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Mellow.7409Mellow.7409 Member ✭✭✭

Warrior is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage, Signet of Rage isn't even close to being "Elite", Rampage (which should be equivalent to Lich Form) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is an anti-fun support build which isn't very warrior-like if you ask me.

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  • Mellow.7409Mellow.7409 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2020

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons
    25.02.2020 edit - Nevermind, now I spam only 29 skill-buttons

  • Mellow.7409Mellow.7409 Member ✭✭✭

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    I don't get the joke.
    Are ele's flexing that they can still damage with ccs ?
    Pretty sure the elementals are better or on par with Flesh Golem. And FGS really of all you could have picked you got the one thing that didn't get touched by the nerfs https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fiery_Greatsword. The equivalent to rampage would be Tornado but it is kinda better than even Lich so idk.
    Try harder next time with real issues on ele. But if you find something as bad as https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Rage please do tell cause that elite is not even good for utility bar skill.

  • the best warrior builds were always "supporty" in nature and only a few of them were full dps.

    argument destroyed

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Jekkt.6045Jekkt.6045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    the best warrior builds were always "supporty" in nature and only a few of them were full dps.

    argument destroyed

    nah, my argument stands firm.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    Healbreaker is as good as (better than?) support tempest.
    Core warrior is a gazillion times better than core ele.
    Any weaver build is a meme and barely viable, just as any other warrior build.

    Both are in a sad spot indeed. That is @Widmo.3186 's point. Eles have been asking for build variety for years, but we are jumping between stupid side node bunkers and boring support builds since core FA times (NOT YOU D/D!!!).

  • Jekkt.6045Jekkt.6045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    Healbreaker is as good as (better than?) support tempest.
    Core warrior is a gazillion times better than core ele.
    Any weaver build is a meme and barely viable, just as any other warrior build.

    Both are in a sad spot indeed. That is @Widmo.3186 's point. Eles have been asking for build variety for years, but we are jumping between stupid side node bunkers and boring support builds since core FA times (NOT YOU D/D!!!).

    i mean, core FA was really bad back then. people tried to make it work after they killed off s/d and d/d side node ele. it got farmed by mesmer and thief. let's be honest here, ele never had a viable dps build even though core FA was fun.

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    everything is viable 1500+

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jekkt.6045 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    Healbreaker is as good as (better than?) support tempest.
    Core warrior is a gazillion times better than core ele.
    Any weaver build is a meme and barely viable, just as any other warrior build.

    Both are in a sad spot indeed. That is @Widmo.3186 's point. Eles have been asking for build variety for years, but we are jumping between stupid side node bunkers and boring support builds since core FA times (NOT YOU D/D!!!).

    i mean, core FA was really bad back then. people tried to make it work after they killed off s/d and d/d side node ele. it got farmed by mesmer and thief. let's be honest here, ele never had a viable dps build even though core FA was fun.

    But it was far more playable than FA weaver today. Glass staff was kind of playable, now it gets farmed in silver. Yes, I am overexaggerating a litte. But the demand for more diversity has always been a major issue on ele.

    There are some other classes having this issue too, but even rev has had some more options recently.

  • Jekkt.6045Jekkt.6045 Member ✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Jekkt.6045 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    Healbreaker is as good as (better than?) support tempest.
    Core warrior is a gazillion times better than core ele.
    Any weaver build is a meme and barely viable, just as any other warrior build.

    Both are in a sad spot indeed. That is @Widmo.3186 's point. Eles have been asking for build variety for years, but we are jumping between stupid side node bunkers and boring support builds since core FA times (NOT YOU D/D!!!).

    i mean, core FA was really bad back then. people tried to make it work after they killed off s/d and d/d side node ele. it got farmed by mesmer and thief. let's be honest here, ele never had a viable dps build even though core FA was fun.

    But it was far more playable than FA weaver today. Glass staff was kind of playable, now it gets farmed in silver. Yes, I am overexaggerating a litte. But the demand for more diversity has always been a major issue on ele.

    There are some other classes having this issue too, but even rev has had some more options recently.

    Can't disagree with that. 90% of my ele games have probably been on the same build lol.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lmao I love this communities mentality. Seriously! The thread is about op's opinion on the current state of WARRIOR not ele so what in the f....... does any of what op's thread have to do with ele and it's current state? Absolutely nothing so.... if u want to make a thread regarding ele do so kitten, every thread someone posts about the state of the clsss they play players of other classes almost always railroad the thread to complain about the state their prefered class is in, it's funny but annoying.

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lmao I love this communities mentality. Seriously! The thread is about op's opinion on the current state of WARRIOR not ele so what in the f....... does any of what op's thread have to do with ele and it's current state? Absolutely nothing so.... if u want to make a thread regarding ele do so kitten, every thread someone posts about the state of the clsss they play players of other classes almost always railroad the thread to complain about the state their prefered class is in, it's funny but annoying.

    I love it too

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons
    25.02.2020 edit - Nevermind, now I spam only 29 skill-buttons

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Lmao I love this communities mentality. Seriously! The thread is about op's opinion on the current state of WARRIOR not ele so what in the f....... does any of what op's thread have to do with ele and it's current state? Absolutely nothing so.... if u want to make a thread regarding ele do so kitten, every thread someone posts about the state of the clsss they play players of other classes almost always railroad the thread to complain about the state their prefered class is in, it's funny but annoying.

    Yeah, well, maybe ele players can only laugh at other classes' problems. That's all we have left. :lol:

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Quadox.7834 said:
    this is just the return of shoutbow

    Yes it is. It just came with the trade off of gutting w.e was viable before .

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    So is warrior. Heck anyone with experience can take any synergistic build on any class to 1,500. If you cannot what you are lacking is skill not class balance.

    And yes, warrior needs a buffs in some areas, but is also needs nerfs in others.

  • Mellow.7409Mellow.7409 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    So is warrior. Heck anyone with experience can take any synergistic build on any class to 1,500. If you cannot what you are lacking is skill not class balance.

    And yes, warrior needs a buffs in some areas, but is also needs nerfs in others.

    That is the whole point of this thread buddy.

  • felix.2386felix.2386 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    invalid because berserker is the worst class in pvp by miles and burn weaver destroy power spellbreaker on sidenode

    back to topic:
    the more rev i play, the more i realize such a failure of a class warrior is.
    literally.
    dev kept buffing full counter in hope of power warrior surviving as side noder, but instead warrior became anti fun support,
    it has the best support only for it lives the longest

    because it's not about survivbility, it's how warrior can't land damage properly.
    and dev still keep buffing passive sustain via cheese mechanics, instead of giving warrior better option to land damage so warrior can actually avoid damage by actively positioning, instead of just perma sticking to enemy and taking all the damage

    warrior has been unplayable in pvp
    for 6 months till now

    good job balance team

  • firedragon.8953firedragon.8953 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    Honestly I just want them to change 100 blades that has a shorter cast/channel (1-2 second(s)) and/or doesn't root me in place. But we've been asking for that for a long time. It's even worse insult to injury that everyone and their auntie can now wield a GS as well. I seriously think just re-working this one skill would be the biggest game changer for a warrior. This game has active combat and warrior is a close range class. Like seriously, root the melee class on their highest normal dps skill? I wouldn't even care if they removed the final strike damage of the skill. Just have the skill hit twice in rapid succession and recharge "Rush" to allow warriors to bounce to a new target, pursue or escape. I would love to see the warrior pick off enemies from larger groups with Bladetrail > Rush > 100 blades (improved) > continue attacks, Whirlwind, weapon swap, etc. (optional) > Rush (away or pursue). It seems like Anet tried making a DPS/mobility line for the warrior with traits like forceful greatsword and that other GS weapon skills, but 100 blades really is the odd man out.

    Change "Repeatedly strike multiple foes. The last strike does extra damage." to "Strike multiple foes in quick succession. Recharges Rush."

    Of course there are tons of other things that should be reconsidered with CC. But again, I think100 blades would indeed make the warrior a bit more feared that he may actually wreck you if you meet him face to face on the battlefield.

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    100% warrior situation is so sad.. the 0 damage on cc destroyed warrior.

  • Henrik.7560Henrik.7560 Member ✭✭✭

    Bulls charge and greatsword 5 completely miss the target majority of the time because i play 200ms and anet won't fix the clunky skills ever

    [eA] Sakura | Anvil Rock

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @Henrik.7560 said:
    Bulls charge and greatsword 5 completely miss the target majority of the time because i play 200ms and anet won't fix the clunky skills ever

    They are actually well designed: they are "dodgeable" unlike other classes' skills without telegraphs. A lot of hard hitting skills need better telegraphs. When this is done, the game needs a big sustain reduction and we are almost at a balanced spot, where skill (good resource management like timed dodges) matters.

    @Mellow.7409 said:
    Rampage _(which should be equivalent to Lich Form)

    Rampage has a different design approach than lich. Rampage has a ton of CC while lich has none. With the same logic you could demand that the warrior hammer should deal as much damage as the reaper greatsword. This would be the ultimate broken weapon.

  • @KrHome.1920 said:

    @Henrik.7560 said:
    Bulls charge and greatsword 5 completely miss the target majority of the time because i play 200ms and anet won't fix the clunky skills ever

    They are actually well designed: they are "dodgeable" unlike other classes' skills without telegraphs. A lot of hard hitting skills need better telegraphs. When this is done, the game needs a big sustain reduction and we are almost at a balanced spot, where skill (good resource management like timed dodges) matters.

    @Mellow.7409 said:
    Rampage _(which should be equivalent to Lich Form)

    Rampage has a different design approach than lich. Rampage has a ton of CC while lich has none. With the same logic you could demand that the warrior hammer should deal as much damage as the reaper greatsword. This would be the ultimate broken weapon.

    Lich is miles better than Rampage. 7k autos on 1200 range or slow kitten 3k punches at 130 range?

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @felix.2386 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    invalid because berserker is the worst class in pvp by miles and burn weaver destroy power spellbreaker on sidenode

    back to topic:
    the more rev i play, the more i realize such a failure of a class warrior is.
    literally.
    dev kept buffing full counter in hope of power warrior surviving as side noder, but instead warrior became anti fun support,
    it has the best support only for it lives the longest

    because it's not about survivbility, it's how warrior can't land damage properly.
    and dev still keep buffing passive sustain via cheese mechanics, instead of giving warrior better option to land damage so warrior can actually avoid damage by actively positioning, instead of just perma sticking to enemy and taking all the damage

    A simple trait in Defense giving barrier equal to % hp every time someone hits you, with ICD of 1 second for x second after using a healing skill or elite or burst or whatever
    in the place of the Ignore pain 300 cd( bonus points for being named the same ), so now warrior can stick to target while not being killed by random damage kitten puddles.

  • @Vancho.8750 nah there is a ways ezier thing you could also d to let the passive traitline made a comeback ... simply swtich "Rousing Resilience" with "Lesser Endurepain", so you would still have some condi remove (since you would then dont need to thing about using "Rousing Resilience" or "Cleansing Ire") plus some good Adrenalin from "Cleansing Ire" (It would also set Defence Berserker and core Warrior in a Ways better Spot).

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pati.2438 said:
    @Vancho.8750 nah there is a ways ezier thing you could also d to let the passive traitline made a comeback ... simply swtich "Rousing Resilience" with "Lesser Endurepain", so you would still have some condi remove (since you would then dont need to thing about using "Rousing Resilience" or "Cleansing Ire") plus some good Adrenalin from "Cleansing Ire" (It would also set Defence Berserker and core Warrior in a Ways better Spot).

    To tell you idk how to salvage the defense traitline the mid column is total garbage somehow the toughness to power trait is the best and it does only that, the mace trait didn't get the usefulness outside of mace and it isn't useful even if you wield a mace cause the bonus is garbage and a 300 cd trait.
    Maybe what you say could work for at least having one row of traits that work would be nice.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:

    @Mellow.7409 said:

    @Widmo.3186 said:
    The ele profession should become more of an ele and less of a support

    Ele is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage (besides LR, but it also got nerfed by 33% dmg), FGS isn't even close to being "Elite", Glyph of Elementals (which should be equivalent to Flesh Golem) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is anti-fun support build which isn't very ele-like if you ask me.

    Guess you haven't played Tempest nor Weaver.

    Guess you haven't played Berserker nor Spellbreaker.

    That's not a valid argument since both Tempest & Weaver are viable even in 1500+.

    So is warrior. Heck anyone with experience can take any synergistic build on any class to 1,500. If you cannot what you are lacking is skill not class balance.

    And yes, warrior needs a buffs in some areas, but is also needs nerfs in others.

    That is the whole point of this thread buddy.

    But that is not what your original post mentioned. In any case, yes, warrior does need damage buff for several weapons.

  • Warrior core Displine/Strength/Tactics
    Assissin trait work well. Your critical hits are 80% with a 200-240% damage rate. Plus anti condi and cc.
    Now you have to be smart and aggressive.

  • Swagg.9236Swagg.9236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mellow.7409 said:
    Warrior is so disgustingly underpowered and even more so since you removed our beloved crowd control damage, Signet of Rage isn't even close to being "Elite", Rampage (which should be equivalent to Lich Form) is a joke and doesn't even turn the tide of a battle in a 1 versus 1 situation. All that we have left of this profession is an anti-fun support build which isn't very warrior-like if you ask me.

    Warrior main mechanic should have been a combination of adrenaline and banners. At least with the latter, its presence could have consistently carry a unique field impact with maybe some unique movement abilities. Instead, you just spam smoothbrain barrier while block stalling and dodging around off cooldown.