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We need a ranked pip revamp

Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭
edited September 9, 2020 in PVP

The devs need to change pips to scale off of account rank and whether or not the match was a win or a loss (not season ranking, but your rank #) like WvW, but then when they punish people for botting or manipulation, nuke their rank. And also do a better job of detecting that. Doing this will make smurf accounts worthless (because nowadays you can use your free pips to earn gold from losses and send it to a main account), and also nuke the main accounts' progress/ability to earn legendary rewards and currency. Right now, bad behavior is too incentivized and given Anet is gunshy about permabans, there's really no consequences, so no active discouragement from trying again. That's the issue (I would say in addition to allowing FTP accounts to play ranked, that just makes it too easy to throw bots and smurf accounts into the mix). If your rewards scale off of both your dedication to the game mode and your win rate, I believe that's the best model and if that progress can be reset when cheating occurs, it will actively discourage it.

Though I think the game mode as a whole needs more to it than just conquest if it's going to survive long term after the new influx of players. If anet fails to fix matchmaking and manipulation before this game goes to steam, it's a lost opportunity to save the game mode. I also think they need to introduce a separate queue for complete premades. And maybe kill duo altogether. It's just solo and/or premades against each other (but never mixed. Premades are never matched against solo players).

Comments

  • jwhite.7012jwhite.7012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020

    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

  • I feel you.

    I think it should be like...
    Pips as they are now move to Unranked where the game is meant to be casual and where seeing loads of bots isn't as ugly for PvP's image.

    In Ranked:
    Wins = 2 or 3x the normal amount of pips of Unranked. It depends on whatever makes Ranked less profitable than Unranked for people who do not play to improve, actively throw, and bots.
    Losses = 0 pips

    Ranked DuoQ 😡👉🚪
    Patch-culture is awful
    Nerfs should be reserved for extreme cases and only done in creative ways that make the game more interesting to play and watch.

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is the gold f player thread

  • It is kinda unfair, that having a high pvp rank is giving you absolutely zero reward, while it helps you alot in wvw.
    Just give us at least something for it.

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    @chillig Bruda.9541 said:
    It is kinda unfair, that having a high pvp rank is giving you absolutely zero reward, while it helps you alot in wvw.
    Just give us at least something for it.

    no it isn't

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    @Tharan.9085 said:

    @chillig Bruda.9541 said:
    It is kinda unfair, that having a high pvp rank is giving you absolutely zero reward, while it helps you alot in wvw.
    Just give us at least something for it.

    no it isn't

    Yes it is, don't you know all good players PvP for the rewards, which they arent getting for like 8 years now? Outrageous if you ask me!

  • There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

  • @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

  • @chillig Bruda.9541 said:
    It is kinda unfair, that having a high pvp rank is giving you absolutely zero reward, while it helps you alot in wvw.
    Just give us at least something for it.

    Wholly agree. Finisher just don't cut it. Especially when some are cash shop items anyway (i.e. doesn't matter if I could use say a permanent mad king one instead).

  • Azreell.1568Azreell.1568 Member ✭✭✭

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

  • Azreell.1568Azreell.1568 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

  • @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    Depends on which way the new players view it: say they're struggling against people who have played this game for 8 years. They'll know their losses will become that much more valuable if they stick with it and play fair.

  • Azreell.1568Azreell.1568 Member ✭✭✭

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    Depends on which way the new players view it: say they're struggling against people who have played this game for 8 years. They'll know their losses will become that much more valuable if they stick with it and play fair.

    I hate to tell you this friend but your idea will literally drive most new player away.

    Gw2 Conquest :

    1) Terrible Class Balance
    2) Broken Match Making system due to low population
    3) Bots everywhere
    4) Afk players everywhere
    5) Huge Buff and Nerf swings
    6) Most toxic player base in gw2
    7) Mediocre rewards at best

    And now you want to reduce the rewards for new players or players in general and somehow think that will help?

    Your idea does not benefit the new player base at all - and let's be frank. Unless we find a way to attract new players this game mode is doa.

    Unfortunately your idea isn't it.

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    Depends on which way the new players view it: say they're struggling against people who have played this game for 8 years. They'll know their losses will become that much more valuable if they stick with it and play fair.

    I hate to tell you this friend but your idea will literally drive most new player away.

    Gw2 Conquest :

    1) Terrible Class Balance
    2) Broken Match Making system due to low population
    3) Bots everywhere
    4) Afk players everywhere
    5) Huge Buff and Nerf swings
    6) Most toxic player base in gw2
    7) Mediocre rewards at best

    And now you want to reduce the rewards for new players or players in general and somehow think that will help?

    Your idea does not benefit the new player base at all - and let's be frank. Unless we find a way to attract new players this game mode is doa.

    Unfortunately your idea isn't it.

    Keeping it as-is will drive away anyone with a brain. In fact, the more I look at it, the less sense continuing to play once I earn the neck and ascension makes. WvW is much easier to step into and out of, with less BS. Keep in mind we're talking about an overall buff in rewards here.

    EDIT: Also the proposed model with the numbers, isn't mine at all.

  • Azreell.1568Azreell.1568 Member ✭✭✭

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    Depends on which way the new players view it: say they're struggling against people who have played this game for 8 years. They'll know their losses will become that much more valuable if they stick with it and play fair.

    I hate to tell you this friend but your idea will literally drive most new player away.

    Gw2 Conquest :

    1) Terrible Class Balance
    2) Broken Match Making system due to low population
    3) Bots everywhere
    4) Afk players everywhere
    5) Huge Buff and Nerf swings
    6) Most toxic player base in gw2
    7) Mediocre rewards at best

    And now you want to reduce the rewards for new players or players in general and somehow think that will help?

    Your idea does not benefit the new player base at all - and let's be frank. Unless we find a way to attract new players this game mode is doa.

    Unfortunately your idea isn't it.

    Keeping it as-is will drive away anyone with a brain. In fact, the more I look at it, the less sense continuing to play once I earn the neck and ascension makes. WvW is much easier to step into and out of, with less BS. Keep in mind we're talking about an overall buff in rewards here.

    EDIT: Also the proposed model with the numbers, isn't mine at all.

    I have the exact opposite opinion.

    Increase rewards to increase the player base.

    Let's be honest conquest hasn't really been all that supported to begin with.

    Look at drizzlewood - tons of loot people there non stop.

    The same ideology could be applied to conquest.

    It would attract tons of new player's many who may stay and thus in the process fix our broken match making system ( because we may finally have enough players again for it to work ).

    Reduction in rewards for newer players does not increase the player base it has the opposite effect. Look at any time gw2 reduce rewards for an example.

    The change you suggest benefits the older player base far more then the newer one which would not lead to a net gain.

  • RedAvenged.5217RedAvenged.5217 Member ✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

    I said in ranked. Rank is your pvp level while ranked is a que type- during actual ranked season you get extra pips for being plat or legend toward the ranked pip system which gives more gold. Though you are correct in that it’s “seasonal”. The rewards for being a higher rank(pvp level) is access to certain basic reward tracks and at rank 20 access to ranked + you are gonna be getting achievement points/titles along the way

  • @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

    I said in ranked. Rank is your pvp level while ranked is a que type- during actual ranked season you get extra pips for being plat or legend toward the ranked pip system which gives more gold. Though you are correct in that it’s “seasonal”. The rewards for being a higher rank(pvp level) is access to certain basic reward tracks

    Which means we're talking about different things. WvW is objectively better for rewards long term. Got it. I think this should be more like WvW.

  • @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    Depends on which way the new players view it: say they're struggling against people who have played this game for 8 years. They'll know their losses will become that much more valuable if they stick with it and play fair.

    I hate to tell you this friend but your idea will literally drive most new player away.

    Gw2 Conquest :

    1) Terrible Class Balance
    2) Broken Match Making system due to low population
    3) Bots everywhere
    4) Afk players everywhere
    5) Huge Buff and Nerf swings
    6) Most toxic player base in gw2
    7) Mediocre rewards at best

    And now you want to reduce the rewards for new players or players in general and somehow think that will help?

    Your idea does not benefit the new player base at all - and let's be frank. Unless we find a way to attract new players this game mode is doa.

    Unfortunately your idea isn't it.

    Keeping it as-is will drive away anyone with a brain. In fact, the more I look at it, the less sense continuing to play once I earn the neck and ascension makes. WvW is much easier to step into and out of, with less BS. Keep in mind we're talking about an overall buff in rewards here.

    EDIT: Also the proposed model with the numbers, isn't mine at all.

    I have the exact opposite opinion.

    Increase rewards to increase the player base.

    Let's be honest conquest hasn't really been all that supported to begin with.

    Look at drizzlewood - tons of loot people there non stop.

    The same ideology could be applied to conquest.

    It would attract tons of new player's many who may stay and thus in the process fix our broken match making system ( because we may finally have enough players again for it to work ).

    Reduction in rewards for newer players does not increase the player base it has the opposite effect. Look at any time gw2 reduce rewards for an example.

    The change you suggest benefits the older player base far more then the newer one which would not lead to a net gain.

    With the number of bot and smurf accounts, the danger with increasing the rewards is that you're asking for even more BS given Anet's lax enforcement on cheating. And what sucks is that I don't even report every cheat I think I see. I've seen so many unguilded acccounts that spam 1 there's no way those are real players. Heck, just increasing the participation reward to 3 pips per match gets what you're asking for with this system. A new person is going to get creamed most times against 8 year veterans for the most part, and the rewards, as you state, are lacking against other game modes. WvW included. Adding account rank progression to it would help, not hurt and to get parity with the current system is actually pretty trivial.

  • RedAvenged.5217RedAvenged.5217 Member ✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

    I said in ranked. Rank is your pvp level while ranked is a que type- during actual ranked season you get extra pips for being plat or legend toward the ranked pip system which gives more gold. Though you are correct in that it’s “seasonal”. The rewards for being a higher rank(pvp level) is access to certain basic reward tracks

    Which means we're talking about different things. WvW is objectively better for rewards long term. Got it. I think this should be more like WvW.

    We are talking about pvp. There is no actual reason to increase pups based off rank becuz rank doesn’t mean a whole lot- what means a good bit is ranked during seasons. That’s where pvp was designed to have the extra rewards and it should stay that way.
    Plus unranked is very cringe and wouldn’t wanna have to spend my time there for anything but playing offmeta or non main builds without effecting my ranked season
    Edit: also the title of the thread is “ranked” so it’s perfectly relevant and correct.

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

    I said in ranked. Rank is your pvp level while ranked is a que type- during actual ranked season you get extra pips for being plat or legend toward the ranked pip system which gives more gold. Though you are correct in that it’s “seasonal”. The rewards for being a higher rank(pvp level) is access to certain basic reward tracks

    Which means we're talking about different things. WvW is objectively better for rewards long term. Got it. I think this should be more like WvW.

    We are talking about pvp. There is no actual reason to increase pups based off rank becuz rank doesn’t mean a whole lot- what means a good bit is ranked during seasons. That’s where pvp was designed to have the extra rewards and it should stay that way.
    Plus unranked is very cringe and wouldn’t wanna have to spend my time there for anything but playing offmeta or non main builds without effecting my ranked season
    Edit: also the title of the thread is “ranked” so it’s perfectly relevant and correct.

    Well I don't think the current system is working and there's been plat players caught cheating, so I would argue that it's unfair to reward cheating which is what the current system does. Tying rewards to account rank makes punishing cheaters that much more meaningful if their rank is reset beacuse they actually lose something as opposed to being able to just start cheating again and win all those rewards until anet finally notices.

  • felix.2386felix.2386 Member ✭✭✭

    only if pvp lvl meant something

    warrior has been unplayable in pvp
    for 6 months till now

    good job balance team

  • @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

    I said in ranked. Rank is your pvp level while ranked is a que type- during actual ranked season you get extra pips for being plat or legend toward the ranked pip system which gives more gold. Though you are correct in that it’s “seasonal”. The rewards for being a higher rank(pvp level) is access to certain basic reward tracks

    Which means we're talking about different things. WvW is objectively better for rewards long term. Got it. I think this should be more like WvW.

    We are talking about pvp. There is no actual reason to increase pups based off rank becuz rank doesn’t mean a whole lot- what means a good bit is ranked during seasons. That’s where pvp was designed to have the extra rewards and it should stay that way.
    Plus unranked is very cringe and wouldn’t wanna have to spend my time there for anything but playing offmeta or non main builds without effecting my ranked season
    Edit: also the title of the thread is “ranked” so it’s perfectly relevant and correct.

    Well I don't think the current system is working and there's been plat players caught cheating, so I would argue that it's unfair to reward cheating which is what the current system does. Tying rewards to account rank makes punishing cheaters that much more meaningful if their rank is reset beacuse they actually lose something as opposed to being able to just start cheating again and win all those rewards until anet finally notices.

    Idk why anyone would ever cheat just to get to plat. I could see ppl botting for rewards, but a bot program is probably gonna land silver at best and hence not get plat pips, so the system is working I guess

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @RedAvenged.5217 said:
    There is a reward for pips in ranked and that’s faster gold access. Don’t change unranked to punish weaker players from ranking up which effects their achievements and possibility of doing ranked for the extra gold

    Please, explain. The only extra pips I've seen are from being a higher seasonal rank. Not your account rank.

    I said in ranked. Rank is your pvp level while ranked is a que type- during actual ranked season you get extra pips for being plat or legend toward the ranked pip system which gives more gold. Though you are correct in that it’s “seasonal”. The rewards for being a higher rank(pvp level) is access to certain basic reward tracks

    Which means we're talking about different things. WvW is objectively better for rewards long term. Got it. I think this should be more like WvW.

    We are talking about pvp. There is no actual reason to increase pups based off rank becuz rank doesn’t mean a whole lot- what means a good bit is ranked during seasons. That’s where pvp was designed to have the extra rewards and it should stay that way.
    Plus unranked is very cringe and wouldn’t wanna have to spend my time there for anything but playing offmeta or non main builds without effecting my ranked season
    Edit: also the title of the thread is “ranked” so it’s perfectly relevant and correct.

    Well I don't think the current system is working and there's been plat players caught cheating, so I would argue that it's unfair to reward cheating which is what the current system does. Tying rewards to account rank makes punishing cheaters that much more meaningful if their rank is reset beacuse they actually lose something as opposed to being able to just start cheating again and win all those rewards until anet finally notices.

    Idk why anyone would ever cheat just to get to plat. I could see ppl botting for rewards, but a bot program is probably gonna land silver at best and hence not get plat pips, so the system is working I guess

    But it's happened and has been mentioned before on these forums (as I believe that's where I heard it) and as recently as last week someone on my PVP discord showed a guardian literally porting across the map and no one could come up with a valid explanation. Tying wins to rewards like this is bad in a cheating environment.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ranked shouldn't exist(The ladder is literally pointless right now), unranked should get the pip system and all titles and some other high value gold rewards(more mcs? clovers? ascended mats? special bags? anything?) should be given to AT's, including placing last. There needs to be more encouragement to "team up" and "play organized" instead of having user transactions for titles/badges and creating easy matches to maintain your top20 status in an entirely irrelevant worthless leaderboard.

    Premade 5v5(AT's) is the only real way to show your skill, the ladder system does not show skill, at all. AT's are also too underwhelming and unrewarding to be worth doing, so people just solo queue ranked all day and never try to find a team. This is a bad atmosphere for a competitive 5v5 team based game. This is like if esports didn't exist in OW/League/DoTA and queueing ranked gave you irl money based on your rank - no one would even care to make, join, or practice as a team.

  • jwhite.7012jwhite.7012 Member ✭✭✭

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    I don't understand where or how you drew that conclusion. My recommendation gives players rewards based off of their performance. Which would essentially destroy afk/botting in pvp. If you're new to pvp, you can still revive. If you're bad at pvp, you can decap. The breakdown ONLY punishes players for NOT contributing.

  • Azreell.1568Azreell.1568 Member ✭✭✭

    @jwhite.7012 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Azreell.1568 said:

    @jwhite.7012 said:
    I've said it before, but I think they should drastically alter the pip tally.

    ie.
    Win: 3 pips
    Loss: 1 pip
    Rank tier: +1 pip /rank
    Top Stat: 2 pip / stat

    Add additional stats, like most executes (not assists), decap/capping (not just passive points for fighting on nodes), highest boon distribution, highest power dmg, highest condi dmg.
    I realize players might be intimidated by this at first (with the idea that it would limit non optimal builds), but that's the difference between ranked and regular games. I think this would also encourage diversity in comps. Players would want to strive to achieve a top stat (so if there was 3 condi's on the team already, they might switch to power..)

    Good way to put the final nail in the coffin.

    Nerf pvp rewards and watch this mode become a ghost town worse then what it is currently.

    As it stands rewards are the only saving grace conquest has in gw2.

    The highest ranks would give you way more pips in this model (because of the massive pip buffs on losses). How is this a nerf?

    Water will always find the path of least resistance.

    Same with any games player base.

    You are directly reducing the current reward system especially for new players - and you think that will go over well?

    We need to attract new plaer's not scare them away.

    I don't understand where or how you drew that conclusion. My recommendation gives players rewards based off of their performance. Which would essentially destroy afk/botting in pvp. If you're new to pvp, you can still revive. If you're bad at pvp, you can decap. The breakdown ONLY punishes players for NOT contributing.

    We already have that exact system and one that doesn't punish new players who do not understand mechanics yet.

    You can't solve a bot issue with a direct nerf to rewards.

    All that will happen is bots will write another script to capitalize on the new rule set to get max pips.

    Issues like that wont be addressed with making it harder for players to receive rewards.

  • jwhite.7012jwhite.7012 Member ✭✭✭

    We already have that exact system and one that doesn't punish new players who do not understand mechanics yet.

    Uhm, no.. we really don't have that system. You get ONE pip for top stats. not multiple, only one.

    I don't fully understand why you suggest that a brand new player should be able to get just as many pips as someone who is carrying a team, or actively pursuing wins.