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I played at the start of the covid pandemic, and after a really hard time got my Engineer to 80. I started working on map completion and used the hero points I got to unlock and learn Holo. I started playing again a few days ago and decided to instead go scrapper. That was a huge mistake unfortunately. My engineer is now extremely underpowered that I have finally gotten to the expansions/living world. It is really hard to kill things, and I die very easily, even with Dire equipment.

To be honest, if there isnt a way to fix this, my alternatives to is delete the character or stop playing again. I hope you can give me a possible solution on how to reset the hero points I have spent somehow.

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  • look for a hero point train, they always help you to gather the 200 hp in the different expansions.
    Try to look for a good build and get the equipment from dungeons or the TP. Exotic gear is enough to begin with

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Look for HP trains, or go to WvW, join a Zerg and run with them for a while. You can then buy Hero points from the Heroics Notary vendor in there. WvW method is slower, but more chill if you're in a public zerg.

  • BunjiKugashira.9754BunjiKugashira.9754 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The bad news is that you can't reset hero points. The good news is that there are more than enough hero points to fully unlock both holosmith and scrapper on your engineer. As the others have said, there are sometimes hero point trains that take you to the various hero points, especially in HoT where the hero point challenges are designed to be completed by a group and not by a single individual. There aren't that many hero point trains in PoF because the hero points are much easier to solo.

    The being said: If you feel your engineer is too weak right now (due to only having half a trait line) I recommend playing as a core engineer until you have all the necessary traits for a full holo or scrapper build.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    How exactly is the alternatives to delete the character or stop playing? You have more character slots. Make another one, another race, another proffession and play the game from a different angle!

    Aside from what above has said (100% an elite at once, until then run core), I'm gonna be honest with you - dire condi engineer aint gonna become much better in PvE no matter what you do. It is lethargic in terms of damage with no advantage to its name. Scrapper has no condi builds (Anet deleted that option when they "improved" how barrier worked) and holo is either power or power/condi.

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  • Moradorin.6217Moradorin.6217 Member ✭✭✭

    @Local is Lekker.2970 said:
    I played at the start of the covid pandemic, and after a really hard time got my Engineer to 80. I started working on map completion and used the hero points I got to unlock and learn Holo. I started playing again a few days ago and decided to instead go scrapper. That was a huge mistake unfortunately. My engineer is now extremely underpowered that I have finally gotten to the expansions/living world. It is really hard to kill things, and I die very easily, even with Dire equipment.

    To be honest, if there isnt a way to fix this, my alternatives to is delete the character or stop playing again. I hope you can give me a possible solution on how to reset the hero points I have spent somehow.

    The situation isn't nearly as bad as you are imagining. You have many rather simple options.

    You can make due with scrapper and find a commander doing a Hero Point train, you can shout in each map and group with others also working on HPs(almost always a few people doing hps in each map 24/7).

    You can get a set of Nika's armor for about 3-5g (entire set) its Medium Berserker with Infiltrator runes. It would give you gear for power build options.

    You can camp your engi and try another class or two.

    You sound like you may benefit from joining a friendly guild. Many are happy to help people figure these kinds of things out and maybe even help with gear and such. No reason to give up. Just give the game a chance. HPs, MPs, gear, etc are much less of an issue in the long run than I think you are imagining. GW2 is rather flexible but some times people have pervious experiences with other games that make them falsely think situations like this are much more serious than they are.

  • avexysv.9314avexysv.9314 Member ✭✭
    edited January 3, 2021

    as the other just said, join a HP train. or u can just earn HPs in PoF maps cause its soloable.

    or just create another character with different class. engi isnt newbie friendly imo. so go with a class thats easier. like guardian, ranger, or necro.

    i dont think deleting ur character or stop playing is ur answer. u can try so many things in this game. take it easy and slow, enjoy every step. the game isnt only about class.

  • TheAgedGnome.7520TheAgedGnome.7520 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2021

    @Local is Lekker.2970 said:
    I played at the start of the covid pandemic, and after a really hard time got my Engineer to 80. I started working on map completion and used the hero points I got to unlock and learn Holo. I started playing again a few days ago and decided to instead go scrapper. That was a huge mistake unfortunately. My engineer is now extremely underpowered that I have finally gotten to the expansions/living world. It is really hard to kill things, and I die very easily, even with Dire equipment.

    To be honest, if there isnt a way to fix this, my alternatives to is delete the character or stop playing again. I hope you can give me a possible solution on how to reset the hero points I have spent somehow.

    1. Yes, you can recover. :)
    2. Heart of Thorns is made for group play, so soloing it can be quite difficult until you get comfortable with your build and good gear setup (exotic is fine).
    3. Do just enough in Verdant Brink to get your basic Gliding mastery.
    4. Look in LFG in Verdant Brink for an "HP train". These are essentially guided tours of Verdant Brink > Auric Basin > Tangled Depths to get you enough HP points from Heart of Thorns for your Scrapper spec. They require at least basic Gliding mastery.
    5. Scrapper is strong; look into a power-based build for Scrapper:
      • (Marauder can be hard to get, so you can start off with a mix of Knight, Berzerker and Cavalier, adjusting for close to 50% crit chance while getting some toughness and vitality in the mix.)
    6. Path of Fire HP trains will start in LFG in Crystal Oasis. They usually require basic Raptor, so start PoF story and do enough to get the Raptor.
    7. PoF mobs and HPs are much easier to solo than HoT, although some HPs can be quite difficult, so the HP trains are definitely nice.
  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Bottom line is, it's impossible to mess up in this game to the point where you have to delete a character. I don't think anyone has ever done it.
    There's enough HPs to unlock everything and gear is cheap. You don't even need an elite spec to progress, you can switch back to core if you don't like holo, then get HPs and unlock scrapper.

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Bottom line is, it's impossible to mess up in this game to the point where you have to delete a character. I don't think anyone has ever done it.
    There's enough HPs to unlock everything and gear is cheap. You don't even need an elite spec to progress, you can switch back to core if you don't like holo, then get HPs and unlock scrapper.

    The bolded part is one of the few things GW2 does way, way better than any comparable title. Like others have said, if you like engineer, keep the one you have - there are more than enough skill points out there to max out both holo and scrapper.

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes, you can easily recover. There are more than enough HPs in the world to unlock both elite specs and have many many leftover.

    Also maybe Scrapper elite spec is not the problem but the way you are playing it.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Look for HP trains, or go to WvW, join a Zerg and run with them for a while. You can then buy Hero points from the Heroics Notary vendor in there. WvW method is slower, but more chill if you're in a public zerg.

    ^^ This is pretty fast. Might not be as fast as a HoT HP train, but perhaps you learn to like your scrapper while zerging :) Pretty good at tagging enemies I guess...

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What I used to do is go to a map where I had unfinished HP's then spoke out in map chat. "I am about to do some of the hero points on this map anyone wanna join?" Most times I would get 2 or 3 which is more than enough to complete most of them. There are a few that you will need a bit more help or have players around that are playing at a high skill level. If you have a apple tag or regular tag even better. You can announce in map chat when you are about to start an encounter. Most times people close by will just tag along for the kill.

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    What I used to do is go to a map where I had unfinished HP's then spoke out in map chat. "I am about to do some of the hero points on this map anyone wanna join?" Most times I would get 2 or 3 which is more than enough to complete most of them. There are a few that you will need a bit more help or have players around that are playing at a high skill level. If you have a apple tag or regular tag even better. You can announce in map chat when you are about to start an encounter. Most times people close by will just tag along for the kill.

    This has been my experience as well.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    HP train.

    Look out for LFG recruitment messages for those.
    Or ask guildies for help.
    Or ask map chat for help.

    Usually like minded players on fresh characters will join in no problem.

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    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • Mauzi.5892Mauzi.5892 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't know man... HP trains are not really the answer. My first experience was horrible.
    Hot maps were new to me. I had no waypoints, no mounts and only basic gliding. I couldn't keep up and it was just stressful.
    Of course now with full map completion and skyscale and the knowledge I aquired, it's no problem at all. Sadly I don't even bother doing them anymore and when I do map completion, I can usually solo all HPs.

    What I'm saying is, yes, HP trains ARE an option, but considering his current level in the game maybe not the best one.
    As others have said, WvW is very good. Especially if you are still low ranked, since you get the first few ranks very fast.

    What I did, when I needed Hero Points for my elite spec was going around all Hot and PoF maps and just doing the ones you have to channel. You only need 25 of them, since every HP gives you 10 points.

    For what it's worth: I just did HoT map completion and almost all HPs solo with my scrapper. Not underpowered and you certainly don't die very fast, at all.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mauzi.5892 said:
    For what it's worth: I just did HoT map completion and almost all HPs solo with my scrapper. Not underpowered and you certainly don't die very fast, at all.

    Keyword there being "scrapper", which if it is a power build is much better equipped to fight HoT mobs compared to a dire core engineer.

    Even if your experience with HP trains has been horrible, that's the answer for PvE if the mobs - especially the HP mobs, for obvious reasons - is giving problems.

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  • Lucio.4190Lucio.4190 Member ✭✭✭

    I remember that I was worried about the same thing, what if I place them on wrong skills?
    I had at least 90 points before I started to use them, after I learned that there's enough points and they are easily achieved.

    The Hero Challenges in Heart of Thorns are like fighting a bounty, I wouldn't recommend doing them alone. Most of the will require 5 or more, such as Suspicious Orichalcum in Auric Basin. Have seen that one oneshot a whole party.

    I've used the chat in Map, people are very friendly and there's always a nice reward for everyone. Even if you've already taken that Hero Point before, you'll get the experience and some gold.
    Doing Map Completion has helped me a lot, finding the Mastery Insights and then doing the story will also give some points.

    I would also recommend you to press H and select the Achievements tab. Look for the map where you are located and find out which achievements gives you a Mastery Point.

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2021

    @Mauzi.5892 said:
    I don't know man... HP trains are not really the answer. My first experience was horrible.
    Hot maps were new to me. I had no waypoints, no mounts and only basic gliding. I couldn't keep up and it was just stressful.
    Of course now with full map completion and skyscale and the knowledge I aquired, it's no problem at all. Sadly I don't even bother doing them anymore and when I do map completion, I can usually solo all HPs.

    What I'm saying is, yes, HP trains ARE an option, but considering his current level in the game maybe not the best one.
    As others have said, WvW is very good. Especially if you are still low ranked, since you get the first few ranks very fast.

    What I did, when I needed Hero Points for my elite spec was going around all Hot and PoF maps and just doing the ones you have to channel. You only need 25 of them, since every HP gives you 10 points.

    For what it's worth: I just did HoT map completion and almost all HPs solo with my scrapper. Not underpowered and you certainly don't die very fast, at all.

    The HP trains I joined usually required basic mastery in gliding and basic mastery in mushrooms. Often also raptor. That is all.
    They don't require any waypoints and unlock them as they go. Often they will also do some hard vistas and mastery points so I would recommend them to all beginners, especially the Tangled depths map as it will help you get familiar with the map.
    Anyway ask what is required but on EU HP trains are usually for complete Hot begginers.

    A sidenote: Skyscale made HP trains worse. All those flapping wings made it hard to see where the comm is going and are just ugly. Gliders are much better looking than all those ugly Skyscales.

  • @Mauzi.5892 said:
    I don't know man... HP trains are not really the answer. My first experience was horrible.
    Hot maps were new to me. I had no waypoints, no mounts and only basic gliding. I couldn't keep up and it was just stressful.
    Of course now with full map completion and skyscale and the knowledge I aquired, it's no problem at all. Sadly I don't even bother doing them anymore and when I do map completion, I can usually solo all HPs.

    What I'm saying is, yes, HP trains ARE an option, but considering his current level in the game maybe not the best one.

    Yes, some HP trains are all about getting it done fast as possible. This benefits experienced players creating the their zillionth alt character; but, the side effect is that stragglers, those who get lost, or those who die are left behind. Some other HP trains are slower, and the commander will wait for stragglers or even go back to help them. It results in a slower train, but is much better for those who are newer. The problem is that the listing in LFG often won't tell you which style of HP train it is; so, you may want to join and ask the commander how they handle stragglers/newbies.

  • Steve The Cynic.3217Steve The Cynic.3217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2021

    @BunjiKugashira.9754 said:
    The bad news is that you can't reset hero points. The good news is that there are more than enough hero points to fully unlock both holosmith and scrapper on your engineer. As the others have said, there are sometimes hero point trains that take you to the various hero points, especially in HoT where the hero point challenges are designed to be completed by a group and not by a single individual. There aren't that many hero point trains in PoF because the hero points are much easier to solo.

    My most-trained character, created on Early Start Launch Day, has all current Guardian specialisations trained, including Dragonhunter and Firebrand, and she still has 270 unspent hero points.

    EDIT: and the maps say that she could train another 130 points if I wanted to bother.

    @Biff.5312 said:
    Exercise your whimsy.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There are over 900 HPs available but you only need 250 per elite spec so that leaves plenty of wiggle room. The main issue is that a big chunk of those is from the core maps so you need to get them one at a time instead of 10.

    Some of the HoT HPs are a bit more challenging but most do not require more than 2 or 3. Doing them with an HP train can give an extremely misleading impression of some of them because of the scaling.

  • Anchoku.8142Anchoku.8142 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Like everyone else has said, focus on getting into Hero Point trains but do not fret about missing some points here and there; quantity over quality. You can do full map completion later. It is worth it to patiently scan LFGs.

  • @Anchoku.8142 said:
    Like everyone else has said, focus on getting into Hero Point trains but do not fret about missing some points here and there; quantity over quality. You can do full map completion later. It is worth it to patiently scan LFGs.

    or start your own in LFG.

  • @Local is Lekker.2970 said:
    I played at the start of the covid pandemic, and after a really hard time got my Engineer to 80. I started working on map completion and used the hero points I got to unlock and learn Holo. I started playing again a few days ago and decided to instead go scrapper. That was a huge mistake unfortunately. My engineer is now extremely underpowered that I have finally gotten to the expansions/living world. It is really hard to kill things, and I die very easily, even with Dire equipment.

    To be honest, if there isnt a way to fix this, my alternatives to is delete the character or stop playing again. I hope you can give me a possible solution on how to reset the hero points I have spent somehow.

    You can change back to Holo when you want with no restriction.
    If you need more HP and are on EU, hit me up I'll help.
    Also, Dire are not made for Engi build, they tend to be more power based than condi for open world at least.
    Condi engi need static fight which rarely happen in open.

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I recommend to you this wiki page: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hero_point
    As explained there - it is enough to level to 80 to unlock all the core stuff. The 2 elite specs need 500 more to fully get trained. And if you get every hero point possible in the game there are 404 more than needed to unlock everything.

    Most likely you won't get the ones from WvW and the obelisk shard from home instance. Considering that the ones from HoT/PoF give 10 hero points per hero challenge ... I'd sugget going for them first. PoF everythign was soloable for me. (Recently did it.) But I understand that for new players it can be a bit harder. Still easier to find help in PoF maps than HoT where you need a bigger group for some points. (PoF is also recommended because of the mounts. Unless you are the type of player that wants to play stuff in order of release slowly.)

    I had a harder time with Holosmith in the beginning. (My main is engineer and I understand that leveling core engineere can be a bit boring. I played it back then in 2012/13 and played wrong builds and tried even turrets. :D Soo slow doing damage lol.) Really need to make him focused on dps to kill fast. (To prevent mobs from even damaging you a lot in the first place. That might need good gear as well.) At least that was my recent experience - when I started to like Holo.

    (I played everything in release order. Scrapper first.) Scrapper is naturally more durable I guess. Has different traits and stuff and the skills are nice for soloing certain stuff. (Commune type of Hero challenge where the stealth gyro is fun.)

    Maybe you should focus on getting scrapper unlocked fully for stealth gyro and try that one a bit. Trying to do group stuff (HoT maps have popular meta events where befor or after the meta you migh find players to help with the harder herochallenges there) and then getting a bit better gear.

    Try to look at the builds others recommended but also try to find your own playstyle. If you are not in a hurry and not focused on only 1-2 types of content (rushing for fractals or stuff) try to enjoy different stuff and take it a bit slower. (Story maybe. And Achievements and stuff.)

  • both elite specialisations can be unlocked and you do not need an elite specialisation to do so. So if you dislike scrapper you can ignore it fully and go with a core build to get the hero points for holo.

    There are 1299 heropoints in game. If you have unlocked all for scrapper you used 408 heropints (250 on scrapper and 158 on core). You alleady started on holo, but let's asume you did not. This means you still need 250 more heropoints while there are 891 heropoints in the game.

    The easiest way to get them is to start a heropoint train. But also with a small team it is relativly easy.

    You can start a new character, but keep in mind that you would still like to get all elite specialisations unlocked and possibly more (just to have a headstart for the next elite specialisation). It is perfectly well possible to do this with a core build or a scrapper build. Perhaps look into getting a proper build. As for gear, just get bezerker gear, this goes well with holosmith as well.

  • DoomNexus.5324DoomNexus.5324 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2021

    @Local is Lekker.2970 said:
    I played at the start of the covid pandemic, and after a really hard time got my Engineer to 80. I started working on map completion and used the hero points I got to unlock and learn Holo. I started playing again a few days ago and decided to instead go scrapper. That was a huge mistake unfortunately. My engineer is now extremely underpowered that I have finally gotten to the expansions/living world. It is really hard to kill things, and I die very easily, even with Dire equipment.

    To be honest, if there isnt a way to fix this, my alternatives to is delete the character or stop playing again. I hope you can give me a possible solution on how to reset the hero points I have spent somehow.

    Hero points are not an issue in gw2, there are A LOT more than you will ever need to unlock everything. I have everything unlocked on my main and a couple hundred hero points more. I don't think there's any reason to delete a character other than that you don't want that specific character anymore tbh and replace it with something different.
    I think there's no way of actually resetting your hero points spent tho. A good way to farm more hero points are hero point challenges in HoT or PoF because they immediately give you 10 hp if you complete them. Or you could get testamonies of heroics and unlock the hero points from HoT/PoF challenges via a vendor in WvW.

    If you feel "extremely underpowered" check if your gear is at level 80 and at least exotic (preferably ascended but that's only ~5% improvement so nothing to worry about really. Also add some runes and sigils maybe) and make sure that your build is at least somewhat suited for your weapons, utilities, stats and playstyle. No need to take a trait that reduces cooldowns for pistol skills if you play with rifle for example. Also do all your equip pieces have the same stats (in your case Dire) or do you also have some other stat combos equipped that don't suit your build?
    Because really this should not be an issue, any specialization (even core) should be at least viable in open world content or story. Engineer, Scrapper, Holo,.. doesn't matter, the class should not feel underpowered.

    If everything else is set up correctly you should really look into improving your game knowledge regarding combat, rotations, combo finisher, etc. Look at some open world/fractal/raid builds and read their play guide for damage rotations, survivability, etc. Metabattle has a lot to offer in general and there are also other good websites where specialized builds for fractals or raids are kept up to date.
    Arenanet once published a blog post or something regarding the damage output (I think in raids but don't know anymore) and according to their data the highest performing players had 10 times the damage output compared to the worst perfoming players. I'm just speculating for this but I'd assume that for survivability it's a similar story.