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Necro, Mesmer and Thief need a nerf
They can solo the enemy party easy

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  • PvP posts should display the authors same in game badge to delineate what tier player is making this post

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DogMD.9182 said:
    PvP posts should display the authors same in game badge to delineate what tier player is making this post

    Would that just put fuel on the fire and assign players to unadjustable teir for everyone- even non moderators to judge?

  • I have a tough time buying mesmers and thieves successfully "soloing" a single player let a lone multiple.

    The Ravenwoods Thief - Simonne, Mesmer - Lucey, Warrior - Celeste, Ranger- Simon, Elementalist - Isabella, Guardian - Samantha, Necromancer - Electrik Blueberry, Engineer - MrFixit, Revenant - Melanie Malady

  • Avatar.3568Avatar.3568 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @camaradacpt.1280 said:
    Necro, Mesmer and Thief need a nerf
    They can solo the enemy party easy

    Where is your problem correctly? Maybe suggestions or recommendations from otherplayers can help you

  • memausz.7264memausz.7264 Member ✭✭✭

    Reduce burn stacks for sure. You should NOT be doing 50K in dmg in 10 seconds from ONE condition alone, especially not from one person.

  • nerf thief , nice joke. Thief is already dead class, only nerf thief needs is pistol / dagger , dagger/ pistol condition trash build

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Man, sPvP forums are becoming almost as bad as sPvP.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    yes please, nerf theeef!

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @memausz.7264 said:
    Reduce burn stacks for sure. You should NOT be doing 50K in dmg in 10 seconds from ONE condition alone, especially not from one person.

    without notice you even said your self that class drawback and weakness "one condition alone"

    honestly "burn alone" while being super strong is so easy to counter.. the fact that its just 1 condition allow you easy clean .. even sigil will just clean it..
    all you need to do is use anything that clean even 1 condition when you get the burning on you.. ofc if you wont clean it then rip..

    i think daredevil need a nerf for sure.. or more so.. stealth as system need a nerf.. theres too much stealth attack with 0 drawback.. stealth is so powerful it should be an emergency skill.. like omg omg im gonna die. "stealth" it should drain HP while in stealth not heal you or clean consider..s
    and i think every action should remove stealth.. for example when you stump someone you shouldnt be able to do it from stealth. or healing and all that..

    or... at the very least provide every class in game with a reliable reveal skill that you can use agaisnt stealth..
    for the insane mobility thief got .. and the freely stealth always .. to get out of 100% death situation and reposition your self.. thief got way too much burst !

    about necro.. meh.. only core condi necro .. and only the fear.. this class got too much fear that can lock single enemy in fear constnatly and the fear does too much damage scaling up by condition damage.. either limit their fear.. or atleast remove the fear damage from curse trait.. and replace it with a power based trait !

    i think mesmer is fine.. just stealth need rework as for all stealth classes

    the most op class at the moment in my opinion is actually Holo .. so much mobility good sustain and crazy burst.. Holo need a nerf ^^

  • memausz.7264memausz.7264 Member ✭✭✭

    @noiwk.2760 said:

    @memausz.7264 said:
    Reduce burn stacks for sure. You should NOT be doing 50K in dmg in 10 seconds from ONE condition alone, especially not from one person.

    without notice you even said your self that class drawback and weakness "one condition alone"

    honestly "burn alone" while being super strong is so easy to counter.. the fact that its just 1 condition allow you easy clean .. even sigil will just clean it..
    all you need to do is use anything that clean even 1 condition when you get the burning on you.. ofc if you wont clean it then rip..

    It's not easy to cleanse 4 applications of 4 stacks of burn, it isn't.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i only agree with the necro. It kinda needs a little nerf for the core shroud

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    i only agree with the necro. It kinda needs a little nerf for the core shroud

    pls dont say it like that.. because Anet who doesnt play their own game could udnerstood you wrong and just nerf shroud for core necro which sint the problem !
    its only condition necro.. power necro isnt great ..
    if you want to fix core necro you need to remove the fear damage trait from curse . and maybe replace it with power based trait
    or.. change carrion ammu ... to not offer 900 vit + 1200 condi .. make it 1200 power and 900/ 900 vit/condi

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @noiwk.2760 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    i only agree with the necro. It kinda needs a little nerf for the core shroud

    pls dont say it like that.. because Anet who doesnt play their own game could udnerstood you wrong and just nerf shroud for core necro which sint the problem !
    its only condition necro.. power necro isnt great ..
    if you want to fix core necro you need to remove the fear damage trait from curse . and maybe replace it with power based trait
    or.. change carrion ammu ... to not offer 900 vit + 1200 condi .. make it 1200 power and 900/ 900 vit/condi

    condi necro too strong, solution?
    nerf every single condition build
    lulW

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    They could further nerf the fear of death trait in pvp to +25% duration (currently it's +100 in pve and +50 in pvp). This would not affect any power necro/reaper build. But I doubt this is actually the problem here.

    I think core has seen enough nerfs. Esp. the life force generation has seen huge hits in pvp:

    • unholy martyr: 21% to 9%
    • fear of death: 15% to 7%
    • signet of undeath: traited: 6% to 2.66% (untraited: 4% to 2%)
    • shroud degeneration: increased from 3% to 4%

    Core shroud drains really fast in pvp and the spec is incredible immobile and easy to cc. Carapace is also not an issue anymore, I mean who seriously complains about +300 toughness at a 30 carapace stack (on carrion amulet 300 toughness is a ~15% damage reduction)?

    I would really like to see a player that struggles against core necro, to determine where the problem is. Personally I have zero issues killing it.

  • Kachros.4751Kachros.4751 Member ✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:
    nerf thief , nice joke. Thief is already dead class, only nerf thief needs is pistol / dagger , dagger/ pistol condition trash build

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

  • Styros.8931Styros.8931 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @Kachros.4751 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:
    nerf thief , nice joke. Thief is already dead class, only nerf thief needs is pistol / dagger , dagger/ pistol condition trash build

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

  • Kachros.4751Kachros.4751 Member ✭✭✭

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

    Genuine question, have you ever been in any version of pvp that isnt ranked? ATs, mAT, or the like? I play thief myself and can have more impact than most players due to its absurd mobility, damage and burst/CC. Its also the cornerstone of pretty much every good composition in pvp teams as it has been the past many years. You would not be able to find any "good" team that doesnt use thief. If they dont then its a simple throw :)

  • Kachros.4751Kachros.4751 Member ✭✭✭

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

    I would like to add, thief alone in ranked isnt good as you need a good duo partner to play with. Plus as the majority of pvp doesnt even know how to properly rotate people are unable to remotely get any value from thief but thats just due to a lack of skill. However thieves that have said skill can get more value than most others.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @noiwk.2760 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    i only agree with the necro. It kinda needs a little nerf for the core shroud

    pls dont say it like that.. because Anet who doesnt play their own game could udnerstood you wrong and just nerf shroud for core necro which sint the problem !
    its only condition necro.. power necro isnt great ..
    if you want to fix core necro you need to remove the fear damage trait from curse . and maybe replace it with power based trait
    or.. change carrion ammu ... to not offer 900 vit + 1200 condi .. make it 1200 power and 900/ 900 vit/condi

    its not the damage. Thats fine.

    The sustain through the core shroud is just ridiculous

  • Styros.8931Styros.8931 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @Kachros.4751 said:

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

    Genuine question, have you ever been in any version of pvp that isnt ranked? ATs, mAT, or the like? I play thief myself and can have more impact than most players due to its absurd mobility, damage and burst/CC. Its also the cornerstone of pretty much every good composition in pvp teams as it has been the past many years. You would not be able to find any "good" team that doesnt use thief. If they dont then its a simple throw :)

    imagine care about non ranked games, funny guy . I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

  • Kachros.4751Kachros.4751 Member ✭✭✭

    imagine care about non ranked games, funny guy . I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

    What? Ranked and Unranked arent all there is to pvp that means something, ATs show who has a better team/players, ranked is a circus of players with 0 idea how to rotate and understand their class much like you with thief. Im fairly certain if you fail to understand how strong thief is youre the same type of person as you just described :)

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Kachros.4751 said:

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

    Genuine question, have you ever been in any version of pvp that isnt ranked? ATs, mAT, or the like? I play thief myself and can have more impact than most players due to its absurd mobility, damage and burst/CC. Its also the cornerstone of pretty much every good composition in pvp teams as it has been the past many years. You would not be able to find any "good" team that doesnt use thief. If they dont then its a simple throw :)

    imagine care about non ranked games, funny guy . I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

    lol, Leagues balance is constantly being kitten over due to pro play. Almost every worlds fiora gets overbuffed cuz she is fun to watch top, then she gets 53% winrate in soloq and makes toplaners not want to play the game anymore. Or lucian buffs to make adc " spicy " that always ends up with lucian mid/top kitten on people.
    Or lee sin buffs, kaisa buffs. List goes on and on.

  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Kachros.4751 said:

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

    Genuine question, have you ever been in any version of pvp that isnt ranked? ATs, mAT, or the like? I play thief myself and can have more impact than most players due to its absurd mobility, damage and burst/CC. Its also the cornerstone of pretty much every good composition in pvp teams as it has been the past many years. You would not be able to find any "good" team that doesnt use thief. If they dont then its a simple throw :)

    imagine care about non ranked games, funny guy . I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

    lol, Leagues balance is constantly being kitten over due to pro play. Almost every worlds fiora gets overbuffed cuz she is fun to watch top, then she gets 53% winrate in soloq and makes toplaners not want to play the game anymore. Or lucian buffs to make adc " spicy " that always ends up with lucian mid/top kitten on people.
    Or lee sin buffs, kaisa buffs. List goes on and on.


    another guy with 0 clue, sry guys its cringe to read now

  • @Kachros.4751 said:

    imagine care about non ranked games, funny guy . I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

    What? Ranked and Unranked arent all there is to pvp that means something, ATs show who has a better team/players, ranked is a circus of players with 0 idea how to rotate and understand their class much like you with thief. Im fairly certain if you fail to understand how strong thief is youre the same type of person as you just described :)

    waiting screenshot with top classes and your rank 10 thief on eu/na . Really want to see how my (talker) pro sensei know how class and rotate work . If you don't drop, just don't type anything, cringe to read

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Kachros.4751 said:

    im sorry please tell me this is a joke like thief is one of the top 3 classes right now xd

    oh yeah, show me how many d/d d/s thiefs you see per game in ranked? Oh, 0. I can say even more, I see almost 0 any thiefs in ranked arena , ANY . And right now you better drop class rank stats instead of pointing to sky and say " thats thief "

    Genuine question, have you ever been in any version of pvp that isnt ranked? ATs, mAT, or the like? I play thief myself and can have more impact than most players due to its absurd mobility, damage and burst/CC. Its also the cornerstone of pretty much every good composition in pvp teams as it has been the past many years. You would not be able to find any "good" team that doesnt use thief. If they dont then its a simple throw :)

    imagine care about non ranked games, funny guy . I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

    lol, Leagues balance is constantly being kitten over due to pro play. Almost every worlds fiora gets overbuffed cuz she is fun to watch top, then she gets 53% winrate in soloq and makes toplaners not want to play the game anymore. Or lucian buffs to make adc " spicy " that always ends up with lucian mid/top kitten on people.
    Or lee sin buffs, kaisa buffs. List goes on and on.


    another guy with 0 clue, sry guys its cringe to read now

    and that proves what exactly? I said they overbuff her for worlds play, and you gave me preseason patch notes, when they kitten on balance with new items kekW
    if you ever saw what grandmaster/challenger fiora can do to people you wouldnt be posting this kitten

  • Kachros.4751Kachros.4751 Member ✭✭✭

    waiting screenshot with top classes and your rank 10 thief on eu/na . Really want to see how my (talker) pro sensei know how class and rotate work . If you don't drop, just don't type anything, cringe to read

    I dont record my gameplay however im on numerous streams of Tpot casting ATs, other thieves that are better than me (who you should watch if you want to see what a good thief can actually do) is Pain Yamashiro, Fly or sindrener for EU thieves (idk many NA ones) I wont lie i checked you out in pvp and noticed that youre currently in gold division and that tells me that you have never seen a good thief hence why you assume its weak (or possibly you just dont know how to play it yourself) If you cant accepts facts from a player who has played at high levels AS thief then its a waste of time to convince you otherwise.

  • Kachros.4751Kachros.4751 Member ✭✭✭

    waiting screenshot with top classes and your rank 10 thief on eu/na . Really want to see how my (talker) pro sensei know how class and rotate work . If you don't drop, just don't type anything, cringe to read

    Just adding, please dont put your opinion on balancing classes if you dont understand anything about it.

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Virdo.1540 said:

    @noiwk.2760 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    i only agree with the necro. It kinda needs a little nerf for the core shroud

    pls dont say it like that.. because Anet who doesnt play their own game could udnerstood you wrong and just nerf shroud for core necro which sint the problem !
    its only condition necro.. power necro isnt great ..
    if you want to fix core necro you need to remove the fear damage trait from curse . and maybe replace it with power based trait
    or.. change carrion ammu ... to not offer 900 vit + 1200 condi .. make it 1200 power and 900/ 900 vit/condi

    its not the damage. Thats fine.

    The sustain through the core shroud is just ridiculos

    well if that was the case then core power necro would've been just as good right?
    but it isnt ... core power is wayy behind..
    in my opinion its due to the long fear that condi has

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2020

    @noiwk.2760 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:

    @noiwk.2760 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:
    i only agree with the necro. It kinda needs a little nerf for the core shroud

    pls dont say it like that.. because Anet who doesnt play their own game could udnerstood you wrong and just nerf shroud for core necro which sint the problem !
    its only condition necro.. power necro isnt great ..
    if you want to fix core necro you need to remove the fear damage trait from curse . and maybe replace it with power based trait
    or.. change carrion ammu ... to not offer 900 vit + 1200 condi .. make it 1200 power and 900/ 900 vit/condi

    its not the damage. Thats fine.

    The sustain through the core shroud is just ridiculos

    well if that was the case then core power necro would've been just as good right?
    but it isnt ... core power is wayy behind..
    in my opinion its due to the long fear that condi has

    its not at all about fear. And core power necro does decent (ofc not as good as condi necro but nvm)
    its just the insane big life force pool + regen + life siphon, that didnt get nerfed properly

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:
    imagine care about non ranked games [...] I really want to see when in games like LoL devs gonna change balance around non ranked clowns who have 0 clue about how to play but they know how to cry

    So a player, that accidently clicks on the ranked button, instantly becomes a better player?

    Or is the ranked button greyed out for low skill players?

    Or is every bad player like "Nah, I suck. I do only play unranked. Ranked is only for the skilled people. I don't enter that mode"?

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 22, 2020

    The only long base duration fear core necro has access to is shroud3, which got a nerf in terms of a 0.75s cast time.

    When the necro uses that skill a BIG dark creature with a scythe pops up above his head. This is your hint to dodge that skill. It's btw. the only really impactful skill of core shroud as it is the setup for the other skills. So you can safe a dodge or interrupt for it. The exact same animation happens when a downed necro or a reaper uses its fear. So you just need to memorize one single very obvious animation for your necro encounters.

    I have to ask: ever heard of dodging critical skills? And what about the old rule "focus the necro first"? Core necro is a freekill, if you focus it at the beginning of the fight like it was a freekill in 2012. Just kill the necro first and then snowball. People in 2012 adapted to this. People today complain about one-trick-pony fear chains.

    To be fair: even most necros have no clue about that animation. It's pretty pathetic, when I can fear another necro trying to stomp me with that obvious animation. You can easily cancel the stomp, dodge the fear and continue stomping.

    Sry for the doublepost!