Condi Weaver or FB?

I have been enjoying both my condi (Trailblazer) Weaver and FB since I returned to the game about a month ago. I understand that both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just out of curiosity, which one does more damage?

Thanks!

Realistically you will do much more damage with firebrand. Condi Weaver is very hard to play which means you won't be able to pull up the good numbers in a real game situation (which are higher than firebrand's numbers). Firebrand also ahs many support and self support capabilities. I would choose firebrand for sure, there is a reason you don't see many condi weavers out there while condi weaver is somewhere in the top on golem benchmarks.

Condi FB is both easier to play and more useful in general because mantra of solace has 12s base cooldown and it has a decent power burst. Due to most of the damage being from burning (~70%) rather than half burning and some other from bleeding (typically condi weaver or tempest ~50% burning and ~20% bleeding , similar to condi berserker or condi holo) or other conditions and power damage, balthazar runes or firebrand runes + smoldering sigil (CQB / Condi Quickness) are used.In fractals you're also able to swap weapons if you can't melee something due to Social Awkwardness or some other instabilities. Condi FB also has strong power burst which is also why it is used in fractals.

I have played both equally in the past week doing similar activities. I feel that FB can burst down with more stacks of burning quicker. Weaver takes a bit more time to ramp up the stacks of burning/bleeding.

Whereas I found that Weaver a bit more survivable where I can always stay in melee range without much major issues.

The rotation of FB is so much simpler to the point of almost non-existence. But Weaver is really not that complicated either - it flows once you get started.

FB can double up for support; Weaver has to switch to Tempest.

I am still deciding which one I want to focus on more...

the answer is irrelevantyou will get class x does more dps then class ybut since you don't use arc dps (to even see your own results) and you are not using an efficient build either (trailblazer lol)

just play with what you have fun

Heh, I accidentally read the title as 'Condi weaver vs. Facebook?' Hands down its the condi weaver; Facebook has very, very low DPS. :p

Personally, I like the Condi Weaver. It's true, she does less dps than most, but here sustain is unreal. I don't do max damage, but I sure res a lot of players who do. As an aside, I've actually had players criticize my weak build as I'm resurrecting them.

@melandru.3876 said:the answer is irrelevantyou will get class x does more dps then class ybut since you don't use arc dps (to even see your own results) and you are not using an efficient build either (trailblazer lol)

just play with what you have fun

Except weaver needs to have critical hits to do additional burning.Guardian on the other hand can run without critical hits (due to Burning Precision's reliance on critical for weavers), which is why we have burn guards in WVW and PVP with Dire/Carrion.

@Infusion.7149 said:

@"melandru.3876" said:the answer is irrelevantyou will get class x does more dps then class ybut since you don't use arc dps (to even see your own results) and you are not using an efficient build either (trailblazer lol)

just play with what you have fun

superior sigil of earth is still used because it's the highest dps option out of all the sigils.reducing crit does not only reduce your power dmg (that is still quite a bit for fb since axe has good power coef) but also on bleeds from proccing sigil of earth.taking a look at current bench. 7.2k dmg out of 32.7k(solo bench) comes from power dmg. that's quite a bit that you are willin gto "ignore" for zero reasons

if you'd join as a trailblazer weaver/guard in my group, you'd get the boot since no one i know is willing to try to beat you in the good 'ol toughness race.unless you wanna tank, then go for it!

burn guards in pvp are a joke, at best in silver and low gold. in actual high play traps get kited and the burn guard/dh gets poked from range where it loses every encounter or is forced to use f1 active. if it does, then it loses the majority of it's dmg allready.

burn guard in wvw is different since food, utility and runes are different there. but still the same applies. guards are food for thiefd then since thief in wvw is miles superior then thief in pvp

Condi quickness FB does not use earth "bleeding" sigil nor does bleeding make a significant portion of the damage for full on condi FB (<6%).Burning is 70-75% of condi FB damage in PVE. Because the damage is primarily one condition you can afford to use smoldering sigil and balthazar runes , unlike on weaver.

Also core guards are a thing and those do not use traps.

Your first claim is that guardian loses 7K / ~32K but the weaver loses even more because of the burn on crit factor and the fact that over 25% of its damage is power.

Also thieves aren't popular in WVW for a reason. If someone is running trailblazer on firebrand you are basically going to hit them for the same as if they are on minstrel.

Your entire claim boils down to "trailblazer is bad" (for PVE) , which isn't the question asked. :/

@"Infusion.7149" said:Condi quickness FB does not use earth "bleeding" sigil nor does bleeding make a significant portion of the damage for full on condi FB (<6%).Burning is 70-75% of condi FB damage in PVE. Because the damage is primarily one condition you can afford to use smoldering sigil and balthazar runes , unlike on weaver.

Also core guards are a thing and those do not use traps.

Your first claim is that guardian loses 7K / ~32K but the weaver loses even more because of the burn on crit factor and the fact that over 25% of its damage is power.

Also thieves aren't popular in WVW for a reason. If someone is running trailblazer on firebrand you are basically going to hit them for the same as if they are on minstrel.

Your entire claim boils down to "trailblazer is bad" (for PVE) , which isn't the question asked. :/

this is about condi firebrand no? why you bring in condi quickbrand is unknown to meunless you somehow think it makes sense to compare a support build do a dps build on a question that is literally "which does the most dmg"if the support build would defeat an actual dps build, in terms of dps would it still be a support build in the first place?

thieves are not popular in wvw, not sure where you are from but clearly not europe. every roamer and his brother is a thief. every duelist and his brother is a thief. every ganker and his brother is a thief.since the mirage nerfs, the only class with higher burst then thief got erased.the only build with more sustain then a properly played thief (boonbeast) got gutted.the only brawler builds that was just great at everything got gutted with the cc nerf (holo and spellbreaker)

thiefs are all that is left.

@melandru.3876 said:

@"Infusion.7149" said:Condi quickness FB does not use earth "bleeding" sigil

nor does bleeding make a significant portion of the damage for full on condi FB (<6%).

Burning is 70-75% of condi FB damage in PVE

. Because the damage is primarily one condition you can afford to use smoldering sigil and balthazar runes , unlike on weaver.

Also core guards are a thing and those do

not

use traps.

Your first claim is that guardian loses 7K / ~32K but the weaver loses even more because of the burn

on crit

factor and the fact that over 25% of its damage is power.

Also thieves aren't popular in WVW for a reason. If someone is running trailblazer on firebrand you are basically going to hit them for the same as if they are on minstrel.

Your entire claim boils down to "trailblazer is bad" (for PVE) , which isn't the question asked. :/

1. If the damage difference between Condi QB and Condi FB was massive people would not run it. The fact is the major differences are the rune and the sigil; your argument was that bleeding forms a portion of the damage when it is minor in both scenarios (as in what you quoted that you clearly didn't read). StM Chrono does high damage and so does banner berserker or Condi RR renegade yet those are classified as support builds. This isn't opinion , it's fact. Also in an isolated situation (as in not golem benchmarks) without additional critical chance (whether from Spotter, banners, potions, etc) and external sources of quickness, it is readily apparent firebrand would do more damage.

2. Unless you define WvW as "roaming" on a dead EU server, thieves generally aren't relevant in the grand scheme of things. Also as in what you quoted, the burst of thief on a full minstrel or trailblazer geared character is massively reduced by at least 40% or more.

3. Traits that are nerfed for Holo and spellbreaker in PVP didn't carry over to WVW (some examples: Holo Leap , grenades in general, or Warrior's Cunning), but that is completely offtopic.