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EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
edited November 6, 2020 in Lore

With recent events it seems we will finally get into obtaining new allies into the war effort against the Elder Dragons called Allied Factions.

So how do you think Allied Factions may play out through lore reasoning and how that lore may affect the Allied Faction's functions in gameplay?

So far we confirmed that specific factions will finally join the fight against the Elder Dragons and bring in unique NPCs specifically for their faction and some may have unique abilities or combat styles exclusive to their faction.

Crystal Bloom = Elona theme NPCs and have Paragon job NPCs with paragon skills

Ebon Vanguard = Ascalonian NPCs (I can only assume they may have some Ebon Vangard skills from GW1 EotN)

Deldrimor Dwarves = Stone Dwarf NPCs (I can only assume they may have some Deldrimor skills from GW1 EotN)

Tengu = Tengu NPCs using skills we seen for ourselves on the receiving end with Tengu enemies.

I actually won't be surprised if they brought back faction reputation for extra rewards and/or ability to upgrade specific factions

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  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    Don't forget, we also see Exalted and Kodan in the allies section of the trailer.

    As for lore reasons, Destroyers are popping up everywhere, the Commander and Aurene have set up shop in the eye of the North, everyone send some representatives asking the famed Dragon slayer for help.

    • We have known since launch that the Destroyers have been harassing the Tengu, popping up on the other side of the wall. Most likely to attacks rise in number to the point the Tengu are forced to ask for help.
    • The Stone Dwarves have been fighting destroyers since EoTN, and now come back up to the surface chasing them.
    • Crystal Bloom are Aurene's servant, and would fight Primrodus for the same reason they helped fight Kralk.
    • Ebon Vaungard, we see Ebonhawk getting attacked, and Crecia helping defend it. so Primrodus attacks there and the Vanguard get involved.
  • Eekasqueak.7850Eekasqueak.7850 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe we'll get faction abilities too like in EotN.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Too much allies, against a single ED? i hope theres explanations why primordus awake is too much "earth shaking" than jormag.

    I'm not the kind of picky guy with lore, but i think we have 2 EDs(Aurene+Jormag) and basically all tyria now, lots of "old friends".

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  • Pax.3548Pax.3548 Member ✭✭✭

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Too much allies, against a single ED? i hope theres explanations why primordus awake is too much "earth shaking" than jormag.

    I'm not the kind of picky guy with lore, but i think we have 2 EDs(Aurene+Jormag) and basically all tyria now, lots of "old friends".

    Primordious seems to be one of the most destructive dragon of all the elder dragons, and it was the first to awaken. It had about two centuries to build an incredibly massive army from rock and lava, and the only reason it didn't explode like a volcano towards the surface during those years was because the Dwarves's sacrifice, and even then, at the beggining of the personal story one can see the destroyers beggining to resurface in different places. So, Prime could be the biggest threat to Tyria right now as it has a massive army and its naturally inclined to destroy everything, and can also send minions anywhere in the continent, bypassing walls and defenses built above the ground and threatening cities directly.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    @Pax.3548 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Too much allies, against a single ED? i hope theres explanations why primordus awake is too much "earth shaking" than jormag.

    I'm not the kind of picky guy with lore, but i think we have 2 EDs(Aurene+Jormag) and basically all tyria now, lots of "old friends".

    Primordious seems to be one of the most destructive dragon of all the elder dragons, and it was the first to awaken. It had about two centuries to build an incredibly massive army from rock and lava, and the only reason it didn't explode like a volcano towards the surface during those years was because the Dwarves's sacrifice, and even then, at the beggining of the personal story one can see the destroyers beggining to resurface in different places. So, Prime could be the biggest threat to Tyria right now as it has a massive army and its naturally inclined to destroy everything, and can also send minions anywhere in the continent, bypassing walls and defenses built above the ground and threatening cities directly.

    Primy is also probably the most less caring for life in Tyria as well but the other Elder Dragons have some level of care for life even though they twist life into their own vision of what their ideal world is.

    His minion are just pure mindless rock and lava while the other Elder Dragons use the life that exists now and twist it into their own vision or at least create a type of life that is still at least some what sentient but still enslaved to its will.

    In a way Jormag does not lie when she said that she cares about life as her twisted ideas is about protecting life in Ice because when something is preserved in ice it is protected from harm and never has to change once preserved. However, as I said it is still a twisted view and method of what she believes the world should be. Think of it like a twisted view from a overly protective mother who never wants their children or people they care about to change.

    Primordus on the other had probably wants to turn the entire planet to nothing but rocks and lava with no speck of life left on it with only his destroyers roaming the lands since they are mindless lava rock beings or worst case only he will be the only living thing on the planet if he wins since the destroyers served their purposes of wiping all life from the planet.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    @Pax.3548 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Too much allies, against a single ED? i hope theres explanations why primordus awake is too much "earth shaking" than jormag.

    I'm not the kind of picky guy with lore, but i think we have 2 EDs(Aurene+Jormag) and basically all tyria now, lots of "old friends".

    Primordious seems to be one of the most destructive dragon of all the elder dragons, and it was the first to awaken. It had about two centuries to build an incredibly massive army from rock and lava, and the only reason it didn't explode like a volcano towards the surface during those years was because the Dwarves's sacrifice, and even then, at the beggining of the personal story one can see the destroyers beggining to resurface in different places. So, Prime could be the biggest threat to Tyria right now as it has a massive army and its naturally inclined to destroy everything, and can also send minions anywhere in the continent, bypassing walls and defenses built above the ground and threatening cities directly.

    thanks. this is very plausible.

    I just hope they don't throw it at us without an in-game explanation (even a brief one), because not everyone knows the lore of gw1.
    In gw2, they never made the elder dragons' scale of power clear, as a reference we just thought that the post-balthazar Kralkatorrik would be the most powerful of all.

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  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2020

    I am curious how Allied Factions may affect the story missions since each faction is no doubt going to have their own plans and methods to handle X and Y situations. Thus the commander maybe stuck being the tie breaker again on which path to choose leading to the ending.

    It will be nice if they brought back split mission choices based on which Faction the player choose to side with when it comes to the plans in specific missions to bring back a bit of replayability to see the two different outcomes in multiple playthroughs and consequences of those choices as well.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    I am curious how Allied Factions may affect the story missions since each faction is no doubt going to have their own plans and methods to handle X and Y situations. Thus the commander maybe stuck being the tie breaker again on which path to choose leading to the ending.

    It will be nice if they brought back split mission choices based on which Faction the player choose to side with when it comes to the plans in specific missions to bring back a bit of replayability to see the two different outcomes in multiple playthroughs and consequences of those choices as well.

    I doubt they will have any real “consequences” or diverging outcomes. Maybe some different paths, but nothing that they’ll have to account for in the story long term.

    I’m expecting each dragon response mission to be pretty self contained. Like mini strikes or dungeons.

  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    I doubt they will have any real “consequences” or diverging outcomes. Maybe some different paths, but nothing that they’ll have to account for in the story long term.

    I’m expecting each dragon response mission to be pretty self contained. Like mini strikes or dungeons.

    Pretty much. All of these allied factions will default to the Commander/Pact's playbook since that is the default playbook for fighting dragons that have worked thus far.

    They will provide unique NPCs, with their own special attack skills, but it wont be some big tactics choosing thing.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    Almost sounds like a Heroes Lite system.

  • Off topic thought.
    Sajuuk Khar.1509 ✭✭✭✭ said
    " We have known since launch that the Destroyers have been harassing the Tengu, popping up on the other side of the wall. Most likely to attacks rise in number to the point the Tengu are forced to ask for help."

    What if the devs create as last map of the season the Dominion fo winds? The Tengu needs our help battling Primordus. After defeating Primodus the roads to Cantha will become open. The Tengu show us finally, how the escaped from there and together with the dwarfs we will track the depths of tyria back to Cantha. It would be a "safe" passage, cause the DSD is probably just blocking the waterways.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    @Talan Ondar.4150 said:
    What if the devs create as last map of the season the Dominion fo winds? The Tengu needs our help battling Primordus. After defeating Primodus the roads to Cantha will become open. The Tengu show us finally, how the escaped from there and together with the dwarfs we will track the depths of tyria back to Cantha. It would be a "safe" passage, cause the DSD is probably just blocking the waterways.

    I would say it depends whether or not we're getting any new maps during Champions. As far as we know, it might only be instanced story missions in previously released maps. At the moment, I'm imagining we might get one map for the finale if we're lucky. If so, I doubt they'd give us DoW. In my mind they'd pick a large swath of land to be the big battle between Primordus and Jormag. Who knows, though.

    I definitely think the Tengu/DoW have the potential to lead us to Cantha somehow. There's also the tunnel the dredge dug out that goes all the way to Cantha, and with the new Aetherblade speculation we could become allies with them and fly to Cantha. Lots of possibilities.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2020

    They are probably just going to be some kind of reputation system (which would use Achievement system as a tracker, like Commendations in Drizzlewood).
    As for the "Response Missions", they are likely just going to be different flavours of NPCs fighting along-side us.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 8, 2020

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    They are probably just going to be some kind of reputation system (which would use Achievement system as a tracker, like Commendations in Drizzlewood).
    As for the "Response Missions", they are likely just going to be different flavours of NPCs fighting along-side us.

    I expect that the Allied Factions in those response missions maybe based on locations as well. We know the Crystal Bloom and Ebon vanguard are going to be be the two first factions to join and later Dwarf and Tengu.

    Crystal Bloom is probably the the Universal faction to appear in these Response missions due to how they are already being trained to be Aurene and the Commander's starting forces.

    I am curious if the Pact may get involve in this as well since they are the main organization that started the united Campaign against the Elder Dragons.

    Not to mention what they may do with Allied Factions as the story continues and even enter the moment when Elder Dragons are no longer part of the storyline since we know Anet wants to move on from the Elder Dragon storyline to a new story arc that may finally allow us players to explore the rest of the planet since so far we have only explored 20% of it since GW1 and due to how lore wise the Elder Dragons have locked us in the current 20% of the planet because of their constant attacks and threat to the entire world if they win the fight in our current location.

    That aside, it will be a bit funny if in the next story Arc, once the Elder Dragons are no longer the focus, we find out the rest of the world were completely ignorant of the Elder Dragon threat to the point they even say "what is a Elder Dragon and what do you mean the world almost ended?"

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Not to mention what they may do with Allied Factions as the story continues and even enter the moment when Elder Dragons are no longer part of the storyline since we know Anet wants to move on from the Elder Dragon storyline

    I expect allied factions will be the gimmick of the moment. While the factions might remain as the story dictates, as a mechanic I expect them to be sequestered to dragon response mission.

  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    I expect that the Allied Factions in those response missions maybe based on locations as well. We know the Crystal Bloom and Ebon vanguard are going to be be the two first factions to join and later Dwarf and Tengu.

    We also see Kodan and Exalted. So we may get two new allied factions for the first three chapters, then everyone comes together in chapter 4 to fight whoever.

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    I expect allied factions will be the gimmick of the moment. While the factions might remain as the story dictates, as a mechanic I expect them to be sequestered to dragon response mission.

    Pretty much, I doubt the Kodan, or Ebon Vanguard, or the Tengu, are suddenly going to go globe hoping with us or anything.(outside of Tengu going to Cantha)

  • @Talan Ondar.4150 said:

    Off topic thought.
    Sajuuk Khar.1509 ✭✭✭✭ said
    " We have known since launch that the Destroyers have been harassing the Tengu, popping up on the other side of the wall. Most likely to attacks rise in number to the point the Tengu are forced to ask for help."

    What if the devs create as last map of the season the Dominion fo winds? The Tengu needs our help battling Primordus. After defeating Primodus the roads to Cantha will become open. The Tengu show us finally, how the escaped from there and together with the dwarfs we will track the depths of tyria back to Cantha. It would be a "safe" passage, cause the DSD is probably just blocking the waterways.

    Yeah I thought of that too and I'm just hopeful the Truth will be a playable race as well, I can just hope. But most likely that won't happen till they give an ex ant ending for the game where then they can add extras.

  • @Svennis.3852 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    Not to mention what they may do with Allied Factions as the story continues and even enter the moment when Elder Dragons are no longer part of the storyline since we know Anet wants to move on from the Elder Dragon storyline

    I expect allied factions will be the gimmick of the moment. While the factions might remain as the story dictates, as a mechanic I expect them to be sequestered to dragon response mission.

    Definitely, since it's an aspect of dragon recursion missions. Not likely to have dragon recursion missions in End of Dragon, let alone after the Elder Dragon plot.

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:
    I expect that the Allied Factions in those response missions maybe based on locations as well. We know the Crystal Bloom and Ebon vanguard are going to be be the two first factions to join and later Dwarf and Tengu.

    We also see Kodan and Exalted. So we may get two new allied factions for the first three chapters, then everyone comes together in chapter 4 to fight whoever.

    The whole trailer's just for Chapter 1 and the mention in the roadmap about updates "in between releases". I wouldn't label the one exalted as proof of recursion mission allies, because in the Thunderhead Peaks shots, we see Braham talking to Ogden - I imagine that the wyvern, etc. is going to be a story mission, and not the replayable recusion mission with allied factions.]

    Similarly, I am not so hasty to proclaim tengu being involved in the recursion missions either - they could be part of a story instance, and we just see them standing around to chat. Hard to tell with the little show in the trailer.

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  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    The whole trailer's just for Chapter 1

    If so, they did an extremely poor job of suggesting that.

    The trailer says "upcoming chapters feature", which suggests its for a later chapter, and not a future update for this chapter. And that is how I've seen everyone take it as well. Especially since they do that mid trailer title card to suggest everything from the start to that point is chapter 1, and everything after that is later chapters. If it was all for just this one chapter wouldn't it say "upcoming chapter feature" to reference the singular chapter, or upcoming chapter's feature" to show a possessive instead of a plural?

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    The whole trailer's just for Chapter 1

    If so, they did an extremely poor job of suggesting that.

    The trailer says "upcoming chapters feature", which suggests its for a later chapter, and not a future update for this chapter. And that is how I've seen everyone take it as well. Especially since they do that mid trailer title card to suggest everything from the start to that point is chapter 1, and everything after that is later chapters. If it was all for just this one chapter wouldn't it say "upcoming chapter feature" to reference the singular chapter, or upcoming chapter's feature" to show a possessive instead of a plural?

    I see the upcoming chapters features more like fragmented parts of the whole upcoming features. They are just showing a small bit of what to expect each upcoming chapter but a good amount is still not shown yet until those chapters are released or their trailer reveals those unseen contents.

  • @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    The whole trailer's just for Chapter 1

    If so, they did an extremely poor job of suggesting that.

    The trailer says "upcoming chapters feature", which suggests its for a later chapter, and not a future update for this chapter. And that is how I've seen everyone take it as well. Especially since they do that mid trailer title card to suggest everything from the start to that point is chapter 1, and everything after that is later chapters. If it was all for just this one chapter wouldn't it say "upcoming chapter feature" to reference the singular chapter, or upcoming chapter's feature" to show a possessive instead of a plural?

    I personally think that the title might have a small typo, and it is meant to be "upcoming chapter features". But if you think about the development process for games, then it makes sense.

    Best case scenario, if they retained their original teamwork from the IBS announcement, they'd have four teams working on all releases since IBS began, so the Episode 8 team = Sunqua Peaks Fractal team. This means they've worked on that content for less than two months, and some of that time was spent in pre-production with scoping out the plot, determining what it contains, etc. even before going into scripting instances and encounters.

    Add in the fact that the footage for the trailer is likely 3-5 weeks old so that the team which makes trailers could have it done on time with recording, editing, etc., and the recording for the trailer was likely done shortly after - or around when - the Sunqua Peaks team left pre-production for their episode. In this scenario, there is nothing from Episode 8 that could be showcased in the trailer.

    However, if COVID and End of Dragons altered things, then the LW teams are likely numbered three now, and so the Sunqua Peaks team would, instead, be working on Episode 7. So in this scenario, there would nothing from Episode 7 to showcase in the trailer.

    Meaning that, at best, the trailer only shows Episodes 5 and 6. And literally nothing more. And even then, the amount of content from 6 would be miniscule - there'd be no VA for it, and in general it'd be only 2/3rd done, full of bugs - not something you'd want to showcase.

    However, consider the fact that they established there will be additions to content in-between releases, and the fact that they have not ONCE in eight years showcased two releases' content in a single trailer. Why would they break one of the very, very few things they actually maintain consistency with now of all times?

    Then consider that the release page and the trailer don't match up. That even before the "upcoming chapters feature" section, there are things missing from the release page talking about November 17th stuff; and that missing stuff lines up perfectly with the stuff that is in the "upcoming chapters feature" section (namely, allied faction: Ebon Vanguard being MIA from release page, and upcoming chapters feature showcasing Ebonhawke).

    It just makes a lot more sense to consider that the wording is either a typo or accidentally misleading, and it isn't referring to Episode 7 at all.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2020

    I'm confused. The release page says specifcially

    "Guild Wars 2 The Icebrood Saga: Champions Chapter 1 Trailer"

    I can sort of see a bit of ambiguity after the bit in the middle, but I just took that as still being part of this chapter or the stuff they are adding before Chapter 2 (they did say the content would be built on in the weeks between chapters)

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  • @Randulf.7614 said:
    I'm confused. The release page says specifcially

    "Guild Wars 2 The Icebrood Saga: Champions Chapter 1 Trailer"

    I can sort of see a bit of ambiguity after the bit in the middle, but I just took that as still being part of this chapter or the stuff they are adding before Chapter 2 (they did say the content would be built on in the weeks between chapters)

    Not everyone bothered to read the roadmap, and even among those that did, not everyone took note of that one sentence (I didn't until the fourth re-read). Then there's the eternally pessimistic old men in not old man bodies that are just grumpy and blaming everything ANet does (you know, gw2 redditors).

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  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    In gw2, they never made the elder dragons' scale of power clear,

    I mean, we had a newly awakened Zhaitan bringing up an entire landmass out of the ocean like it was nothing. Heart of Thorn started off with Mordremoth casually destroying the fleet that beat Zhaitan. During the lead up to Kralk we had him opening tears in time and space, not only in Jahai, but in core maps as well.

    Yep.. and that is exactly why I am so sold on the idea that Primordus needs to do something so absurdly destructive to sell us on just how dangerous he really is.
    Unlike Jormag we don't have episodes of dialogue to build him up and make us feel the threat he poses and Primordus has so far not even given any indication that he would even bother talking to mortals anyway.. I think he can talk but simply chooses not to on the grounds that we're not worth speaking to.

    I think Primordus needs to do something big.. and personally I am hoping that we have a massive battle with him which ends with Primordus Killing Jormag and going absolutely nuclear on the whole area.. injuring Aurine and disintegrating most of our allies.

  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2020

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    I personally think that the title might have a small typo, and it is meant to be "upcoming chapter features". But if you think about the development process for games, then it makes sense.

    I can only hope so.

    However, consider the fact that they established there will be additions to content in-between releases, and the fact that they have not ONCE in eight years showcased two releases' content in a single trailer. Why would they break one of the very, very few things they actually maintain consistency with now of all times?

    Why change the naming convention from seasons into saga? Why change from giving up complete maps per release to split maps? Why switch from the style of content we got in LWS2, 3, and 4, and the first half of IBS, into that of LWS1? Why also change the naming convention of the saga chapters in the process also? To be honest, IBS has been Anet doing a lot of weird things.

    But yes, I would agree it wouldn't have content from chapters 5-8, just 5/6 at the mos. MAYBE 7 if the Tengu/Koden are from there, since those Kodan are a vanilla assets, and its not difficult to slap some Tengu model on the fort walls and have the camera pan around it for a second.

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    Yep.. and that is exactly why I am so sold on the idea that Primordus needs to do something so absurdly destructive to sell us on just how dangerous he really is.

    Like launching dozens of attacks across Tyria?

  • @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
    Why change the naming convention from seasons into saga?

    They didn't. "The Icebrood Saga" is the name for Season 5. It's still been referred to as Season 5 internally - and even sometimes externally. The whole "it's a saga not a season" came from Greg Miller who hosted the PAX announcement:

    Greg: Now, I'm looking through the notes I jotted down and Julia, you just slipped up.
    Julia: No I didn't. I...
    Greg: You called it a season. It says very clearly, Icebrood Saga.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Icebrood_Saga_announcement

    Even during the announcement, the devs were calling it a season - until Greg "corrected them" on stage. Instead of arguing it out, they did the polite move (albeit questionably not the smart move given the misconceptions it clearly created): they went with the flow rather than correct Greg's correction.

    Why change from giving up complete maps per release to split maps? Why switch from the style of content we got in LWS2, 3, and 4, and the first half of IBS, into that of LWS1?

    The main reason is player division. Fewer maps = fewer division among playerbase. The Season 3 and Season 4 dailies got merged into one rotating category each for the same reason - to funnel the playerbase into fewer maps.

    They're also using this season to experiment a bit - there has been an ever increasing praise of Season 1. Most of it is due to rose-tinted nostalgia glasses, or not actually experiencing the content. But it has pushed ANet to try to bring some of it (and Season 2's) design concepts into the Seasons 3/4 design method, without the biggest negative drawback of being temporary. As said during the announcement:

    Novera: [...] You can still expect the awesome episodic content that you're used to. The difference is, we've now got four content teams and so that kind of gives us a little bit of leeway on what a "release" is.
    Julia: Yeah, I mean, sometimes that's going to be a story focused episode, but it could also mean on expanding existing content or focusing on another element of the game or trying a new type of content that we've never tried before. So, we also have some surprises we want to slide in and I think the design teams going to speak to some of that too in a few minutes here.

    The main thing they were talking about here, of course, was the VotP and fractal intermission releases.

    Why also change the naming convention of the saga chapters in the process also?

    This, I honestly don't know. I can only imagine that COVID, and possibly the green light for End of Dragons, forced them to re-evaluate their designs, which results in a very different gameplay result and they're highlighting this by calling it chapters of "Episode 5" rather than Episodes 5-8.

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  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    This, I honestly don't know. I can only imagine that COVID, and possibly the green light for End of Dragons, forced them to re-evaluate their designs, which results in a very different gameplay result and they're highlighting this by calling it chapters of "Episode 5" rather than Episodes 5-8.

    That dev comment you found for me, from all the way back on February 3rd, seems to indicate this was the plan all along. And that was made before COVID got serious, and shut down things like VA work.

  • @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    This, I honestly don't know. I can only imagine that COVID, and possibly the green light for End of Dragons, forced them to re-evaluate their designs, which results in a very different gameplay result and they're highlighting this by calling it chapters of "Episode 5" rather than Episodes 5-8.

    That dev comment you found for me, from all the way back on February 3rd, seems to indicate this was the plan all along. And that was made before COVID got serious, and shut down things like VA work.

    Pulling in larger influences from Season 1, specifically on the side of community-determined progression or choices, were planned for a while.

    Not having half-a-map-per-release, or calling them chapters of one episode? This is left unclear. Especially given the portal tome's info.

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  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Regarding OP, and I dunno it has been said in comments above; but I noticed something on https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-icebrood-saga-champions/ page.

    "During global faction mobilization events, players can pitch in to train, rally, and build trust with factions both familiar and unlikely. You’ll be rewarded for your efforts, and your allies will begin randomly appearing in Dragon Response Missions to lend their special strengths to the fight."

    -Familiar and unikey factions. Dunno anyone, but an appocalyptic cataclismic earthquake/erruptions are happening, would the bandits, the nightmare court, the sons of svanir, the inquest and the flame legion continue their machinations, laughing at us and using the situation to make even more mischiefs?

    -It says, train, rally and build trust. It either imply a kind of reputation/convincing like deldrimor HQ quest, picking NPCS like jahai bluffs north heart quest or being part of a story mission where our so great "commander" convinces everyone by playing kazoo.

    Would, the nightmare court who got assaulted by the pact in twilight arbor, the inquest from which we nuked two HQ for the story, and sons of svanir that we slaughtered in bjora and drizzlewood and core maps join us? Against, I have a big doubt, but those are the unlikely factions. Maybe even some aetherblade/toxic/molten remnants making a "link" with the aetherblades arts of EoD.

    So like OP said, surely those allies; but also maybe evil organization of tyria, or even the personnal stories factions? Grawl/Hylek/Skritt/Ogres ?

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  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2020

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Regarding OP, and I dunno it has been said in comments above; but I noticed something on https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-icebrood-saga-champions/ page.

    "During global faction mobilization events, players can pitch in to train, rally, and build trust with factions both familiar and unlikely. You’ll be rewarded for your efforts, and your allies will begin randomly appearing in Dragon Response Missions to lend their special strengths to the fight."

    -Familiar and unikey factions. Dunno anyone, but an appocalyptic cataclismic earthquake/erruptions are happening, would the bandits, the nightmare court, the sons of svanir, the inquest and the flame legion continue their machinations, laughing at us and using the situation to make even more mischiefs?

    -It says, train, rally and build trust. It either imply a kind of reputation/convincing like deldrimor HQ quest, picking NPCS like jahai bluffs north heart quest or being part of a story mission where our so great "commander" convinces everyone by playing kazoo.

    Would, the nightmare court who got assaulted by the pact in twilight arbor, the inquest from which we nuked two HQ for the story, and sons of svanir that we slaughtered in bjora and drizzlewood and core maps join us? Against, I have a big doubt, but those are the unlikely factions. Maybe even some aetherblade/toxic/molten remnants making a "link" with the aetherblades arts of EoD.

    So like OP said, surely those allies; but also maybe evil organization of tyria, or even the personnal stories factions? Grawl/Hylek/Skritt/Ogres ?

    I expect Anet to keep Allied Factions to be resonable factions we know are siding with our character lore wise so I don't expect any antagonist factions to join unless the Main Story has already established them as allies or atleast potential allies.

    As for the the Allied Factions mechanics, ya it does seem we are going the improve reputation with X and Y faction route to gain benefits and unlock them as options for specific moments in GW2 upcoming content and future contents such as having allied faction NPCs join into events based on the player's reputation with them. So improving the Faction's reputation will be important to gain more NPC allies into Dragon Response Missions and maybe even special options in Main Story missions.

  • Poormany.4507Poormany.4507 Member ✭✭✭

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @hugo.4705 said:

    I expect Anet to keep Allied Factions to be resonable factions we know are siding with our character lore wise so I don't expect any antagonist factions to join unless the Main Story has already established them as allies or atleast potential allies.

    Based on the teasers and having "unlikely allies", I would not be surprised if the Aetherblades were one of the Allied Factions, despite being antagonists back in Season 1 and not receiving much attention since. As some people have already said, they may also provide passage to Cantha for the expac.

  • EdwinLi.1284EdwinLi.1284 Member ✭✭✭

    @Poormany.4507 said:

    @EdwinLi.1284 said:

    @hugo.4705 said:

    I expect Anet to keep Allied Factions to be resonable factions we know are siding with our character lore wise so I don't expect any antagonist factions to join unless the Main Story has already established them as allies or atleast potential allies.

    Based on the teasers and having "unlikely allies", I would not be surprised if the Aetherblades were one of the Allied Factions, despite being antagonists back in Season 1 and not receiving much attention since. As some people have already said, they may also provide passage to Cantha for the expac.

    There is also possibility that some of these unlikely allies may be small groups of defectors from certain factions.

    Though I suspect there maybe a special side quests involved to unlock these unlikely allies due to being obtained outside of Main Storyline events.

  • I am cautiously optimistic. Factions are a reliable way to introduce limited story agency outside of the golden path and trade based on comparative advantage. Warframe and Eve Online both use factions in this way. More likely than not we get superficial theme park faction mechanics. We will treat all NPCs the same, NPCs will treat everyone the same. I would rather my choices matter and I am ready to trade with someone who made different choices.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    Pulling in larger influences from Season 1, specifically on the side of community-determined progression or choices, were planned for a while.

    Not having half-a-map-per-release, or calling them chapters of one episode? This is left unclear. Especially given the portal tome's info.

    From my understanding, not having new maps for a while was already mentioned in an interview in September 2019.

    Don't expect a new map with every update. We will also work with existing maps and expand those. It's gonna be comparable to season 2, just a little more meaningful and bigger than in the both maps from back then. Firstly, we will start with a big new map and realize things with it, we haven't done before.

    (Source is from the translation of a german interview): https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/d1web4/full_english_translation_for_the_german_interview/?utm_medium=usertext&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Guildwars2&utm_content=t3_j3pz5e

    The big map and things that haven't done before is probably Drizzlewood Coast with it's WvW-like style.

    However, until the Champions-trailer I thought existing, older maps were going to be expanded, and maybe that would have explained the portal tome.