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  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    It is a little disappointing there is no new map because that’s what we’re used to, but that doesn’t mean we won’t get a new map in chapter 2, 3, or 4. All 4 chapters are part of the same episode, Champions, so it could be these invasion missions are the first parts of what’s to come, and we have to figure out where we are heading for the final battle.

    The teaser in the second half of the trailer shows bits and pieces of living story maps as "future" content. So, I'm assuming 1 and 2 are spoken for at the very least.

    We COULD theoretically get 3 and 4 with their own map providing a bit better conclusion to the saga, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm pretty sure they moved all the artists over to the expansion, as well as the balance team, and pretty much everyone they could. Even the destroyer models in this trailer are old and they're not even using the vine-touched/death-touched destroyers or whatever that we saw in Living Season 3. Now we've had yet another elder dragon die and they could have had the chance to update the models to reflect Primordus' augmented power from Kralk's death. But instead, we get vanilla destroyer models.

    It's most likely going to be 6 months+ of current event style invasion events with the big shiny being new grindable skins thrown in here and there.
    I'm assuming the part with Taimi is a story instance but I really wouldn't be surprised to see those mostly cut as well.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    My big thing is that WvW is the content that keeps people that do it playing between each living world release. Although they have soured that to the point that its no longer fun. Plus as far as expansions go with rev specifically the Renegade legend Kalla has been out so long now but no effort has been made to try to make that content playable outside of pve. To be honest with everything that has been going on especially with communications blackout and not knowing any kind of status of where things currently stand putting that altogether I don't see why I would feel inclined to buy an expansion if a large part of what you are paying and playing for isn't going to be delivered I'll have to pass on all of this. Then the rest of things I found fun to play were intentionally over tuned just to end up being made useless so a couple of little trailers we've seen aren't going to cut it.

  • Seems interesting, I'm looking forward to it. I'm not enjoying the Drizzlewood and it's meta-or-nothing style, so I'm hoping things will be different in future.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    not new map ? - good idea
    do some instance on Tyria map ? good idea. Also good that Tyrian players without exp will see some people who go so deeper xD
    collection? ok
    so it look nice.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • @Vavume.8065 said:
    6) Still no mention of new legendary weapons.

    Well to be fair gen2 set is finish (yea underwater will not be done except if they change their mind)
    I'm way more up for new legendary trinkets for having a set in each gamemode pve (raids or fractals cm since we already have openworld one)/pvp/wvw

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    1) Re used weapon skin
    2) Re used maps (Fields of ruin with terrible textures)

    Agreed. But the latter doesn't have to be a bad thing. I like those places shown in the trailer. :)

    3) Tengu head feathers look a bit customized (if they become a playable race I will uninstall)

    ???

    The Tengu are one of the coolest races on Tyria...

    4) Dwarves as allies ( if they become a playable race I will the buy the expansion)

    We saw only Ogden in the trailer, no other dwarves.

    6) Still no mention of new legendary weapons.

    Didn't they say a long time ago that there won't be any more legendary weapon sets?

    7) The worlds invaded, Feels like a reskin of season 1. (They couldnt bring back S1, so reskinned it to S5) feels like dejavu...

    Well, yeah, that might not be something new per se. But it's always the execution that decides over the quality of a story arc. So no premature judgment from me at this point, although I hope that fighting destroyers and other minions of Primordus won't be the "highlight" of this season.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    4) Dwarves as allies ( if they become a playable race I will the buy the expansion)

    We saw only Ogden in the trailer, no other dwarves.
    l

    Pause right after Ogden is shown after the trailer you’ll see two separate, different looking stone dwarves.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    Pause right after Ogden is shown after the trailer you’ll see two separate, different looking stone dwarves.

    Interesting. Thanks.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    Also, for a second I read "New dragons response minions" and was happy and thought about being able to make a squad of allies and make them follow you like in jahai. And so imagining fighting with the beam golem but then I reread I saw "missions" and was disapointed and sad.

    Another hand: I spotted strange destroyers with necrotic auras. Is it possible they got zhaithan magic boost?
    And yeah after reading everything above, disapointed to not see an underground map, when we speak about destroyers...

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Still no mention of new legendary weapons.

    mention new leg wep? It can be permited only that person have ALL previous. Don't think that we have a lot who can say "I need more"

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    Still no mention of new legendary weapons.

    mention new leg wep? It can be permited only that person have ALL previous. Don't think that we have a lot who can say "I need more"

    We have a lot of black lion weapons, that does not mean people do not want more or that they should stop producing them, same goes for legendary weapons.

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    The Tengu are one of the coolest races on Tyria...

    Your definition of cool is FAR different to mine...

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am rather excited for this new take in Living World. Don't forget we were already told before beginning of IBS that the start half and back half of IBS would feel rather different from each other.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    @hugo.4705 said:
    I spotted strange destroyers with necrotic auras. Is it possible they got zhaithan magic boost?

    There have already been death-magic Destroyers in Ember Bay, together with plant-magic Destroyers.
    Maybe there were some in Draconis Mons as well.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Reverielle.3972 said:
    Seems interesting, I'm looking forward to it. I'm not enjoying the Drizzlewood and it's meta-or-nothing style, so I'm hoping things will be different in future.

    The meta or nothing style doesn't bother me much. It's just soooo long. Adding a meta to extend the first meta was a mistake imo. I hope they don't ever do a meta that long again.

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  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2020


    Considering the fact you have vine-death touched destroyers in ember bay and draconic mons, I've established that map of draconic magics release. Each radius is perimeter is established from the dead corpse of the corresponding dragon in the center.

    It explains several things:
    -Primordy was in mordremoth magic release and zhaithan release magic, and you see on my map that draconic mons is in both circle and so is the case for ember bay.
    -It explains why I spotted death/vine destroyers in caledon forrest and rata sum: Both received also mordry and zhaity magic release after their deaths, and those magics burst surely passed through the underground as a massive magical shockwave corrupting the destroyers.
    -But, when exposed to two draconic energies in same time, the organism pick randomly one or another: That's why you have vine-touched destroyer crabs but also death-touched destroyer harpies. But you can't have as example, a vine-death touched destroyer troll.
    -Technically Jormag got 0 boosts from any dragon death. And the fact is travel through mist is non-sense, due to the magical release radius. And i prefer to believe that jormag instore a giant heavy snow and fog storm when appearing making in impossible to spot it. To explain, i prefer to think that jormag always had the mist ability, since the personnal story, savanirs are roaming in the mists and summoning portals.
    -Sbubbles and primordius (if moving to the east) would have been exposed to kralkatorrik power too, giving the possibility to create electrical storm in addition of manipulating the water or fire. But also creating mist portals.
    -BUT again, it is stated in the trailer, that the three first areas with destroyers erruptions are metrica province, brisban wildlands and gendarran fields.
    AND so, if primordius was moving toward the north since LS3 draconic mons, it has avoided kralkatorrik magic and so can't make mist portals.

    It's interesting to note that the circle of zhaithan and mordremoth cover their domains but also their magic release after death.
    Kralky is a special turbulent snowflake, it was originally in the north-east harassing the charrs and sentinels. If, like others, it would have been killed here, Jormag would had undergone magic boost from it. Just, the circles may be a little bigger, considering there is death-destroyer in brisban sylvaris encampments at the east.

    Also at 0:25 of the trailer I perfectly spotted the two councillors near Taimi, it's Zudo and Yahk. Dean of College of dynamics and Inquest. I feel it is appropriate, Zudo, part of a college based on pushing asura magitechnology to its best and learning from experimenting, and inquest having incredible fundings, experiments result for only studying dragon minions and their functions during 8 years now and a base everywhere. (Without adding the fact, they are the only ones who created two hybrids using draconic energies, subject Alpha and Beta).

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2020

    @hugo.4705 said:

    Considering the fact you have vine-death touched destroyers in ember bay and draconic mons, I've established that map of draconic magics release. Each radius is perimeter is established from the dead corpse of the corresponding dragon in the center.

    It explains several things:
    -Primordy was in mordremoth magic release and zhaithan release magic, and you see on my map that draconic mons is in both circle and so is the case for ember bay.
    -It explains why I spotted death/vine destroyers in caledon forrest and rata sum: Both received also mordry and zhaity magic release after their deaths, and those magics burst surely passed through the underground as a massive magical shockwave corrupting the destroyers.
    -But, when exposed to two draconic energies in same time, the organism pick randomly one or another: That's why you have vine-touched destroyer crabs but also death-touched destroyer harpies. But you can't have as example, a vine-death touched destroyer troll.
    -Technically Jormag got 0 boosts from any dragon death. And the fact is travel through mist is non-sense, due to the magical release radius. And i prefer to believe that jormag instore a giant heavy snow and fog storm when appearing making in impossible to spot it. To explain, i prefer to think that jormag always had the mist ability, since the personnal story, savanirs are roaming in the mists and summoning portals.
    -Sbubbles and primordius (if moving to the east) would have been exposed to kralkatorrik power too, giving the possibility to create electrical storm in addition of manipulating the water or fire. But also creating mist portals.
    -BUT again, it is stated in the trailer, that the three first areas with destroyers erruptions are metrica province, brisban wildlands and gendarran fields.
    AND so, if primordius was moving toward the north since LS3 draconic mons, it has avoided kralkatorrik magic and so can't make mist portals.

    It's interesting to note that the circle of zhaithan and mordremoth cover their domains but also their magic release after death.
    Kralky is a special turbulent snowflake, it was originally in the north-east harassing the charrs and sentinels. If, like others, it would have been killed here, Jormag would had undergone magic boost from it. Just, the circles may be a little bigger, considering there is death-destroyer in brisban sylvaris encampments at the east.

    Also at 0:25 of the trailer I perfectly spotted the two councillors near Taimi, it's Zudo and Yahk. Dean of College of dynamics and Inquest. I feel it is appropriate, Zudo, part of a college based on pushing asura magitechnology to its best and learning from experimenting, and inquest having incredible fundings, experiments result for only studying dragon minions and their functions during 8 years now and a base everywhere. (Without adding the fact, they are the only ones who created two hybrids using draconic energies, subject Alpha and Beta).

    You do have to remember that Primordus moved to that area long after Zhaitans death and a while after Mordy died. He was much further north - close to where we saw him in GW1 in fact (under Frostgorge) as we saw from the current events release where we tracked his passage SW through Tyria until he reached the Fire Island in the middle of Season 3. Basically Primordus wasn't anywhere near those two specific circles when they died.

    Jormag was confirmed to receive magic from Mordy (and thus Zhaitan) in LS3E3 via leylines and the devs confirmed later in a sep article that Jormag had taken up some of Kralks magic too.

    Most of Zhaitans magic was absorbed by Mordremoth and Tequatl (as explained in LS1) and eventually it made its way to Primordus and Jormag further North - esp after Mordys death

    He was however close by Kralk since he fell dromant under Draconis Mons and hasn't stirred since (until now)

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Blude.6812Blude.6812 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hopefully not the same type of game play like the last 2 maps

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hugo.4705 said:

    Considering the fact you have vine-death touched destroyers in ember bay and draconic mons, I've established that map of draconic magics release. Each radius is perimeter is established from the dead corpse of the corresponding dragon in the center.

    It explains several things:
    -Primordy was in mordremoth magic release and zhaithan release magic, and you see on my map that draconic mons is in both circle and so is the case for ember bay.
    -It explains why I spotted death/vine destroyers in caledon forrest and rata sum: Both received also mordry and zhaity magic release after their deaths, and those magics burst surely passed through the underground as a massive magical shockwave corrupting the destroyers.
    -But, when exposed to two draconic energies in same time, the organism pick randomly one or another: That's why you have vine-touched destroyer crabs but also death-touched destroyer harpies. But you can't have as example, a vine-death touched destroyer troll.
    -Technically Jormag got 0 boosts from any dragon death. And the fact is travel through mist is non-sense, due to the magical release radius. And i prefer to believe that jormag instore a giant heavy snow and fog storm when appearing making in impossible to spot it. To explain, i prefer to think that jormag always had the mist ability, since the personnal story, savanirs are roaming in the mists and summoning portals.
    -Sbubbles and primordius (if moving to the east) would have been exposed to kralkatorrik power too, giving the possibility to create electrical storm in addition of manipulating the water or fire. But also creating mist portals.
    -BUT again, it is stated in the trailer, that the three first areas with destroyers erruptions are metrica province, brisban wildlands and gendarran fields.
    AND so, if primordius was moving toward the north since LS3 draconic mons, it has avoided kralkatorrik magic and so can't make mist portals.

    It's interesting to note that the circle of zhaithan and mordremoth cover their domains but also their magic release after death.
    Kralky is a special turbulent snowflake, it was originally in the north-east harassing the charrs and sentinels. If, like others, it would have been killed here, Jormag would had undergone magic boost from it. Just, the circles may be a little bigger, considering there is death-destroyer in brisban sylvaris encampments at the east.

    Also at 0:25 of the trailer I perfectly spotted the two councillors near Taimi, it's Zudo and Yahk. Dean of College of dynamics and Inquest. I feel it is appropriate, Zudo, part of a college based on pushing asura magitechnology to its best and learning from experimenting, and inquest having incredible fundings, experiments result for only studying dragon minions and their functions during 8 years now and a base everywhere. (Without adding the fact, they are the only ones who created two hybrids using draconic energies, subject Alpha and Beta).

    The dead dragons magic course through the ley lines, so it explains how Jormag received the other dragon’s spheres of influence as well, however to lesser degrees, since Taimi advised that proximity matters. Primordus physically moved to some of the Ley live hot spots to absorb the magic left by Zhaitan and Mordremoth. Much like adding water to a river system. Would also explain how Jormag obtained Kralkatorrik and Balthazar’s magic as well since these energies likely made it’s way into the ley line streams, most likely in smaller doses, since Aurene and Kralkatorrik absorbed most of Balthazar’s magic, as well as when Kralkatorrik kicked the bucket as well.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:
    Also good that Tyrian players without exp will see some people who go so deeper xD

    Yeah, I guess new (low level) players will be totally happy about not being able to tag events/bosses because fully-geared level 80 player zergs rush the events/bosses. or not?

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  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2020

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @lare.5129 said:
    Also good that Tyrian players without exp will see some people who go so deeper xD

    Yeah, I guess new (low level) players will be totally happy about not being able to tag events/bosses because fully-geared level 80 player zergs rush the events/bosses. or not?

    this is also will be cool, but how I understand they will we only us near some gates/instance, and that all. No, no, I hope they will be not happy, hope they unhappy. This is more stronger feeling. This is best sweet to show some road, that you can't cross without pass.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Taylan.2187Taylan.2187 Member ✭✭✭

    Did I miss something or does the last chapter still not have voice acting? Because I'm still waiting for that before I do it, haven't stepped a foot in Drizzlewood.

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    The problem with invasion angles if they go in open world is that they date badly. I've never been a fan of mixing timelines in map areas.

    Totally agree. I only started playing like 3 years ago and those toxic krait thingy things which were apparently part of LWS1 were just... confusing. Imagine you're a new player now and not only have those, but also the Awakened invasions, and now a third kind? Ehh...

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Taylan.2187 said:
    Did I miss something or does the last chapter still not have voice acting? Because I'm still waiting for that before I do it, haven't stepped a foot in Drizzlewood.

    The last two episodes will get their VA when this "chapter" goes live on the 17th

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    @Taylan.2187 said:
    Totally agree. I only started playing like 3 years ago and those toxic krait thingy things which were apparently part of LWS1 were just... confusing. Imagine you're a new player now and not only have those, but also the Awakened invasions, and now a third kind? Ehh...

    I believe the "dragon response missions" will be instanced content, as they're being built for solo play or up to 5 players (with scaling). I don't believe you'll have to worry about timeline mixing for this.

  • Taylan.2187Taylan.2187 Member ✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Taylan.2187 said:
    Did I miss something or does the last chapter still not have voice acting? Because I'm still waiting for that before I do it, haven't stepped a foot in Drizzlewood.

    The last two episodes will get their VA when this "chapter" goes live on the 17th

    Oh kitten, I didn't even notice there was another episode I haven't played yet. xD

    Great to hear they're getting their voice acting finally.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    The Tengu are one of the coolest races on Tyria...

    Your definition of cool is FAR different to mine...

    What exactly is it that you dislike about them?

    Here is what I like about them:

    • graceful bird race (I find the design appealing)
    • culturally interesting (eastern Asian theme, code of honor, etc - see GW1)
  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    bird race

    This is the very reason I don't like them.
    Some people just don't like parrots.

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    The Tengu are one of the coolest races on Tyria...

    Your definition of cool is FAR different to mine...

    What exactly is it that you dislike about them?

    Here is what I like about them:

    • graceful bird race (I find the design appealing)

    Graceful? A Ballet dancer is graceful, a chicken strutting is not. I dislike the aesthetics, just as I dislike Charr aesthetics.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    Graceful? A Ballet dancer is graceful, a chicken strutting is not.

    :lol: Well, I remember the fight animations from GW1, and I thought they looked "graceful" in a way (or perhaps that's just how I remember them). But I see your point. ;)

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    The Tengu are dope, and birds are cool. Also, there are many variety of Tengu all over the world. They were prominent in Cantha, but they're also in Kryta, the Maguuma, Elona (not that we've seen in game, just heard of in lore), and the Shiverpeaks. They're a very widespread race, just like real birds in life. So I wouldn't say they've got an "East Asian" theme, as even the DoWs is comprised of several tribes. Perhaps the Canthan Tengu are the dominant population, however. I don't think we have enough information to determine that though.

    EDIT: There's a lot of good information about this in this thread: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/34629/arrival-of-tengu-and-construction-of-the-dominion-of-winds

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    Graceful? A Ballet dancer is graceful, a chicken strutting is not.

    :lol: Well, I remember the fight animations from GW1, and I thought they looked "graceful" in a way (or perhaps that's just how I remember them). But I see your point. ;)

    Your reply was graceful though :)

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 16, 2020

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Considering the fact you have vine-death touched destroyers in ember bay and draconic mons, I've established that map of draconic magics release. Each radius is perimeter is established from the dead corpse of the corresponding dragon in the center.

    ?? why you think that this is not instances? As we know action will be on core map, so you can be sure that any view like from LS - is instance wiht portal from Caledon or Brisb.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2020

    @lare.5129 said:

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Considering the fact you have vine-death touched destroyers in ember bay and draconic mons, I've established that map of draconic magics release. Each radius is perimeter is established from the dead corpse of the corresponding dragon in the center.

    ?? why you think that this is not instances? As we know action will be on core map, so you can be sure that any view like from LS - is instance wiht portal from Caledon or Brisb.

    You surely quoted the wrong person. Nothing related between what you say and the quote. /shrug

    Anyway, of course it is instance never doubted. Strikes and story are instances by defaults.

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