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Tazer.2157Tazer.2157 Member ✭✭✭

Not sure if this has been asked before, but how did the united legions get into Drizzlewood coast? I think Bangar and the Dominion got through from Bjora Marches which is why they have their base in the north of the map. On the other hand the united legions had to get in through the south, but isn't that quite a distance from the Charr lands? They had to travel all the way across the mountains, through Norn and human territory just to get in. It just seems odd and unrealistic that the legion could just cross this vast expanse of land with all their soldiers and tanks.
Is this route possible? Or did they get in some other way? Maybe west from the eye of the north?

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  • Thru the Vision of the past as well as lore we know that travel from Ascalon is able thru the Shiverpeaks. We know that the char are extremely capable race as in lore they were able to make it to the shore of Orr prior to the sinking. In the 250 yrs the char have the most advanced warmachines and weapons out of all the races. We also know that the Blood legion homelands connect with the Far Shiverpeaks. Also don't discount the fact that the Dominion forces are working with the sons of svanir they could have used the power given to them by Jormag to assist the newly formed legion thru The territory. The United Legions have been following their trail and moving there units to meet them and establish bases. It's not unreasonable to assume they followed the same route.

  • Tazer.2157Tazer.2157 Member ✭✭✭

    If they followed the same route, then why do we start out in the south of the map making our way north where the citadel is? And since the Drizzlewood coast is so far away from Charr lands, is it really possible to have a civil war there? I would think that the Norn and the humans reinforcements would be the first to arrive there when news broke that the Charr was invading the place as they are much closer. There are helicopters that can carry tanks in lore, we see that during the final battle in the meta, but I’m not convinced that the Charr could just carry all their troops and tanks in those helicopters and just fly to a region without the Norn and the humans even demanding an explanation.

    This honestly feels like the final season of game of thrones where armies were literally teleported through vast distances episode after episode. I just don’t buy it.

  • @Tazer.2157 said:
    This honestly feels like the final season of game of thrones where armies were literally teleported through vast distances episode after episode. I just don’t buy it.

    Pretty much this.

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  • @The Greyhawk.9107 said:

    @Tazer.2157 said:
    This honestly feels like the final season of game of thrones where armies were literally teleported through vast distances episode after episode. I just don’t buy it.

    Pretty much this.

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  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    Several weeks or months often pass in the game world between episodes, so it’s not as if the drizzlewood camps/troop migrations just happened overnight from episode 2 to 3. Might feel like we “teleported” but that’s not the case. The civil war has been happening and this is where the fighting has moved to over time.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tazer.2157 said:
    If they followed the same route, then why do we start out in the south of the map making our way north where the citadel is? And since the Drizzlewood coast is so far away from Charr lands, is it really possible to have a civil war there? I would think that the Norn and the humans reinforcements would be the first to arrive there when news broke that the Charr was invading the place as they are much closer. There are helicopters that can carry tanks in lore, we see that during the final battle in the meta, but I’m not convinced that the Charr could just carry all their troops and tanks in those helicopters and just fly to a region without the Norn and the humans even demanding an explanation.

    This honestly feels like the final season of game of thrones where armies were literally teleported through vast distances episode after episode. I just don’t buy it.

    It's important to remember that Bangar's Dominion forces are essentially a break away Rebel faction much like the Human hating Renegades were and are not recognised as part of the high legions.
    The Renegades and Charr that betrayed the Blood, Iron, Ash and Flame legions to join with Bangar are not welcome in the high legions territory and will be treated as enemies should they be discovered there, just like the Renegades were which is likely why they have set themselves up in the Shiverpeaks/Drizzlewood Coast instead where they can also be closer to Jormag as well.

    You also have to remember that the Norn do not have an organised military force so they don't have any army to send as reinforcements to combat the Charr.
    The Norn also don't consider the Shiverpeaks their personal territory either, they are far too individualistic for that and the only territory they hold any claim to and will defend is their personal homesteads/settlements, Hoelbrack is the only Norn "city" (we use that term loosely when talking about Norn) with any kind of governing body and even that has very minimal power over how the Norn choose to live their lives.
    Knut Whitebear although often seen as a Norn "leader" really isn't one.. the Norn do not have leaders in the typical sense of the word.. just Elders, and while Elders do command the respect of their fellow Norn it does not give them power or authority over them, the Norn will only follow another if they choose to of their own free will.. Braham showcased that back when he decided to abandon us and start his own Guild, The Norn do what they want when they want and nothing can really change that.

    As for the Human element the Dominion definitely poses a threat to their Northen borders however Human forces have been fighting a long war against the Centaurs and to my knowledge that war is still ongoing despite multiple defeats for the Centaurs in recent years and loosing some of their strongest leaders and allies.
    I expect the Humans cannot afford to spare any Seraph or military forces to come North and start a fight with the Dominion, chances are they will prepare for a Dominion invasion but will not get directly involved unless the Dominion invades Krytan territory and forces the Humans to take action against them.

  • So canonically, the Shiverpeak Mountain range has two passes for easy travel - the northern one that is at Grothmar, Valley and the southern one that is at Diessa Plateau (GW2 added a third, smaller new pass between Frostgorge and Firerise but unlike the other two, you can't march armies through).

    The issue though is that the northern pass's western section was flooded, which would imply that a new one was formed, or the water froze over completely by now, or the Dominion build boats to ship forces to Drizzlewood Coast.

    So it's entirely plausible the United Legions marched out from Ascalon and got a goahead to pass through northern Kryta. But it's also possible they followed Bangar's route through Grothmar since the Imperators were all in the area at the time. It isn't elaborated on.

    @Tazer.2157 said:
    If they followed the same route, then why do we start out in the south of the map making our way north where the citadel is?

    Because the Dominion started from the southern end of Drizzlewood too. The pass into the Far Shiverpeaks into Kryta/Woodland Cascades lies between Drizzlewood and Harathi Hinterlands - we use it in GW1 to enter Verdant Cascades, which marks the very southern border of Drizzlewood Coast. Of course, this pass as mentioned was destroyed by Jormag's awakening and the massive inland sea, but that would just make it easier for Dominion to land north and Allied Legions to land south if they used the same route.

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    And since the Drizzlewood coast is so far away from Charr lands, is it really possible to have a civil war there? I would think that the Norn and the humans reinforcements would be the first to arrive there when news broke that the Charr was invading the place as they are much closer.

    There is no doubt some civil warring happening in Ascalon and the other charr homelands, all things considered - we don't ever see any of the established Ash, Blood, or Iron tribunes from the core game such as Mia Kindleshot and Bhuer Goreblade (Iron) or Fierhan Sparwind (Blood) or Makk the Silent and Torga Desertgrave (Ash). They're unlikely to just be holding camp while their imperators are on the front lines. But the reason why Drizzlewood is the place for charr war is twofold:

    1) Nostalgia. ANet is milking the kitten out of revisiting old places for Icebrood Saga, just as they've been doing since... well, the entire game. Sure we get the odd new zone map here and there like Orr, Lake Doric, or Sandswept Isles, but 90% of the maps have been going through old areas, and Drizzlewood is just knocking off that nostalgia for Verdant Cascades, even if only the southern border overlaps and is given the same naming.
    2) Jormag. The Dominion is going after Jormag, the Allied Legions are trying to stop that. So naturally, there's a race to reach Jormag and the Dominion got the head start.

    Krytans are still caught up in their war with the centaurs, but they do send support to the charr legions. And norn don't have any form of army so there's nothing they'd bring to the table at this point (only one norn settlement was attacked here, and if they didn't rally an army to stop the Molten Alliance that attacked multiple villages and homesteads, why would they here?).

    This honestly feels like the final season of game of thrones where armies were literally teleported through vast distances episode after episode. I just don’t buy it.

    Keep in mind that multiple months passed since the armies began mustering. Bangar began moving his troops at the end of the prologue, and the other imperators have been prepping all that time. They were 100% mobilized and moving by the end of the second episode while the Commander was recovering from their wounds. There was no "moving armies overnight" or anything - they've been moving for four months minimum. But it was all off-screen. Rytlock mentions the civil war brewing both at the end of Episode 2 and during Visions of the Past story.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    They possibly used Mesmer magic to teleport in.

  • Tazer.2157Tazer.2157 Member ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the explanation and the map. It seems to me that a lot of things were not explained unless one is really familiar with the lore. Hope the ambient dialogue in the Drizzlewood coast fills all the recent events in. In heart of thorns, we saw the entire pact travel in airships and crash down into the jungle, I do not know why they didn't do something similar here. The wreckage of ships, tanks, etc would really be an indication of time that has passed in the game and give some sort of time frame to the war.

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    Keep in mind that the majority of the Charr forces would've been transported by Charr Copter, which means they could come from anywhere. On top of this, all the war machines belong to the Iron Legion, from Black Citadel, which means they would've arrived from the Diessa Plateau pass up through the Shiverpeaks from Ascalon, probably moving west from Frostgorge Sound around Drakkar Spurs.

    Remember that by this point the Pact had pretty much cleared the Northern Shiverpeaks of Jormag's presence. The closest its influence can be felt is Bitterfrost Frontier, so traversing the terrain likely isn't nearly as difficult as before.

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  • Also in No Quarter there is a collection Mysterious Documents that show the movement thru the eyes of a Tengu clan that was living there prior to the war. The documents outline that they came up thru the Shiverpeaks that we see in Visions of the past the the Steel warband had cleared a path for the machines thru Stone summit territory for Bamgar. This happened before episode 1 where we see the fate of Allmora. So if you think about it this was being planned long before we were involved.

  • @Tazer.2157 said:

    Thanks for the explanation and the map. It seems to me that a lot of things were not explained unless one is really familiar with the lore. Hope the ambient dialogue in the Drizzlewood coast fills all the recent events in. In heart of thorns, we saw the entire pact travel in airships and crash down into the jungle, I do not know why they didn't do something similar here. The wreckage of ships, tanks, etc would really be an indication of time that has passed in the game and give some sort of time frame to the war.

    There's a huge wreckage of submarines and boats off of the port. Pretty big indication that both or at least one army entered the area via navy.

    @Jack Swiftclaw.9076 said:
    Also in No Quarter there is a collection Mysterious Documents that show the movement thru the eyes of a Tengu clan that was living there prior to the war. The documents outline that they came up thru the Shiverpeaks that we see in Visions of the past the the Steel warband had cleared a path for the machines thru Stone summit territory for Bamgar. This happened before episode 1 where we see the fate of Allmora. So if you think about it this was being planned long before we were involved.

    Visions of the Past was depicting events shortly after Bound by Blood - the passage you see is Bangar moving his forces into the Bjora Marches area. And Goro's Journal is talking about the Dominion's approach. Neither answer the question of the United Legions' movements that OP is asking about.

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