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  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Samurai thief elite with gsword please

  • I havent been this hyped since PoF. I loved cantha in gw1 cant wait to go back and see how its changed.

  • Balsa.3951Balsa.3951 Member ✭✭✭

    @Silvercyclone.1462 said:
    2 things wrong. In Cantha they booted out all the humans so only 1/5 of the playable races will be welcome. The other thing is we still have to deal with Primordus so its not the End of Dragons unless we fight them both at once. Taimi's machine put Primordus and Jormag to sleep but Jormag woke up so we are dealing with him now.

    Anet hinted a lot that Fire is Jormags weakness I guess we end up with both Dragons Killing each other OR Jormag tricks us into killing Primordus to become a Ice Fire Dragon (there is a Ice fire outfit in game right now)
    the death of 2 more dragons will free a lot magic and Aurene starts her journey to rebuilt the circle of Dragons by finding other Dragons like her slumbering in eggs

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A cycle is reborn - So perhaps this is implying replacements for current dragons. I'm not sure what happens with Primordus and Jormag but I suppose it's possible they kill each other, and the DSD is already dead with Albax taking its place or is about to die with Albax taking its place. Perhaps it's about all of the CURRENT elder dragons dying and a new cycle of new dragons ascending.

    Personally I think DSD is already defeated and implied by the teaser, and Kunavang and Albax are debating the cycle as it currently stands with Albax being in favor of the cycle. How this pertains to the current living story I'm not sure. Do Primordus and Jormag defeat each other and Aurene temporarily tries to hold the balance while we go to Cantha to seek more replacements?

    There's also Shiny, who seems to have been intentionally left out of the Djinn raid. So with that we have Aurene, Albax, Shiny, Kunavang.
    I feel like the dragon we're seeing in this teaser is Albax and Kunavang is either off screen with Aurene being the blue lights flowing through the different scenes or we're witnessing Kunavang's perspective.

    The eyes looking up at the end from the dragon, (the one advocating for the cycle and its necessity is the one saying "they need me") implies that it is the one advocating for the cycle, in which case Kunavang is the one we're NOT seeing. The only thing that makes this feel a little less likely to be Kunavang is the transition of the Jade Sea and temple to the dragon flying up from the sea.

    As far as the story goes it feels like the next step would be the revised Utopian lore from the art book and perhaps finally getting more info on the gods and Lyssa that's been teased.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So much hype! :)

  • For the release of Cantha, I hope we get a shiny new canthan themed Skyscale skin. Chinese dragon skin.

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  • trixantea.1230trixantea.1230 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    Cantha existed long before Blizzard made panda land

    it was actually the first GW i bought and played back in 2006 after leaving WoW, then I went back and bought prophecies

    The Pandaren and Pandaria were first introduced in Warcraft III TFT expansion (2003) while GW1 Factions got released in 2006.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @trixantea.1230 said:

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    Cantha existed long before Blizzard made panda land

    it was actually the first GW i bought and played back in 2006 after leaving WoW, then I went back and bought prophecies

    The Pandaren and Pandaria were first introduced in Warcraft III TFT expansion (2003) while GW1 Factions got released in 2006.

    that's just in text, nothing materialised though to give you any look at what the land looks like

    there are plenty of Asian fantasy MMOs long before any of these

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    Praise the Inevitable Eternal Transcendent King Palawa Ignacious Joko, the Beloved and Feared Undying Eternal Monarch of All !!!
    ... til Aurene ate him for dessert 😭
  • trixantea.1230trixantea.1230 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    Cantha existed long before Blizzard made panda land

    it was actually the first GW i bought and played back in 2006 after leaving WoW, then I went back and bought prophecies

    The Pandaren and Pandaria were first introduced in Warcraft III TFT expansion (2003) while GW1 Factions got released in 2006.

    that's just in text, nothing materialised though to give you any look at what the land looks like

    there are plenty of Asian fantasy MMOs long before any of these

    The first concept of Pandaria wasn't any different from what people imagined when Chen got introduced in Warcraft 3: A land with Chinese culture and spirtual Kong-Fu people living in it.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
    For the release of Cantha, I hope we get a shiny new canthan themed Skyscale skin. Chinese dragon skin.

    skyscale?

    NAH! we are gonna get a new mount, Kuunavang and Albax have been making babies while we were chilling out in Tyria, and it's a gonna be a mount that can both fly and swim

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    ... til Aurene ate him for dessert 😭
  • Dondarrion.2748Dondarrion.2748 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    @Donari.5237 said:
    If you look at the tag at the end of the video, it says "The cycle is reborn." Which suggests a reset more than an end.

    Also in the trailer, the dialog suggests this cycle (as the tagline says itself) has repeated before. Some cataclysmic event will unfold, like it did in the past, and the world will go on but man's memory of it will fade until the next cycle comes to the same point. And Kuunavang and the other character will most likely be on the same side - or maybe either side - of us mortals to see an end to this current cycle with Elder Dragons, and probably sacrifice their lives at the same time, until they too will be reborn when the next cycle requires them too.

    Unknown: "Mortals are little flames. Brilliant, hot, then gone. Those who face eternity easily forget what a lifetime means. What an ending means."
    Kuunavang: "You know it doesn't have to be this way."
    Unknown: "No, Kuunavang, it does. They need me."

    Could the unknown be Albax?

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  • Adzekul.3104Adzekul.3104 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    Remember how, when we killed Kralkatorik, the last thing he said was "Mother ..." as if he was calling to her? Speculation follows .... Maybe the elder dragons are not the top beings on the planet. Maybe they all were children of a pair of higher dragons.

    And maybe for the cycle to renew, there need to be a new set of parent elder dragons (hypothetically a king and a queen), to create the "next generation" of elder dragon siblings. Maybe Aurene is the new "elder dragon queen / mother" and "some other elder dragon" is the father and they create a new family of elder dragons who share their magic with the world. Maybe this time, the elder dragons are not the plague or negative force that Zaitan, Mordremoth, Kralkatorik, etc. were.

    So if this theory is true, then who will be the "father / king"? Or will there be, potentially, a non-traditional pair (i.e. 2 females - one of them being Aurene and the other possibly being Kuunavang) in line with Arenanet's LGBTQ+ friendly philosophies? So many possibilities to consider.

  • Does this mean after this expac the game will start to move towards the end as you work towards a new game? Or do you plan on updating it continuously and maybe rename the game and do major system updates to bring it back into the modern age? Perhaps something like Runescape 2 did to make it Runescape 3 even though it is technically the same game with the same characters and stats. I feel we really need an answer to this to be fully excited for this expac!

  • The cycle reborn I think refers to the minor dragons taking up the mantle of the elder dragons and maintaining the balance of the magics of the world, but they are not hostile to mortal races.

    With Albax being the legendary Saltspray Dragon of Good Fortune, I just hope he's at least an Exotic Luck merchant so I can use up the million luck I have hoarded lol

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @BDave.9386 said:
    Maybe the restrictions are lifting? If VO recording is like music recording, you typically don't need more than one person in the room at a time anyway. Maybe two in the control room, [...]

    Yes, but those are closed indoor quarters, and if the air gets contaminated with a virus, you can infect others without being in the same room with them. They would have to air the room after each person's session as a virus can survive for quite some time in the air (unless it's open air).

    You can just give people the test before they come in to record.

    @jhern.6097 said:
    pretty. i swear anet if rangers dont get a rifle or at least a pistol my blood pressure will momentarily spike with little to no consequence. youve been warned

    Ranger is not a gunpowder class.

    Hammer or Land spear only.

    @jhern.6097 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @jhern.6097 said:
    pretty. i swear anet if rangers dont get a rifle or at least a pistol my blood pressure will momentarily spike with little to no consequence. youve been warned

    Rather have a melee weapon like mace or hammer on my ranger.

    but im hunting wabbits

    Warrior has a lovely rifle.

  • END OF DRAGONS doesn't necessarily mean there are no dragons left, including elder dragons. End can be used in other ways. Like, to sail to the end of the earth. Look at an old school map with "here be dragons" (Or in the Latin, Hic Sunt Dragones) on it, generally means an unexplored territory, an area. So if you were to sail to the other side of that area, it would be the end of dragons!

    Also, end can be used to mean "purpose" which is quite fitting imo.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    END OF DRAGONS doesn't necessarily mean there are no dragons left, including elder dragons. End can be used in other ways. Like, to sail to the end of the earth.

    This part sound like you are trying to put a butt joke into the name of the expansion.

  • tinchpinch.8651tinchpinch.8651 Member ✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    "End of Dragons" sounds so sad :'(
    What were some other expansion title suggestions?

    But on the other hand: YAY for new expansion! Can't wait.

  • Frostfang.5109Frostfang.5109 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Can I have a dsaltspray dragon as a pet? A mount? A mini?! I love them! They are so beautiful!!!!

  • @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    END OF DRAGONS doesn't necessarily mean there are no dragons left, including elder dragons. End can be used in other ways. Like, to sail to the end of the earth.

    This part sound like you are trying to put a butt joke into the name of the expansion.

    This part sound like you are trying to put a butt joke into my comment.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dondarrion.2748 said:
    Could the unknown be Albax?

    Albax is a he, that's already confirmed in GW1

    Infortunatos Maxeles said "it must have been Albax, the legendary Saltspray Dragon of Good Fortune! His ill will is the only explanation for this turn of events."

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    Praise the Inevitable Eternal Transcendent King Palawa Ignacious Joko, the Beloved and Feared Undying Eternal Monarch of All !!!
    ... til Aurene ate him for dessert 😭
  • Xion.5694Xion.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    Cant wait till seeing Aurine gone.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    @Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:
    You can just give people the test before they come in to record.

    After they have been in quarantine for 14-days, sure.

    Anyway, curious to learn when that voice acting was done.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am looking forward to the expansion but do we have any eta on info drops of what it could be added such as combat updates and or elite spec?

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Tere.4759Tere.4759 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly, I'm tired of dragons. Give us something dark and mysterious instead.

  • krz.1327krz.1327 Member ✭✭

    shame that everything points into the direction of having a lot of water/underwater content
    swimming levels in games are always the most annoying parts and gw2 is no exception, underwater combat is cancer

  • Dondarrion.2748Dondarrion.2748 Member ✭✭✭

    @krz.1327 said:
    swimming levels in games are always the most annoying parts and gw2 is no exception, underwater combat is cancer

    not a given underwater content will remain as it is today though, is it? With more content for underwater, it's very likely they will go over the existing underwater mechanisms and make things more enjoyable. Underwater mount now a first improvement to movement under water, and probably more stuff to come.

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  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Forbidden Virtue.1089 said:

    @Rubi Bayer.8493 said:

    @Forbidden Virtue.1089 said:
    Does this mean after this expantion it's over? That the story is done?

    No, this does not mean the end of the story. I'm not going to give you spoilers, but all of our Living World seasons have been building toward this. We've been working on this for a long time. In the meantime, we’re having lots of fun reading all your ideas about where the story is heading. Speculate away!

    Thank you for clarifying this out <3

    Yeah, I've always hated how people act like the game is over without an elder dragon threat. From the sound of it, this expansion is probably gonna finish that story off (except maybe Primordus? Don't see how he'd factor into Cantha), so I'm very glad to hear anet isn't finishing everything up. The game really has limitless potential and could keep content updates and new story going for decades

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Primordus kills Jormag.
    Deep sea dragon kills Primordus.
    Kuunavang and us kill the deep sea dragon.

    There. The end of dragons. =)

  • Xion.5694Xion.5694 Member ✭✭✭

    Commander kills both Primordus and (sadly) Jormag, but Aurine wont absorb their magic - instead it will awake the sea dragon and it will go to Cantha.
    Our pack will have to chase him, because reasons.
    Aurine in the end will absorb the magic and turn into preety rainbow, as she supposed to at the end of Dragonfall.
    Magic will disperse into Tyria and new treaths will emerge from the shadows.
    Commander will fix everything at the end.
    The end.

  • What if, instead of giving us specializations that focus on a new weapon (staff for druid, rifle for thief, etc) they give us a new specialization that completely remaps the skills and mechanics of weapons that the profession can already use? For example, a ranger specialization that uses axes main hand more as melee rather than short range. Elementalist spec that redesigns the use of scepter. Lots of exciting options here.

  • @krz.1327 said:
    shame that everything points into the direction of having a lot of water/underwater content
    swimming levels in games are always the most annoying parts and gw2 is no exception, underwater combat is cancer

    That's subjective.

    Personally, I really enjoy it.

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2020

    Firstly, I am sooo Happy to being going back to cantha. The trailer was stunning, and very Aurene like with the colours.
    However...the name?
    I dunno, it either feels like a meh living world title, or something accidentally written on the wrong sheet of paper and someone's gone 'ok so that's the title?'
    None the less, let's do this. I can't wait.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rubi Bayer.8493 said:

    @Forbidden Virtue.1089 said:
    Does this mean after this expantion it's over? That the story is done?

    No, this does not mean the end of the story. I'm not going to give you spoilers, but all of our Living World seasons have been building toward this. We've been working on this for a long time. In the meantime, we’re having lots of fun reading all your ideas about where the story is heading. Speculate away!

    So you say we like there is more than one of you left working for Anet? If not great job on how you made that trailer :)

  • Gzas.3906Gzas.3906 Member ✭✭

    I hope you release some new PVP content. Something like Guild vs Guild content and maps?

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Donari.5237 said:

    @Adzekul.3104 said:
    They clearly said 2021, but did they clarify further? I read a claim that they said "end of 2021". Obviously a year is 12 months long, and delivery in January is very different than delivery in December (and June for that matter). I could get hyped for January 2021 delivery (only 4 - 5 months away) but not for September or later (12+ months away). Clearly, it should be delivered when it is finished, and not rushed, but I want to know if they clarified the timing beyond "Cantha confirmed. End of Dragons. 2021".

    I was listening very carefully to Rubi at the end when she talked about it. She definitely said "end of 2021." Once they have the stream on YouTube it should be easily found since it's in the last few minutes, between showing the trailer and closing the stream.

    I have to correct myself. I just reviewed it. She said "End of Dragons 2021" and I missed the 'of Dragons' part. So I am wrong and it could be any time in 2021. Sorry.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Donari.5237 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @lorddavito.2395 said:
    So, when do we get this? Trailer is fun and all but release date???

    2021 is all they have said so far. They wont give a date this far away

    honestly 2021 is good, id prefer q1 2022 sp they trully get their time with this but that might be unrealistic

    In the stream they said "end of 2021."

    I love this teaser. It's the same smooth-blending, transforming figures style that we got in the initial fractals trailer, and since I have given feedback in the past that I thought that was a great presentation, I'm very happy to see it again.

    Correcting myself: I was so psyched by the announcement that I misheard. What Rubi said was "End of Dragons, 2021" and I missed the 'of Dragons' part. My apologies.

  • Very nice trailer! :) "The Koi fish swam up river and become a dragon, two koi fish = duality of life, balance, and opposing life forces"

    1. Questions:

    2. Video Analysis - GW1 Landmarks:

    0:07 - Courtyard area from Shing Jea Monastery?
    0:11 - Imperial Palace or Raisu Palace and Imperial Sanctum
    0:13 - Dragon's bridge from Zen Daijun outpost
    0:14 - Kaineng city exit gate to the inner city? 2 banner flags with 2 dragons each
    0:16 - Inside the Kaineng City, hints of 2 dragons from GW1 factions locked room inside the city? https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Xunlaihq.jpg

    0:20 - Dragon's throat https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dragon's_Throat_(outpost)
    0:24 - Ghost spirits of Cantha similar to https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vizu
    0:29 - The jade sea https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Jade_Sea
    0:31 - Is that Cavalon? Or remnants of it? https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Cavalon
    0:36 - Kuunavang of the Harvest Temple https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kuunavang
    https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Harvest_Temple

    0:42 - Reflection in the dragon's eyes shows a blue flame portal?
    0:47 - New logo referencing two Koi fish, 2 water element based dragons?
    Since GW1 Factions, the 2 opposing forces has been constantly referenced alongside the Kurzicks and Luxons, even in the game logo, very exciting! This made my day! :)

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  • NEVER BEEN SO EXCITED FOR GW 2 THAN RIGHT NOW!!! BIG things ahead!!! Cantha! DSD! Asian themes! New elite specs! Now the LONGG wait!! Finally #Canthaconfirmed!

  • ZeftheWicked.3076ZeftheWicked.3076 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Gonna be hard to beat Heart of Thorns (the current one, not the freshly launched one that was too grindy) but I am glad a new x-pac is coming. Will hold my hype/dissapointment until after more is revealed.

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    the good thing about the dragon issue being over is that it opens a lot the possibilities on what is coming next. so far we already know the story for most expacs, new dragons appear, we somehow beat it, the end. now they can do much more than that.

  • Lich King.1524Lich King.1524 Member ✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020
  • Lurana.7506Lurana.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm so hyped about the new armor we will get <3<3<3<3

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020

    Previous releases have made me very un-hype-able when it comes to this game. Will sing its praises if the expansion is playble and I like it.

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020

    @lokh.2695 said:
    Previous releases have made me very un-hype-able when it comes to this game. Will sing its praises if the expansion is playble and I like it.

    I am with you. Until there is a release date, the expansion is nothing more than pipe dream.

    Anet has history of false advertising and building hype over nothing. Until the expansion date is determined and we know what are the features in the expansion, my hype level is zero.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020

    @otto.5684 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    Previous releases have made me very un-hype-able when it comes to this game. Will sing its praises if the expansion is playble and I like it.

    I am with you. Until there is a release date, the expansion is nothing more than pipe dream.

    Anet has history of building false advertising and building hype over nothing. Until the expansion date is determined and we know what are the features in the expansion, my hype level is zero.

    A seat will be saved for you on the hype train just in case ;)

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  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020

    I miss Colin. He excelled at hype.
    Our newest Game Director? Nary a peep; we aren't even absolutely sure who it is as he/she hasn't engaged with the community even once. :confused:

  • Croc.1978Croc.1978 Member ✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    Previous releases have made me very un-hype-able when it comes to this game. Will sing its praises if the expansion is playble and I like it.

    I am with you. Until there is a release date, the expansion is nothing more than pipe dream.

    Anet has history of building false advertising and building hype over nothing. Until the expansion date is determined and we know what are the features in the expansion, my hype level is zero.

    A seat will be saved for you on the hype train just in case ;)

    Something feels awfully wrong here. Left-hand traffic? Is this Australian?

  • Tony.8659Tony.8659 Member ✭✭✭

    Rubi, when the expansion goes on sale for preorder will there be a physical collector's edition? I have the original Guid Wars 2 collector's editoin with the Rytlock statue, and it would be awesome to have something like a Kuunavang statue :D

  • @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    LOL its GW2 version of GW1 factions not WoW'S lame version of Kung Fu Panda