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Hanakocz.5697Hanakocz.5697 Member ✭✭
edited December 2, 2020 in Living World

Hello,

is it only me, or any new response mission was unlocked with this update? Why they even run the event when the Ebon Response mission is not playable?

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

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  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hanakocz.5697 said:
    Why they even run the event when the Ebon Response mission is not playable?

    Read the Achieve .. 4 events in Fields of Ruin for the participation.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There was no new content today.

    The next minimalist droplet is likely going to be in January.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.

    Those are not the Destroyers from Ember Bay. Primordus can no longer create new Destroyers that also harbor the dead Elder Dragons' abilities, because Aurene restored the balance (so no more crossover abilities).

  • wolfyrik.2017wolfyrik.2017 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.

    Those are not the Destroyers from Ember Bay. Primordus can no longer create new Destroyers that also harbor the dead Elder Dragons' abilities, because Aurene restored the balance (so no more crossover abilities).

    That doesn't seem to make sense either. Aurene had to eat the errant magic inside kralk, she didn't just cause it to no longer be there. She hasn't done the same to Jormag or Primordus. How did she take the power that we know Primordus, consumed? Did I miss something?

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

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  • Palador.2170Palador.2170 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @wolfyrik.2017 said:

    That doesn't seem to make sense either. Aurene had to eat the errant magic inside kralk, she didn't just cause it to no longer be there. She hasn't done the same to Jormag or Primordus. How did she take the power that we know Primordus, consumed? Did I miss something?

    I think we can handwave this as a side effect of Taimi's machine being used to drain magic from both Primordus and Jormag back when Balthazar was after them to gain more power. The power drained first was likely the more unfamiliar/alien magics from the other dragons. As they've rebuilt their power, it's been THEIR power and not the stolen/borrowed power they had before.

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  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Palador.2170 said:

    @wolfyrik.2017 said:

    That doesn't seem to make sense either. Aurene had to eat the errant magic inside kralk, she didn't just cause it to no longer be there. She hasn't done the same to Jormag or Primordus. How did she take the power that we know Primordus, consumed? Did I miss something?

    I think we can handwave this as a side effect of Taimi's machine being used to drain magic from both Primordus and Jormag back when Balthazar was after them to gain more power. The power drained first was likely the more unfamiliar/alien magics from the other dragons. As they've rebuilt their power, it's been THEIR power and not the stolen/borrowed power they had before.

    If you talk to him in the Eye of the North Councillor Phlunt posits that "Primordus' slumber may have allowed it time to process the foreign magic - or alter itself to accommodate it. We don't really know at this point."

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    wait Crecia is blood imperator? when was this mentioned?

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

    Well Bangar went AWOL, so Crecia took over, her title went from acting imperator to the actual imperator.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2020

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.

    Those are not the Destroyers from Ember Bay. Primordus can no longer create new Destroyers that also harbor the dead Elder Dragons' abilities, because Aurene restored the balance (so no more crossover abilities).

    This is true, these aren’t the Ember Bay and Draconis Mons destroyers, as most of that residual magic was from Zhaitan and Mordremoth.

    That being said Phlunt advises that Primordus may have learned to use the dead dragons powers more efficiently while it was asleep from the events of Season 3.

    “These destroyers seem to be free of Zhaitan's or Mordremoth's magic.
    An astute observation. Primordus' slumber may have allowed it time to process the foreign magic—or alter itself to accommodate it. We don't really know at this point.”

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2020

    @wolfyrik.2017 said:
    That doesn't seem to make sense either. Aurene had to eat the errant magic inside kralk, she didn't just cause it to no longer be there. She hasn't done the same to Jormag or Primordus. How did she take the power that we know Primordus, consumed? Did I miss something?

    To tell the truth, I have been asking myself the same question ever since I read that she had "restored balance" in one of the cutscenes or in some dialogue. That was after her ascension, I don't recall when exactly, sorry. I always assumed that, when she ascended, she somehow neutralized the foreign magic that she had gained access to through her grandfather when we stroke the final blow on him.

  • anninke.7469anninke.7469 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

    Well Bangar went AWOL, so Crecia took over, her title went from acting imperator to the actual imperator.

    The problem (as I see it) is that it happened sneakily off-screen whith no official announcement, no ceremony, no explanation. And no one, including Bangar when she calls herself the imperator right in his face, has a word to say about it. With her camped in the Eye I hoped we would be able to at least ask her about it. But no, she only offers more blabbering about Ryland...

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  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

    Well Bangar went AWOL, so Crecia took over, her title went from acting imperator to the actual imperator.

    The problem (as I see it) is that it happened sneakily off-screen whith no official announcement, no ceremony, no explanation. And no one, including Bangar when she calls herself the imperator right in his face, has a word to say about it. With her camped in the Eye I hoped we would be able to at least ask her about it. But no, she only offers more blabbering about Ryland...

    Rytlock has a line in the first story instance that said Crecia faced some opposition (off-screen) when claiming the title for herself, but that she dealt with the naysayers. Not sure what the exact quote is, but they do briefly address it early on in truce. We just don't hear the details, and we don't hear it from Crecia. Based on what we've seen in Truce, the devs likely do not have the time to give this plot thread the development it deserves.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

    Well Bangar went AWOL, so Crecia took over, her title went from acting imperator to the actual imperator.

    The problem (as I see it) is that it happened sneakily off-screen whith no official announcement, no ceremony, no explanation. And no one, including Bangar when she calls herself the imperator right in his face, has a word to say about it. With her camped in the Eye I hoped we would be able to at least ask her about it. But no, she only offers more blabbering about Ryland...

    My guess is because they were in the middle of a civil war, so it makes sense why it was so sudden and no ceremony. Just like if your boss just went AWOL and you were the second in command and got to take over due to chain of command.

  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

    Well Bangar went AWOL, so Crecia took over, her title went from acting imperator to the actual imperator.

    The problem (as I see it) is that it happened sneakily off-screen whith no official announcement, no ceremony, no explanation. And no one, including Bangar when she calls herself the imperator right in his face, has a word to say about it. With her camped in the Eye I hoped we would be able to at least ask her about it. But no, she only offers more blabbering about Ryland...

    My guess is because they were in the middle of a civil war, so it makes sense why it was so sudden and no ceremony. Just like if your boss just went AWOL and you were the second in command and got to take over due to chain of command.

    But he's not on AWOL. He's being held as prisoner by our merry band of Dragonwatchers. That's like imprisoning a leader of a country and purposefully replacing said leader with someone on our side. Whatever may happen to him, even at his current position, he's still alive and should still be the Imperator of the Blood Legion. You may say "but he's now one of Jormag's minions!" Then what about us and Aurene? What will the Blood Legion feel about that? Isn't the reason for the Civil War in the first place is because of us? This only solidifies Imperator Ruinbringer's actions.

    This storyline has gone bonkers. I just can't take it seriously anymore.

    Check out the fable of the Boiling Frog.

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @borgs.6103 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @anninke.7469 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    Everyone, except the on-the-way-to-be-redeemed boy Braham, being ok with suddenly siding with Jormag.
    The commander not murdering Ryland on the spot for being responsible that Jormag is awake.
    The business decision behind releasing such minimalist content, which obviously had no chance to be liked by most players.
    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    And Crecia being Blood Imperator just like that.

    Well Bangar went AWOL, so Crecia took over, her title went from acting imperator to the actual imperator.

    The problem (as I see it) is that it happened sneakily off-screen whith no official announcement, no ceremony, no explanation. And no one, including Bangar when she calls herself the imperator right in his face, has a word to say about it. With her camped in the Eye I hoped we would be able to at least ask her about it. But no, she only offers more blabbering about Ryland...

    My guess is because they were in the middle of a civil war, so it makes sense why it was so sudden and no ceremony. Just like if your boss just went AWOL and you were the second in command and got to take over due to chain of command.

    But he's not on AWOL. He's being held as prisoner by our merry band of Dragonwatchers. That's like imprisoning a leader of a country and purposefully replacing said leader with someone on our side. Whatever may happen to him, even at his current position, he's still alive and should still be the Imperator of the Blood Legion. You may say "but he's now one of Jormag's minions!" Then what about us and Aurene? What will the Blood Legion feel about that? Isn't the reason for the Civil War in the first place is because of us? This only solidifies Imperator Ruinbringer's actions.

    This storyline has gone bonkers. I just can't take it seriously anymore.

    If the president of a country is replaced then they're no longer the president of that country. If that leader was a traitor then they sure as hell shouldn't keep the title of president.

    Bangar didn't go AWOL. Bangar betrayed the Blood Legion when he left and formed the Dominion. When he abandoned the Blood Legion he lost any right to the title of Imperator and left a vacuum that Crecia filled. That was quite logical given that she was his second in command and didn't betray the legion.

    I mean you surely don't think that he, a traitor that incited mass mutiny from the legions, formed a new nation and caused a civil war that devastated the legions, should remain in charge of the Blood Legion just because he was in charge of it once? That makes absolutely no sense.

    I'm sure that most loyal Blood Legion charr (and quite a few Dominion members at this stage) would love his head on a pike over the death and destruction that he caused. They sure as hell don't want him back in charge.

  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    @Pifil.5193 said:
    If the president of a country is replaced then they're no longer the president of that country. If that leader was a traitor then they sure as hell shouldn't keep the title of president.

    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators. He's not a traitor as well. He's the leader of the Blood Legion. How can you be a traitor to your own leadership?

    Bangar didn't go AWOL. Bangar betrayed the Blood Legion when he left and formed the Dominion. When he abandoned the Blood Legion he lost any right to the title of Imperator and left a vacuum that Crecia filled. That was quite logical given that she was his second in command and didn't betray the legion.

    I mean you surely don't think that he, a traitor that incited mass mutiny from the legions, formed a new nation and caused a civil war that devastated the legions, should remain in charge of the Blood Legion just because he was in charge of it once? That makes absolutely no sense.

    I'm sure that most loyal Blood Legion charr (and quite a few Dominion members at this stage) would love his head on a pike over the death and destruction that he caused. They sure as hell don't want him back in charge.

    Again - Crecia doesn't have the Khan-Ur bloodline, so she can't be an Imperator, unless she just suddenly is. And you can't betray if you're the top dog. Who are you betraying? Bangar may be an absolute monster as a leader, but he's still the leader. Blood Legion owes their loyalty to their Imperator. Charr Legions were at war with each other before, This is nothing new. If anything, the non-Blood Legion Charr that joined him are the traitors. Him creating the Dominion and a lot of Charr joining only proves that he's got the charisma to lead.

    I'm with you with that it doesn't make sense Crecia suddenly becoming Imperator. It's like we just time-skipped some Charr politics and suddenly there's a non-Khan-Ur lineage Imperator and everyone's just fine with it. What a way to ruin an interesting lore tidbit for the Charr there.

    Check out the fable of the Boiling Frog.

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @borgs.6103 said:

    @Pifil.5193 said:
    If the president of a country is replaced then they're no longer the president of that country. If that leader was a traitor then they sure as hell shouldn't keep the title of president.

    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators. He's not a traitor as well. He's the leader of the Blood Legion. How can you be a traitor to your own leadership?

    I would say he was a traitor to the High Legions and to all charr. After all the Blood Legion is one of the High Legions Ash, Blood, Iron, (and Flame again now that they have been brought back into the fold) so I don't think they're a separate, soverign nation, just one part of the charr nation. He acted against all the charr when he decided to moff and wake Jormag.

    Bangar didn't go AWOL. Bangar betrayed the Blood Legion when he left and formed the Dominion. When he abandoned the Blood Legion he lost any right to the title of Imperator and left a vacuum that Crecia filled. That was quite logical given that she was his second in command and didn't betray the legion.

    I mean you surely don't think that he, a traitor that incited mass mutiny from the legions, formed a new nation and caused a civil war that devastated the legions, should remain in charge of the Blood Legion just because he was in charge of it once? That makes absolutely no sense.

    I'm sure that most loyal Blood Legion charr (and quite a few Dominion members at this stage) would love his head on a pike over the death and destruction that he caused. They sure as hell don't want him back in charge.

    Again - Crecia doesn't have the Khan-Ur bloodline, so she can't be an Imperator, unless she just suddenly is. And you can't betray if you're the top dog. Who are you betraying? Bangar may be an absolute monster as a leader, but he's still the leader. Blood Legion owes their loyalty to their Imperator. Charr Legions were at war with each other before, This is nothing new. If anything, the non-Blood Legion Charr that joined him are the traitors. Him creating the Dominion and a lot of Charr joining only proves that he's got the charisma to lead.

    No, he's been deposed, he's not the leader anymore, Crecia and presumably the other Blood Legion Tribunes stripped him of that. How that works in charr society I don't know, I'd imagine that in the past at least it's normally been quite brutal and quite quick but we don't have any information on that. I'm not familiar with charr politics but I know power vacuums will be filled quickly. However, the fact that Bangar is still alive definitely weakens any claim she has on the title of Blood Legion Imperator.

    I don't know about Crecia's bloodline but apparently she is Blood Legion Imperator now so she might well be part of the Khan-Ur bloodline, I wonder how rare that actually is? I mean, in Europe at least the royal houses tended to intermarry a lot but there are still a lot of distant claimants to every crown in europe. The charr don't have noble houses in that way and nor do they mate for life so I wonder what percentage of charr have at least some Khan-Ur blood from sometime back in the past thousand years or so? It may be that you can't throw a rock in the Black Citadel without hitting at least one possible heir of the Khan-Ur.

    I'm with you with that it doesn't make sense Crecia suddenly becoming Imperator. It's like we just time-skipped some Charr politics and suddenly there's a non-Khan-Ur lineage Imperator and everyone's just fine with it. What a way to ruin an interesting lore tidbit for the Charr there.

    Yeah, I don't like how they do this kind of stuff just "off camera" but this kind of hand-waving, rush-job is all too common from ArenaNet.

    It's also entirely possible that whoever made that decision had no idea of the need for an Imperator to have blood of the Khan-Ur but yeah, if she isn't of the bloodline of the Khan-Ur then she cannot possibly be the Khan-Ur so it's doubtful that she would be accepted as Imperator. I'm sure they'll conjure up a suitable birth certificate for her. ;)

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @borgs.6103 said:

    @Pifil.5193 said:
    If the president of a country is replaced then they're no longer the president of that country. If that leader was a traitor then they sure as hell shouldn't keep the title of president.

    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators. He's not a traitor as well. He's the leader of the Blood Legion. How can you be a traitor to your own leadership?

    Bangar didn't go AWOL. Bangar betrayed the Blood Legion when he left and formed the Dominion. When he abandoned the Blood Legion he lost any right to the title of Imperator and left a vacuum that Crecia filled. That was quite logical given that she was his second in command and didn't betray the legion.

    I mean you surely don't think that he, a traitor that incited mass mutiny from the legions, formed a new nation and caused a civil war that devastated the legions, should remain in charge of the Blood Legion just because he was in charge of it once? That makes absolutely no sense.

    I'm sure that most loyal Blood Legion charr (and quite a few Dominion members at this stage) would love his head on a pike over the death and destruction that he caused. They sure as hell don't want him back in charge.

    Again - Crecia doesn't have the Khan-Ur bloodline, so she can't be an Imperator, unless she just suddenly is. And you can't betray if you're the top dog. Who are you betraying? Bangar may be an absolute monster as a leader, but he's still the leader. Blood Legion owes their loyalty to their Imperator. Charr Legions were at war with each other before, This is nothing new. If anything, the non-Blood Legion Charr that joined him are the traitors. Him creating the Dominion and a lot of Charr joining only proves that he's got the charisma to lead.

    I'm with you with that it doesn't make sense Crecia suddenly becoming Imperator. It's like we just time-skipped some Charr politics and suddenly there's a non-Khan-Ur lineage Imperator and everyone's just fine with it. What a way to ruin an interesting lore tidbit for the Charr there.

    Were do you get the information that only the bloodlines can be imperators?

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Khan-Ur

    Only his bloodline can be khan-ur it says nothing about the imperators.
    Just that the first imperators are his children nothing about a rule of it always having to be like that.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @borgs.6103 said:

    @Pifil.5193 said:
    If the president of a country is replaced then they're no longer the president of that country. If that leader was a traitor then they sure as hell shouldn't keep the title of president.

    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators. He's not a traitor as well. He's the leader of the Blood Legion. How can you be a traitor to your own leadership?

    Bangar didn't go AWOL. Bangar betrayed the Blood Legion when he left and formed the Dominion. When he abandoned the Blood Legion he lost any right to the title of Imperator and left a vacuum that Crecia filled. That was quite logical given that she was his second in command and didn't betray the legion.

    I mean you surely don't think that he, a traitor that incited mass mutiny from the legions, formed a new nation and caused a civil war that devastated the legions, should remain in charge of the Blood Legion just because he was in charge of it once? That makes absolutely no sense.

    I'm sure that most loyal Blood Legion charr (and quite a few Dominion members at this stage) would love his head on a pike over the death and destruction that he caused. They sure as hell don't want him back in charge.

    Again - Crecia doesn't have the Khan-Ur bloodline, so she can't be an Imperator, unless she just suddenly is. And you can't betray if you're the top dog. Who are you betraying? Bangar may be an absolute monster as a leader, but he's still the leader. Blood Legion owes their loyalty to their Imperator. Charr Legions were at war with each other before, This is nothing new. If anything, the non-Blood Legion Charr that joined him are the traitors. Him creating the Dominion and a lot of Charr joining only proves that he's got the charisma to lead.

    I'm with you with that it doesn't make sense Crecia suddenly becoming Imperator. It's like we just time-skipped some Charr politics and suddenly there's a non-Khan-Ur lineage Imperator and everyone's just fine with it. What a way to ruin an interesting lore tidbit for the Charr there.

    Were do you get the information that only the bloodlines can be imperators?

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Khan-Ur

    Only his bloodline can be khan-ur it says nothing about the imperators.
    Just that the first imperators are his children nothing about a rule of it always having to be like that.

    The source was from here https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Ecology_of_the_Charr

    "The primus warband of any legion carries the name of that legion—Ash, Blood, Iron and in the case of the Gold Legion, Flame. This singular legion is hereditary, but the leader must claim the name through blood challenge—a fight between descendants of the Khan-Ur for supremacy within the legion.

    Occasionally, non-descendants of the Khan-Ur join the primus warband, taking the name of their leader as their own, as is Charr tradition. But the leader of the primus is always a descendant of the Khan-Ur, the foremost heir of the legion and their rightful inheritor of the crown of leadership among the Charr."

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  • deatine.2498deatine.2498 Member ✭✭✭

    In charr society, killing or simply defeating your superior in battle is a valid way to dispose of a leader, so the situation around Bangar is valid. He got defeated. He is not Imperator of the blood legion any longer.

    Crecia technically has no business being blood legion imperator, especially since she is originally flame legion of all things.
    But we have seen a few things so far that have not been done in any traditional way. Ruinbringer's name, for example, should've been something with "blood" in it.

    A lot of charr traditions are outdated by now, or have always been a ruse. The legion imperators claim to be descendants of the Khan-Ur, but it's not like they ever needed proof.

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @deatine.2498 said:
    In charr society, killing or simply defeating your superior in battle is a valid way to dispose of a leader, so the situation around Bangar is valid. He got defeated. He is not Imperator of the blood legion any longer.

    Crecia technically has no business being blood legion imperator, especially since she is originally flame legion of all things.
    But we have seen a few things so far that have not been done in any traditional way. Ruinbringer's name, for example, should've been something with "blood" in it.

    A lot of charr traditions are outdated by now, or have always been a ruse. The legion imperators claim to be descendants of the Khan-Ur, but it's not like they ever needed proof.

    Yeah, that is true, during the scuffle in Bangar's office Rytlock knocks him down and he says:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bad_Blood_(Bound_by_Blood)

    Bangar Ruinbringer: Go ahead. Be imperator. All you have to do is rip out my throat.
    Rytlock Brimstone: Don't want it. Don't want anything from you.

    Implies that's enough to become Imperator now, if you can take out the incumbent. Unless Rytlock also has Khan-Ur blood in him, maybe the fact that he had the ability to kill Bangar would be taken as sufficient proof that he has the blood of the Khan-Ur in him. I mean, I don't know what kind of records they keep.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    The way this is released, it doesn't make sense for the Ebon Vanguard to be here without the story and dragon response to be available.

    There is a number things in this episode that don't make sense.
    The new Destroyers being able to take damage from Burning.

    I hoped to kill them with water fields. ^^

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  • Perihen the Thawk.9527Perihen the Thawk.9527 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2020

    @borgs.6103 said:
    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators.

    Yeah, that's why every country on Earth is still a monarchy under the original bloodline of rulers.

    Oh wait.

    Things change, she just led the Legion through a civil war, this isn't that weird. Some Charr are surely grumbling about it, others aren't. The traditionalists were disproportionately already marching under Bangar anyway, so they're going to get less of a say now.

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2020

    Regarding the Destroyers, Jormag and Primordus had their magic completely drained and went to sleep. This means while sleeping they likely naturalised the magic from the other spectrums rather than it conflicting with their own, like Aurene.

    One of the NPCs even comments about this; so likely Jormag and Primodus don't suffer from torment, and the powers wielded by their minions are integrated into their base design rather than being tacked on after the fact, which is why the Destroyers are notably stronger than before. (They can be burned because it was unfair Core mobs are resistant to certain types of DPS.)

    As shown when fighting Jormag's Unstable Abomination, using those powers is a double-edged blade. The Destroyers in Ember Bay were also vulnerable to being Chilled, which would've made them instantly vaporised by most of Jormag's minions.

    It seems better to just naturalise it to their own form of magic and "do what they do best" instead.

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  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:

    @borgs.6103 said:
    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators.

    Yeah, that's why every country on Earth is still a monarchy under the original bloodline of rulers.

    Oh wait.

    Things change, she just led the Legion through a civil war, this isn't that weird. Some Charr are surely grumbling about it, others aren't. The traditionalists were disproportionately already marching under Bangar anyway, so they're going to get less of a say now.

    Sad. You don't get it. This isn't about real world. This is about lore. I'm all for whatever they do, heck, I wouldn't care if they put a human Imperator, but at least explain or show why because ever since the Charr has an established lore, it has been that way. And now suddenly it isn't, with no one even acknowledging this lore-breaking shenanigans.

    Well, whatever. This game has more pressing issues that its bastardization of lore and this is not the first time they retconned themselves anyways.

    Check out the fable of the Boiling Frog.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @borgs.6103 said:

    @Perihen the Thawk.9527 said:

    @borgs.6103 said:
    He's not replaced though... Only those with the bloodline of the first 4 of the Khan-Ur's children can be Imperators.

    Yeah, that's why every country on Earth is still a monarchy under the original bloodline of rulers.

    Oh wait.

    Things change, she just led the Legion through a civil war, this isn't that weird. Some Charr are surely grumbling about it, others aren't. The traditionalists were disproportionately already marching under Bangar anyway, so they're going to get less of a say now.

    Sad. You don't get it. This isn't about real world. This is about lore. I'm all for whatever they do, heck, I wouldn't care if they put a human Imperator, but at least explain or show why because ever since the Charr has an established lore, it has been that way. And now suddenly it isn't, with no one even acknowledging this lore-breaking shenanigans.

    Well, whatever. This game has more pressing issues that its bastardization of lore and this is not the first time they retconned themselves anyways.

    Maybe at this point, after a major Charr civil war, Crecia might become Khan Ur and allow Rytlock to become Blood Imperator. Crecia may have Khan Ur blood from flame’s side. Given how she led the United Legions and wants to unite the Charr and forget old hatreds, I suspect she will be a likely contender for the title.

  • @Fueki.4753 said:

    The Destroyers reverting back to being fire-only, rather than making use of the dead Elder Dragons' magic.

    There is a small dialog about that in EotN

  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kossage.9072 said:
    Interestingly if we select Crecia once she appears as an NPC around the EotN war table after "Primordus Rising" story step, she has the title Acting Blood Legion Imperator. I could've sworn she was just called Blood Imperator when "Champions" first released and the title was subtly changed since, but I didn't have any screenshots of her title from that time. What I've seen is that her title's been changing between Blood Legion Imperator, Imperator of Blood Legion, and Acting Blood Legion Imperator. I hope the devs have chosen a title that sticks for now rather than moving between these variants depending on what instance she appears in.

    As for the legitimacy as imperator, it's hard to say for sure if that old blog post's lore about imperators needing to be direct Khan-Ur descendants and having Blood, Ash etc. in their name was ever considered to be canonical even though it was written from an authoritative standpoint. Ever since the narrative team comment "All lore is malleable" from Season1/2 days on the old forums, players have had to reevaluate dev statements during blog posts, interviews, videos, guild chats etc. During Jeff Grubb and Ree Soesbee's tenure lore consistency ruled but as they gradually distanced themselves and let others take the lead during Season 1 time and beyond, the rules of what should and shouldn't be considered canon became more flexible. Basically since those days, the golden rule by devs has been that what's in the game overrules any other statements made elsewhere if there are contradictions, so in-game canon overrules interview/guild chat canon as the devs might be misremembering lore during such segments etc. This is fair, though, considering how vast Tyrian lore, so I wouldn't be surprised if the charr blog post's suggested ideas underwent changes over the years.

    With that said, I do like that Crecia is now listed as Acting Blood Legion Imperator, which means her title isn't final and there's still the issue of who succeeds Bangar. While Crecia was the primus inter pares among the tribunes due to essentially being Bangar's right paw, her Flame Legion heritage may be a hindrance to her ascension. As we've seen with there being human haters in the allied Iron Legion, there's no doubt that the surviving Blood Legion members would have to consider their stance about Crecia's ascendancy and if they'd want someone with Flame heritage ruling Blood, especially if Cre can't prove being a descendant of the Khan-Ur (assuming that this rule was ever valid to begin with).

    However, looking at charr politics and how they operate, Julia Nardin did specifically state the charr legions being like the four Mongol hordes during the Toluid Civil War period and beyond: the sons of the Khan divided their father's empire into for autonomous khanates, each with a different ruler descended from the Khan. The culture and ideologies of the four legions are fundamentally different to this day, and each imperator is said to have their own city-stronghold from which they rule even though we've only visited two of them so far (Black Citadel, and Citadel of Flame...Frost Citadel is kind of an outlier due to circumstance). Another example for this charr nations' collaboration could be like the Iroquois League in its early decades: not quite a confederation yet but still the different factions/tribes are tied together enough to work together for a common goal while retaining their respective hierarchies. The legions and the imperators are collaborating and have even signed treaties to ensure cooperation, but that doesn't mean Iron has any say in Blood matters or vice versa regardless of what their imperators think (although there still is that unresolved mystery of whether Bangar or Smodur was the true mastermind behind Rytlock's demotion, arrest and tribunal in Season 3; if Smodur had had the authority to do such a thing to a Blood officer, Bangar could've declared war against him, and in Season 2 there was never any indication that Smodur and Rytlock had bad blood so that forced demotion and arrest, and Rytlock's reluctance to return to the citadel, felt off unless he was aware that Bangar was behind it all somehow).

    While Bangar should've been bound by the treaty of non-aggression, he was still a legitimate imperator when he and his loyalist followers went rogue and when he deceived the rest of the legions (even though he claims he always spoke the truth despite funding Renegades behind everyone's back all along). The only "traitors" in this instance would be defectors from the other legions who joined his Dominion, while Crecia and her followers were the rebels who decided to rise up against their rightful imperator.

    The question thus becomes what happens to imprisoned imperators in charr society. Historically charr have been shown to slay anyone who's shown weakness (see e.g. Pyre Fierceshot executing a Flame shaman who was begging for his life), so there probably weren't many high-profile prisoners of war...at least not for long. Bangar being kept alive raises the question if he should still be considered the de facto imperator despite being beaten (technically he only lost the battle in the Frost Citadel because Jormag "subverted" his expectations when he had already incapacitated the Commander's team), or if there's some unknown charr law that allows him to be stripped from his title and claim now. We still don't know what the rest of the Stone Warband, and whatever other tribunes that remain besides Rytlock and Fierhan Sparwind think about these developments. Fierhan was suggested to be an old school charr loyal to Blood but presumably he's still alive in the Citadel; is he going to support Crecia or deny her right to ascend while referring to her Flame roots? It's possible that the rest of the Blood tribunes died during the civil war, leaving their primus centurions to ascend as new tribunes, but sadly we have little to no information about what's going on with the charr beyond a few teases in dialogue here and there.

    Regarding other would-be imperators, the game seems to suggest that Efram and Mia Kindleshot may be ascending as the new Flame and Iron Imperators. If the Khan-Ur descendant rule still applies, however, both of them would have to prove their legitimacy. Maybe Efram could be a descendant from a lesser bloodline (possibly even being related to Gaheron himself) while Mia might be revealed as Smodur's daughter. Still, there would be other claimants contesting them for their thrones. We still don't know if Crecia's evil shaman sire lives and if he leads some Flame faction not affiliated with Dominion, but there would be shamans or tribunes who would never accept Efram as the de facto imperator, especially when Efram only leads a splinter group of peace seekers that was significantly weakened by mass defections to Dominion.

    Lorewise Mia would be opposed by the popular Iron tribune Fume Brighteye who despises humans. Fume would no doubt have significant support as she's among the three most popular Iron tribunes, and we've seen in Drizzlewood ambient dialogue that several allied Iron charr openly mock and threaten their human allies, so the poison Smodur mentioned still runs deep in the legions. Maybe Fume could champion the idea that future imperators no longer need to be related to Khan-Ur and should rise at their own merits so Fume could use that clause to her benefit in case she has no way of proving her Khan-Ur bloodline. She could be using the likely popular state funerals (by pyre if charr still burn their dead) of Almorra and Smodur as a public political stage to rally mourning and vengeful charr (and maybe even some Vigil?) behind her with populist speech about bringing the murderer Ryland to justice for the two charr heroes' deaths and demanding Bangar to be released from Aurene's custody or else. Fume might also separate her politics from Bangar's Dominion by claiming that she only has beef with humans while being ok with having peaceful relations with asura, norn and sylvari so she wouldn't be alienating everyone with her hatemongering.

    As for the Khan-Ur candidates if there ever will be some, we know from Ghosts of Ascalon novel that the candidate has to earn support from all the legions, wield the Claw, potentially be related to Khan-Ur, and succeed at a specific military type of feat. The Flame Legion attempted this with finally taking over Ascalon City before the Foefire ruined the imperator's plans. Currently the only charr who has achieved truly great things (besides Smodur and Malice working for the peace treaty) would be Rytlock who's helped bring down three Elder Dragons, a deposed god, and a lich king. No matter what the other imperators do, they would never match Rytlock's feats. However, Rytlock isn't considered a typical charr anymore as he's fallen from his glory days by interacting too much with the other races, and he wouldn't want the position anyway even if he got unanimous support.

    As for Rytlock's other legitimacy concerns, it's curious how there's been lengthy history between him, Crecia and Bangar ever since the fahrar. Why would Bangar care for a random future tribune like Rytlock as to watch his progress from cubhood, so much so that Rytlock's speech post-confrontation in "Bad Blood" even implied that his relationship with Bangar may have not always been so sour at least in the early fahrar years. I wouldn't be surprised if Rytlock was revealed as Bangar's son, which would explain Bangar's abnormal obsession over him living up to the charr ideals and even being willing to let Rytlock kill him to prove a point. We've seen how obsessed Bangar is about his song Ajax after all these years, so it'd make sense for Bangar to harbor similar feelings for his "black sheep" son Rytlock if that's the case.

    The only true heir of the Khan-Ur left at this stage (if not counting the imprisoned Bangar) would be Malice. She has already played her cards right by making the three would-be imperators indebted to her: she helped Crecia with imperator business and showed her support for Cre, she accepted Efram's Flame into the United Legions and encouraged him with half-hearted comments, and she would no doubt be able to manipulate Mia from Iron too by revealing that she was the true force behind the Ebonhawke Treaty and not Smodur. With all her imperator rivals either dead or imprisoned with the other legions' leaders being indebted to her for her leadership, Malice just needs to acquire the Claw from Black Citadel, win the other legions over to accept her leadership, and perform a great enough feat to prove her worth. Perhaps slaying Jormag and/or Primordus would give her that authority if she actually desires the position of Khan-Ur. I could easily see Malice preferring to play the role of grey eminence as a shadowy power behind the throne while acting out the ostensible role of advisor/vizier, however, and install some gullible fool as a puppet Khan-Ur.

    It's been interesting that the Commander's lines in the aftermath of "A Simple Negotiation" had them question Malice not mourning Smodur's death. The dialogue was eerily similar to when the Commander began worrying about Smodur's ambitions in "A Race to Arms," so I wonder if this is one last red herring to make players distrust Malice until she proves yet again that she's no threat to us, or if this is actual foreshadowing that Malice can finally set her plans in motion now that all her rivals are gone. It was said to be rather suspicious how quickly Ryland located the camp to assassinate Smodur although Malice quickly brushed accusations aside by pointing out that finding the cave would've been inevitable. If the writers ever revealed Jormag having been behind Smodur's surprisingly disrespectful actions (him dissing the Commander and Rytlock, and executing a helpless prisoner during negotiations), it wouldn't be impossible for Jormag to also manipulate Malice's ambitions as well without Malice initially realizing it. So far Malice, apart from holding information from us and sending double agents without telling anyone, has shown herself to be worth her reputation as a seemingly honorable leader, but I can't help but wonder if we'll also see bits of a broken pedestal in her after the other three imperators have been dealt with.

    While the story of the charr seems to suggest, as per Crecia's dialogue, that the charr need a strong leader to unite them right now and that we may see a new Khan-Ur rise eventually, I wonder if the whole Khan-Ur stuff might be subverted and actually have the charr abolish it, and possibly the imperator titles, in the end if Malice's ambitions for the throne turn out to be just as dangerous as the other imperators'. Maybe the charr could smelt the Claw to destroy this priceless artifact and then declare that the charr should no longer follow the whims of bloodlines but build their own reputation with their strength and cunning. Maybe we could see the charr embracing the Roman Republic that preceded the Roman Empire: the charr senate could consist of tribunes and/or elected representatives from all charr social circles, including social pariahs like scrappers, gladia, and plebeians so every voice in the republic (from the downtrodden to the highly respected) can be heard in a mostly democratic fashion. Make these terms as senators temporary so there's a balance of power in check while each legion has more than one representative in this senate-council (to prevent another imperator wannabe from rising), and the charr might finally be able to move the legion rivalry behind and focus on using their respective strengths to their advantage to truly advance their society. :)

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  • Grand Marshal.4098Grand Marshal.4098 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020

    Since we are talking about the charr let me just say how utterly dissapointed I am with how Smodur's death was handled. Not even a bit of info about what happens with the Iron Legion after the seemingly unimpactful death of by far the most prominent Imperator in our story! Not to mention that Charr characters live in the Black Citadel the HQ of the Iron Legion and Smodur has always been our Imperator in command (despite Legion loyalty)!!!!

    The story team puts effort, but they still screw it up with explaining the actual consequences of our/the characters' actiosn in the story, unless an Elder Dragon who "WilL DesTrOy THe WorLD".

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    it's so sad to read that
    on guild wars 1, they were so interesting to fight and they had lots of different designs ..
    arena really made them look ridiculous with boring fights.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @radda.8920 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    it's so sad to read that
    on guild wars 1, they were so interesting to fight and they had lots of different designs ..
    arena really made them look ridiculous with boring fights.

    Maybe they will let you design new destroyers

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    it's so sad to read that
    on guild wars 1, they were so interesting to fight and they had lots of different designs ..
    arena really made them look ridiculous with boring fights.

    Maybe they will let you design new destroyers

    Just put back all those in gw1 and it would be fine.
    The mobs with the best design with margonites
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @radda.8920 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    it's so sad to read that
    on guild wars 1, they were so interesting to fight and they had lots of different designs ..
    arena really made them look ridiculous with boring fights.

    Maybe they will let you design new destroyers

    Just put back all those in gw1 and it would be fine.
    The mobs with the best design with margonites
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    Maybe it’s not the end of Primordus...

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    it's so sad to read that
    on guild wars 1, they were so interesting to fight and they had lots of different designs ..
    arena really made them look ridiculous with boring fights.

    Maybe they will let you design new destroyers

    Just put back all those in gw1 and it would be fine.
    The mobs with the best design with margonites
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    Maybe it’s not the end of Primordus...

    cantha expansion= end of dragons
    water dragon logo = buble
    so yes jormag and primordius will be dead soon ^^

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @radda.8920 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    destroyers are by far the most boring enemies,,

    it's so sad to read that
    on guild wars 1, they were so interesting to fight and they had lots of different designs ..
    arena really made them look ridiculous with boring fights.

    Maybe they will let you design new destroyers

    Just put back all those in gw1 and it would be fine.
    The mobs with the best design with margonites
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    Maybe it’s not the end of Primordus...

    cantha expansion= end of dragons
    water dragon logo = buble
    so yes jormag and primordius will be dead soon ^^

    Ya never know...

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @radda.8920 said:
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    We have at least four designs:
    the harpies
    the crabs
    the trolls
    and whatever the Destroyer of Worlds in one of Sorrow's Embrace's paths is supposed to resemble

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    While I miss the old Destroyers as well, there only were ten of them, because they were based on the professions.
    In GW2, monsters don't have professions, so Arenanet most likely shaved a mountain of workload and just reskinned four types of enemies, instead of programming new enemies with new skeletons and unique ways of fighting.

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2020

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    While I miss the old Destroyers as well, there only were ten of them, because they were based on the professions.
    In GW2, monsters don't have professions, so Arenanet most likely shaved a mountain of workload and just reskinned four types of enemies, instead of programming new enemies with new skeletons and unique ways of fighting.

    really a shame, it's very frustrating for a gw1 player and it's very repetitive to see the same 3 models for 6 months ...

    however I understand, arena never creates new models for living story
    that's why primordius deserved an extension for himself, to have an army at his height

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @radda.8920 said:
    really a shame, it's very frustrating for a gw1 player and it's very repetitive to see the same 3 models for 6 months ...

    I thought it was fine for the core game to feature only four models of destroyers, since they already were so rare.
    In Ember Baby it was passable due the new attachments.
    In Draconis Mons they were the least of my worries.
    And DRMs hardly have any replay value and the tokens are better earned otherwise, so there isn't really a focus on them either.

    Arenanet never had their focus on destroyers, so I gave the four models passes.
    I/we can only hope Arenanet will design more, once Destroyers become the real focus for once.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    We have at least four designs:
    the harpies
    the crabs
    the trolls
    and whatever the Destroyer of Worlds in one of Sorrow's Embrace's paths is supposed to resemble

    Also missing the Wyverns, and I suppose you could count the stone summit now

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    really a shame, it's very frustrating for a gw1 player and it's very repetitive to see the same 3 models for 6 months ...

    I thought it was fine for the core game to feature only four models of destroyers, since they already were so rare.
    In Ember Baby it was passable due the new attachments.
    In Draconis Mons they were the least of my worries.
    And DRMs hardly have any replay value and the tokens are better earned otherwise, so there isn't really a focus on them either.

    Arenanet never had their focus on destroyers, so I gave the four models passes.
    I/we can only hope Arenanet will design more, once Destroyers become the real focus for once.

    This is the reason, I don’t think we are done with Primordus. When we were in LS2, we had what at first four models of Mordrem, then another 3 or 4 when the story progressed. Once HoT hit we were sprawling in Mordrem designs as well as the Mordrem Guard.

    I think we will see the same for when we actually battle Primordus in the depths.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    We have at least four designs:
    the harpies
    the crabs
    the trolls
    and whatever the Destroyer of Worlds in one of Sorrow's Embrace's paths is supposed to resemble

    Also missing the Wyverns, and I suppose you could count the stone summit now

    The Stone Summit are not destroyers, so we can't count them.
    As for the Wyverns in Draconis Mons, I remember them being regular Wyverns, but I haven't done them in years.

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    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    Finish the primordius story with 3 destroyers design, it's really sad. He deserves far better...

    We have at least four designs:
    the harpies
    the crabs
    the trolls
    and whatever the Destroyer of Worlds in one of Sorrow's Embrace's paths is supposed to resemble

    Also missing the Wyverns, and I suppose you could count the stone summit now

    The Stone Summit are not destroyers, so we can't count them.
    As for the Wyverns in Draconis Mons, I remember them being regular Wyverns, but I haven't done them in years.

    Not proper destroyers, no, but minions of Primordus just the same.

    Also yeah, they are destroyer Wyvern.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Legendary_Destroyer_Aestus#/media/File:Destroyer_Wyvern.jpg