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Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited September 16, 2020 in PVP

Should we expect zero changes to this meta until Cantha? Most people find the game currently unfun to play and simply aren't PvPing anymore just due to a few classes - power rev, holo, thief, reaper and res utilities/shock aura.

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  • @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Should we expect zero changes to this meta until Cantha?

    Yes, though if you're lucky, maybe one that won't change anything.

  • No one is working on pvp anymore.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:
    No one is working on pvp anymore.

    Seems that way.

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Obviously over powered condi rev and no stop flame spamming engi are just fine.

  • Tayga.3192Tayga.3192 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can't believe people actually expected a pvp patch.

    Anet NEVER does a balance patch in a big pve release.

  • Jwake.7013Jwake.7013 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    There was a thread in the pve section just asking what happened to the promised balance cadence back from the start of the year that never happened and that thread was just removed. It wasn't even aggressive or anything, just asking what had happened to that plan. So much for interacting with us. Guess I shouldn't have expected anything different.

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  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    I can't believe people actually expected a pvp patch.

    Anet NEVER does a balance patch in a big pve release.

    Why do people keep saying this? Last living story release came with a big balance patch.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/July_2020

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, they probably shifted the whole 3 devs they had working on pvp to help iterate on the elite specs coming with the expansion. Honestly if it speeds it up I don't even care at this point.

    At least we'll have brand new elite specs and people will be too busy trying them out finding new things that are broken and never getting attention. A change of gameplay would be welcome at this point.

    I'm hoping the next necro spec is strictly single-target power damage without excessive aoe.

    Or another zoo necro build using skeletons and Shiro'ken. That way I can continue laughing as my minions play the game for me.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its likely all hands outside of those working on Living world are in on the expansion. The expansion was NOT planned and they clearly demonstrated that when the Saga was announced; Likely the saga was NOT having the expected outcome and much like S2 and HoT it became a "We need an expansion... NOW!" moment and so what we have is what we will be stuck with.... Just be glad there isn't the same kind of "content" drought between now and then as there was when HoT was oncoming.

    Because that... that was hell.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    Its likely all hands outside of those working on Living world are in on the expansion. The expansion was NOT planned and they clearly demonstrated that when the Saga was announced; Likely the saga was NOT having the expected outcome and much like S2 and HoT it became a "We need an expansion... NOW!" moment and so what we have is what we will be stuck with.... Just be glad there isn't the same kind of "content" drought between now and then as there was when HoT was oncoming.

    Because that... that was hell.

    Almost like people told them we need expacs but for some reason Anet thinks 3rd times the charm and LS , which generates literally zero sales revenue, is good for them and good for players. lol

    We'll be in this EXACT same situation after cantha where they'll pretend LS can replace expacs again and then they'll rush to make another expac.

    I thought it was pretty funny honestly when living world was announced through the saga; I said literally too my family. (My parents, brother, I and many others in my family all play and have since Gw1) "This didn't work and never has worked... I dont know why they want to die on this hill." And the reality is I honestly dead-set beleive they just DONT want to work on this game anymore. Or this IP I fully believe the intention was to end things in S4 with aurene ascending and either GW3 announcement at some point or a new IP.

    Expansion > Living world, Too my Living world is like the content patches between expansions in WoW. It continues to the story and adds some new stuff to saitiate players while you craft a expansion that is WELL MADE. But it seems that history repeats itself and well, thats how these specific developers think and I believe honestly that might be changing due to them now being under the thumb of NCsoft-west. I mean look at all the content that has sat around for years, unused that is suddenly being finished and pushed out to hold us over. (This fratal was one from a long time ago, just repurposed. The norn shaman armor was here for a long time, The school outfit had an original version that never saw the light of day.)

    I dont want you or I to be right.... I hope they learn. But.... well... here we are so I can't disprove your point. Also lmfao the balance attempt in feb? Will be irrelevant with cantha comes out and brings back the power creep... which will be even more felt due to everything else being weaker by a wide margin in comparison. (Unless they don't do E-specs and just stick to masteries/maps which would just kill the expansion for me.)

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  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    Its likely all hands outside of those working on Living world are in on the expansion. The expansion was NOT planned and they clearly demonstrated that when the Saga was announced; Likely the saga was NOT having the expected outcome and much like S2 and HoT it became a "We need an expansion... NOW!" moment and so what we have is what we will be stuck with.... Just be glad there isn't the same kind of "content" drought between now and then as there was when HoT was oncoming.

    Because that... that was hell.

    Almost like people told them we need expacs but for some reason Anet thinks 3rd times the charm and LS , which generates literally zero sales revenue, is good for them and good for players. lol

    We'll be in this EXACT same situation after cantha where they'll pretend LS can replace expacs again and then they'll rush to make another expac.

    I dont want you or I to be right.... I hope they learn. But.... well... here we are so I can't disprove your point. Also lmfao the balance attempt in feb? Will be irrelevant with cantha comes out and brings back the power creep... which will be even more felt due to everything else being weaker by a wide margin in comparison. (Unless they don't do E-specs and just stick to masteries/maps which would just kill the expansion for me.)

    They had to get the A-OK from NCSoft to stop making expacs, too. Just...what?

  • @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Should we expect zero changes to this meta until Cantha? Most people find the game currently unfun to play and simply aren't PvPing anymore just due to a few classes - power rev, holo, thief, reaper and res utilities/shock aura.

    Teef 🤪 ... nobody can take u seriously...

  • Imagine thinking that Anet would change... :)

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    Its likely all hands outside of those working on Living world are in on the expansion. The expansion was NOT planned and they clearly demonstrated that when the Saga was announced; Likely the saga was NOT having the expected outcome and much like S2 and HoT it became a "We need an expansion... NOW!" moment and so what we have is what we will be stuck with.... Just be glad there isn't the same kind of "content" drought between now and then as there was when HoT was oncoming.

    Because that... that was hell.

    Almost like people told them we need expacs but for some reason Anet thinks 3rd times the charm and LS , which generates literally zero sales revenue, is good for them and good for players. lol

    We'll be in this EXACT same situation after cantha where they'll pretend LS can replace expacs again and then they'll rush to make another expac.

    I dont want you or I to be right.... I hope they learn. But.... well... here we are so I can't disprove your point. Also lmfao the balance attempt in feb? Will be irrelevant with cantha comes out and brings back the power creep... which will be even more felt due to everything else being weaker by a wide margin in comparison. (Unless they don't do E-specs and just stick to masteries/maps which would just kill the expansion for me.)

    They had to get the A-OK from NCSoft to stop making expacs, too. Just...what?

    I mean Im not sure they got the OK from NC-soft. I remember either before or After HoT guild wars 2 and A-net moved from being directly under NCsoft to them being more free to do what they want. I dont want to say self-publishing but they are as it is less under the control of NCsoft and that is exactly when things began to spiral out of control, because as much of a lead dev as Mo and Mike-Z were I feel like they were really bad at actually driving their company and working as the boss. They seemed to be more hands on and less, well CEO/Lead of a project who mediates things. You can see this in the direction the game took as its been all over the place~

    I find it funny that both MO, Mike Z and even Collin from guild wars 2's birth hated the idea of expansions and thought Living world could carry the day. All of the cases when they tried to move away from expansions, living world failed and it failed hard. It can't meet expansions even half-way with the reception and content and as it stands I feel like living world is just a content phase of patches to tide us over until next expansion. It works will in tandem with an expansion, it does not replace the expansion once so ever. (I've never once been excited for living world. But expansions? Hecc'n yea!)

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tayga.3192 said:
    I can't believe people actually expected a pvp patch.

    Anet NEVER does a balance patch in a big pve release.

    Actually their release schedule is a chaos. They used to drop traitline and whole class reworks mid-season, sometimes PvP and PvE content releases coincide, sometimes they get delviered separately, we were promised much much more changes to PvP beside the the initial damage nerfs, those did not came true either... with consistency like this, it's no wonder people have their expectations all over the place.

    Although I have to admit, the consistency with which they update the gemstore is really impressive.

  • I actually think they were planning to do an expansion all along, but were hoping that we'd fall for the "oh the Saga is your new expansion" nonsense so they'd have a bit more time and goodwill to work on the real expansion. Since none of us seemed to take the bait, they probably rushed out an announcement and perhaps accelerated the timetable.

    But either way, the way they went about things annoys me. If I'm right and they really were planning an xpac all along, it irks me that they thought we'd swallow the Saga as some sort of reasonable alternative to a real xpac. If others are right and they didn't plan on doing an xpac until the Saga blew up in their faces, then.... there are some serious competence issues at the studio.

    Along those same lines, I think any player expecting that they'd make good on their new balance cadence fell victim to their own wishful thinking. Absolutely nothing we've seen so far from ANet indicated that they'd be able to keep that commitment.

  • Ouk.5914Ouk.5914 Member ✭✭✭

    imagine thinking that anet actually cared for it's player base that wanted to actually enjoy it's "pvp". They haven't done a single good thing at all within the last 2 years for this game mode so why do you guys continue to make these post that go unnoticed ?

    They clearly don't listen nor care enough to make the effort as they claimed. Example following to this would be the fact that they literally haven't posted a single thing to inform anyone at all about whats the plan for the game mode lol or better yet a statement as to why they been radio silent for close to 6 months now for the game mode. If ya'll want to really see a change then leave the game and move onto something that would actually get some attention till they decide to make a difference for the community. Feeding into their lies over and over again is pretty depressing to see especially knowing that they do 1 solid balance patch and then go back to hiding.

    PvP is dead, Monthly is Dead/Boring, Na hardly has Players, WvW in Na is dead, EU starting to die down and theirs absolutely zero tournaments worth even playing in for this game from what little the community puts up.

  • @Ouk.5914 said:
    imagine thinking that anet actually cared for it's player base that wanted to actually enjoy it's "pvp". They haven't done a single good thing at all within the last 2 years for this game mode so why do you guys continue to make these post that go unnoticed ?

    They clearly don't listen nor care enough to make the effort as they claimed. Example following to this would be the fact that they literally haven't posted a single thing to inform anyone at all about whats the plan for the game mode lol or better yet a statement as to why they been radio silent for close to 6 months now for the game mode. If ya'll want to really see a change then leave the game and move onto something that would actually get some attention till they decide to make a difference for the community. Feeding into their lies over and over again is pretty depressing to see especially knowing that they do 1 solid balance patch and then go back to hiding.

    PvP is dead, Monthly is Dead/Boring, Na hardly has Players, WvW in Na is dead, EU starting to die down and theirs absolutely zero tournaments worth even playing in for this game from what little the community puts up.

    Ahhhhhh........yup!

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    Its likely all hands outside of those working on Living world are in on the expansion. The expansion was NOT planned and they clearly demonstrated that when the Saga was announced; Likely the saga was NOT having the expected outcome and much like S2 and HoT it became a "We need an expansion... NOW!" moment and so what we have is what we will be stuck with.... Just be glad there isn't the same kind of "content" drought between now and then as there was when HoT was oncoming.

    Because that... that was hell.

    Almost like people told them we need expacs but for some reason Anet thinks 3rd times the charm and LS , which generates literally zero sales revenue, is good for them and good for players. lol

    We'll be in this EXACT same situation after cantha where they'll pretend LS can replace expacs again and then they'll rush to make another expac.

    I dont want you or I to be right.... I hope they learn. But.... well... here we are so I can't disprove your point. Also lmfao the balance attempt in feb? Will be irrelevant with cantha comes out and brings back the power creep... which will be even more felt due to everything else being weaker by a wide margin in comparison. (Unless they don't do E-specs and just stick to masteries/maps which would just kill the expansion for me.)

    They had to get the A-OK from NCSoft to stop making expacs, too. Just...what?

    I mean Im not sure they got the OK from NC-soft. I remember either before or After HoT guild wars 2 and A-net moved from being directly under NCsoft to them being more free to do what they want. I dont want to say self-publishing but they are as it is less under the control of NCsoft and that is exactly when things began to spiral out of control, because as much of a lead dev as Mo and Mike-Z were I feel like they were really bad at actually driving their company and working as the boss. They seemed to be more hands on and less, well CEO/Lead of a project who mediates things. You can see this in the direction the game took as its been all over the place~

    I find it funny that both MO, Mike Z and even Collin from guild wars 2's birth hated the idea of expansions and thought Living world could carry the day. All of the cases when they tried to move away from expansions, living world failed and it failed hard. It can't meet expansions even half-way with the reception and content and as it stands I feel like living world is just a content phase of patches to tide us over until next expansion. It works will in tandem with an expansion, it does not replace the expansion once so ever. (I've never once been excited for living world. But expansions? Hecc'n yea!)

    Elite specs (or new weapons/utilities and so forth) are the new content. Everything else is secondary. 1 map (which for the last 3 years, has been more miss that hit) and ~1 hour of story (mostly miss here) are not content to keep players engaged for few hours, not 3 month. Even if it is "free" (only if you purchased PoF). I much rather pay for good content than get mediocre free content.

    And sPvP balance patches means nothing now, considering that sPvP is currently a dumpster fire. A Feb 2020 balance patch is what need, and not by the current devs. They do not have the vision, the knowledge or even willing to put the effort, to make sPvP thrive.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:
    Its likely all hands outside of those working on Living world are in on the expansion. The expansion was NOT planned and they clearly demonstrated that when the Saga was announced; Likely the saga was NOT having the expected outcome and much like S2 and HoT it became a "We need an expansion... NOW!" moment and so what we have is what we will be stuck with.... Just be glad there isn't the same kind of "content" drought between now and then as there was when HoT was oncoming.

    Because that... that was hell.

    Almost like people told them we need expacs but for some reason Anet thinks 3rd times the charm and LS , which generates literally zero sales revenue, is good for them and good for players. lol

    We'll be in this EXACT same situation after cantha where they'll pretend LS can replace expacs again and then they'll rush to make another expac.

    I dont want you or I to be right.... I hope they learn. But.... well... here we are so I can't disprove your point. Also lmfao the balance attempt in feb? Will be irrelevant with cantha comes out and brings back the power creep... which will be even more felt due to everything else being weaker by a wide margin in comparison. (Unless they don't do E-specs and just stick to masteries/maps which would just kill the expansion for me.)

    They had to get the A-OK from NCSoft to stop making expacs, too. Just...what?

    I mean Im not sure they got the OK from NC-soft. I remember either before or After HoT guild wars 2 and A-net moved from being directly under NCsoft to them being more free to do what they want. I dont want to say self-publishing but they are as it is less under the control of NCsoft and that is exactly when things began to spiral out of control, because as much of a lead dev as Mo and Mike-Z were I feel like they were really bad at actually driving their company and working as the boss. They seemed to be more hands on and less, well CEO/Lead of a project who mediates things. You can see this in the direction the game took as its been all over the place~

    I find it funny that both MO, Mike Z and even Collin from guild wars 2's birth hated the idea of expansions and thought Living world could carry the day. All of the cases when they tried to move away from expansions, living world failed and it failed hard. It can't meet expansions even half-way with the reception and content and as it stands I feel like living world is just a content phase of patches to tide us over until next expansion. It works will in tandem with an expansion, it does not replace the expansion once so ever. (I've never once been excited for living world. But expansions? Hecc'n yea!)

    Elite specs (or new weapons/utilities and so forth) are the new content. Everything else is secondary. 1 map (which for the last 3 years, has been more miss that hit) and ~1 hour of story (mostly miss here) are not content to keep players engaged for few hours, not 3 month. Even if it is "free" (only if you purchased PoF). I much rather pay for good content than get mediocre free content.

    And sPvP balance patches means nothing now, considering that sPvP is currently a dumpster fire. A Feb 2020 balance patch is what need, and not by the current devs. They do not have the vision, the knowledge or even willing to put the effort, to make sPvP thrive.

    Perhaps that was the point? Im beginning to think the intention was to put the final nails in the coffin so they could "Fractal" it.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:
    I actually think they were planning to do an expansion all along, but were hoping that we'd fall for the "oh the Saga is your new expansion" nonsense so they'd have a bit more time and goodwill to work on the real expansion. Since none of us seemed to take the bait, they probably rushed out an announcement and perhaps accelerated the timetable.

    But either way, the way they went about things annoys me. If I'm right and they really were planning an xpac all along, it irks me that they thought we'd swallow the Saga as some sort of reasonable alternative to a real xpac. If others are right and they didn't plan on doing an xpac until the Saga blew up in their faces, then.... there are some serious competence issues at the studio.

    Along those same lines, I think any player expecting that they'd make good on their new balance cadence fell victim to their own wishful thinking. Absolutely nothing we've seen so far from ANet indicated that they'd be able to keep that commitment.

    I mean they did say they knew there was a market for an expansion durring the announcemnt or around the time in interviews. But that they were not actively talking about it/designing one but that like SOOOO MANY OTHER FEATURES it was on the "table". So I don't believe they ever intended to do an expansion, and the saga was them trying to do the minimum with maximum in gains. And of course like the original incarnation of living world... (They said the same thing from Core to HoT ) It blew up in their face and failed... and then the rush to create HoT came which is why there was a huge content drought.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    I honestly thought we were going to get some small changes on the 15th for PvP balance.
    But at least we got the following:

    Structured Player vs. Player

    Living World Portal Tomes can now be used in the PvP Lobby.
    Massive Globs of Ectoplasm can now be used in the PvP Lobby.
    Potions of Ascalonian Mages can now be used in the PvP Lobby.
    
  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Should we expect zero changes to this meta until Cantha? Most people find the game currently unfun to play and simply aren't PvPing anymore just due to a few classes - power rev, holo, thief, reaper and res utilities/shock aura.

    correct

  • unreal, anet doesnt care they just want your money

  • Probably not until the next expac.
    Later in the month or early in November when it goes to Steam.

    Will get some new people from that probably that are going to explore every aspect of the game which includes PvP so they'll try and clean it up a little bit at the last possible second.
    Safe to say there will be a preview if there's ever going to be a balance patch.

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  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:
    I actually think they were planning to do an expansion all along, but were hoping that we'd fall for the "oh the Saga is your new expansion" nonsense so they'd have a bit more time and goodwill to work on the real expansion. Since none of us seemed to take the bait, they probably rushed out an announcement and perhaps accelerated the timetable.

    But either way, the way they went about things annoys me. If I'm right and they really were planning an xpac all along, it irks me that they thought we'd swallow the Saga as some sort of reasonable alternative to a real xpac. If others are right and they didn't plan on doing an xpac until the Saga blew up in their faces, then.... there are some serious competence issues at the studio.

    Along those same lines, I think any player expecting that they'd make good on their new balance cadence fell victim to their own wishful thinking. Absolutely nothing we've seen so far from ANet indicated that they'd be able to keep that commitment.

    I mean they did say they knew there was a market for an expansion durring the announcemnt or around the time in interviews. But that they were not actively talking about it/designing one but that like SOOOO MANY OTHER FEATURES it was on the "table". So I don't believe they ever intended to do an expansion, and the saga was them trying to do the minimum with maximum in gains. And of course like the original incarnation of living world... (They said the same thing from Core to HoT ) It blew up in their face and failed... and then the rush to create HoT came which is why there was a huge content drought.

    I have not been in the good really old days. I started to play GW2 few month before HoY release.

    As for the saga. Not 100% certain about this statement, but supposedly one of the devs said the templates are expansion level feature, LMAO. Regardless of wither Anet thought the saga as expansion level content or not. It is not. Heck, considering the trashy masteries and that only 3 maps have been released in 12 month span, we are surely getting less than previous LWSs. I do not think Anet management is dumb. That was a deliberate publicity stunt. the prologue was solid, and for a short while people though we are getting expansion level map and story content at least. By the first release of the saga everyone understood this just another LW.

    And, the data mining indicate this saga has 4 more episodes. Presumably 2 more maps. Expansion probably fall next year.

    Since this is an spvp thread. not much really to be said here. Spvp was demolished on Feb 2020. This is... a shell of what it was. Slow, sluggish, imbalanced and boring. It is seriously kitten up on fundamental level. The whole thing needs rebuilding from scratch. It is really sad, cuz when pve stalls, at least spvp was fun. Now, I much rather farm mobs in Cursed Shore. Meta tiny patches are not going to do jack. And if the last few month are indication of anything, is that the only thing devs can do now, is nerf or remove. Buffing, redesigning or adding requires much more effort and creativity. This is clearly way beyond the current dev team capability. So when I see “we did not get a balance patch,” does it really matter?

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2020

    Two GOOD maps is better than 6 rushed trash maps, please do not complain about good things Anet has done.

    Feb patch was amazing, but the higher ups stopped CmC from finishing his vision and now CmC has zero control again so we're stuck with a bunker meta that's also a 2 shot meta because you need to be zerker amulet to kill a bunker before hell freezes over but that means every dps 2 shots eachother in engagements.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:
    I actually think they were planning to do an expansion all along, but were hoping that we'd fall for the "oh the Saga is your new expansion" nonsense so they'd have a bit more time and goodwill to work on the real expansion. Since none of us seemed to take the bait, they probably rushed out an announcement and perhaps accelerated the timetable.

    But either way, the way they went about things annoys me. If I'm right and they really were planning an xpac all along, it irks me that they thought we'd swallow the Saga as some sort of reasonable alternative to a real xpac. If others are right and they didn't plan on doing an xpac until the Saga blew up in their faces, then.... there are some serious competence issues at the studio.

    Along those same lines, I think any player expecting that they'd make good on their new balance cadence fell victim to their own wishful thinking. Absolutely nothing we've seen so far from ANet indicated that they'd be able to keep that commitment.

    I mean they did say they knew there was a market for an expansion durring the announcemnt or around the time in interviews. But that they were not actively talking about it/designing one but that like SOOOO MANY OTHER FEATURES it was on the "table". So I don't believe they ever intended to do an expansion, and the saga was them trying to do the minimum with maximum in gains. And of course like the original incarnation of living world... (They said the same thing from Core to HoT ) It blew up in their face and failed... and then the rush to create HoT came which is why there was a huge content drought.

    I have not been in the good really old days. I started to play GW2 few month before HoY release.

    As for the saga. Not 100% certain about this statement, but supposedly one of the devs said the templates are expansion level feature, LMAO. Regardless of wither Anet thought the saga as expansion level content or not. It is not. Heck, considering the trashy masteries and that only 3 maps have been released in 12 month span, we are surely getting less than previous LWSs. I do not think Anet management is dumb. That was a deliberate publicity stunt. the prologue was solid, and for a short while people though we are getting expansion level map and story content at least. By the first release of the saga everyone understood this just another LW.

    And, the data mining indicate this saga has 4 more episodes. Presumably 2 more maps. Expansion probably fall next year.

    Since this is an spvp thread. not much really to be said here. Spvp was demolished on Feb 2020. This is... a shell of what it was. Slow, sluggish, imbalanced and boring. It is seriously kitten up on fundamental level. The whole thing needs rebuilding from scratch. It is really sad, cuz when pve stalls, at least spvp was fun. Now, I much rather farm mobs in Cursed Shore. Meta tiny patches are not going to do jack. And if the last few month are indication of anything, is that the only thing devs can do now, is nerf or remove. Buffing, redesigning or adding requires much more effort and creativity. This is clearly way beyond the current dev team capability. So when I see “we did not get a balance patch,” does it really matter?

    I do want to throw out there... Factions for guild wars 1, was what put competitive on the map. It added most of the beloved modes and skills and builds that are spoken even today by people who played; Cantha was apart of factions. HoT reminded me a-lot of Eye of the north in how it wasn't huge, but it did add a whole bunch of PvE stuff and flushed out systems we had but weren't as active in using. And PoF was for sure nightfall 2.0 electric boogaloo, which also focused more on PvE to help push it to a more respectable place. Both Core Guild wars 1 and Factions had a heavy PvP focus, so with that said Im guessing and hoping that "End of dragons" will do what factions did so long ago... and will basically breathe life into our competitive/guild scene.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    Two GOOD maps is better than 6 rushed trash maps, please do not complain about good things Anet has done.

    Feb patch was amazing, but the higher ups stopped CmC from finishing his vision and now CmC has zero control again so we're stuck with a bunker meta that's also a 2 shot meta because you need to be zerker amulet to kill a bunker before hell freezes over but that means every dps 2 shots eachother in engagements.

    No, the 2 new maps are not better than LWS4 maps. Actually, LWS4 episode 2 and 4 maps are better than either of the saga maps. Prologue map is also better than either map but does not replyability. And LWS3 has multiple maps better than the saga maps.

    I dunno how much control CMC has, but... does it matter? We don’t deal with Anet individual devs, but the collective. The result is what matters. Also, if we go based on the preview posts, assuming that was CMC “vision,” clearly he would be the prime person responsible of why spvp has degraded to where we currently are. Plus, maybe if the full balance patch was incomplete, that it should not have been released? It is not the “vision” is not complete, rather Anet implemented half assed and poorly tested changes, to be fixed later. Is this supposed to be an excuse?

    In any case, the damage is already done. There needs to be major effort put to get Spvp to a stable place. I don’t see that happening, ever. Maybe next expansion will inject blood in sPvP. Till then, it will continue to shed active players.

  • mixxed.5862mixxed.5862 Member ✭✭✭

    Take off the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses boys!
    Pre-february patch PvP was even worse. Most skills would eat half your health and that forced you to run a full set of immunities, some of which even passive. And don't any of you remember bunker weaver and the old condi mirage?

    Right now though there's still many issues. Obviously holosmith is ridiculous with the damage spam, easy might stacking and blinds to no end. It's clear the new seven-shot needs a nerf because right now it's on the level of pre-february balance. Clearly guardian symbols need a rework and some of the more tanky builds should get their resustain nerfed to about warrior levels. But I don't think the old balance was any more fun.

  • @mixxed.5862 said:
    Take off the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses boys!
    Pre-february patch PvP was even worse. Most skills would eat half your health and that forced you to run a full set of immunities, some of which even passive. And don't any of you remember bunker weaver and the old condi mirage?

    Right now though there's still many issues. Obviously holosmith is ridiculous with the damage spam, easy might stacking and blinds to no end. It's clear the new seven-shot needs a nerf because right now it's on the level of pre-february balance. Clearly guardian symbols need a rework and some of the more tanky builds should get their resustain nerfed to about warrior levels. But I don't think the old balance was any more fun.

    Really shows based on how much Spvp population is thriving right now, and how swift those balance patches and reworks have been. :+1: