Jeknar.6184 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 This already been said many times and you are problably already tired of reading this, but before you completely dismiss this thread hear me out.When the links were first implemented, Darkhaven was one of the 12 host servers. However, at one week, Arena Net decided to try a 4-Link Server With CD as host and a 3-link server with SF as Host, while DH was stuck in the same match for 5 weeks as a 2-link despite the obvious population disparity, thanks to glicko never allowing CD to move out (Which required Manual Glicko adjustments). On the following week Darkhaven was stripped from it's Host Server status in favor of Crystal Desert because that server had leeched enough glicko rating to become #12 in the servers ladder.But look at the situation now. Crystal Desert never thrive unless it have 2 links with it, and is problably the lowest population Host as it been the only one open for the entirety of the current link. While Darkhaven, currently a Guest Server, is marked as Very High (Same as CD and a few other hosts that were previously Full) and the only guest server in that condition.I feel it is time to strip CD from a status they never deserved (Which only occured because of the 4-link and T4 glicko Fiasco) and return Darkhaven what is rightfully theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolve.2916 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Not enough evidence. I suggest death match vs cd for title of weakest host server. Both servers enter only one server exits with its name. The losing server shall forever be known as either Darkhaven jr , or Crystal Desert jr. match lasts for 2 days. Friday - Sunday . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermillion.4061 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yak's Bend - Tier 3 NA 79643Seafarer's Rest - Tier 3 EU 79022Baruch Bay [sP] - Tier 1 EU 78766Desolation - Tier 3 EU 76873Stormbluff Isle - Tier 4 NA 75018Vabbi - Tier 2 EU 72587Henge of Denravi - Tier 3 NA 72342Maguuma - Tier 1 NA 71674Dragonbrand - Tier 1 NA 70841Drakkar Lake [DE] - Tier 4 EU 70152Northern Shiverpeaks - Tier 2 NA 69749Augury Rock [FR] - Tier 5 EU 67105Tarnished Coast - Tier 4 NA 66326Sea of Sorrows - Tier 2 NA 65340Kodash [DE] - Tier 5 EU 64312Blackgate - Tier 1 NA 64158Fort Aspenwood - Tier 3 NA 61954Jade Quarry - Tier 2 NA 61871Elona Reach [DE] - Tier 5 EU 61500Crystal Desert - Tier 4 NA 58948Top 6 are EU, but they do get an 8-9 hour headstartThat's activity, kills+deathsGive back DH's host status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostwolve.2916 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yaks bend must have built a million arrow carts by now with that much activityActivity doesn't really take everything into account. Such as links and willingness of other servers to fight. Like I said while I may agree with you. You can't really tell unless the two servers faced off without links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 That was alittle screwy if you ask me, and if memory serves correctly it was only the second link. It's almost like someone wasn't happy with the top 12 and decided to correct it, because no guest has been host since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyShroud.2865 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 If DH is truly a host server size then SBI won't be in tier 4, why would two host servers qualified link be in T4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Unless you have actual numbers, I don't think it's possible to even speculate as to which world "deserves" host status. My guess is that the cutoff point is made to allow maximum flexibility in mixing/matching non-hosts with hosts so that all combined forces bring roughly the same size crowds to each tier. That probably means that the lowest-pop host isn't all that much more 'crowded' than the highest-pop linked world. And that will feel "arbitrary", even thought it's not.You want DH to become a host again? Well stop petitioning ANet about it and use your powers of persuasion to get folks to move to DH. ANet decides based on the numbers, not based on our preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff McKenna Berdrow.2759 Posted October 19, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted October 19, 2017 It is based on play hours and populations. Crystal Desert has a higher population and play hours than Darkhaven and that is why they are a host world and Darkhaven isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aandiarie.7195 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I see people who afk at spawn for hrs. I really hope they aren't counted toward the play hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 @aandiarie.7195 said:I see people who afk at spawn for hrs. I really hope they aren't counted toward the play hours.I would assume they are since I don't think Arena Net have a reliably way to gauge who is actively playing and who is AFK farming pips... That would explain all the Full (Now listed as Very High) Host servers who can barely get out of T4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatemaster.3590 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 @McKenna Berdrow.2759 said:It is based on play hours and populations. Crystal Desert has a higher population and play hours than Darkhaven and that is why they are a host world and Darkhaven isn't. That's interesting that glicko doesn't really matter at all anymore, so I guess that means if one of the T1 servers were to quit suddenly for a month they'd lose host status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 All you need to do for Darkhaven is get a bunch of people to put in a ton of overtime hours until the server goes Full then become a host. ;) Care not to get within 10% of BG's population though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 So they calculate the playtime of guests as well? Fancy, if they could differentiate between guests and host in that matter, why are guests still wearing host tags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermillion.4061 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 @McKenna Berdrow.2759 said:It is based on play hours and populations. Crystal Desert has a higher population and play hours than Darkhaven and that is why they are a host world and Darkhaven isn't. Would it be possible to have it show the linked server instead of the host server above the player model only if they are on that server of course. :open_mouth: It would give the linked servers a sense that they matter and are actually shown in game and not just as the host server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rising Dusk.2408 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 @Vermillion.4061 said:Would it be possible to have it show the linked server instead of the host server above the player model only if they are on that server of course. :open_mouth:I'm sure it's possible, but it would make combat extremely confusing when everyone is boasting a different server in their name. I think the current implementation is fine in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff McKenna Berdrow.2759 Posted October 19, 2017 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted October 19, 2017 @Vermillion.4061 said:@McKenna Berdrow.2759 said:It is based on play hours and populations. Crystal Desert has a higher population and play hours than Darkhaven and that is why they are a host world and Darkhaven isn't. Would it be possible to have it show the linked server instead of the host server above the player model only if they are on that server of course. :open_mouth: It would give the linked servers a sense that they matter and are actually shown in game and not just as the host server.We have no plans for this at this time. We don't want there to be confusion on what team you are on or who you are fighting against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I don't see nameplates anyway unless have a target, just colored triangles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 @Fatemaster.3590 said:@McKenna Berdrow.2759 said:It is based on play hours and populations. Crystal Desert has a higher population and play hours than Darkhaven and that is why they are a host world and Darkhaven isn't. That's interesting that glicko doesn't really matter at all anymore, so I guess that means if one of the T1 servers were to quit suddenly for a month they'd lose host status.Hibergating to become Guest?:scream: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasoncecool.9734 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 It is I, your boi IrryConsidering the fact that Henge of Denravi, Northern Shiverpeaks, Dragonbrand & Crystal Desert are as of this last Monday all same population, I personally doubt any server will actually change from a host to a link. RIP the dream! The only thing you can count on them manually adjusting it. FA JA MAG and BG will ever open so bested get used to the idea Darkhaven will forever be a link. Really now linked with Dragonbrand for 6 months. Ded Memes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeknar.6184 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 @iwasoncecool.9734 said:It is I, your boi IrryConsidering the fact that Henge of Denravi, Northern Shiverpeaks, Dragonbrand & Crystal Desert are as of this last Monday all same population, I personally doubt any server will actually change from a host to a link. RIP the dream! The only thing you can count on them manually adjusting it. FA JA MAG and BG will ever open so bested get used to the idea Darkhaven will forever be a link. Really now linked with Dragonbrand for 6 months. Ded Memes.The fact that these servers are all listed in the same population as Darkhaven is just as ironic as all the "Full" servers that have no chance to compete with Blackgate even when they have links.I wish it were easier to tell how active is a certain server, but the only metric we have are the population list for the transfer cost, and we all know this list don't really tell us the whole truth (Special LUL at Tarnished Coast being full as second to last in T4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 @Jeknar.6184 said:(Special LUL at Tarnished Coast being full as second to last in T4)"Full" I think now means something like the size and coverage of a rank 6 (bottom of T2) server before the population calculation change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramlush.9160 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I've said before that I think tactivators should only be pulled by Silver world rank or higher, I think people should be judged as guests or regular players by that if possible. It's just a suggestion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primatos.5413 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 why not show a new name given to linked servers .. ? like ..idk .. overstacked siegegods or else but seriously coldn´t that accomplish things a little maybe ? ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Some people still use the old nameplates, which all enemies are red named anyways. But the problem will develop when you make callouts.JQ callout: 10 ET swt 2 catas... wait is that ET with NSP or SoS? is that red or green? When it comes down to it what server is it really doesn't matter, it's 10 enemies at swt, but it will be confusing since players have been using server names to identify enemies and gauge the level of threat, and how fast you need to respond. Matchups have anywhere from 3-7 servers involved. System doesn't need to be more complicated than 3 teams.It sucks for lower tier servers, but frankly your communities were dying before links, and they weren't going to grow unless you managed to attract a bandwagon. I'm sorry, it's harsh, but's it's reality.If you want to be in the top 12 then boost your server activity, as it's measured by individual servers, it's what they use to determine world sizes at relinks.... not glicko as some people seemed to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoEWas.1409 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Only anet knows how they do things and they keep a pretty tight lip on population and it's controls (or lack thereof). I was surprised they let out what they did in the AMA about population, (personally I don't believe they even pay attention to it as much as we would like to think. To the extent where it's only as far as running an algorithm, spitting out a percentage on notepad, then they go in and change some values). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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