, there are a lot of other items which cause FPS drops and can't be disabled or hided)
    We are getting more glamour each patch but no real optimizations which we really need now!

  • Josiah.2967Josiah.2967 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kron.2351 said:
    We did a lot more testings with my guild and this issue really affects game experience hard!
    Single mesmer using this backpack cause FPS drops by 10-30 depends of system configuration for most people game become just unplayable because their FPS drops below 10 sometimes. We can't force all people stop using that backpack which result in slideshows for big number of users whether it is open world, wvw or instance content.
    How can we address this issue to ArenaNet? I already have two proposals how it can be fixed, which described in my earlier post: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/111366/vermilion-wings-and-other-auras-and-skins-result-in-huge-fps-drops-in-all-game-modes#latest
    1) Some king of optimization (but I doubt that this is possible or easy to implement in short time)
    2) Add options to disable player auras\effects\back-items-skins like it done to armor and weapon glamour (this option will be the best in my opinion as it will help most number of people either in open world or WvW, there are a lot of other items which cause FPS drops and can't be disabled or hided)
    We are getting more glamour each patch but no real optimizations which we really need now!

    Thank you for taking the time to test. It is always great to have more data!

    Regarding option 1, if my theory is correct, this should be relatively easy to do. The only items that use the new flame effect which cause the issue is the Incarnate Flame and the Vermilion Wings. These two items cause huge performance issues when compared to all other options. Simply changing that flame effect to the old way of doing flames or the primeval effect could accomplish a similar (most wouldn't recognize the difference) look for the back piece. We already have other back pieces that use those effects without any performance issues.

    In my opinion, they should never use the new flames in their current state.

  • I drop a ton of frames when using these, love the look though :(

  • Same issue here with Incarnate Flame skin. Normally I get around 30-40 constant FPS on "best appearance" settings with my bootcamped Macbook Pro 16, even in difficult environments with many players (okay... 25 in full metas). However, as soon as I mount up I lose like 5-10 FPS and when I make fast movements such as quickly changing direction and dashing twice in a row it drops for a while to around 15 FPS. I have to set Shaders to low, this gives me around 60 FPS, with drops to 20-30 when using the skin and doing some quick movements. It ruins my feeling from the skin so much that I prefer the normal skyscale. With normal skyscale there are no drops no matter what crazy movements I do. It's like I can literally see "okay, now there's a TON of flame/smoke particles to be computed" when the lags happen. Please do sth about this - reduce the visual effect or introduce a setting which can reduce/disable it.

  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    I have the wings and have noticed no difference on a i3770, nVidia960FTW.
    Remember AMD graphics is not the end-all. They inherited ATI + Cardinal crummy code.

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  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 24, 2020

    Note, the performance drop with these wings and the Skyscale doesn't occur on DXVK, and I imagine not on dx12pxy either (though untested). This means its something about how modern graphics cards are handling the DX9 shaders for the skins.

    The devs really need better testing environments, it seems.

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  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 24, 2020

    Seriously wt f! How can a back piece cause this much harm to self and others?

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  • @keenedge.9675 said:
    I have the wings and have noticed no difference on a i3770, nVidia960FTW.
    Remember AMD graphics is not the end-all. They inherited ATI + Cardinal crummy code.

    I also have no performance drops from the Wings. In fact, sometimes my FPS goes up. (GTX 1050)

  • TheAgedGnome.7520TheAgedGnome.7520 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2020

    (i5-9600K 3.7GHz & nVidia GTX1660)

    With ~63 fps with no back item, I notice that displaying the vermillion wings will drop fps to ~47-50 if I am zoomed in somewhat close to the back of my character. If I am zoomed out (i.e., far behind my character), then the fps does not drop. Interestingly, if I am zoomed in close to the front of my character, then the fps is ~58-60 with the wings displayed.

    For a comparison, the Wyrm's Breath Cape, despite having animation, does not affect my fps at all.

  • Kron.2351Kron.2351 Member ✭✭

    I recorded one more video:
    Problem exists and it still here, I did more tests with my guild mates who have this wings and results are similar, I can create more videos later if needed, system configuration doesn't matter every setup experience fps drops.

  • Kron.2351Kron.2351 Member ✭✭
    edited September 9, 2020

    Today I did few raids on my chrono with this wings and everyone complain that they had unusual FPS drops but almost no one guess that it was because of wings.
    People just unaware that just skin can result in such big issue. Here screen from my last raid where one person was aware about this problem. So it seems many people experience this problem but don't know that root cause JUST Shiny SKIN!

  • Kron.2351Kron.2351 Member ✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    I create one more video: as you can see "Burning aura" on this wings buggy itself you can see same effect on new skyscale https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Incarnate_Flame which also result in FPS drops. I have model limit and quality on lowest and it's not affect wings - quick fix could be disable backpacks as well when you set lowest quality for models.

  • Aeon.4583Aeon.4583 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    I did suggest it many times over, solution to this problem will be Character Model Limit - None.
    Means only NPC's model will be loaded and only targeted character model ( ally or hostile ), depending on Character Model Quality setting.
    Also i've noted many times that on top of Basic character model, backpack weapons infusion's effects still loading, making Basic Character model to be irrelevant. Not a single armor set can create such amount of particles as legendary weapons+backpack+overstacked infusion effects.

    To notice players around and their movements we have nameplates.

  • Kron.2351Kron.2351 Member ✭✭

    Are there any updates? This problem has been around for over two months already. New Vermilion chair don't have this problem even it have simillar fire effect but it's static so it's animation issue I guess? And fun fact I played with this wings a lot in raids and people always complained about FPS drops but noone respond here people always blamed servers while real problem is wings.

  • I think Performance is not a key anymore, shinies prevail.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nightspeaker_Wings_Backpack this wings have the same problem :angry:

  • I honestly can't believe this bug has been around for months and hasn't been fixed, I am gonna start following anet around when they are streaming using that skin as a chrono so I can spam a billion of clones and make their fps get absurdly low. Maybe that way they will fix the performance issues that they have introduced.

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  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    I have a GTX960, i3-3770, 32GB RAM running Win7 and I wear a Vermillion back. There is no FPS change on any map wearing it or not.

    We've seen certain video cards have issues with some graphics combinations in the past. I think someone should organize the complaints and look for a commonality.

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  • I don't have any FPS issues with the wings, either. In fact, when I move the camera closer to someone wearing the wings, my FPS increases.

    Today, I acquired the wings for myself; again, no FPS issues, whatsoever.

  • Here is another video of the problem (not mine), it's clear that the wings are causing heavy performance issues which should have been fixed months ago. Although not everyone seems to be experiencing the issue.

    For me on WvW whenever I get to an area where a mesmer is fighting using the wings my fps gets decreased by 20 instantly, in WvW/PvP I have the option to turn on standard models which fix the issue, but I don't have this option in PvE (I wish I had).

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  • Confirming performance impact. Maybe they should be renamed Powerpoint Slideshow Wings.