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  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 4, 2020

    At least based on this weekend T5 EU isn't that dead.

    Over 70+ players transferred within the past 9 months while people can leave freely to stack on most other host and link servers, even our links never were stacked as they used to be like last year or as recently as April. Deso is at least quarantined, from being Perma T1.

  • I see Arenanets Censorship is going on again so. Arenanet still doesnt like it being criticized? I guess some things will never Change haha
    So, as this gonna be deleted anyways, WHY IS GANDARA FULL? WHAT MONKEY DID THAT RELINKS? or was it a Dolphin? No human being would reach such a high level of stupidity then that Genius that programmed the system which decides if a Server is Full or not.. and the Linking. Maybe both done by the same Genius?

  • I'll try to be nice this time.
    Gandara basically has max 50 ppl online at all, during the whole day. We barely get 30 People on Commander during Primetime, yet we get no Link and are stated as FULL:
    I wanna wake you Up from that Illusion, GANDARA IS NOT FULL, we are a nearly empty server (based on WvWvW Activivty). As a Commander, I find it depressing how Arenanet solves Problems. Wait, they dont solve them, they make even more of them.

    Please do us all a Favor and start doing a good Job. Gandara is not Full, Desolation is not Full. Who in this beloved World got the idea of Linking National and International Servers? You really need to visit a therapist.
    Well, couldnt be more nice, since Anet is only giving us kitten. WvWvW Once was a competitive mode, now its just garbage. Thank you very much arenanet.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DaveTheKid.5293 said:
    I'll try to be nice this time.
    Gandara basically has max 50 ppl online at all, during the whole day. We barely get 30 People on Commander during Primetime, yet we get no Link and are stated as FULL:
    I wanna wake you Up from that Illusion, GANDARA IS NOT FULL, we are a nearly empty server (based on WvWvW Activivty). As a Commander, I find it depressing how Arenanet solves Problems. Wait, they dont solve them, they make even more of them.

    Please do us all a Favor and start doing a good Job. Gandara is not Full, Desolation is not Full. Who in this beloved World got the idea of Linking National and International Servers? You really need to visit a therapist.
    Well, couldnt be more nice, since Anet is only giving us kitten. WvWvW Once was a competitive mode, now its just garbage. Thank you very much arenanet.

    And BB that is actually the highest populated of all is just very high like always :D

    Perhaps in the future if you make servers unlinked change the status to very high for the remainder of the matchup untill relink, in that case we could get some players perhaps...

  • Inoki.6048Inoki.6048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2020

    @DaveTheKid.5293 said:
    Please do us all a Favor and start doing a good Job. Gandara is not Full, Desolation is not Full. Who in this beloved World got the idea of Linking National and International Servers? You really need to visit a therapist.
    Well, couldnt be more nice, since Anet is only giving us kitten. WvWvW Once was a competitive mode, now its just garbage. Thank you very much arenanet.

    I believe this whole linking of national with international servers is to force people into transferring to make money.

    Another example of an absolutely horrid gameplay experience is ROF with Ft. Ranik. Both medium aka empty, with barely 15 people forming a squad during prime time; hopelessly outnumbered and bullied into their corner with Deso and Jade Sea targeting them.

    The ones who suffer the most from this are new players who have expressed their concerns both in game and on our Discord—it’s your potential customers you’re alienating ANet, well done.

    Every transfer delays alliances.

  • Atticus.7194Atticus.7194 Member ✭✭✭

    I love the fact YB is a very very weak server on it's own (we do okay as a link server but that's it) then we get pushed to a core server with kaineng as a link and like 50%+ of their wvw guilds transfer off and everyone seems fine with that. Feels bad that the only real fight is which other server gets to punish us more. Just, yea you guys gotta work on your linking cause being thousands of points down every single day feels terrible and is not fun gameplay.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 9, 2020

    @DaveTheKid.5293 said:
    I'll try to be nice this time.
    Gandara basically has max 50 ppl online at all, during the whole day. We barely get 30 People on Commander during Primetime, yet we get no Link and are stated as FULL:
    I wanna wake you Up from that Illusion, GANDARA IS NOT FULL, we are a nearly empty server (based on WvWvW Activivty). As a Commander, I find it depressing how Arenanet solves Problems. Wait, they dont solve them, they make even more of them.

    Please do us all a Favor and start doing a good Job. Gandara is not Full, Desolation is not Full. Who in this beloved World got the idea of Linking National and International Servers? You really need to visit a therapist.
    Well, couldnt be more nice, since Anet is only giving us kitten. WvWvW Once was a competitive mode, now its just garbage. Thank you very much arenanet.

    I don't think anyone disagrees with the premise of your feelings Dave, we all know that the system isn't good, but haven't you followed the discussion on your own server one bit?

    For all we know (based on the posts about the linking system from when it was released) the system employs some sort of algorithm where hours played is an important factor but isn't an aggregate. It's likely something as simple as spending time and/or tripping objectives above a threshhold flagging you as WvW population for that server. It may be as low as 1hr/w which wouldn't make you "active" in most people's eyes but could be that in the system.

    Something like that would be very punishing for your server as it both has a rather old, casual and splintering community to begin with but also used to be an old PvX hub from before the Megaserver and Linking systems were made. That would also explain why it almost always surfs very high, often gets pushed into full and always seems to get pushed very deep into full anytime ArenaNet does something to encourage PvE players to try WvW as alot of players who are usually below the threshold and play on the Megaservers will flag for your server in WvW (as they were tied to it 2014) when there are events or sales.

    So the system is bad, it is most likely generally unfair towards your server or any other pre-Megaserver PvX hub or old casual but solid community (the kind of community that is ideal in the rest of this game but not in WvW for server lock purposes) and your server is also so disorganized that it feels much smaller than it actually is. All of those issues can exist at the same time. There is only one thing you can do something about. There is only one thing that ArenaNet are looking to do something about, hopefully before more communities die. If you should spend your time and energy on criticizing them, it is probably best spent on demanding delivery on the things that are in the pipeline.

    Simply claiming that your server isn't full when it very likely is full (based on how the system calculates) is less productive than ~Allianceswhen. If you want a different system then Alliances are a different system and some work has been put into it. There's no point in spending effort on the server system itself.

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2020

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    @DaveTheKid.5293 said:
    I'll try to be nice this time.
    Gandara basically has max 50 ppl online at all, during the whole day. We barely get 30 People on Commander during Primetime, yet we get no Link and are stated as FULL:
    I wanna wake you Up from that Illusion, GANDARA IS NOT FULL, we are a nearly empty server (based on WvWvW Activivty). As a Commander, I find it depressing how Arenanet solves Problems. Wait, they dont solve them, they make even more of them.

    Please do us all a Favor and start doing a good Job. Gandara is not Full, Desolation is not Full. Who in this beloved World got the idea of Linking National and International Servers? You really need to visit a therapist.
    Well, couldnt be more nice, since Anet is only giving us kitten. WvWvW Once was a competitive mode, now its just garbage. Thank you very much arenanet.

    ~ snip~

    Simply claiming that your server isn't full when it very likely is full (based on how the system calculates) is less productive than ~Allianceswhen. If you want a different system then Alliances are a different system and some work has been put into it. There's no point in spending effort on the server system itself.

    Its funny reading these comments that think its lot of work to adjust population caps within the algorithm so that servers don't go full with 1 5h+/day active commander. Its literally less than a day to adjust the mishaps within current system (transfer costs, relinking frequency, population status counting separately).

    Please, stop whiteknighting a company that isn't doing their job. Yea, alliances might come in 10 years and 1 day but lets be honest, fixing population statuses and transfer costs before the steam release might be just a little bit better than making it come in 10 years instead.

    Riformed - On break from commanding
    Diamond Legend
    ~Waiting for them to fix WvW~

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 11, 2020

    @Threather.9354 said:

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    @DaveTheKid.5293 said:
    I'll try to be nice this time.
    Gandara basically has max 50 ppl online at all, during the whole day. We barely get 30 People on Commander during Primetime, yet we get no Link and are stated as FULL:
    I wanna wake you Up from that Illusion, GANDARA IS NOT FULL, we are a nearly empty server (based on WvWvW Activivty). As a Commander, I find it depressing how Arenanet solves Problems. Wait, they dont solve them, they make even more of them.

    Please do us all a Favor and start doing a good Job. Gandara is not Full, Desolation is not Full. Who in this beloved World got the idea of Linking National and International Servers? You really need to visit a therapist.
    Well, couldnt be more nice, since Anet is only giving us kitten. WvWvW Once was a competitive mode, now its just garbage. Thank you very much arenanet.

    ~ snip~

    Simply claiming that your server isn't full when it very likely is full (based on how the system calculates) is less productive than ~Allianceswhen. If you want a different system then Alliances are a different system and some work has been put into it. There's no point in spending effort on the server system itself.

    Its funny reading these comments that think its lot of work to adjust population caps within the algorithm so that servers don't go full with 1 5h+/day active commander. Its literally less than a day to adjust the mishaps within current system (transfer costs, relinking frequency, population status counting separately).

    Please, stop whiteknighting a company that isn't doing their job. Yea, alliances might come in 10 years and 1 day but lets be honest, fixing population statuses and transfer costs before the steam release might be just a little bit better than making it come in 10 years instead.

    Haha, that sure was an interesting conclusion looking at my post history :3 .

    What you're looking for is probably rather the difference between explaining and defending. It's also the difference between just delusional crying and trying to discuss or deliver critique that is rooted in some kind of logic and argumentation (which is at our best as we do not work for Anet and have no insight).

    If Anet wanted to open up full servers then, yes, it wouldn't be more difficult for them than to go into a spreadsheet and change something that may say 2500 to 3500. That would open up a bunch of servers and it would allow even more players to stack on the servers that are being stacked with the result of even longer queues for those servers. However, that doesn't really give Gandara or Deso more commanders or content.

    In the case of Gandara the answer to why they are full right now is likely the thing I mentioned above: Casual core community that feels smaller than it is + higher than normal degree of PvE tourists compared to other servers, mediated through pandemic, recent event weeks and WvW-skin firesale. Something similar can be said about Deso but it is perhaps less a case of a casual core community and more a question of returning veterans comming in to tourist as Deso used to be one of the most stacked servers in Europe between the end of vanilla and HoT. That is just how the algorithm works.

    Changing the cap is one thing, changing the algorithm or anything else that has to do with the server architecture another.

  • polter.3241polter.3241 Member ✭✭
    edited October 18, 2020

    Its so insane to link two fight servers (SFR/WSR) in WvW. A-Net dont know what they are doing in WvW. I know a lot of ppl loosing fun playing WvW last weeks. Why A-Net, why?

  • Atticus.7194Atticus.7194 Member ✭✭✭

    @polter.3241 said:
    Its so insane to link two fight servers (SFR/WSR) in WvW. A-Net dont know what they are doing in WvW. I know a lot of ppl loosing fun playing WvW last weeks. Why A-Net, why?

    Cause they're pretty god awful at figuring out server population outside of wvw vs activity in wvw