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Should Norn get an update?

Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited September 11, 2020 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Very simple poll here - I find the norn to be a very compelling race but am put off of playing them (males in particular) because of the design of their model. I'm curious who else feels this way.

Should Norn get an update? 80 votes

Yes - update their proportions to be more natural/human-like but leave their "skin" alone
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Vavume.8065Kylden Ar.3724Caedmon.6798aikatara.3462xev.9476choon.6308Hikosama.2971Lindoniel.1726Laeki.6523krz.1327 10 votes
Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions
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DeanBB.4268Einlanzer.1627Weindrasi.3805Brimstone.3807Jack O Lights.9312Hannelore.8153Thornwolf.9721blade eyes.2034DarkEmiLupus.2876Clyan.1593Taylan.2187Chill Ra.3416Apokriphos.7042Leeal.7021Aracz.4702Eekasqueak.7850GummyBearSummoner.7941mezuzel.4987Harak.8397Dante.1508 24 votes
No - make no changes
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  • Martnor.1746Martnor.1746 Member ✭✭✭
    No - make no changes

    As much as I am not a fan of the male Norn, I think their current looks captures their nature/culture quite well. Mostly large and with muscles, tough people that are built to survive harsh cold environments but who also love to drink. So although the look is not for me, I think it fits.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2020
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    I guess these polls are a little folly really, because people are always going to favor the status quo unless the status quo is exceptionally bad. I still say they would benefit from an update.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No - make no changes

    What makes you think they need an update though? They haven't been changed in 8 years , what makes you think that Arenanet would devote resources to something like that?

    Think about it, every single armor and outfit would have to be looked at again by their team to ensure there is no significant clipping issues or the like. The only thing that they'd probably change is adding more faces/hairstyles/skin tones/tattoos.

  • Trise.2865Trise.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Let me preface by saying: just because I think the Norn could use some tweaking doesn't mean they must or even should be tweaked. These are very different sentiments.

    That being said: I'm all for visual updates, especially if they add more visibly distinct silhouettes between the species (something akin to the original Sylvari rework). Personally, I would love it if the Norn could incorporate their transformation abilities more into movement and combat (or at least combat anims), but that may be asking a lot.

    If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.

  • DeanBB.4268DeanBB.4268 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 11, 2020
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    Even though I voted for change, I really don't think it is necessary. I think any time Anet adds more options for character customization, it is a good thing.

    [edit] I think they should look less like humans, rather than more.

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  • No - make no changes

    I voted no, but only for lack of an "other." I'd rather if Anet just provided more body options, or hell, actual body sliders instead of prefabbed proportions/weights options to choose from. My Norn needs hips! HIPS!
    Shoot, even one of those square sliders with the four directions would work, with thick/thin on opposing sides, and stocky/curvy(?) taking the other two opposing sides.

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    can update them or leave them as-is (they are fine as they are imo)

    if changing/updating them:

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No - make no changes

    I did no but I would like them a bit taller. I also wouldn't mind if Anet made a Jotun combat tonic.

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  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    hardly going to change now, but i never liked their designs. their females look like underwear models, nad their males.... look like a gorilla.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No - make no changes

    I'd rather have ANet spend resources elsewhere.

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • I'll bring a little reality into fantasy.

    Bergmann's rule: within populations of a species the larger, heavier specimens are found in the northern climes while the the smaller variations are found near warmer climates.

    Bison, moose, elk found -- north; most bovines, goats, and deer -- south
    Polar bears, Kodiak, grizzly -- North; Black, sun, and panda -- south

    I don't want to see just a scaled up human. Their extra bulk and muscle are from living in a much more harsh environment than temperate hum ans.

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  • Ototo.3214Ototo.3214 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020

    Instead of outright altering things that would impact the way current characters look, i would prefer they just add more options for body proportions/faces to the character creator. Leaves current characters alone and gives people more options.

  • Dante.1508Dante.1508 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    Yes they need overhauls but not really in looks they need race mechanics overhaul, hell all race skills needed an overhaul.

  • Honestly, if we were to see the norn's design change, the males are the ones I'd leave untouched--they at least look like a separate race. The female norn just being the human female model scaled up is the major visual weakness of the race.

    If we wanted to go further than that, then maybe incorporate some of their shapeshifting into their base designs, as customization options. Allowing norn to have animal features--claws, patches of fur or feathers, pointed ears, wolf or cat eyes, etc.--without making them a full charr-style beast race, and ideally while also dodging them becoming a catgirl race.

  • No - make no changes

    I enjoy the way my Norn looks and sounds. I enjoy the story about the Norn in the game, including the recent LWS content.

    Leave the Norn alone and allow us to continue our hunt for eternal glory!

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  • Caedmon.6798Caedmon.6798 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020
    Yes - update their proportions to be more natural/human-like but leave their "skin" alone

    I do love my bulky norn,but i think theyre Too bulky. The shoulders are especially odd. Theres lots of good armor skins and outfits that look amazing on my human or my asuran but on my norn it just looks laughable. I remember always hiding my pauldrons whenever i played that char aswell because of the size of them.

    Instead of updating their proportions a proper char creation screen with more sliders for different body parts could be the answer aswell.

  • No - make no changes

    There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020
    Yes - update their proportions to be more natural/human-like but leave their "skin" alone

    22 characters 0 Norns, because simply they look like bubbling oafs, their movement animation is the main reason for this.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.

    Subjective claims are not objective claims.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    @Taylan.2187 said:
    I'm most annoyed by how ridiculous the difference between female and male Norn is. You can make the male characters look like a yoga ball but the females all have to be nicely thin of course! Either allow players to make female Norn characters with Zarya-type butch physique, or synchronize the appearance of the male characters to the female variants so they look less like Santa Claus and more like a tall giant. No reason for the double standard, just seems like basic sexism.

    And before someone starts insinuating things, I'm a thin straight guy who's quite fond of thin female characters, I just genuinely think that the double standard is unfair. ^^

    Yes, this is actually what bothers me the most as well. I simply cannot play a male norn because their proportions look absurd while female norn just look like tall and slightly less petite humans. I honestly think this is a problem and am not sure why it was ever allowed to go live.

    Although that aside I also think it would be cool if they looked a little less like humans overall, with a more gruff/wintry appearance (i.e. a typical fantasy giant race).

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020
    No - make no changes

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.

    Subjective claims are not objective claims.

    True. But then the same can be said about your view. This whole thread is all about purely subjective feelings.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.

    Subjective claims are not objective claims.

    True. But then the same can be said about your view. This whole thread is all about purely subjective feelings.

    Yeah but I never presented my view as if it was objective.

  • krz.1327krz.1327 Member ✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020
    Yes - update their proportions to be more natural/human-like but leave their "skin" alone

    Norns need more character creation options, from what I remember they have less hair styles to choose from etc

  • Anchoku.8142Anchoku.8142 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Have you considered a makeover kit?

  • No - make no changes

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.

    Subjective claims are not objective claims.

    True. But then the same can be said about your view. This whole thread is all about purely subjective feelings.

    Yeah but I never presented my view as if it was objective.

    I don't think i need to specifically tag every opinion of mine with words "in my opinion". I assume most of the forum readers are smart enough to not need that reminder on every post.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Lonami.2987Lonami.2987 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020
    No - make no changes

    I wouldn't make any changes, except integrating the spirit forms into their biology. You know, kinda like worgen in WoW, who can swap between human and wolf form (aesthetic change only), both being customizable from the character creation screen. Also, more tattoo options, which would be shared with the spirit form.

    Or maybe just turn spirit forms into combat tonics, I don't know. Anything except the lame racial elite skills we have now.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes - update their proportions to be more natural/human-like but leave their "skin" alone

    @Taylan.2187 said:
    I'm most annoyed by how ridiculous the difference between female and male Norn is. You can make the male characters look like a yoga ball but the females all have to be nicely thin of course! Either allow players to make female Norn characters with Zarya-type butch physique, or synchronize the appearance of the male characters to the female variants so they look less like Santa Claus and more like a tall giant. No reason for the double standard, just seems like basic sexism.

    And before someone starts insinuating things, I'm a thin straight guy who's quite fond of thin female characters, I just genuinely think that the double standard is unfair. ^^

    Same here. Why do the men look, well, comical, while the women look like Nordic Supermodels?

    Had the same issue with the old he-Man toys/cartoons when younger. Power fantasy or not, it was insulting how "uncanny valley" they looked.

  • Where’s the option to select Yes, they need to make the transforms permanent because it fits the lore better!

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  • Rauderi.8706Rauderi.8706 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Norn/Human male chests are just shy of uncanny valley. Need a fix but it's also kinda eh because almost no armor leaves that open. /shrug

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  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes - make them look a bit "rougher" like a true giant race/less like youthful humans with odd proportions

    Anything that makes them look less human, female norn are... pretty big offenders in that line of logic.