48 000 Burn Damage In 3 Seconds

I am having so much fun!..

Guardian is perfectly balanced! Ahhh! How dare you say anything about guardians!? Ahhhh me angry now!

Just dodge the burn! /s

Just use a cleanse when recieving the full stack of burns of course and it all goes away, of course those stack will be reapplied in secs but just use another cleanse as every class has infinite cleanses on low CD's, must be a l2p issue so just get gud :)

le me guess, you stood still for 3s, did nothing and got downed, then your downed body got filled with burning and finished you off, and despite taking 30k burining into downed body and in actuality taking ~ 15k of actual burning you deem it noteworthy.

So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

meanwhile confusion xd

You took 30 hits of burn, but continue your lying

snoow.1694 Well if he would lying ... fire as a condition ticks faster than normal ones its about 5x faster ticks xd

It looks like a good 40-60% of PvP playerbase plays guards nowadays (core and DHs). It's not like they've suddenly become more enjoyable to play through some kind of mechanics rework, which didn't happen btw, but clearly this is the case of them being incredible easy for the power that they have.

Now, before some neanderthal here says it's l2p issue and that the higher you get the less of them you see, which is true, I must remind you that no game, either competetive or PvE, should be balanced around top 100 players and the way they play, because sooner or later we will end up with the entire PvP population shrinking to that number if this continues to be. This has to change, people are tired of seeing guards every match and those that aren't are most likely playing one themselves.

Personally, as a warrior main, I do really good against them, but they are the only class that requires me this level of baiting and dancing around their traps that it is really annoying to fight against. I prefer to fight any other class, even those that I'm at severe disadvantage against, than burnguards and spirit burn DHs, because of the amount of precaution it takes to fight them. I wish it was just as easy as using "shake it off" in the right moment like some here say.

@Pati.2438 said:snoow.1694 Well if he would lying ... fire as a condition ticks faster than normal ones its about 5x faster ticks xd

That isn't true. Don't post stuff that isn't true, and don't post if you're not sure.

I play guard, not burn guard, but at the same time power isn't viable, traps are useless, bow is useless, the only damage i have is auto attacks.greatsword is a pve weapon you can kite, the only trap with damage is used for pve raids, the burns are stupid strong if you stand in it, and i usually do because why not.cancer builds aren't the problem, cancer balance is, pve/raid builds wouldn't be viable if pvp builds were viableI've swapped to engi for now because you can spam 4-5 turrets with reflects, 2 reflects on shield, party healing, 4-5 cc's, even has more health than guard.

This thread is a good summation of what the playerbase in this mode has become.

People try to facetank shit and then charge to the forums to whine about it.

I think this thread should be stickied as a PSA on how not to play.

@Dadnir.5038 said:So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

... what? Ok apparently not everyone knows how condis work in death recap. When it says 32 hits, that doesnt mean 32 ticks of damage. Thats means he took damage from 32 stacks of burn in total. If you were to get 100 stacks of burning applied to you, downing you in one tick, and finishing you off in another tick, that wouldnt show as 2 hits. It would show as 200 hits. So no, its actually 15600 damage per second-ish.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Same mistake as above. He took an average of 45635 instead. Thats more than the entire lifetotal of a full tank warrior. Significantly more, actually.

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

Same mistake once more. In reality, no power build can maintain 15k dps over 3 seconds. Im not sure any can even reach 30k burst in 2 seconds.

@UNOwen.7132 said:Same mistake once more. In reality, no power build can maintain 15k dps over 3 seconds. Im not sure any can even reach 30k burst in 2 seconds.

Spite reaper go brr

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Dadnir.5038 said:So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

For that to make sense, each stack of burn would do 1520 damage per tick (48690/32 = 1520).

There is no build possible in PvP that can make a single burn stack tick for that much. Not even 1/3rd of that amount.

Anyone looking at the Death Breakdown for serious analysis is never going to learn anything useful. It's buggy asf.

If we assume he really did take that much damage over 3 seconds, that must mean he had 30+ burn stacks on him. To reach that, a DH has to hit you 90, yes, NINETY, times. How are you managing to get hit 90 times in such a short window? And if a power build hit you 90 times, would you expect to still be alive?

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@"Dadnir.5038" said:So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

I think you might have to consider that you're wrong here. Why would the report even work like that? It doesn't make sense at all.The report never give you the number of stacks you had on you. It's called "hits" for a good reason. It doesn't either give you the duration of the fight. No report will give you the "potential damage" of a maximum number of condition stack. It would be like having the report give you the potential damage of power skills as if your opponent was in a light armor without any damage reduction: nonsense.

@"Mellow.7409" said:I am having so much fun!..

Classic example of a bad player being farmed by a burn guard, who presses S to go backwards when they see an enemy approaching them. Imagine getting hit by 32 hits of grenade barrage, I wonder what would do more.

@Dadnir.5038 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Dadnir.5038 said:So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

I dont have to consider it, because I know thats how it works. Why would the report work like that? Because it makes more sense. Each stack does its own damage, its just combined for simplicity. Each stack does a hit per second. So thats just how its shown. But if you want to know how I know, have you ever been killed by a power Holo, and noticed that in the death log, you had 5, 6, all the way up to 8 hits of burning? If it worked the way you think it works, that wouldnt make any sense. Holo doesnt put burning for 8 seconds on you. It barely uses burning at all, since its a power build. Except, there is one ability that has incidental burning. Photon Blitz. Every single of the 8 hits of Photon Blitz applies burning. And very usefully for our purposes, they each last 1 second. If it worked the way you assumed it worked, then a full photon blitz burning would show up as 1, maybe 2 hits. But it shows up as up to 8.

@"UNOwen.7132" you are doing this thing where you assume you are right again

@Ragnar.4257 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Dadnir.5038 said:So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

True, the damage seems a bit off, though not by as much as you seem to imply. Burn guard can get up to 500+ damage per burn tick.

If we assume he really did take that much damage over 3 seconds, that must mean he had 30+ burn stacks on him. To reach that, a DH has to hit you 90, yes, NINETY, times. How are you managing to get hit 90 times in such a short window? And if a power build hit you 90 times, would you expect to still be alive?

Uh, no? Did you forget that Guardians virtue passive isnt the only source of burning? I mean, hell, even ignoring the spirit weapon, or any of the other burn skills, its also a lot of multihitting abilities that hit for very little individually.

@Leonidrex.5649 said:@"UNOwen.7132" you are doing this thing where you assume you are right again

Yes, how dare I assume that the thing I tested and confirmed is true ... is true. What, are you also telling this to the scientists who confirmed that theropods have feathers? Its called the scientific method mate. But then again, seems youre still hung up about being duped and tripling down even after being shown that you were duped.

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:@UNOwen.7132 you are doing this thing where you assume you are right again

https://imgur.com/gallery/8XRgX6sthis is 2 stacks of burning and 4 stacks of bleedingawaiting apology

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:@UNOwen.7132 you are doing this thing where you assume you are right again

Wait, you show a screenshot confirming what I said, and you assume it ... denies what I said? Count the burning ticks. Thats 8 ticks. Now according to you, that means 8 hits. Instead it shows 24 hits. Is it possible you miscounted the burning stacks, which were 3, and got hit for 3 burning 8 times. Like, idk, 3*8=24? Funny how things do be lining up. Likewise, bleeding shows 20 hits over 4 ticks. Once again, if we assume you miscounted and it was 5 bleeding stacks, that would give us 4*5=20. Once again, it oddly lines up perfectly.

@Dadnir.5038 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Dadnir.5038 said:So... It's screenshot reading time:Burn: 48690 damage; 32 hitsTranslated, it mean that you took 32 hits of burn which mean that the 48k were applied over 32 seconds for an average burn damage of 1521.5 damage per seconds.

It also mean that technically, over those 3 seconds you claim were enough to down you, you took an average of 4563.5 damage which may be close to half your total health pool if you are an thief, guardian or elementalist without any ressource investment into vitality. (Obviously those number are as unrealistic as your own because they do not take into account possible burn burst, like your's does not take into account the simple fact that you took those 48k over 32 hits but it does have the merit to put things into perspective).

Cheer up, over the same time frame, you could have taken the same amount of power damage from any AA in game.

Oh and in case you want something like this in video form,

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:@UNOwen.7132 you are doing this thing where you assume you are right again

my bad, I read through your first post where you explained it poorly.https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rocket_Kick -> its 2 burningwhat I want you to realize is that death recap is shit that doesnt show the full story, and combat log is what actually matters