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  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2020

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @theoneparttwo.9561 said:
    No. Non. Nope. Nein. Nyet. Never. Nuh-uh.

    There are a million and a half reasons why it won't happen, and continuing to beat that dead horse is likely what led us to having that malformed Pegasus skin for the Griffon. The devs used a group of necromancers to reanimate the desecrated corpse of said dead horse and sold it in the gem shop. Please, for the sake of the malformed Pegasus, just stop already with these posts! ( :tongue: )

    Once upon a time these forums were filled with posts that said there would never be mounts and to stop flogging a dead horse asking for them... I guess you were not around then...

    Except mounts didn't requires Anet to rework all their available armor skins to implement ... a new race like Tengu most likely does. Considering how LITTLE value adding a new race to the game actually has ... it's very likely you won't see it being playable.

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  • PseudoNewb.5468PseudoNewb.5468 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    That is why the way I see it. They won't do a new race unless that re-build a lot of the character customizability ("fashion wars") content. It is a big chunk of "content" with a lot of controversies, with armor weight mixing, outfits providing streamline customizations, hair removal, and clipping here and there and everywhere. This is arguably a more important issue in the game. But if such a re-work makes rigging a new race vastly easier, I could see it as icing on the cake.

  • Vavume.8065Vavume.8065 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @theoneparttwo.9561 said:
    No. Non. Nope. Nein. Nyet. Never. Nuh-uh.

    There are a million and a half reasons why it won't happen, and continuing to beat that dead horse is likely what led us to having that malformed Pegasus skin for the Griffon. The devs used a group of necromancers to reanimate the desecrated corpse of said dead horse and sold it in the gem shop. Please, for the sake of the malformed Pegasus, just stop already with these posts! ( :tongue: )

    Once upon a time these forums were filled with posts that said there would never be mounts and to stop flogging a dead horse asking for them... I guess you were not around then...

    Except mounts didn't requires Anet to rework all their available armor skins to implement ... a new race like Tengu most likely does. Considering how LITTLE value adding a new race to the game actually has ... it's very likely you won't see it being playable.

    Mounts required Anet to come up with a lot of different mounts/skills and mount skins, which is also a lot of work... and I never asked for Tengu to be playable... I want Awakened. Also I personally think adding a new race adds a lot of value to the game and that it is actually quite likely that they will add one with EoD.

  • Since race doesn't add much to actual playability (all races have the same skills, attributes, etc.) of the game, it'd be interesting if they played with the concept of tonics a bit more.

    How about a story mission that gets us a tengu tonic? Make a few tonics to choose the appearance/style of the tengu. Make the tonic a combat tonic, but rather than keeping your own skills, you get tengu skills, both weapon and utility on a fixed bar, so one build) (tied to the type of tonic you choose) but keep your character's stats. So basically a warrior would be better equipped as far as gear goes to choose the "warrior tengu" from the tonic list. You can eventually get all the tonics, so if you have the gear you can build for a "ranger tengu" for example even if your main is actually a asura elementalist for example.

    From a lore perspective, acquiring the tonic is how we first get into the Dominion of the Winds, etc. Maybe this is how we solidify an alliance (although I assume the tengu would be pissed off by being tricked).

    Anyway, this allows everyone to become a playable tengu. It also gives us new play mechanics (skills, transformation system beyond just novelty, etc.). It fits into the story, and basically allows us to have a "starter area" experience without having to haphazardly deal with weaving a new playable race into the game and spending time making existing weapons, armor, etc. fit. It has replayablity since people can go collect all the tonics to access all the different tengu looks and professions. It adds another level to the character build system. This system could be continually built upon so that the player character can basically have an alter-ego that changes the way they play. Why even stop at tengu, more races, skills, animations, could be slowly implemented over time. Anet could even monitize it by allowing cosmetic gem store tonics that keep the skills of the in-game tonics but change the design of the character (warrior tengu with other colors, armor, etc.).

    For me, this would be more interesting from a gameplay standpoint and more seamless from a lore standpoint. If these tonics are able to be used in PvP, WvW and PvE, then a lot of thought is going to have to go into balancing them since it would be essentially making new professions without player customizable utlity builds (minus the ability for characters to switch back and forth outside of combat and find interesting ways to synergize their main build with a transformation build).

    Maybe something like this will be the new game changing feature in the next expac. Who knows?!

  • Oh yeah, and if you have gliding unlocked (which most characters playing EoD probably would), then in tengu form you know...you just glide with your tengu wings.

    Being able to ride mounts while transformed, that will probably depend on some balance things. I am sure Anet doesn't want people to run around as a tengu 100% of the time and replace their main character. So they will probably have to find certain ways to hamstring the system.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @theoneparttwo.9561 said:
    No. Non. Nope. Nein. Nyet. Never. Nuh-uh.

    There are a million and a half reasons why it won't happen, and continuing to beat that dead horse is likely what led us to having that malformed Pegasus skin for the Griffon. The devs used a group of necromancers to reanimate the desecrated corpse of said dead horse and sold it in the gem shop. Please, for the sake of the malformed Pegasus, just stop already with these posts! ( :tongue: )

    Once upon a time these forums were filled with posts that said there would never be mounts and to stop flogging a dead horse asking for them... I guess you were not around then...

    Except mounts didn't requires Anet to rework all their available armor skins to implement ... a new race like Tengu most likely does. Considering how LITTLE value adding a new race to the game actually has ... it's very likely you won't see it being playable.

    Mounts required Anet to come up with a lot of different mounts/skills and mount skins, which is also a lot of work...

    Sure ... but not even CLOSE to the amount of work that would be required to make Tengu a playable class with all the existing skins. Maybe you don't think that difference matters ... I can assure you it does. Making this race playable is a cosmetic implementation and for the work, there are better choices Anet could make to assign resources if they just want to add cosmetics to the game.

    I mean, it's not even JUST about the amount of work either and other people have pointed these reasons out many times over the years. I get your point is to not say Anet won't do something ... but that's not what people have done here ... they have given reasons (and good ones) why it's very unlikely to happen. Frankly, if Anet were to introduce a new playable class as an expansion feature we all pay for ... I would SERIOUSLY question their commitment to delivering content that has VALUE to the majority of the playerbase.

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  • @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    It can be an option. I still think next expac should introduce a secondary character companion, like a hero that you can equip with its own gear and profession. You can swap to them outside of combat to play as them. They could have Tengu, or any other playable race they want to add. You get your glamour wars for new races, anet gets profit off the outfits people buy, there you go.

    Why would we need heroes? It's an MMO.

    They had heroes in GW1

  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭

    Why do so many people want this? It's just a charr with a bird's head.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @VocalThought.9835 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    It can be an option. I still think next expac should introduce a secondary character companion, like a hero that you can equip with its own gear and profession. You can swap to them outside of combat to play as them. They could have Tengu, or any other playable race they want to add. You get your glamour wars for new races, anet gets profit off the outfits people buy, there you go.

    Why would we need heroes? It's an MMO.

    They had heroes in GW1

    And GW1 aint a MMO

  • The Fear.3865The Fear.3865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    How about a story mission that gets us a tengu tonic? Make a few tonics to choose the appearance/style of the tengu. Make the tonic a combat tonic, but rather than keeping your own skills, you get tengu skills, both weapon and utility on a fixed bar, so one build) (tied to the type of tonic you choose) but keep your character's stats. So basically a warrior would be better equipped as far as gear goes to choose the "warrior tengu" from the tonic list. You can eventually get all the tonics, so if you have the gear you can build for a "ranger tengu" for example even if your main is actually a asura elementalist for example.

    You missed the ursanway right ?

    Never do that again anet, please.

    Except mounts didn't requires Anet to rework all their available armor skins to implement ... a new race like Tengu most likely does.

    It doesn't.

  • Playable quaggan or riot. With a racial skill that activates rage mode.

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  • @theoneparttwo.9561 said:
    No. Non. Nope. Nein. Nyet. Never. Nuh-uh.

    There are a million and a half reasons why it won't happen, and continuing to beat that dead horse is likely what led us to having that malformed Pegasus skin for the Griffon. The devs used a group of necromancers to reanimate the desecrated corpse of said dead horse and sold it in the gem shop. Please, for the sake of the malformed Pegasus, just stop already with these posts! ( :tongue: )

    WE do not speak of the abomination chimera of the void of many-faces!!!

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    It can be an option. I still think next expac should introduce a secondary character companion, like a hero that you can equip with its own gear and profession. You can swap to them outside of combat to play as them. They could have Tengu, or any other playable race they want to add. You get your glamour wars for new races, anet gets profit off the outfits people buy, there you go.

    Why would we need heroes? It's an MMO.

    I guess you never played Star wars the old republic... it is an MMO and it has companion characters.

    I remember that 3 manning all the dungeons with 2dps 1 healer and my companion as tank.

    Heh I remember soloing all those dungeons with a dps companion. SWTOR is an older and more poorly designed game in so many respects, but until very recently they did allow for a wide range of playstyles to succeed in their dungeons. Stealth actually had value, and you could solo even the hard modes with a variety of combinations (player tank/companion dps, player healer/companion tank, etc). People talk like build diversity is absolutely everything when it comes to freedom in GW2, but I emphatically disagree. There are ways to design encounters that allow for a fairly restricted set of builds to still find different paths to success, and I think that sort of freedom matters just as much as the build diversity everyone is always screaming about.

    But yeah, been following this thread, looking through older ones, and reading other stuff about Tengu... and I have to conclude that it will take a lot of work for almost no value added to the game (aside from tickling the 'aficionados').

  • Kichwas.7152Kichwas.7152 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Balsa.3951 said:
    I explain for everyone who want tengu

    Anet is a company who need think about cost of production in relation to how much money they can get from it.

    here the workload to implement tengu

    [A bunch of stuff]

    Here are the wins for anet
    [not much stuff]

    Sadly this.

    Look at even WoW these days - all their new races for the recent spat of xPacs are like the mount skins here - now your Britney Spears Elf comes in smurf colors, $X please.

    Tengu should have been there at guild wars 2 launch when the lore was actually begging for them to be included - so much so that it looks like they were half made and then stopped because somebody wanted 'XXX-anime plant girls' which itself got canned because somebody else on the project said 'WT-kitten', who let the ghost of Roddenberry in here, and made them redo the Sylvari (thankfully).

    But um, yeah... too late now.

    A new race that shared the body frame of an existing one could be doable. But we already have Norn and Human which basically a walking advert for growth hormones and nothing more... At least WoW made their new elves in funny colors and their goats in glow...

    At launch, the game should have had Skritt, Tengu, and Dredge. I'd argue Centaur too because back then mounts were not on the plan that we know of... But doing any one of these now is a big budget refactor of a lot of existing content for not much gain.

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  • To be fair, you're all talking about how much work it'd take to implement Yengu, but do we actually know how much MORE work that they have left to do? I'd like to think that Arenanet's already been working on them and keeping the data on tight wraps in prep for End Of Dragons.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    New playable races would be a welcome change.

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    New playable races would be a welcome change.

    How so? What would a new race really change that a tonic wouldn't handle?

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:
    New playable races would be a welcome change.

    How so? What would a new race really change that a tonic wouldn't handle?

    Don't mis-understand me, I am not implying a tonic may not work. What I am saying is there have been enough requests for this over 7-8 years that it would tend to show there is an interest, at least from the sampling seen on the forums and over region chats thru the years. Charr fan myself, but could see buying more toon slots to allow for a new race and builds. It's one of those money left on the table type transactions they are missing.

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  • Kind of don't see it. Because that means Anet will have to create some new personal stories. 2012 Anet sure but I just don't see the 2020 Anet team to create something like this again.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @waxx.3619 said:
    Kind of don't see it. Because that means Anet will have to create some new personal stories. 2012 Anet sure but I just don't see the 2020 Anet team to create something like this again.

    As far as ANet doing anything, that's up to the business and gem store directors along with any analysts. What's the scope, what the resources, what's the return based on stats they already have. Along with that scope though is, does it need a personal story? Are there other options? To me, no it doesn't. 31 character spots. Maybe 1 all the way thru the story, most never started it. Didn't stop them from getting to 80. Besides there is a case study out there for approaches to this, WoW has a number of them. Don't need to reinvent the wheel here. Not to mention, do they just need an intro story, plenty of those options coming up.

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  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    I don't get all the love for Tengu, walking around like an advert for KFC is just not my thing, give me the Awakened as a playable race, I want to play an Undead Rogue Thief again.

    As everyone tells me when I want shapeshifting, go play WoW. Because its there in that game and "GuIlD WaRs Is UnIqUe REEEEEE!"

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2020

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    I don't get all the love for Tengu, walking around like an advert for KFC is just not my thing, give me the Awakened as a playable race, I want to play an Undead Rogue Thief again.

    As everyone tells me when I want shapeshifting, go play WoW. Because its there in that game and "GuIlD WaRs Is UnIqUe REEEEEE!"

    We got it here aswell necromancers shapeshift and norn racial elites.
    Edit
    I think there is a good reason why anet wouldent want animal shifting because it would kill fasion wars and those players wouldent buy the new shiney from the gem store.

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    I don't get all the love for Tengu, walking around like an advert for KFC is just not my thing, give me the Awakened as a playable race, I want to play an Undead Rogue Thief again.

    As everyone tells me when I want shapeshifting, go play WoW. Because its there in that game and "GuIlD WaRs Is UnIqUe REEEEEE!"

    We got it here aswell necromancers shapeshift and norn racial elites.
    Edit
    I think there is a good reason why anet wouldent want animal shifting because it would kill fasion wars and those players wouldent buy the new shiney from the gem store.

    I mean The racial elites are hot garbage, Necromancer really shouldn't count as Im not talking about a timed form that is only there for a moment. Im talking about being a giant monster all the time and that being the playstyle; Like I said he should play wow because thats whatever one else says when anyone askes for anything. "Go play this, go play that" rather than allowing people to ask A-net for anything. Like me he isn't welcome here, nor is anyone who wants anything different than what is and what has been because guild wars 2 will never be more than that.

    Accept that and move on.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Thornwolf.9721 said:

    @Vavume.8065 said:
    I don't get all the love for Tengu, walking around like an advert for KFC is just not my thing, give me the Awakened as a playable race, I want to play an Undead Rogue Thief again.

    As everyone tells me when I want shapeshifting, go play WoW. Because its there in that game and "GuIlD WaRs Is UnIqUe REEEEEE!"

    We got it here aswell necromancers shapeshift and norn racial elites.
    Edit
    I think there is a good reason why anet wouldent want animal shifting because it would kill fasion wars and those players wouldent buy the new shiney from the gem store.

    I mean The racial elites are hot garbage, Necromancer really shouldn't count as Im not talking about a timed form that is only there for a moment. Im talking about being a giant monster all the time and that being the playstyle; Like I said he should play wow because thats whatever one else says when anyone askes for anything. "Go play this, go play that" rather than allowing people to ask A-net for anything. Like me he isn't welcome here, nor is anyone who wants anything different than what is and what has been because guild wars 2 will never be more than that.

    Accept that and move on.

    Yes and when your the 10 ton gorilla in the game, is it then time to demand that armor parts is made for that shape shift and then the next shapeshift because someone else wanna play a kitsune or a centaur.

    Were do the cosmetic demands end?

    Honestly anet should just release a combat tonic similar to the kodan one and you can play what you want with that one outfit per tonic

  • @Linken.6345 said:
    No chance they being playable but probabely one of the allies we rep up get help from in dragon respons mission and buy stuff from.

    The Devs once said that mounts were not an option. Now we have eight different mounts...

  • @kharmin.7683 said:

    No big deal to you, perhaps, but I can imagine a lot of players complaining about not having their Tengu able to be represented by past content.

    I see your point but at the same time the dev team can alter the voice of an already existing VA to sound different for tengu so they can play through past stories and that would bypass a very large problem of having tengu play through past content. However, they did get a new VA for male charr a while back and he not only had to reread old lines but also had to do new lines as well. I see how you think this can be a big hurdle, just pointing out how Anet (who has been rather creative at solving problems like this) can bypass that issue.

    Alternatively they can go the "non-lore breaking" route and have tenug join in EoD and bypass that problem entirely.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dragon.4782 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:
    No chance they being playable but probabely one of the allies we rep up get help from in dragon respons mission and buy stuff from.

    The Devs once said that mounts were not an option. Now we have eight different mounts...

    The devs once said that there will be alliances in WvW adn we are waiting to this ay for it. So your argument is?

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • Tseison.4659Tseison.4659 Member ✭✭✭

    To be honest, I don't see adding the Tengus as a bad idea and it could probably work if they:

    • Didn't focus on making previous gear fit them and gave them different ones, while looking into making the others fit them perhaps down the road.
    • Since they wanted nothing to do with the rest of the races, their story can start in HoT/Cantha so then they wouldn't have to come up with so much back story in regards to Zhaitan etc...
      But as many others have said, it likely won't happen and I wouldn't be bummed if they weren't going to be added. I 100% welcome the idea since Tyria seems to be flooded with people picking mostly Human toons. Overall, Tengu isn't really a priority and I would rather them focus on Elite Specs.
  • MrForz.1953MrForz.1953 Member ✭✭✭

    Adapt current model as a character to move around and play with, figure out the whole story thing, adapt every single piece of light, medium and heavy armors and outfits to the model...

    Oh boy, do it. DO IT! I want to see if I'm going to be split in two laughing when I put something like this on my Tengu. Infact... Would they be able to wear even a small fraction of all the armors we have?

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2021

    @Dragon.4782 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:
    No chance they being playable but probabely one of the allies we rep up get help from in dragon respons mission and buy stuff from.

    The Devs once said that mounts were not an option. Now we have eight different mounts...

    Do you have a source stating that it was not an option?

  • @Dragon.4782 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:
    No chance they being playable but probabely one of the allies we rep up get help from in dragon respons mission and buy stuff from.

    The Devs once said that mounts were not an option. Now we have eight different mounts...

    The devs said they would not be in game at launch. They never said they weren’t an option at a later date. If you have a dev quote saying that they would never be in the game then you should post it.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dragon.4782 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:
    No chance they being playable but probabely one of the allies we rep up get help from in dragon respons mission and buy stuff from.

    The Devs once said that mounts were not an option. Now we have eight different mounts...

    You got a source on that since, I dont remember them ever saying that it was us players.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Really. Just combat tonics, tengu, largos, dwarf, quaggan and skritt. Will do the big part.

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  • @lokh.2695 said:

    @Dragon.4782 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:
    No chance they being playable but probabely one of the allies we rep up get help from in dragon respons mission and buy stuff from.

    The Devs once said that mounts were not an option. Now we have eight different mounts...

    The devs once said that there will be alliances in WvW adn we are waiting to this ay for it. So your argument is?

    Alliances for the original gw were introduced in Factions, which also introduced Cantha. lets wait and see if we both get our wishes :)

  • Tseison.4659Tseison.4659 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2021

    Bumping. Here’s a question: What would everyone do/say IF they actually were going to introduce the Tengu as a playable race, starting their story in the Cantha region and also unlocking the Domain of the Winds in EoD??

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tseison.4659 said:
    Bumping. Here’s a question: What would everyone do/say IF they actually were going to introduce the Tengu as a playable race, starting their story in the Cantha region and also unlocking the Domain of the Winds in EoD??

    I would make a tengu to see their story.

  • @Tseison.4659 said:
    Bumping. Here’s a question: What would everyone do/say IF they actually were going to introduce the Tengu as a playable race, starting their story in the Cantha region and also unlocking the Domain of the Winds in EoD??

    I would make several Tengu characters haha! I've been wanting the race ever since launch. I have several characters that were originally name saves for tengu that I ended up falling in love with. They're such a cool race and I really hope we get to see a lot more of them lorewise in EoD!!

    It would motivate me to open up my wallet for those fancy gem wings I see people getting, and mount skins to suit the new looks. They managed to pull off limited mounts extraordinarily well, and I believe they'd be able to implement Tengu as a playable race despite the uphill challenge it would be. (and I really hope they do my tengu savings need to be spent please I need my army of bird characters)

  • Rauderi.8706Rauderi.8706 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @stephiJK.2810 said:
    I would make several Tengu characters haha!

    Same. I'd get one for every profession/new elite. But I'm not holding out for it. :p

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @JUN YANG.4328 said:
    base on the new trailer. anet given multiple "looks" "colour" of Tengu. i think it will be big chance, Tengu is the next useable races on EOD. and share the outfit/ layout with charr.

    Based on the trailer, it is exactly as likely as Exalted, or Dwarves. So, pretty much unlikely.

    Look closer, Tengu are just suggested as another ally faction - and as for different tengu looks, it's not a recent thing, they have been tweaking/adding new tengu looks every now and then since very, very long ago. Every single time it happens someone thinks it is a sign they will be introduced as a new race, and every single time it turns out to be a false alarm. So, don't raise your hopes too much - at this point in the game, considering its effort to gain ratio, adding a new race is just extremely unlikely.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Ogwom.7940Ogwom.7940 Member ✭✭✭

    I would be slightly disappointed if I don't see tengu as playable race in EoD, but not devastated.
    I can understand why they wouldn't implement it, since it will take a lot of work, but there are also factors that really support the idea that they could become playable.
    1. They were initially planned to be a playable race before vanilla's release.
    2. They have a main city.
    3. We don't necessarily need to have voice acting or a lengthy story mode, since I doubt many people enjoyed the vanilla core story.
    4. We don't need to have voice acting for past content, Drizzlewood's release wasn't horrible without VA, and so many people skip dialogue in dungeons and past content from the vanilla game anyway. Just focus VA on new content.
    5. The have new improved model and animations since HoT which look really great.
    6. Mounts, Elona, Cantha and Gliding all came true, regardless of people saying it wouldn't come.

    Other than that, I don't see any other races becoming playable as much as tengu could.
    My points I listed aren't necessarily the strongest, which means I don't wouldn't be surprised if tengu don't become playable.
    Don't get your hopes and don't have high expectations. Just be pleasantly surprised if it does come.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ogwom.7940 said:
    1. They were initially planned to be a playable race before vanilla's release.

    Which was back in 2012. Probably none of the original devs works at ANet anymore and the game has so much spaghetti code that they would most likely have to design from scratch so that none of the work done prior to 2012 counts for anything.

    1. They have a main city.

    No they don't. There's a place on the world map where the Tengu city would have been and there's lore behind said city, but the map isn't designed, tested or anything yet. So again, ANet would have to build from scratch.

    1. We don't necessarily need to have voice acting or a lengthy story mode, since I doubt many people enjoyed the vanilla core story.

    Let me tell you about the Revenant class, that was released with the first expansion and ANet decided to cut exactly those corners. Revs still to this day, don't get to use racial skills and not so long ago more than half of the classes skillswere locked underwater because "I doubt many people enjoy so why bother". Rev still feels like the fosterchild of GW2 classes to this day ad I doubt that designing a new race with that mindset would go down well with the community. After all people want to play birbs.

    1. We don't need to have voice acting for past content, Drizzlewood's release wasn't horrible without VA, and so many people skip dialogue in dungeons and past content from the vanilla game anyway. Just focus VA on new content.

    What about the people that like voice acting and the threads of people that demanded VA for drizzlewood sooner? Those don't count because you are not one of them?

    1. The have new improved model and animations since HoT which look really great.

    That's true, but is not argument for a new race to be implemented.

    1. Mounts, Elona, Cantha and Gliding all came true, regardless of people saying it wouldn't come.

    All these things added stuff to the game while a new race would stop mattering after an hour of gameplay. But I know...muh mounts...

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • Ogwom.7940Ogwom.7940 Member ✭✭✭

    @lokh.2695

    I already specifically said that my points weren’t very strong.
    Your replies are worded in a slightly passive aggressive tone, but anyways for the most part I already completely agree with a lot of your points.
    I was just giving examples as to why tengu could be viable.

    Also, just because Anet may not have built or will never build the Dominion of Winds, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist lol.
    Lore wise it is canon that the tengu have main city, regardless if you want them to or not.

    This is just anecdotal but I haven’t met a person who actually enjoys the cutscenes from the vanilla personnel story.
    I haven’t met a person who constantly replays the vanilla story and in fact lots of people I know just skipped it.
    I am not saying that this is GW2’s whole demographic and I should have presented actual statistics before commenting on this conversation.
    In my previous reply I meant to distinguish between the voice acting of new content versus the old content.
    Do more people play living world story and content more than vanilla’s story? I would think so, though I may be wrong. Again we would have to look at statistics.
    When I did play Drizzlewood when it first released, it was quite packed and I saw numerous people. That’s why I also think that the people who really want voice acting could be the vocal minority?
    Again my example there is only anecdotal.

    To me, it would be really cool to play as and customize a new race, but I am hesitant even with that since we barely get new hairstyles, faces, horns tattoos and etc.
    I guess they did update hairs with PoF, but that was just for humans mostly with reworks on chart horns.
    I would have liked to have seen more born customization for IBS.

    To go back to tengu, I also see that they are using them as allies in the new content, similar to the ebon vanguard, crystal bloom and etc, which makes me think they will just be NPCs sadly and nothing more.

  • @Ogwom.7940 said:
    I am not saying that this is GW2’s whole demographic and I should have presented actual statistics before commenting on this conversation.

    It's really easy to criticize any subject that's put on the spotlight, granted lohk has placed valid points, I agree the tone is in the disfavor of discussion. It comes off as 'just stop talking about this'. There's no harm in speculation and talking about what we hope to see in the game. I understand the pessimism, being a player from launch and seeing some of the downfalls first hand. However, I'm still very open to discussion from either side of the point as long as it's not explicitly dismissive and has something to add rather than trying to shut down the conversation.

    Do more people play living world story and content more than vanilla’s story? I would think so, though I may be wrong. Again we would have to look at statistics.

    That's a hard one for me. If you look at it from a veteran player only, yeah I don't go back for my own characters. However, I've been in story instances so many times for new players I either help out or invited into the game. (Currently trying to recruit my brother and his friends, they're waiting for the steam release!) So unless I'm the only one doing that, it would be towards latest content yeah.

    It did get me thinking about what a new player content would look like if they did add Tengu into EoD. All the veterans joining in with their new player friends to check it out and see. What ways could they optimize the levelling experience and have it intertwine with existing stuff. Along with the hefty task of introducing all the mechanics of the game in an orderly manner that isn't too overwhelming. I'd honestly make several new characters just to see that (even if tengu isn't added)

    I have low expectations for them actually adding tengu as well, but I like to think that means I'd be over the moon if they actually announce it.

  • Give us playable Tengu, PLEASE!

  • @Gimli.9461 said:
    I am convinced that they are teasing us with these colourful Tengu as a preview for how customizable they'll be in character creator.
    All the Tengu in the core game were brown/greyish with not much color.

    The first Tengu that caught my attention was in Drizzlewood coast, the one you do Etchings of weapons for. He was green and stood out much more than core tengu.
    Now the latest trailer has me convinced :grin:

    I am also very curious to meet a female tengu! So far all of them have been male.

    female tengu look just like male tengu.. but bigger.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its just a cosmetic choice , combat tonic is enough.

  • @Linken.6345 said:
    Its just a cosmetic choice , combat tonic is enough.

    No, it's not. We eant to customize our Tengu, choose colors, feather patterns and stuff.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jozuan.5871 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:
    Its just a cosmetic choice , combat tonic is enough.

    No, it's not. We eant to customize our Tengu, choose colors, feather patterns and stuff.

    Easy 5-10 tonics with colours, feather patterns and stuff done.
    And they can put them behind a gold gate like the ice infusion as well win win for anet.

  • Dear people, if you don't want to play a Tengu, just don't. No one is gonna force you to. It's just an race option. We just want to have fun with out bird-people.
    Personally, I don't like charr, but I don't go around asking for them to be removed, or complaining about their existence or something. I just don't play one. Same goes for Tengu.