maddoctor.2738 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Mirages come from stealth and bam you got loads of conditions that nearly insta-kill you.Can someone explain to me how this Mirage condi bomb works so I can avoid it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khenzy.9348 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 You get condi bombed, or in better words, confusion bombed when they land shatters on you with traits such as Illusionary Retribution, Blinding Dissipation and Ineptitude. With additional confusion stacks if they land their ambush skills with the trait Riddle of the Sand. You can get like ~18 stacks of confusion almost instantly or several confusion stacks back to back. It's a little too oppressive right now.How can you avoid it? Dodge shatters or ambush skills. Stealth? Preemtively dodge. Or bait their shatters and proceed to cleanse. It's significantly harder than it sounds, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 stealth is badly designed and need to be removed completely from the game including from all classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 i don't think it's the shatters that get you but the daze spam from mirage thrust that interrupts you while stacking condi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddoctor.2738 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 The thing is it's not only confusion but lots of other conditions as well and since it comes from stealth it's hard to react to.And yes the daze spam that prevents you from cleansing is also an important factor. So if they pull it off, you are essentially dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelada.2947 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 yeah i got 1 shooted the other day by a mesmer same way , no indicators on what to avoid just 1 shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 @maddoctor.2738 said:The thing is it's not only confusion but lots of other conditions as well and since it comes from stealth it's hard to react to.And yes the daze spam that prevents you from cleansing is also an important factor. So if they pull it off, you are essentially dead.You're probably also getting hit with torment from shatters, bleeds from mirage traits and burning from torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartarus.1082 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Typically the mirage condi burst builds are gonna be running illusion and dueling. The main traits that supply the burst potential are ineptitude when paired with blind on shatter, the torch trait for burn stacks, and torment on shatter.Overall the delivery typically involves using prestige(torch stealth) and phantasm skill into jaunt followed by f1 and f2. Another typicall combo is prestige, sword ambush in stealth, and jaunt with shatter right after impact. The best way to avoid is realize the the prestige is about 3 seconds between activation and the explosion, and ideally the mesmer wants to time the combo so the explosion synchs with additional skills.Therefore, try to dodge or block accordingly in a more preemptive manner. However the mirage may also try to use decoy and then prestige within that stealth duration to throw off the opponent and deliver the burst. So note if purple flames appear on activation, if not the burst will likely occur within the range of 4-6 seconds.Also all of the condi burst is blockable and has a lot of moving parts so channeled blocks or invulns if necessary can be helpful if well timed, using this guideline. I hope this helps some and gl vs mirage.(I'm a Mesmer main so if you want to talk more about the mechanics of the burst feel free to pm me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exciton.8942 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 @michelada.2947 said:yeah i got 1 shooted the other day by a mesmer same way , no indicators on what to avoid just 1 shotIt is actually much like thief burst. The moment he is close to you, you need to be prepared for burst. Every mirage burst requires being in melee range. You will see a lot of dive in and out style from mirage. You want to kite mirage like you kite a thief.The actually burst comes from F1 F2 shatter, jaunt and torch 4. So the burst skills mostly have ~20sec CD. That should be a long enough time for you to refresh CDs. There will be some filler attacks with F1, jaunt and sword1 interrupt.For torch 4 stealth burst, always count 2-3 seconds be ready to dodge/ invul. The burst from torch 4 always comes exactly 3 seconds after the stealth, doesn't matter if mirage comes out of stealth earlier or not. The burn from torch is actually the mostly deadly attack from condition mirage, not confusion, so be sure to avoid it.If you get hit by a 10+ confusion burst, do not use skills anymore, not even autoattack. You want to disengage, get your condition cleanse and re-engage later. Confusion does much less damage if you don't use skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The 2 main condis from a Mirage are Confusion and torment. They have a small burn application but nothing major. Because they dont have a wide assortment of DoT condis, it makes it a bit easier to clear. You just need to time your cleanses so it cleans these 2 main condis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiki.9310 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I can apply 15 stacks of confusion with every dodge and scepter clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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