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Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

Hi,

Please do not take this to heart and try to understand where I am coming from. For context: I use to play this game back in the day of release and all I did back then was spvp and from time to time wvw and man was that a blast and not once did I get triggered or felt like I am playing somehting that is kitten in the "meta" hence there was no such thing as meta back then, if you know you know.

I have recently returned to the game and boy oh boy am I so disappointed at what has happened to the pvp system, so the new class looks cool and the new specs was the main reason I thought HMMMM lets go back to my good old friend gw2 and then I do that and what a mystake that was. I come back to try out the new ranger elite specs just to find out that im getting eaten left and rigth by classes I could easily topple back in 2015 regardless melee or ranged. Now its full of broken classes that have infinite heals and infinite toughness and they can tank and at the same time burst and do all kinds of kitten that is just beyond me. How in the logic of all this have Anet thought HMMMM a tank class should be able to also burst targets down ?!?!!? Since when in mmos do tanks deal dmg ? I can not contest a single class and trust me I know how to play my class really I use to play with top 50 in spvp and some really good players in wvw that wouldnt take you if you werent anything but good. Regardless I am not here to boast and say "I AM THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR I AM THE BEAST OF ALL BEASTS" no absolutely not I can accept defeat here and there but to get 1 shot and 2 comboed left and right by classes that could never do that before is rediculous in my opinion. The game needs a massive fix and this is not the right way forward, you can not force people to play other classes just because its "meta" gw2 was never about meta sorry not sorry it was always about pvping and pveing with whatever class you pleased to play, thats what made me fall in love with gw2 that I can play what i like and no one can counter me cause I can counter them it was always equal. Imagine it was so good back then that even necros werent a contest.

Long story short please do not hate on me but try to understand where I am coming from I do not mean to sound too mean or ignorant but if you were a player from the time I played and if you were a pvper I am 100% you can relate and understand what point I am trying to make, I am generally disappointed and money gone to the wind for the expansions cause the pvp is just plain dead, they might aswell remove it and make gw2 like FFXIV a pve game it would suit it better back then we used skill to pvp now people spam skills and think "im good at gw2" you aint mate.

Yours truly,
Beezl

Comments

  • dtox.8397dtox.8397 Member ✭✭

    Hum, if by "the new class" you mean revenant, then u took a break looong ago. Usually when u take a break you come back very rusty, and after so many patches (and elite specs!) you kinda dont know what you are dealing with. Right now i feel that any ranger "type" (core, druid and soulbeast) can do just fine, in the right hand.
    Now about the damage: There was a massive dmg nerf, Feb/2020. So what i feel is that many ppl are running Zerk/Dmg oriented traits, cuz if they dont, bunkers would rain.

  • If it helps you I can explain the spot ranger is in. Ranger has some good dps and condi builds rn, but if u wanna be meta it needs to a side node bunker or a hybrid bunker/some dps. To achieve a side noder rn that can tank and do something offensive wise you definitely want core for the extra traitline - either marks for those great sword combos or nature magic for defensive modifier spam. There are some druid builds out there that are basically just annoying your opponent with cc and immob, but are not even good in sustain or damage so I don’t recommend druid at all, even though there’s a decap build that’s cancer(again it just does nothing else so I don’t recommend). The only other option that actually works like core rn is a build I posted in the ranger forum- https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/115996/good-and-balanced-ranger-build-for-pvp-ats#latest . This has offensive pressure with good stat boost etc. from beast mastery and also great synergy of defensive boon stacking as well as the ability to rotate and decap + dps well.
    So pretty much unless you want some kindof meme build u really wanna play a bunker/hybrid dps core or soulbeast build to do well rn and that’s just the reality of where rangers at rn.

  • Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

    Only way to resolve this is to actually buff up rangers otherwise it is plain boring and tedious to roam with a ranger, your pet is not so effective, every other class with the new specs has 300 engages and can always get to your kitten. If there is to be a fix the burst of ranger has to be buffed so that no one can get to you when you are starting the burst. Plus using smokescale in beastmode is useless everyone knows what you are about to do after you charge at them, compared to other classes its not so predictable.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Only way to resolve this is to actually buff up rangers otherwise it is plain boring and tedious to roam with a ranger, your pet is not so effective, every other class with the new specs has 300 engages and can always get to your kitten. If there is to be a fix the burst of ranger has to be buffed so that no one can get to you when you are starting the burst. Plus using smokescale in beastmode is useless everyone knows what you are about to do after you charge at them, compared to other classes its not so predictable.

    Yeah....the class has been nerfed several times since you left, druid especially has seen nothing but nerfs for 1.5 years straight, they touched everything including staff and heal coefficients; Soulbeast can now only work with one pet at time so..you need to work accordingly and Core ranger not surprisingly still stands to this day.

    About the pets....all "but the never used since launch" Moas and Devourers have been nerfed several times , some like smokescale do a fraction of the original dmg, while the most offensive glassy pets barely break the 1.4k dmg barrier on a tanky enemy; now mind you there is still Jacaranda and Gazelle that can deal good dmg still and I expect it to be "rectified" in the not far future.....just because some "trashbot" manages to get killed by a Jacaranda lightnings ...yeah..I know.

    If you were thinking of playing again some sort of "beastmaster"..yeah sorry it's gone but overall the class is still fun and enjoyable to play, the weapon skills are solid, they do what they're supposed to do; the core trait lines are pretty "stable" with..."decent" traits and the utilities are not top notch but not bad either.

    With a few hundred hours practice you should be able to enjoy the class again, all three elite choices ( core-druid-soulbeast) work in my opinion from PvE to WvW and with that said.....shall I be honest with you?

    You coming back is not worth your time, things will get worst before getting better ( assuming they'll ever will); yeah GW2 still occupies the Top spots when it comes to art and game engine ...everything else though....you'll find better elsewhere

  • @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Only way to resolve this is to actually buff up rangers otherwise it is plain boring and tedious to roam with a ranger, your pet is not so effective, every other class with the new specs has 300 engages and can always get to your kitten. If there is to be a fix the burst of ranger has to be buffed so that no one can get to you when you are starting the burst. Plus using smokescale in beastmode is useless everyone knows what you are about to do after you charge at them, compared to other classes its not so predictable.

    Yeah....the class has been nerfed several times since you left, druid especially has seen nothing but nerfs for 1.5 years straight, they touched everything including staff and heal coefficients; Soulbeast can now only work with one pet at time so..you need to work accordingly and Core ranger not surprisingly still stands to this day.

    About the pets....all "but the never used since launch" Moas and Devourers have been nerfed several times , some like smokescale do a fraction of the original dmg, while the most offensive glassy pets barely break the 1.4k dmg barrier on a tanky enemy; now mind you there is still Jacaranda and Gazelle that can deal good dmg still and I expect it to be "rectified" in the not far future.....just because some "trashbot" manages to get killed by a Jacaranda lightnings ...yeah..I know.

    If you were thinking of playing again some sort of "beastmaster"..yeah sorry it's gone but overall the class is still fun and enjoyable to play, the weapon skills are solid, they do what they're supposed to do; the core trait lines are pretty "stable" with..."decent" traits and the utilities are not top notch but not bad either.

    With a few hundred hours practice you should be able to enjoy the class again, all three elite choices ( core-druid-soulbeast) work in my opinion from PvE to WvW and with that said.....shall I be honest with you?

    You coming back is not worth your time, things will get worst before getting better ( assuming they'll ever will); yeah GW2 still occupies the Top spots when it comes to art and game engine ...everything else though....you'll find better elsewhere

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?POwAEdflFw8YdsQ2JWsPpr9JsD-zZALjGThMrATGA

    I use moa. That heal has come in clutch numerous times. Plus permanent fury uptime.

  • Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Only way to resolve this is to actually buff up rangers otherwise it is plain boring and tedious to roam with a ranger, your pet is not so effective, every other class with the new specs has 300 engages and can always get to your kitten. If there is to be a fix the burst of ranger has to be buffed so that no one can get to you when you are starting the burst. Plus using smokescale in beastmode is useless everyone knows what you are about to do after you charge at them, compared to other classes its not so predictable.

    Yeah....the class has been nerfed several times since you left, druid especially has seen nothing but nerfs for 1.5 years straight, they touched everything including staff and heal coefficients; Soulbeast can now only work with one pet at time so..you need to work accordingly and Core ranger not surprisingly still stands to this day.

    About the pets....all "but the never used since launch" Moas and Devourers have been nerfed several times , some like smokescale do a fraction of the original dmg, while the most offensive glassy pets barely break the 1.4k dmg barrier on a tanky enemy; now mind you there is still Jacaranda and Gazelle that can deal good dmg still and I expect it to be "rectified" in the not far future.....just because some "trashbot" manages to get killed by a Jacaranda lightnings ...yeah..I know.

    If you were thinking of playing again some sort of "beastmaster"..yeah sorry it's gone but overall the class is still fun and enjoyable to play, the weapon skills are solid, they do what they're supposed to do; the core trait lines are pretty "stable" with..."decent" traits and the utilities are not top notch but not bad either.

    With a few hundred hours practice you should be able to enjoy the class again, all three elite choices ( core-druid-soulbeast) work in my opinion from PvE to WvW and with that said.....shall I be honest with you?

    You coming back is not worth your time, things will get worst before getting better ( assuming they'll ever will); yeah GW2 still occupies the Top spots when it comes to art and game engine ...everything else though....you'll find better elsewhere

    You are right, I have experienced the lack of dmg on ranger and I am beyond disappointed that a "sniper" type class literally does no dmg, in my opinion rangers should be able to melt the same way dead eyes do and the way other classes do. I could literally meld with my pet do sicem on a target with zephyr quickness and strenght of the pack and do kitten dmg and the enemy hasnt even used any defensive skills cause they dont see me coming at them and i barely do half of their hp in dmg ... Now that is pathetic in my opinion. I actually dont see the point in them nerfing this class and making otherclasses superior literally, people in wvw just get to feel good about themselves when they play vs a ranger only cause it lacks dmg, if the dmg was how it use to be they wouldnt dare to duel rangers. Back then i can literally auto attack a person to death or fear them away cause it would do that much damage but its only logical at the end of the day you are a ranged class not a melee so you should be able to snipe off people just the same way that a melee should be able to eat you up if they are close in your face. But here is where the issue comes now every new spec and class has some sort of projectile deflection or block ... How is that even fair in any way ? I am not too sure what Anet were thinking with this but the ranger class has become one big 0, yes you are right about one thing its a fun class and it can be enjoyed but probably in pve but not in pvp. Its not fun outplaying people and then dishing out 0 dmg just for them to get back up and kill you in 1 combo, if thats how anet wants to deal with their balance then no point in even playing the game. Even with my abscence of 5 years and going against players who have played for prolly forever and outplaying them like its nothing should speak alot about the skill back then and the skill cap now. I met so many opponents and some good but most just skill spam fests that I was literally just kiting around and giving them a hard time but thats all I did cuase every time I unleashed a combo they survived it like its nothing so it felt pointless to pvp in the first place. Also the pet dmg dear lord the pets do 0 dmg ... literally no dmg at all its all changed for the worse and I am truly disappointed that I bought the expansions thinking that maybe the game has gone in an even better direction, but Im starting to feel like my fav class just wont be buffed in any way. I barely even see soulbeasts or any other rangers roaming solo literally so that by itself speaks alot. Thank you for your explanation and thank you for putting yourself in my shoes.

  • Andy.5981Andy.5981 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2020

    In answer to the question the OP posed, what happened is that players whined a lot about some classes (but not theirs no they weren't overperforming nope) in the mistaken belief they knew best for the game. Some "experts" were put in charge of some nerfs oops sorry balance patches which resulted in 'overperforming' builds shifting from some classes to others and then due to a number of reasons, so called "frequent" patches to sort the whole mess out failed to materialise.

    Welcome back to the game we all deserve.

  • KeoLegend.5132KeoLegend.5132 Member ✭✭✭

    I'll try to be succint:

    1. You are a returning player, so you have to learn the entire game again. You lost your reflexes, your class knowledge, everything. Because this is a MMO and every now and then everything changes.
    2. If you check out some PvP sections here you'll find tons of ppl saying that Ranger is too OP. The same is for almost every other class. So, point 1 again
    3. Tanks on PvP of many games are capable of dealing good damage, in fact in most of them, the tank is the BEST duelist. DPS classes are meant to be (usually) played withing a group while the Tank is good soloing (even tho he's more efficient in a group)
    4. If you can not contest a single class, then you are either having a terribad build (which i dont beleive) or point 1 again
    5. PvP is not dead. Im finding fights in less than 3 minutes. Low playerbase, ok, dead? no. Still fun as always
    6. Once again, having a bad PvP is miles better than not having it at all. For most of ppl like me, PvP are when we take a break from PvE. Not having it would simple make me turn the game off and play another game which would be bad for GW2.
  • Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

    @KeoLegend.5132 said:

    1. Tanks on PvP of many games are capable of dealing good damage, in fact in most of them, the tank is the BEST duelist. DPS classes are meant to be (usually) played withing a group while the Tank is good soloing (even tho he's more efficient in a group)

    Not sure how many mmos you have played but this point right here shows that is not many and you lack the experience which is fine and I cant blame you, dps have always in mmos been the best duelists and have always been able to melt tanks not because tanks are suppose to be useless like that but mmos were made with pve in mind and not competitive pvp. A tank has always been useful for just that to tank dmg in an instance, open world pve, or raid (with the support of others so not only him tanking which should give you a big hint). Also if you have played gw2 on release you would also know tanks were never that op in pvp, if you have played back then and thought they were op then you were plain bad at the game which again is fine and we cant all be the best of the best. To further support what I am talking about in many mmos the dps have been called "duelists" and they have always preformed as that, squishy but powerfull, for example look at dead eye it can melt anyone and anything, look at any thief build can do the same, look at mesmers they can do the same also any other dmg dealing class can melt any tank class or any other class. Also to go back to my point on tanks were never this op, back in 2015 a tank could deal some kind of dmg but it could never outpreform a squishy class, and by never I mean that I can play 20-30 games a day and I would prolly die 5-6 times to a tanky class. Further more pvp is not fun when you are competitive and you are dying to classes that now have been buffed to 1-2 shot people, I am getting the feeling you are most likely a PVE player so you are trying to speak on this but you just lack the knowledge and experience I could be wrong but you give off that experession of someone that is clueless on what is what. In my whole week of playing the game only in wvw I saw exactly and I know this cause I counted, I saw exactly 5 rangers in 1 week of playing all day every day, on the other hand I saw dozen of thiefs, revenants, warriors, guardians, the list goes on this is what we call in mmos pvp meta. People playing whats meta for pvp which is the very reason why the mmo genre atm is very dead and is barely surviving, no one likes meta, no one likes to play what they are forced to play just because the devs have forced it onto people. Before telling me what you have told me maybe take into consideration that I might be experienced in mmos and pvp is all I have been doing in every mmo at competitive level. Do not take this as an offence take this as a lesson. The reflexes of a person that pvps in every dont just poof out of existence. In conclusion I can tell you this grab yourself a ranger buy some exotics go as a soulbeast find a meta build from any website or youtuber and go roam a bit in wvw fo a week plus then have a think to yourself and hit me up here again to tell me your honest experience.

  • Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

    @Andy.5981 said:
    In answer to the question the OP posed, what happened is that players whined a lot about some classes (but not theirs no they weren't overperforming nope) in the mistaken belief they knew best for the game. Some "experts" were put in charge of some nerfs oops sorry balance patches which resulted in 'overperforming' builds shifting from some classes to others and then due to a number of reasons, so called "frequent" patches to sort the whole mess out failed to materialise.

    Welcome back to the game we all deserve.

    So they heard kids voices and decided to kitten on ranger and apparently now other classes are not op cause to others people like me and many others we are "whinning" correct ?

  • Andy.5981Andy.5981 Member ✭✭✭

    @Beezl.4180 said:

    @Andy.5981 said:
    In answer to the question the OP posed, what happened is that players whined a lot about some classes (but not theirs no they weren't overperforming nope) in the mistaken belief they knew best for the game. Some "experts" were put in charge of some nerfs oops sorry balance patches which resulted in 'overperforming' builds shifting from some classes to others and then due to a number of reasons, so called "frequent" patches to sort the whole mess out failed to materialise.

    Welcome back to the game we all deserve.

    So they heard kids voices and decided to kitten on ranger and apparently now other classes are not op cause to others people like me and many others we are "whinning" correct ?

    it wasn't just a ranger thing. Happened to quite a few builds. Unfortunately those builds kept others in check. Power builds got hit, condi builds didnt (as much) and due to them not following through on their balance cadence and 'tweaks' to outliers, we now have the joke that is wvw and pvp.

  • choovanski.5462choovanski.5462 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2020

    and here I am Duo queuing tank with my pal on soulbeast full dmg

    I could have sworn soulbeast was a type of ranger, but he's getting kills so it definitely can't be the same class OP is playing, and there is no way OP could be bad at ranger right?

    ////

    in all seriousness, you are just rusty. it's fine. unrust yourself, and learn new ranger builds and you will be fine.

    there have been nerfs, but ranger is absolutely not unable to do damage or sustain right now. all classes are effected by them, and to be honest the only wet noodle in the game right now is warrior.

    so you can practice, adapt, overcome and get kills- OR you can whine like a child and get farmed everytime you log in. your success is in your hands, you just need to want it enough to do something about it. it's up to you.

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  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2020

    Power creep.

    Poorly designed elite specs had their damage, sustain, and boons boosted through the roof to cover for the poor design. Then you had arms race balancing to follow.

  • Dave.6819Dave.6819 Member ✭✭✭

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Hi,

    Please do not take this to heart and try to understand where I am coming from. For context: I use to play this game back in the day of release and all I did back then was spvp and from time to time wvw and man was that a blast and not once did I get triggered or felt like I am playing somehting that is kitten in the "meta" hence there was no such thing as meta back then, if you know you know.

    I have recently returned to the game and boy oh boy am I so disappointed at what has happened to the pvp system, so the new class looks cool and the new specs was the main reason I thought HMMMM lets go back to my good old friend gw2 and then I do that and what a mystake that was. I come back to try out the new ranger elite specs just to find out that im getting eaten left and rigth by classes I could easily topple back in 2015 regardless melee or ranged. Now its full of broken classes that have infinite heals and infinite toughness and they can tank and at the same time burst and do all kinds of kitten that is just beyond me. How in the logic of all this have Anet thought HMMMM a tank class should be able to also burst targets down ?!?!!? Since when in mmos do tanks deal dmg ? I can not contest a single class and trust me I know how to play my class really I use to play with top 50 in spvp and some really good players in wvw that wouldnt take you if you werent anything but good. Regardless I am not here to boast and say "I AM THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR I AM THE BEAST OF ALL BEASTS" no absolutely not I can accept defeat here and there but to get 1 shot and 2 comboed left and right by classes that could never do that before is rediculous in my opinion. The game needs a massive fix and this is not the right way forward, you can not force people to play other classes just because its "meta" gw2 was never about meta sorry not sorry it was always about pvping and pveing with whatever class you pleased to play, thats what made me fall in love with gw2 that I can play what i like and no one can counter me cause I can counter them it was always equal. Imagine it was so good back then that even necros werent a contest.

    Long story short please do not hate on me but try to understand where I am coming from I do not mean to sound too mean or ignorant but if you were a player from the time I played and if you were a pvper I am 100% you can relate and understand what point I am trying to make, I am generally disappointed and money gone to the wind for the expansions cause the pvp is just plain dead, they might aswell remove it and make gw2 like FFXIV a pve game it would suit it better back then we used skill to pvp now people spam skills and think "im good at gw2" you aint mate.

    Yours truly,
    Beezl

    Can relate to you 100%. Similar story here. Played PvP/WvW small scale/roaming since launch almost. Took it seriously and very competitively. Also don't want to brag but our PvP and WvW skill would really be in ranks of Top players today. And our team saw it quite early how it's starting to go downhill. It was around mid days of HoT expansion but we still carried on. Made bunch of suggestions/feedback on balance what can be done to save it and not completely deteriorate PvP. So even back then in HoT days we saw nothin is being done no one cares and felt like our days are limited. Fastforward to like LW3 and pre-PoF days.. like 90% of our team quitted. We knew it's gonna happen but it was sad seeing all that process of PvP dying and still trying to be hopeful. Some people might think "omg but in HoT / pre-PoF days it was amazing pvp was healthy". Yea... nope. There were tons of issues but the main issue is just not being able to deal with new elite specs. Nerf that buff that. Then redo it. Then repeat the nerf/buff nonsence all over again. They just didnt know what to do. At this point i think it would've been even better if there were no elite specs or some vanilla version of this game. Anet weren't able to balance elite specs at all. And of course cherry on TOP was PoF elite specs. Anyway.. by that time most of us quitted the game and some of us carried on and switched to PvE. Never have i thought that i'll be "forced" to become a PvE player.. but there it is. Since PvE was never somethin i was interested in you can imagine how motivated i am to play this game. So i guess u r right. It's dead and beyond fixing. Might as well just remove PvP mode and advertise your game as a PvE only and strict-to-meta game. And WvW? Oh well.. u can leave that only for zergs. They just stack tons of FBs/Revs/Scourges these days and run around map "skillfully".

    In short - u either are interested in PvE and stay away from PvP. Or carry on and find other games. U can always come back here and check balance patches if something impactful was done. Mostly those balance patches just cheer me up and i log out for another half a year.

    Physical Supremacy: This trait now causes Steal to become Swipe, which reduces the range from 1,200 to 600

    So who's the Thief now?
    2019.04.23 -Anet

  • You seem to play WvW. So you should be aware that with exotic gear you have significantly less stats. idk the exact number(for dmg weapon is the most important like 10%more dmg with ascended). Furtrmore WvW allows food of any kinfd. Ascended food gives a lot of stats. The food with %dmg reduction is especially broken as it calculates in way too many stats, just like the boon protection.

    Having noticed that you dont do the same dmg anymore, you should read tje prob most important Patchnotes of tje lasr 5 years (mostly the ones from feb 25th 2020)
    Its not just ranger all dmg got nerfed.

    You might need to adjust your gameplan and you cant rely on your old habbits necessarily.

    Ir consider actually playing sPvP with is considerably more balanced.(stat equality, as well as cd readjustments)

  • Sifu.9745Sifu.9745 Member ✭✭✭

    Burst dmg in PvP is out of control. Some dps builds are able to burst you down within 3 seconds, while others can't even remove 30% of your health after 10 seconds. So either you are doing burst dmg or you are doing no dmg.

  • Sleepwalker.1398Sleepwalker.1398 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wait so someone either dodged or used an ability to block your pew pew burst....so ranger needs a buff cos of that?

  • Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

    @Dave.6819 said:

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Hi,

    Please do not take this to heart and try to understand where I am coming from. For context: I use to play this game back in the day of release and all I did back then was spvp and from time to time wvw and man was that a blast and not once did I get triggered or felt like I am playing somehting that is kitten in the "meta" hence there was no such thing as meta back then, if you know you know.

    I have recently returned to the game and boy oh boy am I so disappointed at what has happened to the pvp system, so the new class looks cool and the new specs was the main reason I thought HMMMM lets go back to my good old friend gw2 and then I do that and what a mystake that was. I come back to try out the new ranger elite specs just to find out that im getting eaten left and rigth by classes I could easily topple back in 2015 regardless melee or ranged. Now its full of broken classes that have infinite heals and infinite toughness and they can tank and at the same time burst and do all kinds of kitten that is just beyond me. How in the logic of all this have Anet thought HMMMM a tank class should be able to also burst targets down ?!?!!? Since when in mmos do tanks deal dmg ? I can not contest a single class and trust me I know how to play my class really I use to play with top 50 in spvp and some really good players in wvw that wouldnt take you if you werent anything but good. Regardless I am not here to boast and say "I AM THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR I AM THE BEAST OF ALL BEASTS" no absolutely not I can accept defeat here and there but to get 1 shot and 2 comboed left and right by classes that could never do that before is rediculous in my opinion. The game needs a massive fix and this is not the right way forward, you can not force people to play other classes just because its "meta" gw2 was never about meta sorry not sorry it was always about pvping and pveing with whatever class you pleased to play, thats what made me fall in love with gw2 that I can play what i like and no one can counter me cause I can counter them it was always equal. Imagine it was so good back then that even necros werent a contest.

    Long story short please do not hate on me but try to understand where I am coming from I do not mean to sound too mean or ignorant but if you were a player from the time I played and if you were a pvper I am 100% you can relate and understand what point I am trying to make, I am generally disappointed and money gone to the wind for the expansions cause the pvp is just plain dead, they might aswell remove it and make gw2 like FFXIV a pve game it would suit it better back then we used skill to pvp now people spam skills and think "im good at gw2" you aint mate.

    Yours truly,
    Beezl

    Can relate to you 100%. Similar story here. Played PvP/WvW small scale/roaming since launch almost. Took it seriously and very competitively. Also don't want to brag but our PvP and WvW skill would really be in ranks of Top players today. And our team saw it quite early how it's starting to go downhill. It was around mid days of HoT expansion but we still carried on. Made bunch of suggestions/feedback on balance what can be done to save it and not completely deteriorate PvP. So even back then in HoT days we saw nothin is being done no one cares and felt like our days are limited. Fastforward to like LW3 and pre-PoF days.. like 90% of our team quitted. We knew it's gonna happen but it was sad seeing all that process of PvP dying and still trying to be hopeful. Some people might think "omg but in HoT / pre-PoF days it was amazing pvp was healthy". Yea... nope. There were tons of issues but the main issue is just not being able to deal with new elite specs. Nerf that buff that. Then redo it. Then repeat the nerf/buff nonsence all over again. They just didnt know what to do. At this point i think it would've been even better if there were no elite specs or some vanilla version of this game. Anet weren't able to balance elite specs at all. And of course cherry on TOP was PoF elite specs. Anyway.. by that time most of us quitted the game and some of us carried on and switched to PvE. Never have i thought that i'll be "forced" to become a PvE player.. but there it is. Since PvE was never somethin i was interested in you can imagine how motivated i am to play this game. So i guess u r right. It's dead and beyond fixing. Might as well just remove PvP mode and advertise your game as a PvE only and strict-to-meta game. And WvW? Oh well.. u can leave that only for zergs. They just stack tons of FBs/Revs/Scourges these days and run around map "skillfully".

    In short - u either are interested in PvE and stay away from PvP. Or carry on and find other games. U can always come back here and check balance patches if something impactful was done. Mostly those balance patches just cheer me up and i log out for another half a year.

    At least one more person that has put themselves in my shoes and knows exactly what I speak of, many dont even know that back then you can burst anyone with any class. I barely saw a single ranger in wvw to me that said alot. I am trying hard to think of reasons to play even thought of re rolling to go to a meta class that might help me dominate in wvw so far nothing motivates me.

  • Beezl.4180Beezl.4180 Member ✭✭

    @Alabastrum.9361 said:
    You seem to play WvW. So you should be aware that with exotic gear you have significantly less stats. idk the exact number(for dmg weapon is the most important like 10%more dmg with ascended). Furtrmore WvW allows food of any kinfd. Ascended food gives a lot of stats. The food with %dmg reduction is especially broken as it calculates in way too many stats, just like the boon protection.

    Having noticed that you dont do the same dmg anymore, you should read tje prob most important Patchnotes of tje lasr 5 years (mostly the ones from feb 25th 2020)
    Its not just ranger all dmg got nerfed.

    You might need to adjust your gameplan and you cant rely on your old habbits necessarily.

    Ir consider actually playing sPvP with is considerably more balanced.(stat equality, as well as cd readjustments)

    I understand where you are coming from but in my 1 week of playing I met alot of people with exotics some with just ascended gear and most of them didnt even have food buffs and were destroying people fully buffed up with all kinds of kitten, buffs and gear are just not that major you might think 10% is big time but trust me it aint if you know how to outplay and opponent. The class balance is the issue you wouldnt see people playing mainly the same class if it werent broken thats how the "meta" is, even go type in google "gw2 wvw builds" and you get websites with meta builds and it states "META" and people mainly play that regardless if they like it or not, anything for the kills and feel good effect right ? Ascended gear and food buffs have existed for forever I can tell you there were times I use to run with no food buffs and I would destroy the competition so dont take this game as if its Black Desert Online where food buffs actually matter unless you are extrememely overgeared.

  • Here is the thing though. If we arent talking about the upper end if player skill, where geardiff and foodbuff actually start to matter. Then we arent talking about class balance yet.

    I used exotic gear till 2018 and when I finally upgraded to asceded. Oh boy did it matter. I cant even count how many times I hot away with less than 1k Hp (There is no use in prettending I had lived with exo)
    Also every time your opponent lives with under 5% Hp he could have been dead.

    Because there are dmg modifiers for example Bonus dmg bellow 50%,ä.
    A dmg inrease of 10% can be the difference of a 13k and a 8k combo.
    (example used lvl 3 Eviscerate to swap Arcing slice)

    And lets not pretend there was class blance back in 2015, shall we.
    Take your time to learn and beat whats new, if your an experienced pvp player this should be easy enough no matter the current imbalance of the game.
    You called yourself an ex top 50 after all.

    Like I said there were a alot of changes.
    (Example for ranger you could Gs5 resets Gs2 so you could cc to Gs2 (wait for stunbreak/roll) Gs5 to (mixup wait for roll) Gs2 again. For about 10k dmg(could be higher depending on vuln from core ranger, sicc em, might, merge from sb)
    LB 4 to LB2 with sicem and quickening zephire still eats ppl in 2020 as well.

    No hard feelings if you dont its not for everyone.
    If you are looking for 1v1s
    There are custom PvP server made by players for this purpose an these 1v1 arenas are by far the best place for fair fights. (On weekends or on Evenings ofc)
    (EU server)

    If you want free for all there is always the arena in heart of the mist. In WvW you would need to have great patience to find 1v1 at the usual.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrownyClown.8402 said:
    Wvw roaming is a joke compared to 4 years ago. Not fun with overloaded stats and food.

    Pvp is better than hot but worse than base release. Too much aoe and spam that degrades the interesting close combat/field mechanics.

    Stats themselves do little to the overall balance, something broken in PvP will most certainly be broken and more in WvW; if anything wvw stats allow for certain builds to actually become viable and change the status quo a little. When something is underpowered in PvP will keep being underpowered in WvW no matter if you use trailblazer or minstrel or diviner stats

  • @Arheundel.6451 said:
    Stats themselves do little to the overall balance, something broken in PvP will most certainly be broken and more in WvW; if anything wvw stats allow for certain builds to actually become viable and change the status quo a little.

    These certain builds are often times most problematic althoug not frequently found. Not everyone wants to go the extra mile for specific stat combinations. Especially stats combining healpower and dmg can get out of hand (from my experience) and lead to builds that have way too much sustain with acceptable dmg.
    (Because they are rather niche they only get hit by nerfs indirectly as well.)

    Also mind that PvP has various unique changes to cooldowns boonduration etc.
    Its not just the stats and the removal of RNG in the weapons dmg.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2020

    @Alabastrum.9361 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:
    Stats themselves do little to the overall balance, something broken in PvP will most certainly be broken and more in WvW; if anything wvw stats allow for certain builds to actually become viable and change the status quo a little.

    These certain builds are often times most problematic althoug not frequently found. Not everyone wants to go the extra mile for specific stat combinations. Especially stats combining healpower and dmg can get out of hand (from my experience) and lead to builds that have way too much sustain with acceptable dmg.
    (Because they are rather niche they only get hit by nerfs indirectly as well.)

    Also mind that PvP has various unique changes to cooldowns boonduration etc.
    Its not just the stats and the removal of RNG in the weapons dmg.

    You forget that the Feb patch completely destroyed healing coefficients/base number on many classes that normally rely on them ...while the dmg has mostly stayed the same (roughly).

    These days a mere 500 healing has the same value as 0 healing and 1000+ healing barely reach the same value of pre-Feb gameplay but by investing in 1000+ healing you reduce that meager offensive power even more now.

    If you're talking about roaming then...make no mistakes the most successful and hard to kill specs have 0 healing power and rely on easier to get boon for sustain, those professions that can be played this way are already strong in PvP so no change here as I have said.

    The super roaming specs are the same : revenant - thief -engineer and necro ( less likely to be on its own ) while the rest rely "more" on personal skill level and will see less representation

    Yes we can have : settler and trailblazer stats but...without the actual dmg output ( which is universal for each class ) those stats will do little for you in the end of the day, you get to live longer no doubt but..to what end? As far as I can see what is meta/viable in PvP continues to be so in WvW...what's trash in PvP...it's still trash in WvW, you just get to live longer..but so will other specs that were already strong to start with

    Ex. after the Feb patch nerf, Fire weaver became trash....even if you use trailblazer/settler stats in WvW..you're still trash in the end when facing anything but a potato player, all because they more than halved the burning output , removed stability from stance and tripled CD on stunbreaks...so a dead spec forced at melee range with lackluster gap closers

    Condi rev is a major pain/OP in PvP and meta...in wvw we have trailblazer Condi rev which is OP/Broken and meta....see?

  • You know what I belive what you said about healpower.

    But your statement that in WvW every balance is at a similar or worse state than PvP clearly points out that PvP is a more balanced mode than WvW.
    Which is exactly what FrownyClown and myself have been saying.

    Noone would argue that any of the modes is balanced. But PvP is just less unbalanced compared to WvW if you will (especially when focusing on 1v1 or very smallsale).

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Alabastrum.9361 said:
    You know what I belive what you said about healpower.

    But your statement that in WvW every balance is at a similar or worse state than PvP clearly points out that PvP is a more balanced mode than WvW.
    Which is exactly what FrownyClown and myself have been saying.

    Noone would argue that any of the modes is balanced. But PvP is just less unbalanced compared to WvW if you will (especially when focusing on 1v1 or very smallsale).

    What @FrownyClown.8402 said is correct in part, stats do influence balance in WvW but what I have tried to say is that what is UP in PvP won't become OP in WvW and viceversa , regardless of that stats applied the status quo doesn't change much in my opinion at least

  • I will try to summarize,

    A)
    What happened is with each new add-on they added new elite specs which is in itself not a problem what the problem is each of them tried to a be a reason to buy the new add-on = power creep not necessaries damage but just everything.
    What also happened with it they made the gamer faster which result in the told skill spamming.
    The way they did is by nerfing cast classes and weapons(e.g tempest, ele staff) and pushed hack&slay builds(e.g Mirage build condi spam, DH) with a underlying game which was never intended for this.

    There are also some design flaws since the beginning which causes increasing problems.

    B)
    1.) Absolute Defense : So far I know every core class has one of them somewhere a skill which made you invulnerable for a short period of time not to mix up with skills like Arcane Shield or Aegis which blocks only a limited amount of attacks.

    The counter for this where that each class has 1 not blockable skill but they removed a lot of them because those skill go also through Arcane Shield or Aegis which would make them useless. Basically this what people see when they shouting bunker builds.

    Other games have solved it by giving Absolute Defense skills a stamina bar and not all classes have access to them(only tank classes).

    2.)Absolute Stealth: From my knowledge no other game has such a thing you always get informed when a player is near you in one form or another is other games.
    The way GW 2 intended to counter them was traps which got nerved to the ground

    C) The there is the condi fiasco each good build is hated also they went forth and back multiply time with this the reason why they are hated is:
    1.) if enough players choose to play condi their isn't enough condi clean around and also it feels exactly like power dmg.
    2.) With condi build there are also comes increases soft cc especially on soft classes which relay on dodges& run this is deadly top offender here is chill in my eyes

    D)They made in februar a big patch of PvP and Wvw but no follow up there where also a lot of misconception in this patch and the short follow ups they removed def amulet because they thought this are the reasons for bunker builds in the end they forced they minor rest of them to go to the absolute defense skills.

    There where also misconception on that decreasing the dps on builds would lead to slower game play.... No how I shown this isn't the problem it is how you can spam skill because no cast time . What the players did then was switch to beserker builds which result in faster dead now on both sides (outside of Absolute Defense)

    E) Because of all the changes their is too much cc in general

    F) They also nerfed heal and boons so much in the ground with februar that tempest is the only viable build on metabatle ( yes you can still play other / old builds but they have less and are only effective in complete pre groups). Tempest will propely nerfed in the next patch without buffs on the other side = faster game play again.

  • Sleepwalker.1398Sleepwalker.1398 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Beezl.4180 said:

    @Sleepwalker.1398 said:
    Wait so someone either dodged or used an ability to block your pew pew burst....so ranger needs a buff cos of that?

    This has to be the most kitten thing I have ever read on this forum so far you beat one of the dudes above, I clearly stated that people are soaking in dmg and regardless if they are a tank or a dmg dealer and you go to say that ? No wonder certain mmo communities get mocked and trolled, I am not sure what kind of trolling you attempted to acheive here but time to get them books back and re read on how its done big boi 3000. Read habibti good advice in life so you dont look stubid

    Here's an advise, take another few months/years off and then come back and you might actually get "god of pvp" title on first try. (no need to re-learn class or anything)
    Besides, wvW has many ranger builds viable for roaming.
    Most just sit on walls and pew pew all day but when you find them in an open field, you can see how bad they are.
    Sadly it sound like you are one of those that fall in this category.

  • Dahkeus.8243Dahkeus.8243 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sorry bud, but you're just on the rough end of a steep learning curve by returning to the game for so long. If you play for longer, you'll get a better understanding of how things have shifted and realize that there are no invincible targets or impossible to stop damage. There's counter play out there and not all classes/builds will have the counterplay available to gain the upper hand in all situations.

  • Swagg.9236Swagg.9236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    GW2 PvP never had a true foundation upon which to build any sort of team-based gameplay. It was always survival of the generic, one-man-army. Specializations just exacerbated the issue.

  • Dave.6819Dave.6819 Member ✭✭✭

    @Beezl.4180 said:

    @Dave.6819 said:

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Hi,

    Please do not take this to heart and try to understand where I am coming from. For context: I use to play this game back in the day of release and all I did back then was spvp and from time to time wvw and man was that a blast and not once did I get triggered or felt like I am playing somehting that is kitten in the "meta" hence there was no such thing as meta back then, if you know you know.

    I have recently returned to the game and boy oh boy am I so disappointed at what has happened to the pvp system, so the new class looks cool and the new specs was the main reason I thought HMMMM lets go back to my good old friend gw2 and then I do that and what a mystake that was. I come back to try out the new ranger elite specs just to find out that im getting eaten left and rigth by classes I could easily topple back in 2015 regardless melee or ranged. Now its full of broken classes that have infinite heals and infinite toughness and they can tank and at the same time burst and do all kinds of kitten that is just beyond me. How in the logic of all this have Anet thought HMMMM a tank class should be able to also burst targets down ?!?!!? Since when in mmos do tanks deal dmg ? I can not contest a single class and trust me I know how to play my class really I use to play with top 50 in spvp and some really good players in wvw that wouldnt take you if you werent anything but good. Regardless I am not here to boast and say "I AM THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR I AM THE BEAST OF ALL BEASTS" no absolutely not I can accept defeat here and there but to get 1 shot and 2 comboed left and right by classes that could never do that before is rediculous in my opinion. The game needs a massive fix and this is not the right way forward, you can not force people to play other classes just because its "meta" gw2 was never about meta sorry not sorry it was always about pvping and pveing with whatever class you pleased to play, thats what made me fall in love with gw2 that I can play what i like and no one can counter me cause I can counter them it was always equal. Imagine it was so good back then that even necros werent a contest.

    Long story short please do not hate on me but try to understand where I am coming from I do not mean to sound too mean or ignorant but if you were a player from the time I played and if you were a pvper I am 100% you can relate and understand what point I am trying to make, I am generally disappointed and money gone to the wind for the expansions cause the pvp is just plain dead, they might aswell remove it and make gw2 like FFXIV a pve game it would suit it better back then we used skill to pvp now people spam skills and think "im good at gw2" you aint mate.

    Yours truly,
    Beezl

    Can relate to you 100%. Similar story here. Played PvP/WvW small scale/roaming since launch almost. Took it seriously and very competitively. Also don't want to brag but our PvP and WvW skill would really be in ranks of Top players today. And our team saw it quite early how it's starting to go downhill. It was around mid days of HoT expansion but we still carried on. Made bunch of suggestions/feedback on balance what can be done to save it and not completely deteriorate PvP. So even back then in HoT days we saw nothin is being done no one cares and felt like our days are limited. Fastforward to like LW3 and pre-PoF days.. like 90% of our team quitted. We knew it's gonna happen but it was sad seeing all that process of PvP dying and still trying to be hopeful. Some people might think "omg but in HoT / pre-PoF days it was amazing pvp was healthy". Yea... nope. There were tons of issues but the main issue is just not being able to deal with new elite specs. Nerf that buff that. Then redo it. Then repeat the nerf/buff nonsence all over again. They just didnt know what to do. At this point i think it would've been even better if there were no elite specs or some vanilla version of this game. Anet weren't able to balance elite specs at all. And of course cherry on TOP was PoF elite specs. Anyway.. by that time most of us quitted the game and some of us carried on and switched to PvE. Never have i thought that i'll be "forced" to become a PvE player.. but there it is. Since PvE was never somethin i was interested in you can imagine how motivated i am to play this game. So i guess u r right. It's dead and beyond fixing. Might as well just remove PvP mode and advertise your game as a PvE only and strict-to-meta game. And WvW? Oh well.. u can leave that only for zergs. They just stack tons of FBs/Revs/Scourges these days and run around map "skillfully".

    In short - u either are interested in PvE and stay away from PvP. Or carry on and find other games. U can always come back here and check balance patches if something impactful was done. Mostly those balance patches just cheer me up and i log out for another half a year.

    At least one more person that has put themselves in my shoes and knows exactly what I speak of, many dont even know that back then you can burst anyone with any class. I barely saw a single ranger in wvw to me that said alot. I am trying hard to think of reasons to play even thought of re rolling to go to a meta class that might help me dominate in wvw so far nothing motivates me.

    This community really has alot of ... how to put it without being offensive.. people that ignore the problems and no matter what are on anets side. So it might look to you like you're fighting 1v100 in forums and it's you who is at fault. Don't be mistaken. You're not. Those are just people who ignore problems for whatever reason or haven't played long enough to see the reality.. but players who really understand alot about PvP/WvW and played long enough don't try to sugarcoat how things really are. And they don't even visit forums too much anyway. So yes.. there are plenty of us who aren't afraid to speak the harsh truth (or atleast there wasnt some years back). These days tho.. just forget it. Most of such players quitted or are just doing dailies and logging out. If you really want to play considering the state the game is in.. just be a FoM player (Flavor of the month). Roll whatever class that is OP and exploit the unbalanced system(i suggest FB or Holo). It happens in every MMO that's broken. People exploit the game and it's system. Basically a trolling mode. Or pick a class that you love and be a PvE player. Cuz in PvE almost anything works. Wait. Now that i think about it.. even in PvE we're slowly starting to see inbalance creep in. If you're interested in Raids let's say then also be careful and pick a class that's OP (fb / druid / chrono i suppose).

    Anyways.. i clearly remember how they advertised their game. "Pick any class. Play any style you want. Build variety yada yada..". It was surely true back then. Nowadays.. forget about it. Pick OP class -> exploit it to your benefit if you're still inclined to play.

    Physical Supremacy: This trait now causes Steal to become Swipe, which reduces the range from 1,200 to 600

    So who's the Thief now?
    2019.04.23 -Anet

  • Dave.6819Dave.6819 Member ✭✭✭

    @Swagg.9236 said:
    GW2 PvP never had a true foundation upon which to build any sort of team-based gameplay. It was always survival of the generic, one-man-army. Specializations just exacerbated the issue.

    Hilarious.

    Physical Supremacy: This trait now causes Steal to become Swipe, which reduces the range from 1,200 to 600

    So who's the Thief now?
    2019.04.23 -Anet

  • Ragnar.4257Ragnar.4257 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 9, 2020

    @Beezl.4180 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Only way to resolve this is to actually buff up rangers otherwise it is plain boring and tedious to roam with a ranger, your pet is not so effective, every other class with the new specs has 300 engages and can always get to your kitten. If there is to be a fix the burst of ranger has to be buffed so that no one can get to you when you are starting the burst. Plus using smokescale in beastmode is useless everyone knows what you are about to do after you charge at them, compared to other classes its not so predictable.

    Yeah....the class has been nerfed several times since you left, druid especially has seen nothing but nerfs for 1.5 years straight, they touched everything including staff and heal coefficients; Soulbeast can now only work with one pet at time so..you need to work accordingly and Core ranger not surprisingly still stands to this day.

    About the pets....all "but the never used since launch" Moas and Devourers have been nerfed several times , some like smokescale do a fraction of the original dmg, while the most offensive glassy pets barely break the 1.4k dmg barrier on a tanky enemy; now mind you there is still Jacaranda and Gazelle that can deal good dmg still and I expect it to be "rectified" in the not far future.....just because some "trashbot" manages to get killed by a Jacaranda lightnings ...yeah..I know.

    If you were thinking of playing again some sort of "beastmaster"..yeah sorry it's gone but overall the class is still fun and enjoyable to play, the weapon skills are solid, they do what they're supposed to do; the core trait lines are pretty "stable" with..."decent" traits and the utilities are not top notch but not bad either.

    With a few hundred hours practice you should be able to enjoy the class again, all three elite choices ( core-druid-soulbeast) work in my opinion from PvE to WvW and with that said.....shall I be honest with you?

    You coming back is not worth your time, things will get worst before getting better ( assuming they'll ever will); yeah GW2 still occupies the Top spots when it comes to art and game engine ...everything else though....you'll find better elsewhere

    You are right, I have experienced the lack of dmg on ranger and I am beyond disappointed that a "sniper" type class literally does no dmg, in my opinion rangers should be able to melt the same way dead eyes do and the way other classes do. I could literally meld with my pet do sicem on a target with zephyr quickness and strenght of the pack and do kitten dmg and the enemy hasnt even used any defensive skills cause they dont see me coming at them and i barely do half of their hp in dmg ... Now that is pathetic in my opinion. I actually dont see the point in them nerfing this class and making otherclasses superior literally, people in wvw just get to feel good about themselves when they play vs a ranger only cause it lacks dmg, if the dmg was how it use to be they wouldnt dare to duel rangers. Back then i can literally auto attack a person to death or fear them away cause it would do that much damage but its only logical at the end of the day you are a ranged class not a melee so you should be able to snipe off people just the same way that a melee should be able to eat you up if they are close in your face. But here is where the issue comes now every new spec and class has some sort of projectile deflection or block ... How is that even fair in any way ? I am not too sure what Anet were thinking with this but the ranger class has become one big 0, yes you are right about one thing its a fun class and it can be enjoyed but probably in pve but not in pvp. Its not fun outplaying people and then dishing out 0 dmg just for them to get back up and kill you in 1 combo, if thats how anet wants to deal with their balance then no point in even playing the game. Even with my abscence of 5 years and going against players who have played for prolly forever and outplaying them like its nothing should speak alot about the skill back then and the skill cap now. I met so many opponents and some good but most just skill spam fests that I was literally just kiting around and giving them a hard time but thats all I did cuase every time I unleashed a combo they survived it like its nothing so it felt pointless to pvp in the first place. Also the pet dmg dear lord the pets do 0 dmg ... literally no dmg at all its all changed for the worse and I am truly disappointed that I bought the expansions thinking that maybe the game has gone in an even better direction, but Im starting to feel like my fav class just wont be buffed in any way. I barely even see soulbeasts or any other rangers roaming solo literally so that by itself speaks alot. Thank you for your explanation and thank you for putting yourself in my shoes.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/116269/soulbeast-highlights-of-me-stealing-kills-in-plat-2#latest

    It's almost like missing out on 5+ years of updates and practice, and not know what anything does any more, will make everyone else seem overpowered?

  • Nightcore.5621Nightcore.5621 Member ✭✭✭

    Nothing. Nothing has happen and that is the problem

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Swagg.9236 said:
    GW2 PvP never had a true foundation upon which to build any sort of team-based gameplay. It was always survival of the generic, one-man-army. Specializations just exacerbated the issue.

    +10

    Truth

    'Situations that are present are there because you allow and tolerate them to continue'

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2020

    @Beezl.4180 said:

    @Dave.6819 said:

    @Beezl.4180 said:
    Hi,

    Please do not take this to heart and try to understand where I am coming from. For context: I use to play this game back in the day of release and all I did back then was spvp and from time to time wvw and man was that a blast and not once did I get triggered or felt like I am playing somehting that is kitten in the "meta" hence there was no such thing as meta back then, if you know you know.

    I have recently returned to the game and boy oh boy am I so disappointed at what has happened to the pvp system, so the new class looks cool and the new specs was the main reason I thought HMMMM lets go back to my good old friend gw2 and then I do that and what a mystake that was. I come back to try out the new ranger elite specs just to find out that im getting eaten left and rigth by classes I could easily topple back in 2015 regardless melee or ranged. Now its full of broken classes that have infinite heals and infinite toughness and they can tank and at the same time burst and do all kinds of kitten that is just beyond me. How in the logic of all this have Anet thought HMMMM a tank class should be able to also burst targets down ?!?!!? Since when in mmos do tanks deal dmg ? I can not contest a single class and trust me I know how to play my class really I use to play with top 50 in spvp and some really good players in wvw that wouldnt take you if you werent anything but good. Regardless I am not here to boast and say "I AM THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR I AM THE BEAST OF ALL BEASTS" no absolutely not I can accept defeat here and there but to get 1 shot and 2 comboed left and right by classes that could never do that before is rediculous in my opinion. The game needs a massive fix and this is not the right way forward, you can not force people to play other classes just because its "meta" gw2 was never about meta sorry not sorry it was always about pvping and pveing with whatever class you pleased to play, thats what made me fall in love with gw2 that I can play what i like and no one can counter me cause I can counter them it was always equal. Imagine it was so good back then that even necros werent a contest.

    Long story short please do not hate on me but try to understand where I am coming from I do not mean to sound too mean or ignorant but if you were a player from the time I played and if you were a pvper I am 100% you can relate and understand what point I am trying to make, I am generally disappointed and money gone to the wind for the expansions cause the pvp is just plain dead, they might aswell remove it and make gw2 like FFXIV a pve game it would suit it better back then we used skill to pvp now people spam skills and think "im good at gw2" you aint mate.

    Yours truly,
    Beezl

    Can relate to you 100%. Similar story here. Played PvP/WvW small scale/roaming since launch almost. Took it seriously and very competitively. Also don't want to brag but our PvP and WvW skill would really be in ranks of Top players today. And our team saw it quite early how it's starting to go downhill. It was around mid days of HoT expansion but we still carried on. Made bunch of suggestions/feedback on balance what can be done to save it and not completely deteriorate PvP. So even back then in HoT days we saw nothin is being done no one cares and felt like our days are limited. Fastforward to like LW3 and pre-PoF days.. like 90% of our team quitted. We knew it's gonna happen but it was sad seeing all that process of PvP dying and still trying to be hopeful. Some people might think "omg but in HoT / pre-PoF days it was amazing pvp was healthy". Yea... nope. There were tons of issues but the main issue is just not being able to deal with new elite specs. Nerf that buff that. Then redo it. Then repeat the nerf/buff nonsence all over again. They just didnt know what to do. At this point i think it would've been even better if there were no elite specs or some vanilla version of this game. Anet weren't able to balance elite specs at all. And of course cherry on TOP was PoF elite specs. Anyway.. by that time most of us quitted the game and some of us carried on and switched to PvE. Never have i thought that i'll be "forced" to become a PvE player.. but there it is. Since PvE was never somethin i was interested in you can imagine how motivated i am to play this game. So i guess u r right. It's dead and beyond fixing. Might as well just remove PvP mode and advertise your game as a PvE only and strict-to-meta game. And WvW? Oh well.. u can leave that only for zergs. They just stack tons of FBs/Revs/Scourges these days and run around map "skillfully".

    In short - u either are interested in PvE and stay away from PvP. Or carry on and find other games. U can always come back here and check balance patches if something impactful was done. Mostly those balance patches just cheer me up and i log out for another half a year.

    At least one more person that has put themselves in my shoes and knows exactly what I speak of, many dont even know that back then you can burst anyone with any class. I barely saw a single ranger in wvw to me that said alot. I am trying hard to think of reasons to play even thought of re rolling to go to a meta class that might help me dominate in wvw so far nothing motivates me.

    Man to be honest aside from a few outliers all classes have been gutted over time and just feel bad to play, rangers just one of them. Go play a warrior on a power melee build and see how much of a melee power house THEE melee spec of the game makes u feel, hell the most viable build on warrior is a support heal build kitten lmao. Mirage has to rely on one shot outa stealth, reset and repeat cuz it has nothing left. Try playing the rogue burst class like any other rogue burst class and watch the tanks in this game out burst u, but ull always be bis for decap and +1'ing cuz one skill on one weapon (sb5) and that's ok to the community cuz most dislike thief. Fb was great at everything but instead of just toning its dps down and leaving it decent support in just got nerfed to be mediocre at everthing(pvp speaking). Druid same as fb but happened way sooner. I could go on but point is there's having mediocre balance but the devs are still frequently trying and then there's gw2 where theres atrocious balancing that not only is way to infrequent but also when its done it's done in the most minimalistic ways as well as being consistently way off the mark. The biggest joke is the balance team can only change numbers and any mechanic or design changes can only be done be a team of which has proven over the last few yrs refuses to work on or make any adjustments unless their regarding lws or expacs, games dumpstering itself pretty fast. Hopefully shadowlands is decent.
    PS ghosts legends and new game+ releases today :).