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Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited October 1, 2020 in WvW

Currently, the warclaw has been nerfed to be pathetic useless.

  1. It doesn't really matter: leave it as it is or remove it
  2. Give it speed

Warclaw 80 votes

Totally remove it from WvW
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Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs
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  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I like Warclaw on builds that don't self pulse swiftness and don't have increased movement speed from traits.

    Also highly unlikely that Anet will willingly remove Warclaws and any prospect of making money off them through skins.

    They could make them into PvE mounts with another long dreary collection I guess.

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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    @Doug.4930 said:

    @Dayra.7405 said:
    Currently, the warclaw has been nerfed to be pathetic useless.

    Really? I haven't been playing for the past week or so. I'm guessing if I logged into WvW right now I wouldn't see a single warclaw right? I mean who would nerf themselves by using something so pathetic and useless.

    A lot of classes like thief with SB, ranger with GS, warrior with GS or MH-SW ... are much faster than a warclaw.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As for me warclaw should be more buffed, to make some bonus who have pof, and who not have pof.
    Don't have pack - be more meat for others. It should more motivate buy pof.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • UmbraNoctis.1907UmbraNoctis.1907 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 1, 2020
    Totally remove it from WvW

    Nothing is much faster on foot. Some might be able to keep up as long ooc and when burning through multiple cds, but why would anyone do that? The mount is by far the safest, most convenient and - for most players - also the fastest way of travelling arround. The fact that pretty much everyone, who has access to the mount - even those with mobile builds and those who don't like the mount (myself included) - uses it, shows that pretty clearly.

    It is also very uninteractive, boring and imbalanced and i'd love if it would get removed from WvW completely, unfortunately that's never going to happen. But there is still room for further nerfs ...

  • cannot vote here...

    first u cannot just remove it, we paid gold and time (okay only bc of the huge queues at its release) for it. also ppl are kinda used to it, the mistake was that it was brought into Wvw initially, it is however no mistake that can be corrected.

    second, speed doesn't fix it. it should rather be more bulky and get more skills and more utility.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Totally remove it from WvW

    Players from Guild That own X keep will have access to 1-3-5(depending lvl of the strucutre) warclaw mounts to be used. (remove the idiotic fiery transmogriffer from fire keep in excehnge to warclaw for example).
    Players while in Warclaw, will boost morale speed for its alies, will allow more +5 supply
    When arpoon is pulling gates, theres a small chance to get cracked effect, wich creates extra damage every 3 pulls, and bleed to anemies near that gate.
    Players can use their supply on warclaw to provide more pulls, like a ammo system.
    Extra skill that will burn gates and anemies close to it.

    Since warclaw as become a unique mount system, players will have to fight over the structure that givers that bonus, warclow would have to be buffed to be similiar in sturdiness of a siege golem or something arround that.

    This way will keep it and remove it at same time.

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  • Gorani.7205Gorani.7205 Member ✭✭✭

    Decided to no vote, because I can't get behind both options.

    I wish the Warclaw had some tactical value you can chose to have (only one can be active at a time) by talking to the trainer at the spawn point, e.g.:
    Supply Render - Unlocks another skill (use Mantra mechanic, that will go on a cool down when triggered), that when used will "steal" supply from a player, a dolly or a placeable siege you hit, up to your max supply capacity. The tactical value of this is having a source of supply outside of a camp, when you roam alone or in a two man team. Those could set up siege to attack something a lot easier, that would contest towers and keeps more often (weakening them over time) and forcing defenders to come out at hunt the supply stealing roamer.
    Gate crasher - Do double damage with your chain pulls, but only until the gate reaches 50% structural integrity. (The skill goes on cool down, if attached to chain that hits a gate with less than 50%). The tactical value would be that you have another "wear down" attack on stronger towers and keeps, so defenders need to tend to them and go out and hunt the roamers weakening the gates.
    Hungry Stride - Move faster again, but at the cost of spending supply to feed your warclaw, while this skill is active. There will be a tactical decision to be able to roam faster (or move an army faster) at the expense of supply, you might not have at the destination to build attacking siege.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    We are not getting rid of it cause Gems sales, so it might as well be useful as more than an second health bar...

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Biased poll...

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    There are some blind people playing this game if they can't see all the benefits the warclaw provides.

    Being able to load up enemies on condi they cant cleanse and then instantly pull + moa as they dismount is definetly a benefit for me, hah.

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  • NuhDah.9812NuhDah.9812 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    There are some blind people playing this game if they can't see all the benefits the warclaw provides.

    Being able to load up enemies on condi they cant cleanse and then instantly pull + moa as they dismount is definetly a benefit for me, hah.

    video or it never happened, lol

  • Mokk.2397Mokk.2397 Member ✭✭✭

    This is an absolute joke ! Another poll for warclaw . It' fine the way it is . It's not overly powerful or overly fast and it allows people access through a gate polluted with CCs to defend a structure that is under siege .
    If it was so unpopular then why is EVERYONE using it. If you don't like it don't use it . Simple .
    Enough with the stupid warclaw polls .

  • Totally remove it from WvW

    @Mokk.2397 said:
    If it was so unpopular then why is EVERYONE using it. If you don't like it don't use it . Simple .
    Enough with the stupid warclaw polls .

    Not using the warclaw does not stop other players from using it. Unmounted players are at a huge disadvantage against mounted players, so there is not much choice but to use it and if it is just for that single lousy dismount attempt.

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

  • Jugglemonkey.8741Jugglemonkey.8741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Totally remove it from WvW

    Keep it as it is. It was too fast before to the point that builds that relied on mobility were pointless, now they still have a purpose and warclaw fits it's niche of allowing slow classes to keep up with the zerg. I could see an argument for reducing it's health (or at least removing the interaction with dura runes) but otherwise it feels in a good place.

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  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    I wouldn't mind a speed increase, mostly because traveling around red borderlands is a pain.
    I wish they'd update the older maps to be similar to red borderlands. The old ones are small and flat making traversing very easy with warclaw especially on EBG.

  • The thing I don't like about the warclaw is the dash. When you're on the warclaw, it feels horrible and clunky. You mostly use it as a speed boost and I think it's most the reason people feel it's slow because you leap against an invisible wall all the time. It feels like something that was nerfed and I don't even know whether it was or it was always like that. From the other perspective, it's an evade every few seconds and the warclaw is like anti PvP enabler. Unless you're caught by a zerg or you meet one of the very few people with the lance, then you are pretty much invincible on the warclaw. Re-inforcements can get the location, no problem. Want to just ride past and ignore enemies outside your location, no problem. Reeee go away with this fighting, I just want to zerg, no problem. Honestly, I think at times they should rename it the wimpclaw.

    For the topic though, I'd like the dash removed, replaced with a leap forward which functions like the springer jump (you stop and power a jump) and the base speed brought up to compensate that. Then maybe it would be feel better, without making an actual difference to getting about.

  • SweetPotato.7456SweetPotato.7456 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    I want to be able to fight while mounted.
    I also wish all the rest of the mount can be use in WvW
    And i would like to have Mount Skin drop in WvW whenever we capture a keep :D
    also would like to have bag spaces on the mount so i do not need to clear my bag so much.
    Dancing mount should be nice too.
    I would venture to say this, let me pick up a friend on my mount

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NuhDah.9812 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    There are some blind people playing this game if they can't see all the benefits the warclaw provides.

    Being able to load up enemies on condi they cant cleanse and then instantly pull + moa as they dismount is definetly a benefit for me, hah.

    video or it never happened, lol

    Hell I do this all the time. Its great when you can load em up, they dismount and as they dismount, you knock them down and load em up more xD

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  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

    So what if im a roamer AND want to keep it? gasp that make me a special breed? YAY!

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  • Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    We need more things in WvW, not less.
    Also, it's very helpful for classes whitout perma-swiftness and/or plenty of mobility, mainly necro.
    I do agree though that it should also be more useful to those classes who already have good mobility, even if to a lesser degree.

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

    So what if im a roamer AND want to keep it? gasp that make me a special breed? YAY!

    I cannot edit the poll-choices, but for people like you I extended (in the text) the meaning of the the 1st choice to
    keep it as is or remove it (what, as others already pointed out, will not happen anyway :) and at least I think: currently it is as useless as beeing removed, already)

  • NuhDah.9812NuhDah.9812 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    There are some blind people playing this game if they can't see all the benefits the warclaw provides.

    Being able to load up enemies on condi they cant cleanse and then instantly pull + moa as they dismount is definetly a benefit for me, hah.

    video or it never happened, lol

    Hell I do this all the time. Its great when you can load em up, they dismount and as they dismount, you knock them down and load em up more xD

    You can dismount before being knocked down, though. Also, you can evade most of the condi bomb on the mount too, you have 2 dodges.

  • Bigpapasmurf.5623Bigpapasmurf.5623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @NuhDah.9812 said:

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @NuhDah.9812 said:
    There are some blind people playing this game if they can't see all the benefits the warclaw provides.

    Being able to load up enemies on condi they cant cleanse and then instantly pull + moa as they dismount is definetly a benefit for me, hah.

    video or it never happened, lol

    Hell I do this all the time. Its great when you can load em up, they dismount and as they dismount, you knock them down and load em up more xD

    You can dismount before being knocked down, though. Also, you can evade most of the condi bomb on the mount too, you have 2 dodges.

    Not if they dont see it coming ;)

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  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020
    Totally remove it from WvW

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

    Wrong :|

    it evens avoid us to know where enemy is before they try to get us behind walls, there no stack and hiding now xD

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020

    @Dayra.7405 said:

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

    So what if im a roamer AND want to keep it? gasp that make me a special breed? YAY!

    I cannot edit the poll-choices, but for people like you I extended (in the text) the meaning of the the 1st choice to
    keep it as is or remove it (what, as others already pointed out, will not happen anyway :) and at least I think: currently it is as useless as beeing removed, already)

    Lol seriously.

    You might as well have made a poll with

    Question: Warclaw?
    Option 1: "Yes, but actually no."
    Option 2: "No, but actually yes."

    I do believe the poll in this thread now takes the prize for the worst poll ever.

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  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020

    The point isn't to outrun all players.

    The point is to give any solo player the ability to move at about "zerg speed" — perma-Swiftness — so small pockets of reinforcements aren't slower than the normal full comp group.

    Anyone who's moving faster than the Warclaw is paying for it by popping lots of cooldowns, and exposing themselves to CC.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Totally remove it from WvW

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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Dayra.7405 said:

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

    So what if im a roamer AND want to keep it? gasp that make me a special breed? YAY!

    I cannot edit the poll-choices, but for people like you I extended (in the text) the meaning of the the 1st choice to
    keep it as is or remove it (what, as others already pointed out, will not happen anyway :) and at least I think: currently it is as useless as beeing removed, already)

    Lol seriously.

    You might as well have made a poll with

    Question: Warclaw?
    Option 1: "Yes, but actually no."
    Option 2: "No, but actually yes."

    I do believe the poll in this thread now takes the prize for the worst poll ever.

    Maybe you have probvlems understanding it, maybe because you don't like to understand it, but it's as simple as
    1) Don't speed it (keep it useless or drop it)
    -or
    2) speed it

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020
    Totally remove it from WvW

    Why not, then once that's done we can show Anet how completely bi polar we all are by complaining endlessly that its been removed.

  • archmagus.7249archmagus.7249 Member ✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    @Dayra.7405 said:
    Currently, the warclaw has been nerfed to be pathetic useless.

    1. It doesn't really matter: leave it as it is or remove it
    2. Give it speed

    Movement speed is capped at +40%. Superspeed gives you a +100% speed boost but basically all that means is you still have max movement speed while chilled or crippled. Essentially the warclaw gives you a 40% speed boost.

    If you're posting this I assume you haven't seen the other skills the warclaw can do: marking enemies on the map, damaging gates (really should be affected by seige might), hitting other players with a spear.

  • firedragon.8953firedragon.8953 Member ✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    Increase speed in WvW.

    Also, make it the only obtainable mount for F2P since it is not tied to the PvE PoF mastery system and lore. Fixes two (maybe even three?) whine camps in one go!

  • Removing it completely would be nice, but because I know ANet won't do that, I think it's in an okay spot right now. It isn't too fast but it's still a universal speed boost. It also grants an AOE movement speed increase if the proper mastery is fulfilled which is great for people that haven't yet unlocked Warclaw. It has only two dodges so players can't just mash evade to escape anymore. And it has a skill that can dismount others instantly.

    It is absolutely not useless. If it had no skills at all it would still be very strong. Additional dodges and health as well as the increased movement speed are all powerful buffs to anyone on it. It was way too fast before the nerf and allowed people to almost completely avoid combat if they chose, and it is still easy to do so but a whole lot less so.

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Totally remove it from WvW

    @LetoII.3782 said:
    One word: Jousting

    We should have gone there but at this point I think it's too late. We had vast potential here but now its just wasted. We could have had something no other MMO had as of yet, but now we have offal.

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Totally remove it from WvW

    Just remove it at this point. First remove it from the Gem Store, stop trying to sell it. Refund those that might have bought skins, and just remove it. Get it out of WvW so it stops dividing people.

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  • Galmac.4680Galmac.4680 Member ✭✭✭
    Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    I like my warclaw, but it's so slow. Make it fast again!

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  • Give it speed to run faster than any class can be with skills and bufs

    Bring back the warclaw speed we had when we were in owned territories, but just make the speed for everyone everywhere.
    At least then you don't feel like you're riding a turtle.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Totally remove it from WvW

    Either speed , finishing or none at all.

    one of those options is enough to make me happy.

  • Straegen.2938Straegen.2938 Member ✭✭✭

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    Good poll. Gankers and roamers will vote for a removal. The others not. :P

    True. As both a near full time ganker/roamer those kitten warclaws make escape a seriously more difficult affair.

  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2020

    This poll has worse options than Anet's balance scheme. This is proof that as bad as Anet is at balancing this game, it can always get worse.

    Allow me to be blunt. There is no point in making these complaints because you are not dying because of the warclaw or its lack of power. The cause is between the monitor and the seat, and no balance changes can affect that.

    I mean I don't want to pick on anyone in particular, and I'm addressing people in general. Do you ride your mount in a straight line to the dorito and pretend you're not responsible for any of your actions until you get there? I mean I do the above sometimes and I get killed (a lot). Just try not to do it again.

    Whatever though. It'll fall on deaf ears. I'm only typing this for other people; it doesn't affect me either way.

    Btw once before they invented the lance I went afk for 5 minutes autorunning on my mount. When I came back people were chasing me, but couldn't kill me. If you think that's good gameplay, well...