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Is Deeply Discounted Fractal Encryption Key worth it?

Syiic.3724Syiic.3724 Member ✭✭

Hi guys, im couldn't found a posting on this. Im sure there probably was.

Is Deeply Discounted Fractal Encryption Key worth it if I have my own Encryption from dailies? I also have the resourcing resourcing mastery.

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Hi guys,

After some trials, i think deeply discounted keys (first 30) is not worth it. I open 300 keys (first 30s) and found that it was better to just sell the Encryptions. Just open encryption with keys you get from fractal dailies.

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  • Definitely. Opening fractal encryptions and selling the junk always results in a gold profit.

  • Syiic.3724Syiic.3724 Member ✭✭

    Is there a website that shows the math?

  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes, only the first 30. So worth it in fact, that people buy Fractal Encryption boxes from the TP if they have spares of that first 30.

    Check out the fable of the Boiling Frog.

  • Schimmi.6872Schimmi.6872 Member ✭✭✭

    @Syiic.3724 said:
    Is there a website that shows the math?

    I don't know if there is one that shows the math, but there is at least one that shows the result - https://silverwastes.loltools.net/

  • @Syiic.3724 said:
    Is there a website that shows the math?

    Assuming:

    • T4 + Recs Completed Daily
    • Fractal Mastery Maxed Out prior to opening
    • Buy the 30 Deeply Discounted Keys/Day (6g cost)

    Average Profit for opened Fractal Encryptions: ~14g/Day _
    Min-Max Range for Profit: _~3g to ~48g/Day

    Remember that with a semi-competent group, CM+T4+Recs only takes about 1.5 hrs.

    Average Profit Math

    I use this as a guideline:

    Just in junk, you (can) make 423.45g per 1,000 Encryptions. Works out to 42s34c per opened Encryption. Using this as a baseline for subsequent calculations.

    This does not include:

    • all of the extra drops from encryption (Trophies, Aetherized weapon skins)
    • extra keys from Fractal Encryptions (10% chance/encryption with Mastery)
    • Ascended Mats (Deldrimor, Spiritwood, etc) from Daily Chests that can add 3g alone to the profit.
    • Ascended Chests from dailies help you in the long run because you're not spending money on gearing characters.
    • Drops from the Fractals themselves.

    42s34c (Video) - 20s (Deeply Discounted Key)= 22s34c profit/Encryption opened with Keys. At 30 Keys/Day = 6g70s20c
    15 Keys/Day from Dailies (T4 + Recs) = 15 * 42s34c = 6g35s10c
    Roughly 50 Encryptions/Day (varies) - 45 Opened = 5 Leftover * 21s95c (Current TP Price) - 15% (TP Tax) = 93s28c/day Profit

    TOTALS: 6g70s20c + 6g35s10c + 93s28c = 13g98s58c

    If you only use the keys and sell leftover, you're looking at about 14g Profit per day. on average.

    Min-Max Range Profit Math

    Looking at the research table: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cracked_Fractal_Encryption/research the lowest you can get per Encryption is 1 Postulate (20s each) and the Highest you can get is 2 Manuscripts (60s each = 1.2g)

    • 1 Postulate/Encryption is the Lowest Profit = 0.2g/Encryption * 45 keys/day - 6g Buying 30 Keys = 3g Profit Minimum
    • 2 Manuscripts/Encryption is the Highets Profit = 1.2g/Encryption * 45 keys/day - 6g Buying 30 Keys = 48g Profit Maximum
  • Syiic.3724Syiic.3724 Member ✭✭

    @Geoff Fey.1035 said:

    @Syiic.3724 said:
    Is there a website that shows the math?

    Assuming:

    • T4 + Recs Completed Daily
    • Fractal Mastery Maxed Out prior to opening
    • Buy the 30 Deeply Discounted Keys/Day (6g cost)

    Average Profit for opened Fractal Encryptions: ~14g/Day _
    Min-Max Range for Profit: _~3g to ~48g/Day

    Remember that with a semi-competent group, CM+T4+Recs only takes about 1.5 hrs.

    Average Profit Math

    I use this as a guideline:

    Just in junk, you (can) make 423.45g per 1,000 Encryptions. Works out to 42s34c per opened Encryption. Using this as a baseline for subsequent calculations.

    This does not include:

    • all of the extra drops from encryption (Trophies, Aetherized weapon skins)
    • extra keys from Fractal Encryptions (10% chance/encryption with Mastery)
    • Ascended Mats (Deldrimor, Spiritwood, etc) from Daily Chests that can add 3g alone to the profit.
    • Ascended Chests from dailies help you in the long run because you're not spending money on gearing characters.
    • Drops from the Fractals themselves.

    42s34c (Video) - 20s (Deeply Discounted Key)= 22s34c profit/Encryption opened with Keys. At 30 Keys/Day = 6g70s20c
    15 Keys/Day from Dailies (T4 + Recs) = 15 * 42s34c = 6g35s10c
    Roughly 50 Encryptions/Day (varies) - 45 Opened = 5 Leftover * 21s95c (Current TP Price) - 15% (TP Tax) = 93s28c/day Profit

    TOTALS: 6g70s20c + 6g35s10c + 93s28c = 13g98s58c

    If you only use the keys and sell leftover, you're looking at about 14g Profit per day. on average.

    Min-Max Range Profit Math

    Looking at the research table: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cracked_Fractal_Encryption/research the lowest you can get per Encryption is 1 Postulate (20s each) and the Highest you can get is 2 Manuscripts (60s each = 1.2g)

    • 1 Postulate/Encryption is the Lowest Profit = 0.2g/Encryption * 45 keys/day - 6g Buying 30 Keys = 3g Profit Minimum
    • 2 Manuscripts/Encryption is the Highets Profit = 1.2g/Encryption * 45 keys/day - 6g Buying 30 Keys = 48g Profit Maximum

    Wow! Thanks for the breakdown. I really appreciate it! People will find this very useful!

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Keep in mind that it'll put a slight reduction in your Fractal Relics profit if that's what you're after (Fractal Capacitor, Gift of Ascension, etc.). Its only 30 Relics/day, but that's even more work you have to do to save them without converting Pristines.

    This is of course only an issue for newer players still working on the basics.

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  • Xentera.4560Xentera.4560 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2020

    First 30 keys are always worth it. The question is: Do you want to gamble and buy keys for 25s?

  • Below is an extract of my personal profit for both the 1st data and 2nd 30 keys just vendoring junk.
    About
    7g net profit for 1st 30 keys
    5g net profit for 2nd 30 keys

    https://imgur.com/4X8QwVG

  • @meowmasker.3718 said:
    Below is an extract of my personal profit for both the 1st data and 2nd 30 keys just vendoring junk.
    About
    7g net profit for 1st 30 keys
    5g net profit for 2nd 30 keys

    https://imgur.com/4X8QwVG

    Is this profit included with the cost of keys and potential of earnings from selling Encryptions?

  • Goal was to quickly assess profitability of the roughly four sources of keys
    by tracking gold (from vendoring junk), ascended recipes, fractal keys, fractal relics bags, and AR+1 from cracked encryptions --assuming rates do not change with time.

    Net is after cost of 2000cu keys.

    No accounting for potential earnings from selling the encryption. But assuming keys, relics, and AR+1 are 0 profit, then encryptions can be assumed to sell for ~2097300.85=5.35g and thus be more profitable than opening with a 2nd set of keys which is 5g.
    I generally don't get the 2nd set since my basic net profit from the 2nd set is only 37% of of "free" keys from chests & cracked encryptions.