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People botting in WvW
Xisgun.3687
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Since a week ago, I've been seeing a lot of dragonbrand users mostly, using BOTS. Teleporting between sentries or to get closer to the rival to apply their combos, I have also noticed the use of macros and scripts in these combos.
Most of these bot use classes such as. Scourge minionmaster and scraper flame tower. I've also seen soulbeast boom power.
Anyway, the problem is not that they are difficult to kill, the real problem is their mobility on the map. It makes it difficult to upgrade fortresses and towers, and it is ruining the gaming experience.
We really need an answer for this.
Users don't let this post die, we need Anet to advertise for this.
From already thank you very much.
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well, i saw also a Blackgate Warrior in EBG that has stealth. and 4 engineers in McLain's Camp in Red BL.
We've had farm bots on Deso appearing now and again, who run into the cliff behind the portals at our spawn on Red BL.
https://twitch.tv/crimson13neon/
Deso lost 8-9 guilds to stacked servers in 2020, but still full due to afkers.
Good WvW players/pugs exist on other Servers, just that you rarely hear or see them, other than on the same stacked Servers every relink.
https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010187753-Reporting-a-Player-or-Guild
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
All that is done. this post is my last chance.
The Warrior in EBG with Stealth, is it in SMC?
He could be using Cloaking Waters.
If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.
Just gotta wait. Forum posts for this won't expedite results.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stealth
Warrior
Engineer
...I'm kinda thinking you aren't too familiar with the game, or newer to wvw, is that a correct assumption?
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
No you dont get it. He saw 4 engineers in McLains. Four. Thats statistically impossible outside a zerg. You never see 4 engineers at once like that!!! If there was 4 engineers there, they where clearly hacking.
gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
A disorderly group of Asura.
"The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"
The warrior i fought 1v1 is in the Panglos Camp and we are dueling alone, then when he is about to die he stealth and i saw him on the bridge. and no i didn't lag. he vanished again came back to me like a thief. and no we dont have anyone with us.
Those 4 engineers have no guild, no food, no utilities, they took a camp in mclain, ride the mount and gone, on an instant theyre on the sentry. i was on the middle of sentry and mclain watching them. and it happened three times because i took the camp and the said sentry twice.
Snow Leopard (norn race elite skill) can apply stealth to any class and is extremely mobile.
There's been a lot of it lately, watch noody's vid it even has some guy teleport up a tree (lol)
This isn't to say what you are saying isn't true, but here's an example of the Norn elite snow leopard being used which could explain it as an alternative?
At the time I didn't notice this so it was unexpected (about 10-15s in is where you see the ele, and then it change). However, I have had warriors use it occasionally in the past - both to escape and to attack.
Could this explain what you've seen?
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Become_the_Snow_Leopard
(using 5 then maybe 4, so prowl then maybe dash to run in your case. In this case I think 5 for stealth then straight out of the form to channel + teleport the churning earth that hits for 12k - giving a very sizeable stealth opener. They've obviously practiced this a fair amount and enjoy it).
Maybe a sign of the apocalypse?
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
Hello sir, the Warrior im fighting is an Asura, and i know the utilities he used and he is a shoutbreaker with GS + A/A. It took me awhile to realized what has happened because I used to main warrior and im a warrior only class (until 3 weeks ago i switch to ranger) but i didn't get how he do that, we are on panglos 1v1, then when he is about 10% he VANISHED (i lost my target) and after 2 sec i saw him on the bridge near sentry then he seems to blink again(he vanished) and I thought somebody else was attacking me but he is that Asuran Warrior. No one is with us during that time.
The only possible way im thinking is he Logged Out and Logged In, but thats too fast for that.
The apocalypse is 6 engineers at once, we're safe.
As to the above, sounds like he was using the 25% stealth runes, used every leap he had followed by porting OOC.
gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
A disorderly group of Asura.
"The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"
Just yesterday i had one of those in my party, but i guess unless they do any sort of hacking is very difficult to separate bots from real bad players.
Luckily the soulbeast bots are pretty bad, because there is not combo wombo that can works and keep them alive.
Still this is not good, WvW has very limited spaces and those bots are stealing the limited spots from actual players.
Can't be infiltration runes though, those were changed back in nov 2k18 to give vigor entering stealth instead of stealth at 20% hp
I don't know about whether specific players are botting or not, but I did see a number of engineers in the previous matchup that were clearly teleport hacking. This replaces the burn guard who was teleport hacking (but far more obviously) in even earlier matchups.
They would die and come back almost instantly. They actually wouldn't always directly teleport into a camp, but they would come back from the wrong direction and way too quickly not to be hacking.
For example, in NWC in Alpine BL (home BL for me) I killed this engi and a short time later he came from the north side of the map (first went to NWT Sentry and then came to camp. This was within 1 or 2 minutes after I'd just killed him (again this was my BL so he shouldn't have been able to come from the north that quickly).
Pretty sure on those days when he was running (probably a bot) I killed him and his clones (two other engine running same build and sometimes appearing with him) 20-30 times. Not good, clearly hacking, but easy kills at least.
Northern Shiverpeaks (NSP)
Deadeye (Thief)
Commandant of P/D and Apex Predator
since we're at this yet, does engi have any option to make himself "invulnerable" at downstate? i looked but i found none. played scrapper and holo for some time, but i never saw this before.
we had a scrapper yesterday at SM, who would just go for 3seconds or more invuln (actually, till his buddyzerg came). in downed state, at 38% health. no rune or skilltrait i know of any glass gives that. he even got the blue [Determined] marker, similar to that u get at spawn.
coulda use a hack to set his location to spawn or so? i cannot tell if anyone reported it, was on a glass character and got ganked after try to bomb is last few health away lol. also still not sure if that was legit, i think not.
That does sound just like someone teleporting around alright. They do exist, someone put a video of (was it a condi rev) in SM doing it when in down state so could safely self res and then teleport back to fight.
Should probably try to separate between botting and hacking.
Over the lag like 5 years or whatever I've been playing, I have seen 1 proper bot. Found it like a month ago, it even beats some players....
Also found a mesmer using an interrupt bot for mantra of distraction, was kinda funny to see.
Seen actual haxkinf like twice, one guy just flew around in the air pewpewing, still somehow died. The other one just teleported across the map at incredible speeds, no idea what it's goal was tho.
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People cheat. Human nature. Report in-game and email support with specifics. Forums won’t help in these cases. Anet doesn’t want this stuff posted on the forums.
https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010187753-Reporting-a-Player-or-Guild
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reporting
“Exploits are misuses of bugs or features in a way that allows players to gain an unfair gameplay advantage over other players. Hacking refers to using altered game clients or third-party programs for such purposes. This includes misuses that allow a player to generate in-game benefits without the risk or time expected by the game's designers. Exploiting and hacking are serious violations of the Rules of Conduct.
Information regarding exploits or hacks should not be posted or advertised in a public location, including the Guild Wars 2 forums. Doing so is a violation of the Rules of Conduct. Instead, the following channels should be used to report exploits:
Players found to be exploiting should be reported using the in-game Player Conduct Report tool. While exploiting, cheating, and hacking are not available reasons in the tool, the Support Team has indicated that "Botting" is the correct choice to use.
For general reports, use the in-game Bug Report tool, which can be accessed by typing /bug into chat or by opening the game menu and selecting "Support". This will send the information to QA.
You can also submit a Support Ticket; select the dropdown options for "Game Support" and "Report an In-Game Bug".
There is an option to "submit your ticket anonymously" for additional privacy. This option does not require you to log into your ArenaNet account.”
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
Hello Again, so you mean to tell me that i should have reported it via email? because i reported him in the in game right click, report -> botting, i thought this would work.
And when i suspect some of my ally is cheating specially in roaming when the speed is too much or instant blink to sentry from camp, i then say "Hi" and if he ignores/dont reply i insta report bot.
Greetings! Well, that’s up to you! Obviously if you have a bunch of detailed information to pass on then use the email reporting. If not, then just report as botting in-game as you did.
Regardless of which way you report, the devs said they don’t want players to post on the forums about this stuff. Just report in the ways they are asking for and that’s it.
Have a great one!
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
@Swagger.1459 yeah but i was really not sure, i didn't touch my engi for some months. used to play it in our guild raids often, too much memories. therefore forgot what it can do, and i cannot report someone if i wasn't sure about it. hope someone did report, bc i really cannot remember who it has been. i run simple icons and minimal models for performance, therefore i don't see names unless i klick the char specifically.
dont expect much or anything to be done about hacking and botting abuses especially if it is WvW
sad but eh it is what it is
I dont think you should have posted that video considering all the controversy and censoring surrounding WP.
This Does NOTHING.
WP, is one of the best things GW2 has, the community in the guilds and discord are great, and that posted video is the context that was missing.
Are ppl using scourge minion build as bots in WvW?
I got this 1 guy to chase me off a cliff to his death and then 2nd time made him run after me into murder gate npc who slaughtered him.
Some kind of scepter minion build where they start off with dumping tons of condi.
Encountered a mesmer in my server hill's alpine bl. Moments before, the enemies were ramming the inner gate, but we used ewp and dealt with them before they went in.
Then a mesmer popped into the lord room, left a portal, jumped out of the keep, never did we see him drop the portal and suddenly 30 enemies were at lord...
Im still trying to figure out how. Prior to the initial attack we kept the objective for 2 hours. No one breached it and you tell me that the lord and the outskirts of the keep are only 5k distance away???
Ofc this is more of a 'hack' issue than botting, but since this thread is about stuff that shouldnt happen in wvw, I mentioned it.
It's probbaly one of the most common I have seen, WvW and sPvP. It's a very carry heavy build, it's tanky, does good dmg, has minions as meat shields etc etc. When you fight them, they almost always just face tank everything and often follow the same path and become predictable. This last weekend I farmed the same one for hours on our home BL, map rotation and run path were always the same, even though I killed them every time, they never tried to evade me, got dismounted in the same location every time etc etc. The annoying part is it's still super effective, as it does this non-stopped, so it almost always has all the south camps capped and will often take north camps if you are busy. It's hard to keep up with something that never takes a break.
There is one more that uses porting, it doesn't even travel, it uses a hack to port straight into the camp, someone else posted a video of someone using this same hack on DBL where it was porting to shrines, right in front of the player, who would kill them, and then it would WP and port back in very short order, making it very obvious.
That is not to say other builds/classes are not used for this, however for a bot/NPC content build, it's hard to beat because it will probably never die to a camp on it's own.
"When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore
Most bots I run into are guardians or engineers. They tend to have pretty decent damage potential but simple rotations and predictable in their actions.
Warning signs include:
1. Suddenly pathing back to the same point when you are in stealth.
2. Pathing the exact same route repeatedly.
3. Performing high damage combos extremely consistently while sticking very closely to you at all times (very robotic in your face gameplay choices, they never kite).
Many bots are also hacking:
1. Speed hacks in combat (jerky teleporting)
2. Movement hacks (teleporting into objectives or nearby to objectives). A few are smarter and usually teleport out of sight of objectives and then travel normally to the objective, but you see them returning to objectives faster than legitimately possible and from the wrong direction (coming from the direction of your spawn not theirs).
The good news is that most bots aren't that dangerous and the ones that use hacking are doubly annoying but doubly worse at playing.
Northern Shiverpeaks (NSP)
Deadeye (Thief)
Commandant of P/D and Apex Predator
My server, Gunnar's Hold, has a notorious bot player, a core ranger that always run on foot around, Rachel Cage. The pathing AI it uses is so clever. Avoids RI camps, knows by API when something is available or about to, because we see it change direction radically. It uses the same rotation pattern when engaging or getting engaged into combat. And it makes it hilarious to see real player getting downed to that bot.
Sounds like he's doing better WvW than many players.
gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
A disorderly group of Asura.
"The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"
One the bot users must be brain dead people too me they're cheating in game its not fair for new player or old player a like this need to be fixed!!!! Okay I'm taking a online course; design programmer a refresher its been awhile like 30 years.
Interesting. I've seen that character when we were linked to gunnar's. It's not obvious that this is a bot. Looks just like a bad player if you don't pay too much attention to it.
If this is how far botting has come, then it outshines quite a few real players in terms of "skill".
Npc scouts place a smoke field which can be utilized as combo field by players, granting stealth access to pretty much any class - something to keep in mind when fighting someone inside their own camp/near guards.
People bot in all gw2 game modes, prob 25% of over all playerbase are bots at this point. Anet probably doesn't want them removed at this point.
please read my succedding comments, and there are videos already of it in youtube.
The bots have been in gold league pvp for a while now.
Fully half the pvp population gets beat by an entirely scripted and predictable rotation. -_-
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